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      WILDING and HI... what does yours look like?

      I used to experience HI and HS and I would not even realize there was anything unusual. One night I was so aware when it happen that it startled the hell out of me! I kept seeing this man and his daughter sitting on a step talking. I sat straight up and went to my computer to look up what I'd just experienced. After realizing what HI was (this was after being interested in LDing, I'm surprised I hadn't read about it earlier), I stopped experiencing it for a few months.

      Recently I have been attempting to WILD, and I am curious about my HI. I have not yet been successful, but I have gone into SP and seen and heard a lot of HI/HS. My HS is very clear, just as though someone were talking to me. My HI are fleeting images, but one thing I've noticed is that they are always in a certain position. It's like I'm seeing a painting hung on a wall, but they are always either on the right or left side of my vision, about mid-height. I'm just curious about what your HI looks like, especially orientation-wise. I know they are supposed to be more complex and eventually take up all of your vision and whatnot, but what does it look like initially?

      The HI that was very vivid 2 nights ago was a young girl in a white dress standing on a beach. I've photoshopped basically what it looked like.

      Strangely, after I saw this I heard a woman say, "If you want the toy, we'll have to go to McDonalds." Dreams are so crazy!

      I think I'm going to try to imagine WILDing like the scene in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, where the children get pulled into the painting. That's sort of what it feels like!
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      That's an interesting picture. I'd say my H.I. looks like what you get on Photoshop when you use the Lights render, but with multiple colours and obviously animated.

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      mine looks almost like what you would see when looking at an aurora borealis. then my mind will wander and I begin to start watching a dream like a movie, pretty much my whole vision is filled. when i get to this point i usually feel like i'm about to fall asleep and unintentionally bring back my conscious thought and then I feel reality again(and know reality because 100% of time RC shows reality). if i let it go i feel that I might fall asleep and probably do when i wake up in the morning. i've even laid there for about 2 hours in SP doing it over and over but no success...

      Any hints experienced people? much appreciated

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jdeadevil View Post
      the Lights render, but with multiple colours and obviously animated.
      That's what I'm curious about. Mine tend to just start off as images, almost just like different photographs flashing before my eyes. I haven't gotten to the point where they are animated or linked, but I've never seen the color flashes and etc. that I've read so much about.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tom187 View Post
      mine looks almost like what you would see when looking at an aurora borealis. then my mind will wander and I begin to start watching a dream like a movie, pretty much my whole vision is filled
      Hmm, from what I've read on the tutorials, it sounds like you are close if it's like a movie? That's pretty neat, with the aurora borealis. At the very least, it would be nice to fall asleep to something that pretty every night

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      And yet, when doing a WILD I get SO bored

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
      That's what I'm curious about. Mine tend to just start off as images, almost just like different photographs flashing before my eyes. I haven't gotten to the point where they are animated or linked, but I've never seen the color flashes and etc. that I've read so much about.
      Well they didn't properly animate, just appeared and disappeared. No pictures ever come, but from plenty of past experience, I know that if you imagine a picture for a bit a second and then cancel it out, you will see it a tiny bit fading out.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jdeadevil View Post
      No pictures ever come, but from plenty of past experience, I know that if you imagine a picture for a bit a second and then cancel it out, you will see it a tiny bit fading out.
      Hmm that's strange. That's all I see. Random glimpses I guess into the dream world. People, objects, etc., but never anything abstract. They are usually highly defined, but are so hard to focus that they disappear instantaneously. Sometimes I'll see something, and seconds later can't remember what it was. The brain is such a fantastic thing

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      It is indeed.

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      Shift, I'm fascinated by your description of your HI. Especailly with the orientation. It brings to mind so many things I've heard about left/right brain dominance, eye position during sleep, ect. I hope we get enough people describing their HI to draw some conclusions. This would make a great research project.

      I am going to pay more specific attention to my HI, but off the top of my head, let me see what I can remember.

      They sneak up on me. I always feel as if I am dropped into a scene that is already in progress. I feel like I have missed the beginning, and now I need to really focus to catch up on what the hell is going on. I will often get complete yet brief scenes with accompanying dialogue. When I am paying attention, I can recognize the HI, but as soon as I identify it, I lose it.

