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      Darkmatters' Art Gallery

      Hey all - it's been a while since I posted any art - there was crappy thread detailing my first attempts at learning to use a tablet way back, but I sort of gave up and the tablet sat untouched for about a year, until one day I decided to pick it up and get back to work on digital painting. Meanwhile I had gained some skills at retouching photographs using mostly Lightroom and a little photoshop, and suddenly it occurred to me - since one of my biggest problems with my paintings (both digital and traditional) was color, I ought to be able to use the same technology I had learned and apply it to my paintings - I mean durr! Big forehead slap moment.

      So I busted out the 2 most promising of my old paintings and went to work on them:


      You might remember this one from an earlier incarnation:


      Crick by Darkmatters, on Flickr

      As I said, I was having issues with color - basically my colors were way too saturated and brilliant and they clashed rather badly - no color harmony to be found. I *THOUGHT* I was doing pretty well, but then I looked at a bunch of paintings by Frank Frazetta (who I'm studying as a master of classical figurative art and who I'm attempting to sort of emulate for a while - to stand on the shoulders of the giant of all giants and get a better view of the territory from up there) and his paintings weren't actually anywhere near as intense color-wise as I remembered them being!! And they're often considered to be quite vivid and colorful ~ !!

      But I quickly realized his strategy is to use very desaturated earth tone colors for most of a painting (which looks very Renaissance) and then just use one well-chosen color at greater intensity so it stands out - that way no clashing color disharmony! Brilliant (pun intended)!!

      So that's where I started - I used photoshop to desaturate and bring my stuff down to earth (tones that is - nyuk nyuk!) and get those outrageous colors under control. In fact many painters throughout history are known to start with a monochromatic underpainting in browns in order to work out the value plan - get the lights and darks in the right places first, and then start working in the colors - turns out Master Frazetta does that one too, so who am I to second guess it? This one was already in color, so I just detoxified it a ways and then reworked the background and did a bit of fixing up on the figure - that pose is seriously lame though (it's actually the first thing I drew in a massive impatient rush as soon as I got ahold of my tablet and have been developing it ever since).

      Then there's this one:


      This is the one where I'm reeeaaallly stretching my wings!! As you can see in the montage below, it started from an oil painting I did many years ago that was bad not only in terms of color but also the anatomy was awful!! I'm ashamed now when I look at it - and I'm not entirely sure how I got the proportioning/anatomy so screwed up - even then I actually knew better. I believe I was pretty well flabbergasted by the actually quite difficult pose with all its extreme foreshortening and the upraised arm and strongly compressed elbow joint. These are all high difficulty items - especially for an amateur like me!


      But as you can see from the evolution progression, he shaped up rather nicely. Though there were some pretty weird stages along the way - I only picked a few highlights to show here. Suffice to say - along the way I've learned hella lot about how to use photoshop to reshape and splice things together and do all kinds of plastic surgery! I've literally moved that upraised arm dozens of times, distorted it and stretched it out and pushed parts of it this way and that... in fact it became a lot like working a clay sculpture. I've put a lot of hours into this over the last 3 weeks, and I'm amazed at the progression, in both the painting and in myself as an artist. As Onieronaut mentioned on his art thread the other day, once you really figure out how to use it, photoshop allows you to do far better than you can in traditional media!!

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      Glad you set up an Art Gallery, looking forward to future submissions from you Darkmatters, and yes, Photoshop definitely helps with the quality .

      With your other forms of art (the stopmotion animation and such), it's going to be very interesting.

      *bows down*
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      As Onieronaut mentioned on his art thread the other day, once you really figure out how to use it, photoshop allows you to do far better than you can in traditional media!!
      Great work man, It's obvious that you're getting the knack for it. Gotta disagree with the traditional art thing though, maybe in terms of speed photoshop is more powerful, but they are pretty equal for a skilled artist in terms of quality of work. On top of this working on a physical medium is much more gratifying (If you are trying things like hyper-realism or concept art) and you can actually fit a phenomenal amount of detail into your work which is almost impossible to do on an average 300dpi image. I really like both, in terms of learning curve, photoshop blows real life out of the wind but this really means nothing to someone who really cares about progressing their ability as an artist.

