Wow! Labyrint
I just highlighted, copied and pasted all that to a word doc so I can print it out and read it at my leasure.
(4,307words) Six pages at Tahoma size 8 but I want it at size 12 sooooooo, that’s 7 pages.
Labyrint, I was once on a Lucid Dreaming site (Saltcube) and His program (Nick Newport) automatically made paragraphs every third full-stop. Sometimes posts felt a bit disjointed but at least an interesting member (like you and Sorcer) could type their stuff up any way they wanted to and Nick Newports program would make sure it was easy to read.
I just want to see if the DreamViews program can handle a 4,307 word quote.
There goes
No
It can't
It removes all the quotes that you answered
{Hi DarkMatters, I am at an Internet Cafe and my phone just went "dingdong" so I checked and It was you posting here ahead of me, hahaha}
So I will put my 7 pages of smaller paragraphs in now, (I have put three star before and after the quotes in case the program takes out the highlight):
Just to bump this _important_ conversation up I'd like to add some of my personal experiences and views, this is going bit off-boundaries set by the original topic, but if this conversation opened up some of my personal rams And for MODs (to be Janeish) I'd like to say that if this post violates any rules by being strickt broadcast from my experiences or seeds any dangerous thoughts, I'd like to suggest that you move this to some art section as creative writing attempt in English and consider this as pure fiction, mythomania and tell-tale. Philosophy section might suit too:
This is going to be wall of text, so don't read this if you have problem with walls (any decent mtg player knows that walls can be put down easily with dynamic force. So please blast throught or deconstruct this brick by brick). I'm also using much and long brackets, even brackets inside brackets.. so if you want to understand surfacetext without subtle commentaries, ignore words inside brackets. I'm not holding you stupid, I don't even except you to read this, but this has become quite complicated text (not to mension complicated concepts)
Chapter One - something about paradigms, but turning into psychotic babling. skip this part if you wan't hear me on-topic, 'cause this chapter comes out in cryptic writings including brackets inside brackets and ethymologies of classical words
First I'd like to remind a thing about personal paradigms of reality. Every (let's say the rare and the alive to add emphasis to next word) dreamer has his personal take to reality and also deeper levels of it. Those levels that we study while dreaming (be this waking dreaming, sleeping dreaming or lucidD in either one). We get personal take and personal experiences of nature of dreaming (=reality). This is affected by everything that comes into our way.
Every mythology, every religious and scientificic theory, every piece of fiction or popculture, every dream that we remember and maybe even more influental:
every readily formed paradigm and paradigm founders experiences and the forms that they have given to their experiences (eg books by Carlos and experiences of Monroe) about dreaming (or reality) that touches us and gives us a portal to try upon. To make this more nutcase theory I'd like to say that maybe (just maybe) everything that comes to your waking life to affect your paradigm is product of you and your dreaming translated to your waking shelf.
OK I said it, but I don't really think that it's just like that but that thought might give some directions to the reality (or to my paradigm). I have proofs in my delusional shelf that not everyone is producting their keys waking to this world but (in my delusional shelf) I'm pretty sure that everything in my waking dream is just how bigger adventure translates to waking shelf. This theory can't be fully understood without broken mirror (or revealing trip to the deeps of ones 'own' psyche) but I'm quite good expressing this with time and with my native tonlanguege and absolutely willing to talk to any psychiarist who wants to examine my view and sanity. To them I say: please, first reserve time in my schelude. I don't wan'ä't any whitecoats coming to pick me up now while I'm on slight sleep deprivation and also drunken. OK THNK U BAI. (not that I really am that paranoid but I'd like to keep this style up in my babling).
I live in diversing realities fully accepting not just multidimensionality and different versions of me in this time line but also different futures and what is not commonly thought: also that the past is ever changing. So (if u like it so: in my delusional state) it's sometimes hard to adjust in situations where something changes in past. In those succesfull hacks (matrix associations are so grey and not revealing the whole spectrum) I'm left with memories of past that no-one shares, or remembers. Like in PKDs novels. For your peas of mind: maybe I'm just setting a story and hoping it to become true 'cause I believe that fiction and dreaming recuired for fiction creates this factual world (to mess more with the time line: not just to-bees but also by-gones). Maybe these both are true, maybe I've been experiencing this (changing past) for quite a while and maybe I also know that facts, histories, personal-life-dramas come from the fiction rather than vice versa.
