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      Bizzare Induced Lucid Dreaming (BILD)

      Bizarre Induced Lucid Dreaming (BILD)

      First of all I’d like to say this is a very successful technique and seems to work with near 100% accuracy when practised correctly. However, to the person who is fairly new to lucid dreaming or this style of technique may find it particularly distressing at first, but must repeat to be ‘accustomed’ to such bizarre dali-esque experiences. This isn’t night-terror free and this can occur but it isn’t required and this can be avoided by practise.

      Here is the technical method. But a lot of previous mind training needs to be done and pre-conceived ideas need to be given.

      Sleep instructions


      • 1. First of all, an hour before you actually sleep, ingest 25mg of Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (to sedate, and initiate peak of psychoactive effects from sleep deprivation when delayed by its recommended time for sleep)

        2. Personally I prefer after 40 minutes of ingesting that tablet, that I consume 3 tablets of ZMA (Zinc, Magnesium and B6 supplement. I suggest buy this from a health store as it seems to be the daddy of quality repairing sleep and vividity nutrition wise). Each capsule contains 3.5mg B6, 150mg magnesium and 10mg of Zinc.

        3. During this hour, it maybe wise to browse lucid dreaming forums, wikipedia (looking up information about drugs) reading encyclopedia on biochemistry or whatever you feel is educational.

        4. When you eventually attempt to sleep, it often helps to feel ‘warmer’ then normal, somehow this aids in lucid dreaming.

        5. attempt to sleep for 5/6 hours, wake up, make yourself scrambled eggs on toast OR if you really wanted to push the limit (smoke Calea Zacheachichi, or consume a generous amount of Blue Stilton Cheese OR have a yeast based product like Bovril on toast – I will explain the relevance later)

        6. go back to sleep half an hour to an hour later or whatever you feel gives you the best success. THEN ingest one anti-histamine of your choice (doesn’t need to be drowsy)

        7. Make sure to sleep about 2-4 hours. It’s not uncommon to fall asleep for 10 hours in total after a previous sleep deprived night, but not everyone has this luxury.

        8. You may have random ‘false awakenings’ or ‘night terrors’ or lying in bed feeling sweaty but persistence is required to combat these.



      Now here comes the mechanics of my method (it may help, but isn’t necessary, to have experience of drugs/substances or a knowledge of them prior)

      Alice in Wonderland technique

      Reality pills
      – Red and Blue pills. You will have these to control the intensity of the situation, you will have a small pill bottle with a couple of pills in there. Take the reality pill for a more tranquil experience or to lessen otherwise too bizarre situation (ie: avoid sleep paralysis) and take the blue pill whilst in lucidity to amplify intensity (although taking too much may mean more intenser or shorter experiences)

      Of course, everyone has a subjective opinion on these drugs – I am not necessarily promoting the use of drugs, I am merely exploiting the minds dopamine-reward system and pseudo-effects of these drugs when in a state of your own reality (which in theory, has unlimited potential) In which case, if you believe that you’re about to get ‘stoned’ or ‘tripping’ you will 


      Cannabis – Smoke cannabis in your dream to induce more creative, sensual experiences. Induce yourself into a happy stupor or alternatively in your mind imagine a stronger variety of cannabis you’re smoking with a vastly different effect.

      Magic Mushrooms – Consume magic mushrooms in your dream to feel tranquil, I prefer eating these outside in a garden or somewhere sunny in my dreams to enhance attention to detail and colour. This may make you feel uncoordinated too (if you remember it happening to you before)

      Poppers – You sniff these, what I do with this is treat it like a dissociative and your reality takes a mind off its own (and doesn’t want to be ordered).

      Ecstasy – Intense pleasure, maybe the most pleasurable drug to take on a dream if you want a beautiful experience.

      LSD – Take this too basically experience mindf****, flashbacks, time distortion, excessive false awakenings, you will truly be in chaos and you may be seeing with dinosaur heads(Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas anyone?)

      Userspecified Pills – Colour code your own pills, with practise, you can eventually customise each individual to take on a vastly different affect. One may make you ‘light headed and floaty’ and may mean you experience the sensation of zero gravity and another pill could be one that makes you more ‘spiritually aware’. My FAVOURITE one is the black capsule, where you end up being teleported to some bizarre Hieronymous Bosch hell .


