Originally Posted by shadowofwind
I think you have to look at this mostly as your own struggle with self-criticism and self-esteem, not something that other people are doing to you, or you'll make yourself nuts. I think its true that we have subconscious interactions with other people, but its always tied into our own personal issues. People don't have that much power over other people otherwise. I would also recommend seeking professional help. In my experience astral stuff is real, sort of, but mental illness is real too, and this stuff crosses into the mental illness realm. If you're psychologically healthy you won't have such problems, and if you're not, no amount of 'psychic self defense' will solve the problem.
I don't see how you can say that something is too real to be a hallucination. There's nothing about any experience that seems more 'real' than a hallucination. Sensate experiences seem more real when they resonate with our deeper emotional state, but that's true of hallucinations also. I think that if you hear voices, and its not a constructive, learning about yourself sort of thing, then you need help. It sounds like you've been relentlessly nitpicked by a parent or by peers, and you've internalized it. You have to find a way to stand up for yourself internally, you can't look to them to tell you your worth, they're not qualified to do that.
Absolutely with you on this! When we start to lucid dream/astral project or OBE we often come across many obstacles which prevent us from going forward - it is like we are, or something external is testing us - as if we need to defeat our personal demons before we can step onto the next 'level'
What IS interesting though, is that I experienced what you are describing, to a strikingly similar degree, when I was a child. I would lay in bed each night, and each night a group of people, (I could only see their faces) would peer at me from the window, being very critical and under-minding , they really scared the sh*t out of me and so I would lay in my bed each night feeling that I had no sleep as this felt like it latest all night. I was also having allot of nightmares at the time, and as a way to escape the nightmares I would start to become lucid and force my eyeballs to the back of my head (which translated as forcing my eyelids open) gradually I became aware that I had more power in dreams and this gave me strength in real life until one day I had had enough of those condescending critical creepy bastards staring at me from the window and chased them away.
They flew off into the night and never returned
Face your demons - chase them away, they only have power over you if you believe it to be true
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