Thread: Combo: DEILD --> FILD

I never did much FILD since I have my own anchor. I think that FILD is always a DEILD as a technique for it. I may be mistaken though, but i thought that it was just a technique to help DEILD?

Welcome to DV! Hope everything is going well with LDing.

Usually my waking in the night goes as follows, wake, check for DEILD feeling, write down dreams, back to sleep, check for WILD feeling, fall asleep hoping to DILD. I do this in all of my Micro-WBTBs throughout the night (4-6 times a night).

Hey hey, as sensei said FILD is a DEILD technique (for me is more effective then the normal DEILD)
There were nights where I did FILD 5 times in a row
Woking from a LD and enter in another
My only problem is that my FILD always start in my bedroom and then is up to me to change the plot, this is something I can't change yet.

Originally Posted by Sensei

I never did much FILD since I have my own anchor. I think that FILD is always a DEILD as a technique for it. I may be mistaken though, but i thought that it was just a technique to help DEILD?

Welcome to DV! Hope everything is going well with LDing.

Usually my waking in the night goes as follows, wake, check for DEILD feeling, write down dreams, back to sleep, check for WILD feeling, fall asleep hoping to DILD. I do this in all of my Micro-WBTBs throughout the night (4-6 times a night).

I think that DEILD is done just after waking up, whereas FILD is simply a quick WILD to perform when you feel about to fall asleep, generally after waking up. That's what I understood from the tutorials here.

By the way, I'm curious, what IS your anchor?

Also, dream journaling for me is not an option, because I share my room with my brother So what I have done is store lucid dreams in my Memory Palace, to later write them down in a Mind Map format (Zoth's Mental Map Recall). I have had about 7 so far, being on/off about LD for 2-3 years. Should I do this with regular dreams as well?

Gotcha.

My anchor is pretty much my mantra, but it is connected to a feeling in between awake and asleep that I try to keep ahold of.

I don't DJ, but I write down tags for all of my dreams when I wake up. This doesn't need to be done with light, you can just type it on your phone or write a word or two on paper. I recommend working on recall, awareness, and sleep schedule every day if you want to increase the consistency of your LDs, but not the same way that most people do, I recommend starting with this:
http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-sign...m-journal.html

It is a way to DJ, but it is a way to learn your self and narrow it down to the few things that you should be doing per day instead of doing tons of things per day.

Originally Posted by warlockfire1

I think that DEILD is done just after waking up, whereas FILD is simply a quick WILD to perform when you feel about to fall asleep, generally after waking up. That's what I understood from the tutorials here.

By the way, I'm curious, what IS your anchor?

Also, dream journaling for me is not an option, because I share my room with my brother So what I have done is store lucid dreams in my Memory Palace, to later write them down in a Mind Map format (Zoth's Mental Map Recall). I have had about 7 so far, being on/off about LD for 2-3 years. Should I do this with regular dreams as well?

When you have been awoken more than few seconds, you can almost call that a WBTB, and when you fall back to sleep in this case, you are not likely to directly enter a REM sleep stage but some N-REM prior to the REM.
I believe that FILD is based on SOREM (Sleep Onset REM), so you need to directly enter in REM sleep if you want it to work.
That's why FILD is more a DEILD technique than a WILD technique.

Originally Posted by Sensei

I never did much FILD since I have my own anchor. I think that FILD is always a DEILD as a technique for it. I may be mistaken though, but i thought that it was just a technique to help DEILD?

Welcome to DV! Hope everything is going well with LDing.

Usually my waking in the night goes as follows, wake, check for DEILD feeling, write down dreams, back to sleep, check for WILD feeling, fall asleep hoping to DILD. I do this in all of my Micro-WBTBs throughout the night (4-6 times a night).

Hi Sensei (and everyone else! ) At night i attempt wilds and milds. I have several micro awakenings during the night where I simply find myself laying there in bed 'awake'. Now this leaves me with a conundrum on what to do next.

1) im either in a false awakening or
2) Ive just woke up from a dream and am 'ripe' for a deild

Now as im unsure what 'state' i am in (1 or 2), i am reluctant to do a nose plug reality check because if im number 2 (just woken up and ripe for a dield) then the physical nose plug move would effectively reduce my chances of a dield as ive now moved my physical body

If on the other hand im in a false awakening then doing a deild by trying to reenter a dream would be the wrong thing to do because i should simply 'roll out' and have a fun 'obe'

You quote the following ... "Usually my waking in the night goes as follows, wake, check for DEILD feeling, write down dreams, back to sleep, check for WILD feeling"

Can you expand on your quote of 'Deild feeling / wild feeling' as i feel that if i knew what state i was in then i could execute the best technique during that awakening and it seems that you can tell by a 'deild feeling'

Normally i just lay there, eyes closed, not moving knowing that im in a micro awakening and i just dont know what to do. I dont know whether i should just hope im in a false awakeing and 'roll out' of my body or simply attemp to deild instead as there no clear indicator for me to act on

I hope i made sense

Thank you
Ezzo

Originally Posted by Kaan

When you have been awoken more than few seconds, you can almost call that a WBTB, and when you fall back to sleep in this case, you are not likely to directly enter a REM sleep stage but some N-REM prior to the REM.
I believe that FILD is based on SOREM (Sleep Onset REM), so you need to directly enter in REM sleep if you want it to work.
That's why FILD is more a DEILD technique than a WILD technique.