      Theory / Tips / Observations


      There are so much drugs/substances to take so you may take on your own definitions or expectations of any drug even if you haven’t taken it before. Read Wikipedia or Erowid and research effects to bring out the immersion, you can get even more immersed if you choose to ingest/smoke any random object you may find. You may for example have colour/shape coded pipes that bring a vastly different experience.

      Finally – I stress, DRUG USING IS ABUSING. I don’t take drugs as much as you might assume and for me it’s only an occasional social activity (and not my life). Using drugs before sleep is horrible, but diphenhydramine HCl in mild dosage is good as long as you cycle and don’t depend on it. If you feel diphenhydramine HCl Is too much of an addiction I suggest move to Valerian root or 5-HTP as a safer alternative.


      I have practised this technique for months now and its not uncommon for me to have multiple lucid dreams or OBE experiences (or the sensations of an OBE as there is no scientific fact). I am a methodical person, I believe it generally helps to be a more creative/focused individual in regards to dreaming and to frequently exercise the body. Somehow this technique adds a Synaesthesia spin on the dream and adds to the immersion of any lucid dream.

      Ok, if you tried this and it didn’t work, I can only stress repetition or better yet repeatedly VISUALISE yourself taking a drug in the day (Ie: every 2 hours imagine you’re a smoking a joint and you may feel a pseudo-daydream effect of such thing as your mind either remembers what it was like or imagines what it is like).

      Things you may notice if you have false awakenings or night terrors – Objects take on a mind of its own, hallucinations become INCREDIBLY pronounced. Your imagination and control of the situation is stronger when you deal with your intense sensations and experience with practise. For example, a simple white plastic bag can manifest itself perfectly in to the shape of a cat staring at you, or alternatively you may decide to have it changed into faces screaming out in horror begging to be released. When in such a state of lucidity, you can ‘falsely awaken’ yourself and literally pick up the bag and play with the kitten cat, and you may break yourself free from this false awakening by ingesting a Reality Pill or get even more immersed either by spinning in your dream or taking a Surreality Pill.

      Synaesthesia – I ask someone to try my experiment and report their own progress. I find that objects now seem to have ‘aura colours’ if they’re significant, I have found it unbelievably helpful if I’m dreaming and not necessarily lucid that I am able to recognise and go ‘hang on a minute, objects/people don’t have auras’. This maybe a unique occurrence, but when I imagine inducing a certain blue/white coloured capsule that my synaesthesia is even more pronounced or when I’m smoking a joint or having magic mushrooms. I think this is useful for finding ‘dream symbols’ and I may have to optimise such experiences as I am not naturally abled to have synaesthesia in real life. This is what I call capitalisation of drug experiences to understand oneself in your own reality, some reason your mind is susceptible to pseudo effect especially whilst dreaming under optimum conditions. I for instance, imagined a photo of someone as being ‘light blue’ as this was how I felt about that personality. Give it a try if you get so lucky.

      Blue Stilton and yeast-based products aren’t a necessity but if you’re brave you can experience truly surreal experiences. Although Stilton for some can induce Silent-Hill esque nightmares but this is different to each persons sensitivity. The theory is the more bizzarre and far from reality you are, the more apt you are to discovery of a window of oppurtunity for a lucid dream.

      Feel free to give your own comments or ask questions. I hope I was clear but I have a tendency to ramble in my mind tank.
      The overman...Who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms life without resentment.
      - Friedrich Nietzsche

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      I find that quite ridiculous. If I wanted a holidy-trip experience, I could just ingest LSD for that matter. Lucid dreaming isn't about getting pumped up with various substances of whatever kind. I really hate this effect science has on people - Oh shit I need to take ingredient XYZ or I might suffer from ABC - what a load of shit. You can have many MANY many lucid dreams without taking anything as long as you have a relatively healthy lifestyle.

      The problem is that you have a severely limited opinion and view of the human mind and your own possiblities. Taking drugs from real life in a lucid dream is just outright stupid. It does not make any sense. And I hope you realize that without real-life drug experiences it's even more stupid because it's purely placebo and subjective - something one can achieve without taking funny pills. You really haven't understood that the ability to lucid dream is mainly subjective and not bound to specific stimuli. The experiences you can have in lucid dreams are not bound to names, they are not bound to previous experiences and certainly not bound to the ingestion of ANY pill.

      In my opinion, this technique is just a waste of important sleeping time. Basically, if one isn't so bound to names, scientific doctrines and experiences of heteronomy, he can experience everything you listed, except he will not want to because he realizes that it's utter stupidity and that the flexibility of lucidity can be used for much more than this earthly shit.