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      Hey Link! Thanks for the encouragement, and for being the first visitor to my gallery!! (And stand up man - nobody bows in here!)

      Dutch - thank you very much!! And don't worry, I'm not giving up on traditional media - I love it too much to do that. I've actually made a pretty substantial breakthrough with oil painting a while back too (just a couple of small sketches, nothing worth posting yet, but I'm getting color and value under control there as well). One thing I plan to do is work out sketches and color comps digitally and then maybe project them onto a canvas and sketch in with charcoal then paint it up in oil. Best of both worlds!

      Hey, do you have any of your work online anywhere? I didn't realize you're an artist.
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      Progress from today:


      Bemused by Darkmatters, on Flickr

      I'm definitely getting better and faster. This is really getting fun!

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      Duuuuude! You're getting really good at this! I started learning the same thing about 5 years ago but I stopped because I started playing music and I had no time left to spare... I'm sad I did though. I never got as far as you but I managed to make a couple simple illustrations.
      This one's based on an Edgar Allan Poe poem called "Ulalume":

      Ulalume_by_Leanbb.jpg

      The only advice I could give you is to work on details so the image doesn't look too digital.

      Big props on anatomy and all that stuff I never learned!!
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      Thank you! Very good job on that illo - you picked a difficult lighting situation and handled it quite well.

      Most artists seem to find several different avenues for the creative energy - I plink around a little in music as well (my latest toy is a native american flute - nice and simple to play, just the way I like it!). So I have no doubt at some point you'll get back to the painting - you're off to a great start already.

      I'll definitely be smoothing things out and blending more and adding some details as I near completion, but I'm not a detail-oriented artist - I'm mostly about simple composition and form and lighting. To me it's important to get those things right first, and then you can move into details etc. Heh, in fact, I'll be adding some fun details a little later today...

      And about anatomy - I'm making my big push to try to finally learn it. In fact that's why I'm doing the 70's style fantasy stuff (partially-clothed muscular figures - what better way to learn anatomy?!) - to me it's classical figure painting that follows an unbroken lineage from the Renaissance and ancient Greece. Figurative art didn't die when modern art hit the scene as everybody said it did - it just moved over to illustration at the hands of artists like Howard Pyle and NC Wyeth (in fact I'd argue that the Fine Art World became a bit mentally disturbed and lost sight of its own core themes).

      Pretty soon I want to do some posts about the importance of practicing the basics and about my secret for anatomy - alongside photoshop and my tablet this has revolutionized my work and finally let me break through that wall that confined me from painting well for so long.
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      I had never been really aware of the "70's fantasy style" until a Bulgarian friend of mine showed me an art book by an artist called Boris Vallejo. Mind blowing. He has an amazing ability to paint impossibly attractive women.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Dutch - thank you very much!! And don't worry, I'm not giving up on traditional media - I love it too much to do that. I've actually made a pretty substantial breakthrough with oil painting a while back too (just a couple of small sketches, nothing worth posting yet, but I'm getting color and value under control there as well). One thing I plan to do is work out sketches and color comps digitally and then maybe project them onto a canvas and sketch in with charcoal then paint it up in oil. Best of both worlds!