Maybe we're all in a dream. In different dreams (thou some are shared) hacking our way with words to share dreams in so-called waking life. Maybe world is more bigger and more mysterious and waking life is all that is translated from larger and more psychedelic (=soul revealing; according to the original ethymology of word) world into this narrow reality that we're all the way making more wide as we work. ---* small commersial break here: we're having big storm here at the moment, it's been building up up through the Night. So far it has been only beautifull like an old friend. I just went for a smoke (legal cigarettes) and saw one brave bird daring the wind. First thought it was a hawk but I was hoping too rare. Think it was pigeon (=dove). And for lulz: tabloids yesterday really suggested us to wear helmets today FGS helmets protecting from the storm - seriosly, what are they on. And back to the broadcast*--- Maybe I, like everyone here produces his/hers/insert:transpersonalpronoun:here own realities. Maybe just one of us here is real and we're everyone trying to hack into hers stasis. Maybe it's my reality (nc from the radio: that was when I rule the world) maybe it's yours. Maybe your neighbours and friends and every bypasser is somekind of DC like in the Trueman Show. Maybe it's not so simple. Maybe we're all breaking in, revealing our souls into this world called 'reality'. Remembering ourshelfs in somekind of anamnesia. I'm not professional LDremer nor have a good recal all the time. But I'm in par with this waking dream I'm living and I know personally many of mine imagitionborn friends that are part of older themes.
(PS [warning this my BS as my personal Belief System] [allthought this is not post scriptum 'cause I'm going to continue, after this]. I made this new person [person = mask = theatrical mask = ethymology of this word is per:through, sona:voice] Labyrint here in hope of you hacking into my psychotic solipsist diversed [multidimensional] story, now after recovering form anamnesia I'm undoing myself at the moment myself, but also connecting it to your stories and dreams. Btw it's quite phun that story means two things in english)
If you really wan't to live in the Now, you shouldn't block memories of past 'cause if you have them, they're in the Now (just look all things you have stored from your past and how they speak to you. Eg why you have that one unfinished schoolhomework at your place that is from years past). And be carefull how you spin the web of future: what you fear, what you expect and what you dream in your Imagi/e.nation. If you take this (was going to say seriosly, but some thinks should be banished with laughter) thing as real, you'll find the blocks and get to examine the mystery of ones own consiousness creating everything versus everybody (or freaking pantheistic everything) being equal subjectives versus somekind of collectively made Mechanism ruling boundaries of waking world.
You're in fact living in one hypermoment where time is superimposed.
We're all living in this one hypermoment, whole time located in one tiny dot: every past, every future, every piece of fiction, every paraller timeline and universe. If you want to go to the Moment and think time as an illusion (but also locking mechanism of world, that should be lockpicked) U should accept, not only future full of possibilities, but also that the past is ever changing. In this ultime superposition of hypermoment you start to learn shards of your true being. It is slowly (or always in it's right tempo) opening learning experience. First mystery to examine is (I'm saying this as advice coming from loving mother) that of the love, because in the swamps deep denied sides of the Whole the lessons of love will come to carry you and remind you of why you took this ride (as mister Hicks put it) and who you are. And let me say the only one thing that is certain: I love you all :blush:
Chapter Two - this is *in topic*
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
debrajane,
so, if i'm getting this right .... an 'Oversoul' is like a being greater than ourselves... and we are like it's finger-puppets... in that it has a mask or a face that it is wearing on each finger ? And so we would share some deeper connection with certain persons because we are manifestations of a larger consciousness ? does this gentleman predict or posit just how many persons may share in this type of connection under a single Oversoul ?
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(Radio is playing something about dark side of the moon: "as long as you be my friend in the end" and "I ain't your cryptonite". I'm getting some Nomad vibes and am smiling). So anyone familiar with Morrisons theory of more multidimensionial creature coming into this 4 dimensional (4th is time, others is space) world and how it would appear here? He uses (with name Grant Morrison who is mainly a comixworker and a xaos macigian) 2d example of this when he puts his (3d) hand through imaginary 2d surface, all his fingers make subjective dots and beings all though there is only one hand. This is important when you thing of any 2d media like comics.