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      To put things straight, HI is the what you see when you have your eyes closed isn't it?

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      I assumed Shift was referring to the flashes of imagery you get while you are drifting off to sleep.

      I guess people use the term HI loosely to refer to any of the hallucinations, dreamlets, and geometric patterns you get while falling asleep. Thats why I'm so interested. People say HI, but there are so many different kinds of HI. Sounds, tactile sensations, emotions. It would be cool to figure it all out.

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      If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jdeadevil View Post
      If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.
      No, I always get it before SP, though SP isn't a requirement for WILDing, I'd guess I enter SP just as I'm going into the dream, though sometimes in the beginning if I move, or try too hard to move, Ill move in real life and wake myself up because of it.

      I always get HI if I'm really really tired. Usually just images and stuff, but sometimes a dark room, or whatever.

      I never have HI where its just like a picture as depicted in yours. They are always in my full view. Seems like it's always first person for me.

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      But isn't SP what you truly need in order to WILD unless you're really experienced?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jdeadevil View Post
      But isn't SP what you truly need in order to WILD unless you're really experienced?
      Well I haven't experienced it like some people here have. I haven't experienced the whole "I can't move or do anything no matter how hard I try"

      I have no idea why, but it probably happens, I just don't notice it. I'm sure I am in it during the WILD, since I can move my arms and everything, but sometimes I cant in the beginning of the WILD, so I float around until I can. Like I said earlier, sometimes when I try to move in the beginning of the WILD I can tell if I try too hard I'll really do it and wake up, and I have moved it and woken up a few times, if not more.

      I'm pretty sure theres other people that either don't knowingly go through it before (like just not noticing it) or have had WILDs without noticing it, but do sometimes.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Robot_Butler View Post
      Shift, I'm fascinated by your description of your HI. Especailly with the orientation. It brings to mind so many things I've heard about left/right brain dominance, eye position during sleep, ect. I hope we get enough people describing their HI to draw some conclusions. This would make a great research project.

      When I am paying attention, I can recognize the HI, but as soon as I identify it, I lose it.
      Exactly, I think it is such an interesting concept/topic! I would love to form some sort of survey and figure this out, and I agree: everyone please post some input so we can get an idea of this phenomenon!

      My HI/HS usually appear as I am laying in bed, relaxing, and thinking from thought to thought while trying not to concentrate on anything at all. Mixed in between my conscious, relevant thoughts will be random, completely unrelated images. My consciousness will try to focus on it more, and it will disappear, but not before I get some clear concept of what it was (in the case of the girl on the beach, that image is basically exactly what I saw, then it disappeared... the girl was standing at a different angle, but that's the only difference.)

      I guess people use the term HI loosely to refer to any of the hallucinations, dreamlets, and geometric patterns you get while falling asleep. Thats why I'm so interested. People say HI, but there are so many different kinds of HI. Sounds, tactile sensations, emotions. It would be cool to figure it all out.
      Yes, that's true. When I say HI, I mean those images, like photographs, that I keep mentioning. When I say HS, I mean auditory hallucinations, things that I hear that sound just as though they were happening in real life. I've only experience snippets of conversation though, no other types of audio. And I've never felt, tasted, or smelled anything. (HT=taste, HF=feeling, HO=odor???) I guess "Hypnagogia" refers to them as a group.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jdeadevil View Post
      If it's what you get whilst falling asleep, then I don't think I've experienced it. Can you only feel/see it after you go into SP? If so, then I've never seen or felt it.
      No, I have never successfully WILDed. I have gotten as far as vibrations and etc., what you would call the entrance to SP, and I always experience the hallucinations before that point. I experience them after just laying in bed relaxing, not even while consciously trying to WILD or anything. Usually (probably this is why I fail), when I start feeling my muscles jerking and vibrating, all I see is black because I am too concentrated on my physical body. I guess I need to continue to focus on other things to let go of my physical body and enter sleep/dreaming. Hmm, that's a good revelation from this topic!