      Hey, do you have any of your work online anywhere? I didn't realize you're an artist.
      yup, working with digital and traditional together works really well. I haven't uploaded any art work on here, I might one of these days. I'm getting quite good at shading and I've been working with a lot of darker shades like 6b and 8b. I do a bit on the computer but it takes quite a lot of time which i don't have.
      I love going through deviant art and seeing what some people have created with photoshop, it's really inspiring. I need to get better because I am currently in a course for game design ( mainly programming) and the art will help me get a job. Concept art is like the second closest thing to lucid dreaming for me

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      Quote Originally Posted by Leanbb View Post
      I had never been really aware of the "70's fantasy style" until a Bulgarian friend of mine showed me an art book by an artist called Boris Vallejo. Mind blowing. He has an amazing ability to paint impossibly attractive women.
      Boris, yeah! Quite a talented artist, as is his wife/model Julie Bell. Personally my favorites are Frank Frazetta (the artist who single-handedly created what I call the 70's fantasy art scene, way back in the 60's actually) and Jeffrey Jones. Their work has more of what I consider a 'painterly' quality to it, less photo-realistic. One thing I dislike about Boris is he puts so much polish into his work - the skin often looks like shiny plastic. Not knocking his skills at all though - he's obviously a master, just placing him according to my own personal likes and dislikes.

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      yup, working with digital and traditional together works really well. I haven't uploaded any art work on here, I might one of these days. I'm getting quite good at shading and I've been working with a lot of darker shades like 6b and 8b. I do a bit on the computer but it takes quite a lot of time which i don't have.
      I love going through deviant art and seeing what some people have created with photoshop, it's really inspiring. I need to get better because I am currently in a course for game design ( mainly programming) and the art will help me get a job. Concept art is like the second closest thing to lucid dreaming for me
      Heh, I became a soft pencil junkie for quite a while! Sometimes delving all the way down to the 9b. Pencil is definitely my best medium, though I do believe photoshop is finally allowing me to work as well in full color. Have you seen Conceptart.org? As far as I'm concerned it's the best online art site with lots of tutorials and workshops as well as portfolios/sketchbooks by some amazing talents as well as beginners and intermediates. I love just going in there and browsing people's sketchbooks or finished works.

      And I totally agree about art being like lucid dreaming - in fact I was going to say the same thing! Normally we see paintings, movies etc - or hear music - but when we actually create art ourselves it's like exerting control and creating a part of a world with characters and a bit of a story. Very much like lucid dreaming, but much slower.
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      Bemused-New by Darkmatters, on Flickr

      I didn't get to the details I mentioned yesterday - got caught up in that damn fish mostly, and now I don't really like it. Aside from looking cut and pasted in thanks to the ragged hard outline, it just doesn't go with the rest of the painting - it looks slick and shiny whereas the rest has a more soft pastel sort of look. I think I might completely re-do the fish.

      But I'm extremely happy with the way I managed to integrate the figure and background. Previously I noticed the figure was brightly lit by a strong sun, while the rest of the picture looks like a dimly lit overcast day with soft diffused lighting coming from the entire sky rather than a single strong source like the sun. I noticed when I would look at the figure my eyes had to re-adjust, and I couldn't see him and the background properly at the same time. But now I've got him, the fish, the spear, and the background all on their own layers and have adjusted lighting levels etc until it all looks much more integrated to me.

      It's probably 3/4 of the way done now. Just got to add a couple of details in the background and work on the creek banks a bit and then start on final cleanup and finishing touches. I must say overall I'm really happy with this one (got to do something about that fish though).

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      Developed it some more. Wow, what's with me and expanding canvases all the time? They start all simple and keep growing...


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      Wait wat!!?

      I just noticed a lot of similarities between my painting and my signature pic, starting with the red fish, in the same placement and basic position as the red-robed man. Then my barbarian fisherman is in the same spot basically as the tree. There's going to be a small fire burning cheerily just inside the grotto, pretty much where the sun is. And a blue wedge of sky showing beyond a strong diagonal edge in almost the same spot in both. Mine is a dirt bluff as opposed to the dome of the heavens, but compositionally they're essentially the same. Weird - was I subconsciously influenced by that image? Expanding the canvas even makes it more similar in shape...

      ** Edit

      And his head and one hand are emerging through that diagonal...

      oh crap!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Wait wat!!?