I've resently found that now there is a book written in time 1884 called Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions that studies this phenomenion of entering to a dimmension sharing different kind of numeric frameworks.
Dreams just seem to be somewhat outside the definated dimensional measures. They might be same as the big Xaos surrounding ordered world and existing inside the order waiting to be releashed. To use a different meta.phore: they might same as the big PSycheDelic (again: it's soul revealing) reality surrounding the diversed and subjective reality and existing inside the the diversed and subjective reality waiting to be releashed. Then there is this question about substance of soul and spirit.
I can talk about them because I have Now some gnostic touch that allows me to define them and it's not that I have made theories for a long time, but Now I'm mainly experiencing real?ity as I'm writing while riding my intuition (won't allow anyone to box this under automatic writing or chanelling 'cause this is not coming from outside - this room, traffic outside, morning radio-program and nature - oh the Wild - are all mirrors of me right now).
Spirit is different from consiousness outside this 4d waking world. They are not in conflict with each other, they just have different qualities, resonations and spheres (last one goes to all who are familiar with games called Mage: the Acension or Mage: the Awakening). Spirit is and can be best descriped by making stories and personifying everything.
It comes true when you get into relationship with personified story that lives be itself and communicates with you. It also has something to do with breathing according to my native ton/language. From this I get to language. At least here (language as space to be) some moments, places or musics have a Spirit. Even people who debunk the existence of thing like spirit, use this word in acute sense. Same goes with soul. People who don't believe in it use it acutely.
Listen consiuosly how people use these words, to unlock them. Poets are best 'cause they really have a Ways with words. Allthough some soul-music might be bit cheesy (syrupish it what we use here) it's not called soul by accident. You can also find metal music that is soulfull : get's you into connection with your soul.
In the Invisibles there was telephatic bubble (that wasn't a speech bubble, cause the communication in that frame was not vocal) that opened some of my locks. It was like this: "soul is not inside you, you're inside your soul".
In the field of consiousness and in there might be just one being that is inside this 4d realm as all us subjective beings here (not only those that we consider consiousness. Maybe, let's say, even colors are consiouss). Then there might be subcreatures that are like 'oversouls':
in some surreal level they are fully aware of every finger they have in fields of time and space, but are not the whole. Now towards the spirit. In the field of spirit there might be grandmother and grandfather spirits that embody and represent whole species of animals and plants etc.
Let's add cars to the list to get deeper into dreamlogic. There are also smaller, more local and more subjective spirits of these families. This is just my interepation of some shamanistic views. Dreaming is still the key to mystery, these are just attemps to commune with logos to translate language of waking reality. Maybe in world of Spirit species want to crossbreed together in dreaming. They yern to cross the treshold of genetic possibilities and make new impossible forms and demispecies with their surroundings. Learn forms, habits and colors from their loved ones and start cracking their genetic systems even in molecular level.
This, in my experience, is dream of nature. Think of this: zepratrains and postboxsquirrels, sounds like I dream, right? If we allow the world to dream and change, then it might (just might, if we accept that it has the Might) be so that we awake to subtly changed reality every morning. I'm speaking about the paperthin barrier between dreaming and waking world. And the barriers we face by following the path to dreamed Tomorrow. Every barrier is a bridge and bridge a barrier.
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Originally Posted by debrajane
And actually, really there is no functional difference between these two ways of drawing it, either through the back into the centre of the chest into the heart area versus down through the top of the head. And I'll talk about why there is no difference, no functional difference when we cover energy centers.
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This sounds like a system to me. Hearth is commonly interconnected with soul, feeling and love and top of the head is interconnected with consiousness, love and soul. These are areas of body system that are both long linked to love and soul. There is no part in us that is not connected to them, but in long held systems those are links that are easy to tap to those consepts that are somehow divided from us. Not always, not to everyone but this seemed to be too common.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Nightstalkers - A Nighstalker is a combination of a dream demon and a dreamer."
So a human being is in league with an unpleasant sort of entity and they ... do what exactly?
