Help anyone?

[longdu48]

I was wondering does anyone here that has a lot of experience in Astral Projections, Lucid dreaming, or OBEs cause I really need help. Basically I have this feeling that this group of people are preventing me from lucid dreaming and if I don't do what they say they are gonna keep me from sleeping too (I heard all of this in my head from a voice.) and basically they keep messing with my nose by making it itch it's really a weird feeling. Cause of these people they basically watch me and criticize me on everything I do and make fun of me. Every time I would either take a nap or actually sleep sometimes they would wake me up before I would fall asleep by like making my nose itch or make me twitch. I honestly don't know why they are doing this to me but I'm serious there is people out there that are doing this to me. I remember reading on astral projection and that you're able to stalk someone in real life while the stalker is still asleep. And for the voices I can actually hear them kinda but I can also see them writing in my head I might sound crazy but it's true, I thought it was hallucinations at first but this is way too real to be hallucinations I look around sometimes and I see something moving but nothing is there..I feel as if I'm the only person that they are doing this to. shock:

[shadowofwind]

I think you have to look at this mostly as your own struggle with self-criticism and self-esteem, not something that other people are doing to you, or you'll make yourself nuts. I think its true that we have subconscious interactions with other people, but its always tied into our own personal issues. People don't have that much power over other people otherwise. I would also recommend seeking professional help. In my experience astral stuff is real, sort of, but mental illness is real too, and this stuff crosses into the mental illness realm. If you're psychologically healthy you won't have such problems, and if you're not, no amount of 'psychic self defense' will solve the problem. I don't see how you can say that something is too real to be a hallucination. There's nothing about any experience that seems more 'real' than a hallucination. Sensate experiences seem more real when they resonate with our deeper emotional state, but that's true of hallucinations also. I think that if you hear voices, and its not a constructive, learning about yourself sort of thing, then you need help. It sounds like you've been relentlessly nitpicked by a parent or by peers, and you've internalized it. You have to find a way to stand up for yourself internally, you can't look to them to tell you your worth, they're not qualified to do that.

[floatinghead]

I think you have to look at this mostly as your own struggle with self-criticism and self-esteem, not something that other people are doing to you, or you'll make yourself nuts. I think its true that we have subconscious interactions with other people, but its always tied into our own personal issues. People don't have that much power over other people otherwise. I would also recommend seeking professional help. In my experience astral stuff is real, sort of, but mental illness is real too, and this stuff crosses into the mental illness realm. If you're psychologically healthy you won't have such problems, and if you're not, no amount of 'psychic self defense' will solve the problem. I don't see how you can say that something is too real to be a hallucination. There's nothing about any experience that seems more 'real' than a hallucination. Sensate experiences seem more real when they resonate with our deeper emotional state, but that's true of hallucinations also. I think that if you hear voices, and its not a constructive, learning about yourself sort of thing, then you need help. It sounds like you've been relentlessly nitpicked by a parent or by peers, and you've internalized it. You have to find a way to stand up for yourself internally, you can't look to them to tell you your worth, they're not qualified to do that. Absolutely with you on this! When we start to lucid dream/astral project or OBE we often come across many obstacles which prevent us from going forward - it is like we are, or something external is testing us - as if we need to defeat our personal demons before we can step onto the next 'level' What IS interesting though, is that I experienced what you are describing, to a strikingly similar degree, when I was a child. I would lay in bed each night, and each night a group of people, (I could only see their faces) would peer at me from the window, being very critical and under-minding , they really scared the sh*t out of me and so I would lay in my bed each night feeling that I had no sleep as this felt like it latest all night. I was also having allot of nightmares at the time, and as a way to escape the nightmares I would start to become lucid and force my eyeballs to the back of my head (which translated as forcing my eyelids open) gradually I became aware that I had more power in dreams and this gave me strength in real life until one day I had had enough of those condescending critical creepy bastards staring at me from the window and chased them away. They flew off into the night and never returned Face your demons - chase them away, they only have power over you if you believe it to be true

[longdu48]

Heh sorry about this it's just really new to me and it's really frustrating.

[Sivason]

I in no way want to be critical of you. I do fully believe in astral projection and entities and magic,,, and so on. You may find many consider me one of the odd trippy believer types around here,,, BUT what you are describing has me worried. Shadowofwind makes good points about mental health. I could be wrong but I would guess your age not in the early teens, but closer to the early twenties? I ask for a reason. Lets say 19-25? In some mental illness that is when hallucinations begin. I would be less worried if the voices were not critical of you. However, judgemental mean spirited voices are what ill people hear.. they almost never hear nice voices. As Shadowofwind says "to real to be a hallucination" is faulty logic. Those who have had experience with strong drugs have seen very amizingly real hallucinations. They can be powerful and intense. You may be healthy, but if you are not, then finding out now would be a good idea. Not only could you learn more about what was wrong, but you would then be better equipped to decide how to handle these things. Good luck and God bless.

[shadowofwind]

Heh sorry about this it's just really new to me and it's really frustrating. I also want to emphasize that I didn't mean my comments critically. It comes across that way because I always come across that way. There's nothing to be sorry about or ashamed about in what you said though. We all have questions about our experiences, life doesn't seem to come with a manual for this sort of thing.

[PsychotiChaos]

Please understand that this guy has a psychological disorder called schizophrenia, he needs to get himself some help, his experiences have nothing to do with lucid dreaming. Schizophrenia's symptoms include delusions, audio and visual hallucinations, hearing voices, feeling that someone or something is plotting against them or a group of people. This can be given down through genes, or it could happen without you knowing about it until it's too late (Can be the onset of your environment). He needs to see someone like a doctor or psychiatrist who is a professional in this field, if he ignores this, it could be too late, schizophrenia can get worse as time progresses, depends on the person.

[bluremi]

Sounds like classic schizophrenic hallucinations. This happened to my aunt. She had no idea anything was wrong with her perceptions and behavior until she took medications, then it became obvious to her what was really happening. Best of luck, I suggest talking to a doctor and taking their advice seriously and not being offended by anything they say. We all need help sometimes and it's nothing to be ashamed of.