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      Easy way to transition from physical world to dream world

      I wanted to get some feedback as to a good way to transition from the physical real world, to the dream world. Usually while Im doing my WILD after my WBTB, I have a hard time transitioning. I lie in my bed daydreaming of what I would like my setting to be, so say for example I think about walking around a city and use my senses. I feel like I can't move, so Im definitely in sleep paralysis, but I just cant seem to transition to the dream world. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this?

      Anyone have an idea of just how to slip into the dream world while doing a WILD?
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      The DEILD technique is probably the best way to "slip" into a dream.

      Look it up!

      Here is a description of how the transition feels like for me when doing the DEILD:

      Beeeep Beeeeep! (Autosnooze and the alarm shuts down itself)
      "Mhhfmm ok I am awake let's lay still and keep my eyes closed"
      Then I basically enter a dreamlike state, it's a strange feeling, you think more vivdly and your awareness feels different.
      I can from here either imagine doing something like holding an Iphone until I feel it for real, or I can just let my mind wander and see where it takes me.
      Which I usually do because in this state of mind and in this moment it feels natural and the most desirable thing to do, however when I wake up I am like "Dam* why didn't I thought of flying on a dragon or something... )

      But instructions of how to do the DEILD in a simple way is:

      1. Set an alarm clock to wake you up 5-6 hours after your bedtime (preferable an alarm that wakes you up and autosnooze)
      2. When the alarm wakes you up, lay still and keep your eyes closed.
      3. If your mind feels different you know you have already succeded, but if you don't feel a different kind of awareness just imagine doing something.
      4. <- THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP: If you succeed with having a lucid dream, don't automatically assume that you know how to do it and that this method will work 100%, appreciate the experience. And if you fail don't automatically assume that the method doesn't work, just try it again another night without judging yourself or the experience.

      The only downside with this method is that after some time your body gets used to the alarm, atleast that is what happened to me, and now the alarm didn't wake me up . So I kind of view this method as some easy way to attain a lucid dream once in a while.

      I hope this helps. Good luck and sweet dreams!
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      Same here with sleeping through the alarms.. but it does work.

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      I have yet to fall back into a (lucid) dream after an alarm set for that purpose. Alarms usually startle me fully awake and I move suddenly
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      OP

      I saw that you have had some LD's already and some successful WILDs.
      Can you describe those successful WILDs with as much detail as possible?
      Did you use wbtb? What time? How did you transitioned in those moments?
      Also were there any common locations in your LDs?

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      ^ ditto

      Quote Originally Posted by Limbology View Post
      I lie in my bed daydreaming of what I would like my setting to be, so say for example I think about walking around a city and use my senses. I feel like I can't move, so Im definitely in sleep paralysis, but I just cant seem to transition to the dream world. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this?
      When is this? (time of the day) Are you preparing for a nap, all night sleep or is it early in the morning?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Oakoi View Post
      OP

      I saw that you have had some LD's already and some successful WILDs.
      Can you describe those successful WILDs with as much detail as possible?
      Did you use wbtb? What time? How did you transitioned in those moments?
      Also were there any common locations in your LDs?
      Yes it was with a WBTB. Id say around 5 hours after I fell asleep. Once my alarm woke me up, I got some water and layed back down and started to let my mind wander. I fell asleep without realizing I was in a dream, and I guess I just became lucid through a DILD using a WILD method I guess. As for the locations I was in, I'm usually at a beach in or in my house/in my neighborhood. I went to bed around 10pm and woke up around 4:15ish with an alarm clock, which doesnt have autosnooze btw so I was wondering what app or clock you guys use that has autosnooze on it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
      The DEILD technique is probably the best way to "slip" into a dream.

      Look it up!

      Here is a description of how the transition feels like for me when doing the DEILD:

      Beeeep Beeeeep! (Autosnooze and the alarm shuts down itself)
      "Mhhfmm ok I am awake let's lay still and keep my eyes closed"
      Then I basically enter a dreamlike state, it's a strange feeling, you think more vivdly and your awareness feels different.
      I can from here either imagine doing something like holding an Iphone until I feel it for real, or I can just let my mind wander and see where it takes me.
      Which I usually do because in this state of mind and in this moment it feels natural and the most desirable thing to do, however when I wake up I am like "Dam* why didn't I thought of flying on a dragon or something... )

      But instructions of how to do the DEILD in a simple way is:

      1. Set an alarm clock to wake you up 5-6 hours after your bedtime (preferable an alarm that wakes you up and autosnooze)
      2. When the alarm wakes you up, lay still and keep your eyes closed.
      3. If your mind feels different you know you have already succeded, but if you don't feel a different kind of awareness just imagine doing something.
      4. <- THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP: If you succeed with having a lucid dream, don't automatically assume that you know how to do it and that this method will work 100%, appreciate the experience. And if you fail don't automatically assume that the method doesn't work, just try it again another night without judging yourself or the experience.