Hey,
Uh... What?
What you're saying is, if you wake up, then go back to sleep, you won't enter REM sleep but N-REM? So how should be able to enter directly into REM?
And what is SOREM? Looking it up on the internet tells me that it's linked to narcolepsy, a hypersomnia disorder?
Thanks.

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi Sensei (and everyone else! ) At night i attempt wilds and milds. I have several micro awakenings during the night where I simply find myself laying there in bed 'awake'. Now this leaves me with a conundrum on what to do next.

1) im either in a false awakening or
2) Ive just woke up from a dream and am 'ripe' for a deild

Now as im unsure what 'state' i am in (1 or 2), i am reluctant to do a nose plug reality check because if im number 2 (just woken up and ripe for a dield) then the physical nose plug move would effectively reduce my chances of a dield as ive now moved my physical body

If on the other hand im in a false awakening then doing a deild by trying to reenter a dream would be the wrong thing to do because i should simply 'roll out' and have a fun 'obe'

You quote the following ... "Usually my waking in the night goes as follows, wake, check for DEILD feeling, write down dreams, back to sleep, check for WILD feeling"

Can you expand on your quote of 'Deild feeling / wild feeling' as i feel that if i knew what state i was in then i could execute the best technique during that awakening and it seems that you can tell by a 'deild feeling'

Normally i just lay there, eyes closed, not moving knowing that im in a micro awakening and i just dont know what to do. I dont know whether i should just hope im in a false awakeing and 'roll out' of my body or simply attemp to deild instead as there no clear indicator for me to act on

I hope i made sense

Thank you
Ezzo

Well, I would recommend a "motionless RC" something like levitating or something to see if you are waking or asleep. Remember that RCs are just doing things that you can't do in waking, doesn't have to be a preset LD. DEILD / WILD Feeling is a feeling in between awake asleep that is like a balance of awareness that is quite difficult to get to unless you have the proper amount of sleepiness, wakingness, and awareness. What I always recommend is to try for DEILD, but not at the cost of a WBTB, try for WILD, but not at the cost of sleep.

When waking, even for a micro awakening, you want to wake yourself up a little in order to reset your intent. Here are some rules to follow generally.
RC upon every waking or change of surroundings. (think you woke up? RC, think you can DEILD back, RC first)
Don't take more than a minute trying to DEILD (honestly 30 seconds should be the max).
Don't take a WBTB less than a minute or two or it won't be effective at all (in fact it might be counter productive)
Don't spend more than 5 minutes trying to WILD. (Unless you have lots of experience, maintaining the right awareness is going to be hard here)
Always lean towards sleep as opposed to a WILD during the night.

Now I break the bottom four rules after I have been sleeping for about 7 hours, I try and DEILD for about 2 minutes, I get up for a long WBTB and try and WILD for about 10 minutes. Now if I miss the WILD and can't get to sleep because I stay too far on the side of awake, I only miss like 30 minutes as opposed to missing all of my sleep at night and screwing my night and the next night. Make sense?

Hi Sensei, thankyou for the advice. Im blessed in that i get a lot of natural awakenings during the night after SSILD but i have not yet 'caught' a false awakening.

I have had over 40 of these micro awakenings and so i feel i am missing out on loads of lucid opportunities by not doing the right technique

So to summarize, on these micro awakenings the first thing i should do is keep still and try a motionless RC such as levitating and if that fails after about 5 seconds then try to deild by remembering last dream, and if thats no good after about 1 min, i should compose myself and attempt a wild?

Ps: this all usually happens after about 5 hours sleep

Thanks Sensei for all your help

Ezzo

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi Sensei, thankyou for the advice. Im blessed in that i get a lot of natural awakenings during the night after SSILD but i have not yet 'caught' a false awakening.

I have had over 40 of these micro awakenings and so i feel i am missing out on loads of lucid opportunities by not doing the right technique

So to summarize, on these micro awakenings the first thing i should do is keep still and try a motionless RC such as levitating and if that fails after about 5 seconds then try to deild by remembering last dream, and if thats no good after about 1 min, i should compose myself and attempt a wild?

Ps: this all usually happens after about 5 hours sleep

Thanks Sensei for all your help

Ezzo

DEILD should be done directly after waking, usually it doesn't work because you usually wake up after REM and have quite a bit of time before your next dream. So if you wake up in the middle of the night, you should try for a little bit trying to sleep. If that doesn't work, you need to pull some dreams out, maybe tag them down if you need to. I usually go to the bathroom, or I type up my dreams for about 2-5 minutes. I am aiming for a specific asleep/awake feeling that I know. I do this about 4 times a night at least. Then when I lay down and try to sleep, I try for WILD and if I don't feel it, I just give it up after a few minutes and go to sleep. My mantra going though, because I am trying for a DILD so that you don't accidentally cause insomnia. Because if you get too close to sleep and keep your awareness and then wake up, it usually puts you in a very awake state and makes it difficult to sleep.