Thread: Surfing The Wave Between Asleep And Awake.

Thanks for sharing that. I'll have to give it a try sometime. What sort of success rate are you getting from this?

Yeah mate I hope it works for you.

You watching the Ashes?


I've been able to get Lucid using this every time I try for about the last 2 years.
There might be the odd occasion where it fails but it's literally once in a blue moon, I can really guarantee I'll get at least one Lucid from it every morning I try.

A couple of good things about this technique are 1, you don't need to know when your REM is as you'll just find by drifting on and off and 2, because you're in such a light state you can easily accidentally WILD from it as well, giving you two different ways to get in.

I know the tips are simple, wake yourself completely up, lye on your back and repeat a mantra but it's the simple things that make a world of difference.
I mean, had nobody ever heard of the five finger reality check and someone came in here saying "yeah just look at your hand and count you've got five fingers, that'll get you Lucid"
People would think there's no way lol, and yet it's now a corner stone of Reality Checking.

Hi MrOBlonde,
Thanks for sharing this.
I like to hear about anything that gives a high success rate for people.
The issue is, how long did you have to try this untill your success rate became solid.
I mean, the classic MILD is also reputed to have a high success rate, PROVIDED you stick with it for one-two months....and I am always prone to changing techniques...

Hey Searcher,


Yeah I was using MILD for a while and it was giving me a nice bit of success but it was a little hit and miss.
I'd get Lucid maybe, 3 or 4 nights in a row but then not for 2 or 3 nights, I couldn't bank on them and every time I thought I'd cracked it, I'd not get Lucid again for a few days.

I soon figured out that the times I wasn't getting Lucid were the times where, after WBTB when I was doing my "I'll remember the next time I'm Dreaming", I was trying to keep myself awake enough for it to stick as I could feel I'd drift off easily.

The times that I was getting Lucid though was after having to try much harder to fall back to sleep!
So I started making sure I woke myself up fully when doing WBTB and as soon as I started doing that, I started getting into this very light in and out of consciousness state and was getting Lucid every time I tried!


This morning I drifted on and off using this technique 4 times before I hit a REM and got lucid.
Had I not been in this state and just drifted off after WBTB, it would have been a whole hour between my mantra and hitting REM, making it very unlikely the intent would still have been there.
As I was drifting in and out though it was only around 10 minutes or so between my last mantra and REM, making me already Lucid as the Dream formed around me.


That's what makes it so effective and reliable as you're sort of fishing for a REM period and also keeping your intent from your mantra fresh until you hit one.

Try it out mate and let me know how it works for you.

Out of curiosity, what brand of tea do you use? I've gotta have Typhoon, in Norfolk we have really bad hard water so it's the only tea I know that tastes nice.

Also, if you smoke it's good to have a fag (ciggy for those who aren't British) because it helps relax your body, I find it increases my chances of getting Sleep Paralysis by a fair amount.

Obviously it would be idiotic to start smoking just to do this but if you already do it then I'd give it a shot. It aids WBTB quite well.

Another question, when you talk about the "surfing" is that when you feel a rising/euphoric feeling before you start to WILD? I'm wondering as I'll do a WBTB without realizing (light sleeper here) and suddenly I'll feel as if I'm floating or leaving my body. Is this a good sign?

Hi MrOBlonde,
Basically, what your thread reminded me of, is the importance of lying on your back.
It's something I knew but I forgot (not chosen to forget alla inception...).
I am wondering if many of my fails were due to me lying on my side.
As for waking for good at WBTB, that's something I always do.
So, yes, I will try again some techniques of mine (WILD, DEILD etch) while lying only on my back and let you know.
Thanks for reminding me!

Thanks Mr0Blond I really like your post coz i am a newbie but your technique reminds me of what happens to me when I am able to do proper wbtb and lie on back etc - So it gives me more trust in what I am doing

I am still having small adjustmentoes to do with entering the dream so am also interested in your explanation of how it can sometimes be at that point ... This morning for example on one almost entry I was clearly in both worlds and was unable to get fully in to dream although I started to converse with a girl close by when I asked If she could see me - she said yes - I tried to turn my head very gently and at that moment my physical body started to win the race for Lucidity so I awoke in bed...I am happy with progress tho and trust next time i will move closer to my dream body more often

- looks like you have had some experience with this sort of floating in and out etc?

Hi AjnaFX,

I used to drink Lions but mainly Yorkshire tea or sometimes Tetley's now.


When I say surfing I mean, more like on a balance between being asleep and awake, drifting off then coming round again, surfing probably wasn't the best word to describe it.