      The only downside with this method is that after some time your body gets used to the alarm, atleast that is what happened to me, and now the alarm didn't wake me up . So I kind of view this method as some easy way to attain a lucid dream once in a while.

      I hope this helps. Good luck and sweet dreams!

      I replied to the other poster's post answering his questions if you care to look. And along with what I asked him, do you have a specific clock or app that has the autosnooze ability on it? Id like to know what you use.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Limbology View Post
      I replied to the other poster's post answering his questions if you care to look. And along with what I asked him, do you have a specific clock or app that has the autosnooze ability on it? Id like to know what you use.
      I have for I-Phone: Alarm Clock Bud Pro
      Check out this: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.
      I've been haunting it over it's last pages, and also got the tip for the app there - it's not so easy to find the right clock.
      Happy dreamings!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Limbology View Post
      Anyone have an idea of just how to slip into the dream world while doing a WILD?
      I have done this in my first WILDs. When i started to feel the vibrations on my body and the buzz sound, i watched the blackness. Sometimes there's a point of light and i focused on this point. If you stay calm, this point of light begins to turn into an object, then several objects, then a whole scenario.
      Most of my points of lights turns into a cartoon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Limbology View Post
      I replied to the other poster's post answering his questions if you care to look. And along with what I asked him, do you have a specific clock or app that has the autosnooze ability on it? Id like to know what you use.
      Here ya go!

      10 Best Apps for Auto Snooze (iPhone/iPad) | AppCrawlr

      I use the "12, 24 Alarm Clock Sleep Music" because I like that app the most and I can choose customised sounds to use as my alarm.

      Above I described the basic DEILD, but if you are up for it, I really suggest trying this advanced (brutal) DEILD method.

      The Timer Method:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqu...E88DE0B45599E3

      That crazy setup have made me lucid many times, but it is just like I described above not something that works consistently, but it's fun to do when you got the time.
      Also note that I don't support the "science" behind the method explained in the video. My most simple explanation to why it works is REM deprivation. Which is better explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5RklUkGeOI

      Therefore do not mind his 8 Steps, just set your alarm to wake you up with the timer ramp.
      Simple right? All you have to do is to set the timer and only remember to fall asleep on each awakening, the rest is automatic!
      And you don't even need a WBTB, because the point with the WBTB is to wake up and stay up in order to REM-deprivive yourself, but with the timer you do that by waking up multiple times instead.

      Basically the timer method is like a WBTBs positive (and negative effects) amplified 5 times!

      Positive: REM-deprivation -> Fast re-entry to the dreamstate
      Negative: Sleep-deprivation -> Very tired the rest of the day.. Possibly Headaches..

      Have fun!
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      Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
      Here ya go!

      10 Best Apps for Auto Snooze (iPhone/iPad) | AppCrawlr

      I use the "12, 24 Alarm Clock Sleep Music" because I like that app the most and I can choose customised sounds to use as my alarm.

      Above I described the basic DEILD, but if you are up for it, I really suggest trying this advanced (brutal) DEILD method.

      The Timer Method:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqu...E88DE0B45599E3

      That crazy setup have made me lucid many times, but it is just like I described above not something that works consistently, but it's fun to do when you got the time.
      Also note that I don't support the "science" behind the method explained in the video. My most simple explanation to why it works is REM deprivation. Which is better explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5RklUkGeOI

      Therefore do not mind his 8 Steps, just set your alarm to wake you up with the timer ramp.
      Simple right? All you have to do is to set the timer and only remember to fall asleep on each awakening, the rest is automatic!
      And you don't even need a WBTB, because the point with the WBTB is to wake up and stay up in order to REM-deprivive yourself, but with the timer you do that by waking up multiple times instead.

      Basically the timer method is like a WBTBs positive (and negative effects) amplified 5 times!

      Positive: REM-deprivation -> Fast re-entry to the dreamstate
      Negative: Sleep-deprivation -> Very tired the rest of the day.. Possibly Headaches..

      Have fun!
      Thanks bro! This is actually a really good reply and I greatly appreciate it! I'll give it a try tonight and post my results on this thread in the morning.
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      Also MasterMind, what are the time intervals on which I should set the ramping for the alarms?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
      The DEILD technique is probably the best way to "slip" into a dream.

      Look it up!

      Here is a description of how the transition feels like for me when doing the DEILD:

      Beeeep Beeeeep! (Autosnooze and the alarm shuts down itself)
      "Mhhfmm ok I am awake let's lay still and keep my eyes closed"
      Then I basically enter a dreamlike state, it's a strange feeling, you think more vivdly and your awareness feels different.
      I can from here either imagine doing something like holding an Iphone until I feel it for real, or I can just let my mind wander and see where it takes me.
      Which I usually do because in this state of mind and in this moment it feels natural and the most desirable thing to do, however when I wake up I am like "Dam* why didn't I thought of flying on a dragon or something... )

      But instructions of how to do the DEILD in a simple way is:

      1. Set an alarm clock to wake you up 5-6 hours after your bedtime (preferable an alarm that wakes you up and autosnooze)
      2. When the alarm wakes you up, lay still and keep your eyes closed.
      3. If your mind feels different you know you have already succeded, but if you don't feel a different kind of awareness just imagine doing something.
      4. <- THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP: If you succeed with having a lucid dream, don't automatically assume that you know how to do it and that this method will work 100%, appreciate the experience. And if you fail don't automatically assume that the method doesn't work, just try it again another night without judging yourself or the experience.