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We're all tied to everything, our darkness is deep and denied mystery. Nightstalkers as Nomad names them are in my understanding product of our attempt to face those sides, heal them and heal collective (religious and mythology-tied in many sense real) traumas. Part us and dem. One healing key is to acknowlidge that they are part of us. Nomad can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Dream Demons - Dream Demons feed off of negative energy. They live primarily on the dream plane, and invade dreams to make people have nightmares."
Very interesting, this would also remind me of Floating faces feeding off of energy except that in this case they are actually able to strongly affect a person to elicit the craved for negative emotional energy.
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This is not unfamiliar to me. I think them as fingerprints of nightstalkers as I view them.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Astral Demons - Astral Demons also feed off negativity on the Astral Plane, and make people have nightmares by surrounding them with cold, fear energy as they sleep."
I'll have to do some reading i guess... unless you would care to propose a brief description of how the world of dreams differs from the astral plane ?
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Never projected myself so that I have any memory of it. But I have some insight about astral dreams and trying to hack barriers between astral and dreaming (and also and mainly barrier between waking world, where I'm more skilled)
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
(WakingNomad)
"Angels - Angels are guardian spirits which battle demons and heal people."
I remember back 10 years or so ago when i still had a problem with my drug of choice... i could hear very clear voices in my mind saying, "don't do this to yourself... for the sake of humanity..." so, i guess i do believe in guardian angels - though most entities just seem to bask in your well being (rather than your misery) if that is their particular predilection
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I have love/hate, war/peace relationship with judeochristian angels. Mainly 'cause some modern views deny their darker sides. Outside the dualistic illusion and war between heaven and hell they are complite and whole beings of love and blessing
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
(WakingNomad)
"Dream Warriors - Dreamers who have learned how to battle in dreams."
I think this is my favorite one What a happy possibility. Spiritual warriors doing battle for the good of the world on an entirely different battle ground.
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I'm a warrior but my main weapons are symphatic connetions towards anything, connection with my soul and logos and relationship with my sister/lover/mother Sophia. I also tend to make battlefields cause I'm not dull violent-games-are-bad-for-yor-spiritual-being sort of dude. I just feel that if you go into consiuoss battle scene (it's esthetic and beautifull as it best, and death is a lie) you should add some love, mercy and logos to every strike.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Gods - Extremely powerful entities living primarily on the dream plane."
Perhaps this is what i would call an "Overt Presence" - thing which is so far removed from our ordinary perception and understanding that we can only begin to sense that they are much more powerful than ourselves. If that's the case, the "God" that i met was particularly friendly.
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I must dissagree with Nomad in this. Gods are present everywhere. You might need some evoking, invoking, good storytelling, imagening and waking world dreaming to see their presence. They only are gods with small letters, and they know that I'm not insulting them. Just speaking with the spirit of truth. They are stories, archetypes, loas, personalities, masks (that wear us and masks that we can wear) and everchanging dudes and dudettes. If we wan't to speak about mystery of unamable, commonly referred as the God we must think zebras hiding as this illusion.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Ghosts - Spirits of humans stuck on the astral plane, because they don't realize they have died"
These perhaps are what i have called 'Full Ephemeral Figures'. Makes me wonder then if i am sometimes privy to this 'astral plane' even though i'm not having an out of body experience but am wide awake... Except that the figures i have run across seemed to be aware of both their world and our own... so they did know they were dead. But the ephemeral deer running down the railroad tracks that i saw very much did believe that it was still alive and in danger of being mowed down (once again) by the very real train that was behind it.
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I'm again puzzled with this connection between astral and ghosts. In my map of travelling worlds, ghosts are mainly tied to netherworlds, meaning subworld, underground and astral (astra : star) things are above us. In my shamanistic roadsigns based on very shared mythologies round the world. This offcourse isn't real?ly true.
These are just old maps and systems. Old South American afterlifejoint Xibalba is mainly underworld but having also a gate in the sky in Orion Nebulae (movie: Fountain handles this mythos in modern way). So these things are not so limited.