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      I have gotten as far as vibrations and etc., what you would call the entrance to SP, and I always experience the hallucinations before that point. I experience them after just laying in bed relaxing, not even while consciously trying to WILD or anything. Usually (probably this is why I fail), when I start feeling my muscles jerking and vibrating, all I see is black because I am too concentrated on my physical body. I guess I need to continue to focus on other things to let go of my physical body and enter sleep/dreaming.
      This is exactly what i feel. What i don't know is how if you try and concentrate on the HI and I just get to understand what it is before it disappears is how do you enter a WILD from there? Thanks for explaining it like that Shift i was trying to before.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tom187 View Post
      This is exactly what i feel. What i don't know is how if you try and concentrate on the HI and I just get to understand what it is before it disappears is how do you enter a WILD from there? Thanks for explaining it like that Shift i was trying to before.
      I've never successfully WILDed, but from everything I've read you've just got to remain calm, and keep letting the images come to you. I guess they start become more and more realistic and encompassing, and eventually they form the reality not that you are seeing in your "mind", but that you exist in, at which point you enter the dream.

      Although the other night I did get to the point where something was pulling me out of my body through my feet. That was incredibly weird. I guess if I hadn't panicked it would have been a true WILD into my bedroom, which sounds so trippy. Unfortunately I freaked out and woke myself up

      Anyway like I said in the very first post, I feel like WILDing is probably like the scene in The Picture in the Bedroom of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, a book in the Narnia series by C.S. Lewis. It's my favorite of the series, but I don't have it here at school. Basically some children are looking at a painting of a ship at sea, and it starts becoming more and more realistic, until they find themselves very small, standing on the edge of the picture frame above the scene, and then a wave comes up, knocking them into the painting. I swear, C.S. Lewis must've invented the technique! You know what I mean, if you've read it!

      **http://books.narnia.com/chronicles/b...n_treader.html there we go. Read that page, and the beginning of the next. When I read about WILDing, that's what I think about for some reason They'll be turning it into a movie in 2010, I'm pretty excited to see how this scene is done!
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      I hear noises first, basically just someone talking about random crap, and it's usually in my right ear only. And I see someone or something in the right side of my vision spectrum.

      And then they go to the center, and the images are usually kind of frightening, like zombies and deformed people and stuff like that, which leads me to sometimes believe I am clinically insane.

      They are often pleasant though, just genuinely strange and random images floating in the center of my vision.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jim224 View Post
      I hear noises first, basically just someone talking about random crap, and it's usually in my right ear only. And I see someone or something in the right side of my vision spectrum.

      And then they go to the center, and the images are usually kind of frightening, like zombies and deformed people and stuff like that, which leads me to sometimes believe I am clinically insane.

      They are often pleasant though, just genuinely strange and random images floating in the center of my vision.
      I am actually not sure if I hear sounds or see images first. I will have to pay attention to that detail.
      That zombie thing sounds pretty scary, if you are trying to fall asleep My HI never seems to be related to anything else, so I am not sure what inspires it, do you have any clue what causes you to see those images over anything else?
      Are the sounds related to the zombies/deformed people (haha groaning, chainsaws?), or unrelated?

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      The times I've WILDed.. there's always a huge dropoff for me; almost similar to what Robot Butler said about feeling like he missed something. Suddenly I realize I'm in the midst of some very serious imagery; and then I sort of pull myself into the front of my brain to bring everything into focus. But so far I've had to go almost completely unconscious to get to the point where the imagery is intense enough to enter.

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      so pretty much it seems that there is a very fine line that each person needs to find where they are in between sleep and consciousness and use their HI to drag them in? If you are too conscious then there is no use and if you are too tired you may just fall asleep.

      seems difficult since i find that my mind wavers to and fro and i'll catch myself sometimes before falling asleep and sometimes i'm feeling as if its easy for me to enter sleep paralysis because my mind is so active but i don't get anywhere from there.

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      I've WILDed 3 times now and still haven't had HI yet. I just enter straight into the dream.
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