Natural Lucid Dreamer

**Sirius23** · 10-19-2016 01:33 PM

Hey everyone, i just wanted to share this to you and get some insight aswell from the most experienced ones here.
I learned about lucid dreaming few months ago, i followed up some techniques which worked sometimes at first but i ended up attaining lucidity naturaly in the end.
First, most important key points are:
-Believe that you can do it.Faith.You really have to want this to actually happen
-If it doesnt work right away, dont quit.Persistence and Patience.
If you work with these you propably make it easily.
By just programming myself to remember my dreams and be aware that dreams will come soon as a go to sleep i ended up attaning lucidity easily,and getting better day by day.Most of my lucids are starting from small stuff that i cant even remember, it just happens to know that i am dreaming.I use no techniques , rubbing hands etc to stay in the dream, it just got easy to be one with the enviroment when i realize that the dream fades.My consciousness within the dream is not much for now cause i had a long break, just started again but i can stay IN the dream for a very long time.Today was the longest ever.I had a sense of time when i was in, if felt like 30 minutes or more, to the point i got bored.The scenes changed alot of times, characters and content aswell without even realizing it.As i woke up i couldnt remember shit but i knew i was inside for a loooong time.
What do you guys think about that? Im no expert, i have just read alot when i started but now it seems i dont need anything to make it, i dont use dream journals.I just do what i said above.

**Sageous** · 10-19-2016 04:09 PM

As an older dreamer who learned to LD without any of the popular techniques (mostly because they pretty much didn't exist yet), and who is by no means a natural LD'er, I think I can address this.

Techniques don't make you lucid; You make you lucid. Lucidity is all about mindset, period, and techniques are little more than handy aids to guide that mindset. From what you wrote, it sounds like you did a good job developing a lucid mindset, so it makes sense that you were able to become lucid. And yes, you certainly don't need anything to make it, other than a good mindset... anyone telling you you need techniques to become lucid is wrong, I think.

That said, you actually did do some work to become lucid. For instance, "just programming" yourself to remember your dreams and to expect to be lucid is a pretty big step, even if it didn't feel like one (and even if, for you, it came easily). You weren't doing established techniques, but you were teaching yourself to move beyond the "natural" setting of non-lucidity toward an expectation of lucidity.

So you might not be a natural (I personally don't think there are very many of those anyway, if any, BTW), but you should count yourself lucky that you went straight to the core of successful LD'ing -- mindset -- and didn't raise the importance of techniques to a point of distraction, which so many people do.

**Sirius23** · 10-19-2016 04:23 PM

Exaclty, everyone is looking for a technique to make it but eventually the mindset is everything.They fail, then then get frustrated and they subconsciously dont truly believe they can do it.I've been there, i know how it feels.I do feel really lucky cause i never thought i could reach that point "easily".
What about controlling the dream, and being more aware of what is happening.Should i work on these myself?What would your approach be?
There's a ton of information, and i think i know how to get better but i believe its about what works for YOU.Experience and time aswell contribute.

**Sageous** · 10-19-2016 05:30 PM

I always recommend working on the fundamentals -- self-awareness, memory, and expectation/intention -- first, because mastery of, or even just a good handle on, those will do more for all things lucid (including things like control, awareness, and prolonging) than any technique will. So I guess working on that stuff would be far more important than techniques. If you're curious, I go on a bit more about the Fundamentals here.

Experience and time are also key, as is the patience to allow that experience to accumulate, rather than impatiently attempting an endless string of new techniques or trying to absorb all the available (and often incorrect or misleading) information about LD'ing.