If you feel like you're floating though while trying to WILD that's a great sign!
Don't you get Lucid after these sensations? If not what happens?

When I WILD I'll get a massive humming noise accompanied by whispering in my ears, I'll then usually feel like I'm flying, end over end up into the air.
I just wait until it stops and feel like I'm lying in bed again (or sometimes under it), then get up and I'm Lucid.



Searcher,

Yeah It is strange that something so simple can make such a huge difference but if I do everything the same but lie on my side, I won't get Lucid half the time.
There's just something about being on my back that's a game changer.



Hey Patience, nice name.

Yeah quite often when I'm seeing the vivid scene but am not really part of it yet, I try to move my fingers but can feel my real fingers moving also.
When that happens I stop right away and just try to keep focus on the scene, then slowly try again after a few moments until it snaps me in.
Once properly snapped in, you won't have to worry about your real body moving so it's just that little hurdle you have to overcome and you'll be laughing.

If you feel you're not completely in the Dream yet, try only moving a small part of yourself first like your fingers or something.
Then if you feel your real ones move it might not pull you completely out like it would say, moving your head or whole arm.


This is also something you could try though....
If the scene goes away after I move my real body, or if I just lose it for some reason I'll stay lying still with my eyes closed, then imagine myself falling (often falling forward onto my face).
Because you're still close to Dreaming, when you imagine falling you can often get a very strong sensation of actually falling for some reason, and it usually sends me straight into the sensations associated with WILD.

I'm pretty sure that the falling thing is some sort of meditation technique I read about once, it's really strong when it happens and is very effective so definitely give it a try.


You sound like you're doing really well already though but if there's anything else I can help with, just let me know.

Cannot go wrong with Yorkshire Tea or Tetley!

Ah, that's the thing. You see whenever I feel this floating sensation I always wake myself up because of the intense fear. But now that I know it's a good sign, I will have to get back to you!

I suppose I'd just experience a series of hypnagogic imagery and my senses will build the dream from there, that's what I've heard performing a wild is like. I've done 'Astral Projection' through Sleep Paralysis many times, and because I'm so used and experienced to sleep paralysis it's always terrifiying.

How important is lying on your back? Also, could you give me some pointers on what I should do once I start seeing images. Like how to build the dream around you and get rooted into the dream?

Cheers mate!!

AjnaFX,


Instead of fearing it just try to get excited about it as you know you're right on the verge of a Lucid Dream.


I only see the Dream forming around me when I MILD or sometimes when I DILD.
When I WILD and go through the flying sensations I just stay with my eyes closed and don't see any hypnagogic images or anything, so don't worry if you don't see anything.


It's only when these sensations stop, after about 30 seconds to a minute or so that I open my eyes and about 99% of the time I'm laying in bed in my bedroom.
If I didn't know any better I'd be sure I'd woken up and the WILD had failed, but now after so many times I just know I'm Lucid.
I suppose it's more like what people call an Out of body experience but I see them and LD's as the same thing.

Make sure that when the floating sensations you have stop, you RC as you might think you've woken up and it's failed, then just go back to sleep, when actually you're already in a LD.


What happens when you Astral Project?

Sounds like a classic WBTB. Don't remember which LD researcher used to wake up, have a cup of coffee and go back to sleep for an hour, but it's in Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. I also have had goo experiences with longer WBTBs. Glad it's working for you!

Basically while in sleep paralysis I imagine moving my arms up and down, then rubbing my hands together. I do it until I can actually see my hands move up and down and it feels like I'm really doing it. You don't have to picture it you just imagine moving your arms.

Once I've done that I'll roll out of my body like a log as an exit technique. I fly out into my room, sometimes it will
be dark and gloomy, with a red tint outline around everything. Other times it will be crisp sharp and clean as if some professional cleaner like that guy from Black Books has cleaned my room. Other times I'll be 3 feet tall and they'll be rolls of toliet paper everywhere... only had that once.

The closest I've come to meeting a demon (if you believe in that kind of thing) is when I saw my iphone on my computer desk, pressed the home button and as I pressed it thought what if there's a demon on the home screen, and there was. Apart from that it's all good.

I've had something similar to what you're talking about. Many a time, last dream I had in fact, I've became semi-lucid and have just tried to wake myself up as something tragic happens in the dream. It's weird when you think your dreaming, but you don't fully realize it if that makes sense. I woke up on my bed but it was a dream bed. Fail.

So just wait for all sensations to stop then pinch your nose to see if you can breath? Cool will give it a shot.

Nice one.