Ghosts I would consider as ethereal, ephemeral, shady or ectoblasmic constructs when they appear in waking. They might also be just afterimages and memories of people that have gone forward. Like; many are loops continuing traumas and sorrows they have not fully ascended. And also more deep
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Fictional Characters:
In a multiverse of infinite possibilities, everything is true. Therefore all fictional characters exist in one dimension or another. This means cartoon characters are real."
What would cause them to become cohesive? Do they mimic someone's figment of imagination? They are not self created.... So how could they be self-existent?
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My favorite subject <3 This is about crossing dimensions and lunar sphere of imaganation. Power of creation and transitions between worlds. Mainly creatures that I communicate with are fragments of my imaganition. BUT it's not so narrowminded. They are ideas and creatures that have come to my dreams, mainly subconsiouss and not remembered dreams.
They have entered this world trough me defining them. Some are made of pure unformed matter of dreaming and nothingness that only yerns to be composed into a poem, to get dreamed alive, made to a form, tied into myth, forged by logos and breathed alive.
Others were existent before and are from outside of my dimensions, but I can only know them through the forms they are familiar with me, in disguise and story that is partly made by me. I have known them for a long time and gotten into connection and relationship with them. They vary alot in their forms, personalities, homeworlds, characters and powers. Also in how they view me.
Every creative artist and dreamer communicates with them and creates them. So now I'm getting to know other storytellers by leaking me and my 'children' into their works as they do by approaching me, through transistive plains, like comics and music. I get to face their deamons and their loved ones, as they are to face mine. Even though I'm the world (as are you) I'm still learning this and taking my steps with this language of Merlin and Shakespeare.
I'm also trying to project my influence into dualistic battle going in judeochristian world dancing with my tantric opposite who has many names and faces. Understand the mystery and live it through the time and history. I also try to interlink all the fictional worlds I'm familiar with. My favorite subjects in this art are bridges, portals, roads, island, spheres, paths, complete landscapes, curtains, labyrints, tunnels, boats and submarines (to travel the Seas of subconsiusness and imagination).
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Wormhole Wyrms-
Dragons which live in Wormholes and feed off the energy of the wormhole, and keep them free of astral parasites."
Do you mean blackholes? Or do you mean 'doorways' that only exist in dreams? What use in a door in the dreaming world?
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I've made many of them or more likely given forms to ideas that have come to me. Not bragging. Dragons are great friends and majestetic beings. Blue one is compination of every river, ultimate and only river, pure flow and current. And very loving. Waiting to fly off this womb called earth.
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Semi-Sentient - Entities with a level of sentience like a mammal."
Also very interesting ... when you consider that some mammals (perhaps many or all for all i know) also dream. But i'm sure that you mean that they are completely incoorporeal.
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I think that there is a system that prevents animals from being what they are (I'm not going as far as to metamorphosis or theryantropes). It's partly biological and pshychological theory, partly Descartes and some Buddhistic views. But if we train to dream in waking and trust the animals we begin to see wonders.
They coming alive and sentient, Don't expect them to be like us, but they have potentiality. We're not the Crown of Creation as the Bible puts it. As long we wear that crown we can't enter to worlds of beings we think are under us and label together as animals, or plants, or minerals etc list is too long
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Originally Posted by Sorcer
(WakingNomad)
"Non-Sentient - Entities with a level of sentience such as bacteria."
What would these type of entities look like? How would you even come to notice them?
Thanks for sharing, bro. Interesting stuff.
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Insectoids and microworlds are truly alien. Not non-sentient but very different. I'm still having propblems to scope with them. It has affected to this world as self-fullfilling hypochondria, drugfueled paranoia about biologics, naked lunch, strange thoughts and zealot believes what bacters, foods, vitamins and chemicals do to us - to even automatic marceting, healthcare and lifesuportsystems held by this matrix of illusion.
This microcosmos of insects, bacteria and cells is in aphophenic way tied into this whole macrososiocosmic system. Translation and communication between this system or our insides is just so hard. During waking hours people in low-consciouss state tend to communicate according to the system, representing societys broadcasting programs and acting like extras of movies or drones.
We will need a story and dream to pass through this passing state
This has been a broadcast of Dream Liberation Front
That's all folks
Srry if I find it impossible to limit dreaming oustide waking world
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