      I just noticed a lot of similarities between my painting and my signature pic, starting with the red fish, in the same placement and basic position as the red-robed man. Then my barbarian fisherman is in the same spot basically as the tree. There's going to be a small fire burning cheerily just inside the grotto, pretty much where the sun is. And a blue wedge of sky showing beyond a strong diagonal edge in almost the same spot in both. Mine is a dirt bluff as opposed to the dome of the heavens, but compositionally they're essentially the same. Weird - was I subconsciously influenced by that image? Expanding the canvas even makes it more similar in shape...

      ** Edit

      And his head and one hand are emerging through that diagonal...

      oh crap!
      dat shit cray
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      Dirt



      I'm finding it very difficult to paint dirt. Left to my own devices I'll just scribble randomly all over and hope it starts to look good. It took a real effort to stop and make some hard decisions about forms and planes and light. Even then I started out rather randomly - I find I tend to make a lot of very similar shapes repeating all over without realizing it, but when I see it I change a few of them and pretty soon it's starting to look fairly decent. I'm finally getting it to a stage where I've eliminated most of the weird marks that look totally wrong and I'm starting to be able to see some forms there that actually react properly to the lighting.

      This is an excellent education in major and minor forms and planes facing the light versus planes facing away from it. And this is pretty much all defining form is after all - pretty simple stuff really. Why is it so hard to make myself do it this way? Why do old habits from a time before I understood the depiction of form want to take over on stuff like dirt? Ah well - I do seem to be replacing those old bad art habits with some better ones.

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      Looking great, man! I'm going to enjoy watching you progress through your digital art.

      Also, I REALLY like the archer! Just such a great pose and color scheme. Can't wait to see what it looks like when you finish!
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      Dirt v2.0



      Thanks O! It really means a lot knowing you're watching over my shoulder. It's cool that we both seem to be advancing rapidly thanks to tablets and photoshop.

      Decided to reeeally simplify the major planes. I'm liking the new look - more like smooth packed clay rather than loose crumbly clods. I suspect painting this bluff is developing my skills considerably for visualizing and rendering form.

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      Weird, it seems that dirt is the only thing I'm able to draw well.

      Or maybe it's just that everything I draw resembles dirt.

      ...huh.

      Anyway, I'm also really enjoying watching your progress. My older brother has artistic inclinations, so it kinda reminds me of when I used to sit in the basement and watch him draw / run little errands for him back when we were kids... Dem feels
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      It's nice to see this progress. Rare that I can look at a work of art and feel as though I'm there. Looking at this makes me feel like its a dream you had, and I'm sharing it. I like that it's not overcomplicated but is impressionistic.

      Really solid
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      Wow SnowyCat and bro, I honestly think those are the coolest things anybody has said about my art!! Many thanks guys - I feel like I have a couple of new bros!

      Little progress:
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      Spent all day re-working the pose and proportions:



      Lookin all like a swashbuckler an shit..

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      Very nice!
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      Working up the 2nd figure - the process

      This one's for the other art students to geek out to and see how I approach the process:



      Now I knew where I wanted to put him and decided he'd be crouching rather than sitting - I want him to look active and athletic. So I deleted the colorforms layer and roughed in a sketch. It's still tentative at this point - I'm trying it out and seeing what needs changing.



      Here I had flattened the sketch and the grey blob layer and just started painting right onto it. That's necessary before you can start cutting it up and moving parts around.







      Wow, that white was hurting my eyes! A neutral color is so much nicer to work over. It's a separate layer that'll be deleted once it's served it's purpose.







      Most of the re-adjustments were done using photoshop's Free Transform and Distort tools.

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      Face takes shape



      It took me a long time to decide what I wanted his face and hair to look like. I went through a lot of people that might serve as inspiration, and strangely enough, I ended up with a young Roman Polanski. Surprised the hell out of me, but somehow it works. Using a simple 3 tone system, mid, light, and dark to define the big forms of the head and face. And yeah, now that I've posted it I can see the nose is a bit too long, it's crowding the mouth down onto his chin..

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      Big Art Dump

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