Lucid dreaming from a waken state at night

**dreamguy1515** · 08-17-2015 09:11 PM

Helllooo DreamViews. It has been forever since I posted on here and I keep leaving and coming back. BUT THIS TIME I TRY I WILL SUCCEED.

Okay anyway, I think I might have talked about this with people a few years ago when I joined but I don't think any answers came up. Obviously you are able to do things such as DILD and use mantras to help induce a lucid dream before you go to sleep, but is there a way to enter a dream at the end of the day when you are going to sleep? I am talking about you got home from work at 11pm, shower and get in bed and are able to enter a dream before losing consciousness. I understand that dreams happen during your sleep cycle, but I don't know if there is a way to force your self into SP and enter a dream from there.

Thanks for any answers

**Paradox7** · 08-19-2015 08:41 PM

Hello,

You should look into the WILD (wake induced lucid dream). This technique is done by transitioning from the waking state to the dream state, without losing consciousness. Do not get too caught up on the SP, a lot of new dreamers look to that as a requirement. SP is more of a benchmark to let you know that you are on the right track, but it is by no means required to have an LD. There are plenty of nights where I have LD's without experiencing SP.

You will find plenty of threads and tutorials throughout the forum. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask

**dreamguy1515** · 08-20-2015 05:01 AM

Hey, I am very familiar with WILD and WBTB. WILD relies on catching yourself going into a dream state and entering it concious , though it doesn't have to be exact. I am wondering if it is possible to skip that and enter it from a blank slate at night. I assume it is not .

**Samael** · 08-20-2015 05:13 AM

BUT THIS TIME I TRY I WILL SUCCEED.

I sympathise.

I'm not sure what the difference is between WILD and what you're describing, though. Could you clarify a bit? What do you mean by a blank state?

**Mr0Blonde** · 08-20-2015 01:12 PM

Yeah you can get Lucid like that using WILD, people usually advise against it as REM isn't meant to happen right after going to sleep (the first sleep of the night) but I've had quite a few like this.
I had one last night straight after falling asleep funnily enough, I didn't try for it as I wait until I've had a few hours sleep before I MILD/WILD these days but a few years ago I used to try to WILD when first going to bed and got them quite often.

I also found that trying to WILD when first going to bed would give me a much higher chance of a DILD latter on in the night even if the WILD failed, so it's worth trying.

The main reason I don't try first thing after going to bed now is just the length of them really, I found they only last a minute or so if that, so pretty short but again, if you just wanna try and get Lucid as much as possible then give it a go, they might last longer for you.

**Redrivertears** · 08-20-2015 10:47 PM

Heya,

I've had a few experiences like the one you describe, so yes, I believe it is possible. I would go to sleep after a full day's activity, and sense the usual hypnagogic images are more vivid and 'real' then usual. Next thing I know, I'd be in a dream to my still-very-conscious surprise. But, at least for me, it's not something I can replicate. It just happens when my body/mind is in exactly the right state, I guess. Usually, dream images at the onset of sleep are just too shallow and anything like excitement or surprise would just bring me back from falling asleep to being awake.

I find it a very intriguing topic in any case.

-Redrivertears-

**dreamguy1515** · 08-23-2015 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Samael

I sympathise.

I'm not sure what the difference is between WILD and what you're describing, though. Could you clarify a bit? What do you mean by a blank state?

Well, a WILD is at it's core, waking up to induce a lucid dream. However, if you have already been awake for 12hrs you can't WILD. I am saying you go straight from an awake state into a lucid dream by passing your natural sleep cycle and go right into a REM. I imagine with enough self control you could be able to do it. People can lower their body temperature and heart beat, so why not initiate a REM from the get go.

Originally Posted by Mr0Blonde

Yeah you can get Lucid like that using WILD, people usually advise against it as REM isn't meant to happen right after going to sleep (the first sleep of the night) but I've had quite a few like this.
I had one last night straight after falling asleep funnily enough, I didn't try for it as I wait until I've had a few hours sleep before I MILD/WILD these days but a few years ago I used to try to WILD when first going to bed and got them quite often.

I also found that trying to WILD when first going to bed would give me a much higher chance of a DILD latter on in the night even if the WILD failed, so it's worth trying.

The main reason I don't try first thing after going to bed now is just the length of them really, I found they only last a minute or so if that, so pretty short but again, if you just wanna try and get Lucid as much as possible then give it a go, they might last longer for you.

Ok cool, so it is possible. I imagined they would be short, but as a novice my LD don't last but a minute so I am trying to get all the practice I can get.

Originally Posted by Redrivertears

Heya,

I've had a few experiences like the one you describe, so yes, I believe it is possible. I would go to sleep after a full day's activity, and sense the usual hypnagogic images are more vivid and 'real' then usual. Next thing I know, I'd be in a dream to my still-very-conscious surprise. But, at least for me, it's not something I can replicate. It just happens when my body/mind is in exactly the right state, I guess. Usually, dream images at the onset of sleep are just too shallow and anything like excitement or surprise would just bring me back from falling asleep to being awake.

I find it a very intriguing topic in any case.

-Redrivertears-

Ok cool that is reassuring. Thanks!

**Redrivertears** · 08-23-2015 10:20 PM

I've been thinking about this some more. There's also people that report WILDs during naps. I guess that would fall into the same category as this topic, since they also go directly from waking state into lucid dreaming. I've your looking for techniques and information that may help you induce this sort of dreaming that you're looking for, might be worthwhile to check there.

-Redrivertears-

**TravisE** · 08-24-2015 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by dreamguy1515

Well, a WILD is at it's core, waking up to induce a lucid dream. However, if you have already been awake for 12hrs you can't WILD. I am saying you go straight from an awake state into a lucid dream by passing your natural sleep cycle and go right into a REM. I imagine with enough self control you could be able to do it. People can lower their body temperature and heart beat, so why not initiate a REM from the get go.

I've heard that certain states of meditation resemble REM, but I'm not really knowledgeable about that and may be missing some things. If you're extremely sleep-deprived, or try one of those extreme polyphasic sleep routines, you might be able to fall into REM sleep directly, though the question is whether the sleep deprivation and potential health impacts are worth it and whether it might cause other problems that make the endeavor counter-productive.

I've personally noticed that things like coming very close to falling asleep at the beginning of the night but then interrupting the process and staying awake a bit longer seem to often skew my first REM cycle to come as early as 30 or 40 minutes from the time I finally fall back asleep, but that's still not quite going directly into REM, and I don't know if this would happen for anyone else or just me.