      BTW I'm not here to change your mind, only to tell you that it's stupid.

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      Lol i agree!
      2006 LD Count:7
      DILD: 4
      WILD: 1
      MILD: 2

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      Wow, man, your method is really a trip. By the way, if you want psychedelic dreams, you can ingest Morning Glory seeds. Just grind them up in a coffee grinder and put into capsules. Take after a couple of hours of sleep. MG seeds can induce LDs all by themselves, so if you want to throw them into your mix, that could be groovy. Better living through chemistry !!!

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      To the two people concerend

      I can achieve a lucid dream without this technique. Fact is, you've completely misrepresented my idea, the idea is that if you pseudo-enforce properties of metaphysical objects you can mimic certain conditions. Although lucid dreaming is generally quite clarified and clear, if you wish to experience it beyond the sense of 'hyperreal' and enter 'hypersurreal' then this is an easier way without getting lost in the transition (ie: fuzzing out).

      You don't need these conditions to acheive certain states of dream concious, and in no way does it limit the experience. It's like owning a bamboo fishing rod and a professional custom built fishing rod. Sure, the more expensive fishing rod is bound to catch the most fish but the bamboo user has the most the technical skill. In this instance, BILD is an advanced technique that can mimic drug conditions in the brain by action of presupposed kinestheatic states.

      It's easier to pick holes then fill them - I invite you to try some of these out. I think you will find intuitively your brain will visualise the right object for the right circumstance. As much as you long to belong to a nudist camp, by logic, you are more inclined dream yourself naked by default.

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      The whole point of this is, is too make a more 'interesting' lucid dream, and while it is possible to imagine all sorts of states - you will find your mind more susceptible to placebo to anything that is 'ingested' or 'smoked' even when you're unaware of attaining lucidity. for example, if every hour you think about and visualise by closing your eyes the process of rolling a joint and smoking or think long and hard how you felt the other times you've smoked a joint the more likely it is to enter into your dream world.

      Sorry if I did not clarify my point clearer, i am aware of the fact that anchoring is subjective but by combining perceived altered states in real life memories you can actually get a free 'high' so to speak.
      The overman...Who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms life without resentment.
      - Friedrich Nietzsche

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      Though this sounds like an interesting technique, I believe in naturally inducing LDs, without taking any drugs to aid in induction. Also, while the effects could be interesting, I don't believe that taking drugs in a dream is much better than in reality, as if you have never taken the drug you may want to try it in reality too, and if you have taken it, it could remind you how great it felt, and you could go back to it. What I do like is the colored pills idea, as they have no implications of a certain drug, and are totally made up, but can have the same effects, as it's your dream mind creating it, so irrelevant to the induction technique, I may try the colored pills as a dream controll assisstant and as a way to spice up LDs (when I have a stable one, hasn't happend yet).

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      Originally posted by ZenVortex
      Wow, man, your method is really a trip. *By the way, if you want psychedelic dreams, you can ingest Morning Glory seeds. *Just grind them up in a coffee grinder and put into capsules. *Take after a couple of hours of sleep. *MG seeds can induce LDs all by themselves, so if you want to throw them into your mix, that could be groovy. *Better living through chemistry !!!
      I've not tried morning glory seeds myself, but several of my friends have used them recreationally. Results have ranged widely, with some people reporting violent nausea and stomach cramping, to some having very peaceful and serene trips. The sickness is generally attributed to cyanogenic glucosides found in the seeds husks, which oxidizes into cyanide when exposed to the air. The level of toxicity can vary from batch to batch.

      Also, I don't know about over in your corner of the world, Vortex, but in the US some companies treat their morning glory seeds with a chemical to make one very sick should he or she ingest them, in order to deter people from using them to get high.

      Point being - If you should decide to use MG seeds, it is advised that you treat them first to prepare them for ingestion. An internet search should yield information on how to remove the harmful chemicals so all you're getting is the good stuff. I have also read this is NOT a safe chemical for pregnant women.

      BTW, for anyone that does not already know, the seeds contain LSA, a very closely related compound to LSD - although only about 1/10 as potent. It is typically ingested in larger amounts (you can count 100 seeds as one hit) and can produce essentially the same type of trip as an LSD trip although apparently less visual. If you are interested in LSA experiences, check out the vaults at Erowid.com.

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