Thread: Reaching Alpha State - Jose Silva mind control

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Hate to burst your bubble here, but...

The Silva Method (formerly Silva Mind Control) is a self-help program which claims to teach one how to increase one's IQ, develop clairvoyance and use the mind to heal the body and find God, among other things. The program promises to teach you to "use the untapped power of your mind to accomplish whatever you desire."* The program is a hodgepodge put together by trial and error by José Silva (1914-1999), an electronic repairman who had a voracious appetite for literature in psychology, parapsychology, and religion. He studied hypnosis, hoping to use it to increase the IQ of his children, but became interested in developing psychic abilities after he became convinced that one of his daughters was clairvoyant.

Silva seems to have based his notions about the split-brain on the work of Roger Sperry and his colleagues. Silva, like many others who latched onto this split-brain model, seems to have modified it to his own purposes and beliefs. Much work has been done on the brain since Sperry. Without putting too fine a point on it, nearly everything Silva said about the brain is wrong. For a more accurate picture of what scientists think about this split-brain distinction see "Left Brain Right Brain" by John McCrone (New Scientist, July 3, 1999). The truth is that nobody thinks or acts only with their left hemisphere unless the right one is damaged or gone. In any case, it seems that Silva latched onto the split-brain theory after he had developed his subjective education program.

It is his claim that he found a gateway to the subconscious, the psychic and to a "higher intelligence" (which he also refers to as "Christ consciousness") that sets the Silva Method apart from other self-help programs such as Landmark Forum or Neuro-linguistic Programming. The claim to be teaching a way to get connected to that "higher intelligence" is what led some critics to think that the method is actually a religious movement.

I highly encourage you to read the rest of article. Silva Method - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Just because it's in a book, doesn't mean the person writing it is a professional.

As for Neuo Programmer, I'll quote one of my own posts.

I'm not going to straight out call binaural beats a scam, but I must admit the evidence is shaky. They work in theory and there have been some studies which have shown some mild effects, however they are FAR from the hype.

A large industry has popped up to market binaural beats as a product. They essentially do nothing more than clamor together a binaural beat (a ridiculously simple sound file) and mix in some cheap ambient sounds or psychedelic music (which in reality reduces the beats' effectiveness). Their websites gloat the "miracle" effects of their files and then sell them marked up at ridiculous prices. They don't even bother to provide the slightest hint of technical information on the types of beats they're using which honestly leads me to believe they have no idea. Even if binaural themselves are not a scam these websites most certainly are.

If you are interested in experimenting further with binaural beats I highly suggest you continue and publish your findings (in an objective, double-blind fashion). However please produce your binaurals with free software such as Brain Wave Generator or Audacity, or find the files from free videos online.

Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

hey everyone

recently iv been reading the "Silva mind control" book and have been attemting to reach an alpha state of mind, using relaxation methods and mental imaging and etc and im hoping there are people out there that know what im talking about or have read the book and are good at reaching the alpha state. The techniques are also useful for WILD.

so first of all how do you know you have reached the alpha state?

Second of all what is the key to reaching alpha state?

your supposed to sit/lie down in a comfortable position, close your eyes and roll them slightly up, but when i roll my eyes slightly up after few seconds they try to open themself.

eventually i feel very relaxed and i can feel little bit of energy flowing through my body and my fingers and some body parts keep twitching by themself.

so hopefully someone exprienced can read this and point me to the right direction

thanks

From what I've read and researched, the alpha state is either that point where your mind starts to wander, or the point where you start losing senses in your hands, arms, etc.

I don't know man. I'm probably just a noob that doesn't know anything, but some of this stuff seems like it could turn out... badly. I talked to one guy that used to be into OBE's but he stopped because he encountered something that he felt hated him and caused him to experience primal fear.

Originally Posted by Bennylava

I don't know man. I'm probably just a noob that doesn't know anything, but some of this stuff seems like it could turn out... badly. I talked to one guy that used to be into OBE's but he stopped because he encountered something that he felt hated him and caused him to experience primal fear.