      The only downside with this method is that after some time your body gets used to the alarm, atleast that is what happened to me, and now the alarm didn't wake me up . So I kind of view this method as some easy way to attain a lucid dream once in a while.

      I hope this helps. Good luck and sweet dreams!
      know any apps on android that have auto turnoff alarms

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      Quote Originally Posted by ageofthunder View Post
      know any apps on android that have auto turnoff alarms
      25+ Top Apps for Auto Snooze (android) | AppCrawlr

      I just found this after a quick google search. All of them looks good, but I suggest that you check out the free ones first. And choose an app that lets you enable multiple alarms.

      Quote Originally Posted by Limbology View Post
      Also MasterMind, what are the time intervals on which I should set the ramping for the alarms?
      Whatever works actually, the idea really is to just fall asleep and wake up in a short period of time multiple times. I have tried the so called "ramp"
      which is 8 min, 4 min, 8 min, 12 min, 16 min, 20 min, 20 min. But I have also tried the extreme version of 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min.
      As long as you can fall asleep quickly after each alarm it's ok. Experiment and see what suits you, and try different combinations of your own as well.

      Good luck!

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      I've been using Gentle Alarm for quite a long time, because most alarms startle me when I wake up. It's great because you can have different profiles (right now I have the regular one I use in the mornings, one for WBTBs and one for DEILDs) and each can have its sound, volume, fade-in time, duration... and then you can set as many alarms as you like with the profile of your choice. The only problem is that the free version won't play any alarms on Wednesdays. I purchased it because it wasn't expensive and it's proved to be a worthy investment.

      But regardless. I have one question. How long is adviseable for the alarm to sound before it auto-snoozes? A few seconds, as if it were a DEILD?
      "If you must sleep a third of your life, why should you sleep through your dreams?"

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      Quote Originally Posted by martakartus View Post
      I've been using Gentle Alarm for quite a long time, because most alarms startle me when I wake up. It's great because you can have different profiles (right now I have the regular one I use in the mornings, one for WBTBs and one for DEILDs) and each can have its sound, volume, fade-in time, duration... and then you can set as many alarms as you like with the profile of your choice. The only problem is that the free version won't play any alarms on Wednesdays. I purchased it because it wasn't expensive and it's proved to be a worthy investment.

      But regardless. I have one question. How long is adviseable for the alarm to sound before it auto-snoozes? A few seconds, as if it were a DEILD?
      It depends on what alarm sound you use, what volume you have and how easily you wake up.

      But it really comes down to individuality and you have to test and experiment for yourself.

      I use a medium volume 15 second long audioclip from the song Paradise by Coldplay as my first alarm, and then I have a normal alarm clock sound (not too high) I don't want to get too startled, this usually last for about 20 seconds.

      But as I said experiment!

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      Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
      It depends on what alarm sound you use, what volume you have and how easily you wake up.

      But it really comes down to individuality and you have to test and experiment for yourself.

      I use a medium volume 15 second long audioclip from the song Paradise by Coldplay as my first alarm, and then I have a normal alarm clock sound (not too high) I don't want to get too startled, this usually last for about 20 seconds.

      But as I said experiment!
      For better or worse, I'm a light sleeper. In the mornings I have a "rowing boat" sound, so it's super gentle, I have it at a very low volume, and I always shut it off in 20-30 seconds (it has a 1.5 min fade-in, so it starts silent and it increases volume, but with me it never reaches the maximum ). So basically it takes me close to nothing to wake up and any sound startles me. On the good side, this prevents me from oversleeping.

      So I guess a short alarm would work for me. I will totally try this when I'm not going to the uni
      "If you must sleep a third of your life, why should you sleep through your dreams?"

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      Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
      25+ Top Apps for Auto Snooze (android) | AppCrawlr

      I just found this after a quick google search. All of them looks good, but I suggest that you check out the free ones first. And choose an app that lets you enable multiple alarms.



      Whatever works actually, the idea really is to just fall asleep and wake up in a short period of time multiple times. I have tried the so called "ramp"
      which is 8 min, 4 min, 8 min, 12 min, 16 min, 20 min, 20 min. But I have also tried the extreme version of 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min, 2 min.
      As long as you can fall asleep quickly after each alarm it's ok. Experiment and see what suits you, and try different combinations of your own as well.

      Good luck!
      And one more thing, sorry haha. But would you recommend doing this right before bed or with a WBTB? Thanks for the awesome imput too.

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