*banging head against wall*

yeah um. if you do reach alpha waves in meditation or during relaxation before bed. it helps immensely with dream recall, ability to have a WILD, and overall ability to have a lucid dream in general. plus you just feel good from relaxing and clearing your mind. as for this "silva mind control" thing... i've never heard of it and after reading the thread may look into just for a read but i don't think its something i would take seriously.

and you answered your own question. to reach alpha state:

lie down.
have a blanket over your body, arms out.
close your eyes and look up a little bit (i know what you mean by your eyes wanting to open. just ignore it and keep going)
RELAX. (sometimes it helps to relax each part of the body separately... start with the hands.. then relax forearms.. upper arms.. shoulders. etc.)
begin a circular breathing pattern... breathe in (into the abdomen) for 3 or 4 counts and breath out (with your chest) for 3 or 4 counts.
continue to relax. look beyond your eyelids into the blackness that should be a few inches to a foot in front of you. your eyes may feel like they are crossed. this is ok.
eventually you will start to feel vibrations running up and down your body. you may get goosebumps and your hairs will stand on end with the vibrations. they will continue to get more intense the more you relax and breathe.
this is alpha state.

good luck, i hope this helps.

You reach alpha waves by daydreaming... the alpha state is where you no longer think about what you are seeing and your visual cortex turns off...and seconds later you realize "Wait...was I blind those seconds? My eyes seemed to turn off!" that is the alpha state.

For the binaural beats thing, just go get Audacity and create a 300 Hz sine wave and then mix it with a 300 + N wave, where N is the frequency you are aiming for. Paying for binaural beats is as ridiculous as paying for white noise.

@opalwolf: the state you describing is the THETA state. The alpha state belongs quite distinctly to wakefulness and you sometimes enter it while walking!

@ludr ok.. haha sorry i thought that was it but wasn't sure. couldn't find anything when i tried to look it up. THETA state represent!!

either way, doing that exercise should help with dream recall, lucidity, general awareness, etc..

Doing that will probably result in a WILD

I read it in a book a long time ago. Those are their first steps towards an OBE, but yes.. it has actually resulted in a WILD for me.

An OBE is a WINLD: Wake-Initiated Non-Lucid Dream. Like a WILD, you seemingly end up in your own bedroom, but instead of doing a RC and going lucid, you suddenly think you are "out of body". There's nothing metaphysical or mysterious with OBEs; they are just what happen when you fail to do a reality check. Since you think that you really are out-of-body, your subconscious creates the feeling that you are floating without hands and feet or a body. This intensifies the experience, but it is still, umm, a dream. Have you tried to move an object while out-of-body using telekinesis and then waking up to check? I did, and discovered that nothing happened!

Originally Posted by ludr

An OBE is a WINLD: Wake-Initiated Non-Lucid Dream. Like a WILD, you seemingly end up in your own bedroom, but instead of doing a RC and going lucid, you suddenly think you are "out of body". There's nothing metaphysical or mysterious with OBEs; they are just what happen when you fail to do a reality check. Since you think that you really are out-of-body, your subconscious creates the feeling that you are floating without hands and feet or a body. This intensifies the experience, but it is still, umm, a dream. Have you tried to move an object while out-of-body using telekinesis and then waking up to check? I did, and discovered that nothing happened!

Some people do believe in obe's. (not what you described).

Your not going to convince someone who believes in them that they are fake. And you are in no position to.

Maybe what you had was just a dream. And maybe other people actually HAVE had obe's. You don't know. Just like I don't know.

FYI WINLD is not a real term. You made that up.

I am writing a research paper on OBEs and paranormal phenomena. Stay tuned...

And did you know about Stephen LaBerge's research into OBEs?

my OBE experience is vastly different from what you described. not trying to start an argument here. but it was very undreamlike, and i knew i was outside of myself the first time it happened. the second time it happened, was more like what you described. i thought i was awake, but later realized i couldn'y physically touch anything i was jolted back into my body.
i'd like to read your paper, sounds interesting. and will look into stephen laberge. (name sounds familiar, maybe i've read some of his research before.)

My OBEs really do FEEL extremely out-of-body and undreamlike. It was really like...um...seperating from the body. However, a scientist stays objective. I stayed in the OBE for pretty long, so I kind of cleaned up my room with TK. What I said is that in OBEs you are not in the real physical world. This means that you are in the unreal mental world - of dreams. Don't talk of the astral plane or anything - if the astral plane is unrelated to what happens in the real world, the astral plane is just a dream.

ah.. i see what you mean now. my OBE experience is similar then. except i had no telekinetic power... or at least didn't try. if it happens again perhaps i will remember to try that.

Originally Posted by ludr

so I kind of cleaned up my room with TK

Which if you didn't catch my meanining, didnt work. The room was still messy when I woke up.

Originally Posted by ludr

Which if you didn't catch my meanining, didnt work. The room was still messy when I woke up.

Then it was probably just a dream. And not obe.

Has anybody done an OBE that actually did work? We should be running an experiment to have OBE-ers use TK to move objects or whatever leave their mark on the physical world.

I actually believe that OBEs and AP are all mental experiences and dreams. Not to say that an OBE is not intense or realistic, but you are exploring the world already cached in your brain's memory instead of the actual physical world. It is amazing how accurately our brains can recreate our world.

I once read a book, telling a story about a woman who experienced an OBE while in surgery. She floated up a few stories to a rooftop. Up there was a purple shoe. After her surgery she asked if someone could take a look up there, to see if there actually was a purple shoe, because she was sure of it. And, sure enough, a purple shoe.. on the roof.

My mother Also had a breath taking experience during what she called an OBE, that involved finding picture in the attic she hasnt seen in years.

And, the one I had, where I went upstairs in my house, only to notice that my dad was sleeping on the couch. I've Never seen my dad sleep anywhere but his bed at night. When I woke up in the morning, dads blankets were on the couch. He was in the bathroom getting ready for work. Asked my mom if dad slept on the couch.. dad slept on the couch.

I believe greatly in OBE's they feel incredibly different than WILD's in my opinion. I dont believe they are just 'dreams'

Originally Posted by ludr

Has anybody done an OBE that actually did work? We should be running an experiment to have OBE-ers use TK to move objects or whatever leave their mark on the physical world.

I actually believe that OBEs and AP are all mental experiences and dreams. Not to say that an OBE is not intense or realistic, but you are exploring the world already cached in your brain's memory instead of the actual physical world. It is amazing how accurately our brains can recreate our world.

Dreams can be just as realistic as waking life. But that does not mean that Its an obe. An obe is where you can see wants going on in the real world while out of your body.

And what's your deal with tk? Obviously the paper you are writing about obe's will suck because most people have no influence over the real world while astral projecting.

My paper isn't finished. If AP-ers and OBE-ers are actually floating in the real world, they should be able to see changes in the real world. And not some "5% better than random guessing" BS - real OBEs should get all details of the outside world correctly. As I have said, I am planning on doing a test using a computer and a random number generator that generates a new number from 1 to 50 every twenty minutes. The OBE-er should go look at the number and say what it is.

Sometimes your imaginative subconscious by chance does it correctly. People end to forget the thousands of OBEs that turned out to be false. For example, I once had an OBE in which the clock was accurate to the minute and exactly the same time that it was when I woke up. This is not impossible for a dream because your brain can extrapolate the time flow of the clock and make the right time. However it is not predictable when you do not do a WBTB or WILD to enter an OBE. In an OBE not specifically cultivated using WILD techniques I found that the clock read a wrong time (27:99) and went backwards.

Back to my experiment, I will soon post a copy of my tester program and a summary of experiment procedures. Please post your results honestly and don't fabricate just to bash up or support OBE theories.

Originally Posted by ludr

I am writing a research paper on OBEs and paranormal phenomena. Stay tuned...

And did you know about Stephen LaBerge's research into OBEs?

Read Tom Campbell's book, My Big TOE. It's the absolute best thing you can have for a research paper like that. It WILL blow your mind. It explains reality in a new way without being new-agey or full of speculation. You can PM me about it if you want and I'll give you information on where to buy the book.

Ahh...that book. Yep it is not that new-agey, but is still far from rigourous scientific-method research. By research paper I mean doing research myself, not compiling reference work like Britannica or Wikipedia.