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      Dream Entities (A Catalog of Inorganic / Ephemeral Life)

      Sorcerers don’t get lonely.

      If ever you thought that you were alone in an otherwise empty room, you were quite mistaken. A host of entities surrounds each of us at every moment. Slow down the range of your perception and a legion of inorganic beings, each with individual awareness, will shift to the onion’s surface. Something about us attracts the attention of inorganic life as moths to a flame. We are candles burning at both ends, magnificent firework explosions for beings whose consciousness spans time immeasurable as compared to our own brief existence. Before explaining a method by which you may come to traverse this plane of perception, it would be fitting to prepare you for what you may come across. If your experiences are anything like your peers, it is likely that you will eventually encounter a half dozen different types of sentient beings. During these shifts of perception you must strive to maintain an aura of confidence and a sense of clarity, resolve and well-being. You need only view the Discovery channel or step out into the real world in order to be reminded of the fact that the universe can be a hostile place. Except during periods of rest, you are either the hunter or the hunted. Mankind spends a great deal of time as top predator. With this in mind, you must be prepared to step back from facing a spider on its own web. After all, there are places that we aren’t meant to go and sights that we aren’t meant to see. This point aside, the vast majority of the beings that you encounter will have either no interest in harming you or no ability to do so directly.

      "There are self-existent dragons and there are worms that are changed into dragons.”
      - Yuan Kien Lei Han

      “Yea, we are day and night beset with millions of devils, when we walk abroad, sit at our board, lie in our bed, legions of devils are round about, ready to fling whole hell into our hearts.” - Martin Luther

      (A Catalog Of ...) INORGANIC LIFE

      There is, generally speaking, more danger is being unaware of the host of entities that surrounds us than in being fully aware of their presence. Would you change your aims and your thinking patterns if you knew without a doubt that your ancestors could see your every action and hear your every thought? If they do not judge you, then it is because they know exactly who you are (at all times) without having to do so. Beings that you have never known in this world have your interests at heart as well. In a sorcerer’s world karma is instantaneous. Contemplate some hideous thought and a hideous face will shoulder in and join the entourage that previously surrounded you. These are our ‘guardian angels’, except that the bent of their character matches our own. We reap what we sow with every action or obsession. If we center ourselves and attempt to live in a zen or christ-like manner, then the entities around us will be positive and benign in nature. The entourage that surrounds us contributes to our perception of the world, at a subtle level, as being either cheerful or macabre. Persons whom we meet subconsciously sense the presence of the multitude around us and it affects their perception of us as being either honest or sly, likeable or uncharismatic. A larger entourage means that more energy is available to us and we exert a correspondingly greater influence over the thoughts and actions of others with our presence. It becomes advisable, on more levels than one, to ‘surround yourself with happy thoughts’. Free up the mind of selfishness and obsession. Let go of ego attachments and the belief that you are superior to those around you because of this reason or that. Resist compulsion and seek to devalue the items that are in your possession. “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

      Inorganic life is as diverse as organic life, with endless variety in size, shape, and temperament. There are several types, however, which are either more abundant or easier to observe. Following is a brief profile of the entities which are most ‘visibly’ prolific in their interactions with mankind. The name given to each type of entity is only vaguely appropriate. If another culture of sentient entities were attempting to label mankind they could end up calling us ‘Bi-pedal Flesh’. In our profile they might mention that we seem to spend one third or our time engaged in seemingly purposeful activity and another third at apparent rest. These profiles must be taken in a similar vein.

      Full Ephemeral Figure - It is likely that there is at least one, if not several of these, nearby. These entities tend to position themselves as organic beings would in the same surroundings. Our life is lived in a flash compared with their much lengthier existence. Thus, they tend to lean casually against a wall, stand nonchalantly or even sit on the floor rather than take a seat on furniture which will be moved innumerable times during the length of their stay. Some of these entities attach themselves, at least for a time, to a particular person and follow the drama of that person’s life as it unfolds. Others are attached to a particular building or location and are apt to stay put while persons come and go around them. As with human beings, most of these entities prefer to roam freely, staying put for a while when something catches their fancy and then moving on when it seems that some other pasture might be greener. The veil that hides them from our sight is one-sided. At all times they see both their world and our own. This might be why they seem to be more patient and intelligent than the average person. They seem alert, but in a casual and relaxed manner. There are, however, exceptions. From time to time an agitated full ephemeral figure manages to gain someone’s attention for a moment in time, adding more fuel to campfire ghost stories. As we may shift the range of our perception in order to see them, on occasion one of these entities may bodily shift into our normal perceptual range. These entities needn’t always be agitated in order to make this type of shift, but this is often the case. My first experience with this type of entity came when I was very young. I awoke in the middle of the night and crawled out of bed to go pee. I walked into the unlit bathroom and saw, plain as day, a gentleman wiping his hands on the bath towel. My heart leaped into my throat. I turned on the light and he was gone. I turned the light off – and there he was again. Three dimensional as myself, though seemingly made of mist or smoke, he finished up with the hand towel and turned to look in my direction. I quickly turned the light back on and left it on. Many years later a friend and I were walking along the gravel back roads of the small town that I grew up in. As we reached a point in the road that was parallel to the railroad tracks, the bell started to toll and the flashing crossing arms started to lower. We both looked up simultaneously to see the full ephemeral figure of a frightened deer running along the tracks under the bright light of a full moon. A moment later a train came along in fast pursuit. We can only hope that the nocturnal flight of that night has since given way to roaming with hooved friends in greener pastures.

      Floating Faces - With human-like features, for the most part, these apparitions float ear-to-ear at approximately arms length across our entire field of perception. A person is likely to have just a few full ephemeral figures nearby, if any at all, but we are surrounded at all times by more than a dozen of these other entities. Our state of mind seems to affect this type of entity even more strongly than the full figure variety. Full figures occasionally move about and shift positions, but don’t often arrive at or depart from a location. Floating faces, however, seem to pop in and out of view at the speed of thought. While full figures take interest in our thoughts and actions, floating faces seem more attentive to our emotional energies. The type of emotion that we radiate is dependent upon our current mental health and emotional well being. Some of these entities bask in the presence of kindness and humility, while others feed off of hostility and perversion. Thus, our entourage is representative of our innermost self and the percentage of healthful versus macabre thoughts that we indulge in. Some of these entities lose interest rather quickly, while others stay with us through times that are both pleasant and unpleasant, cheerful and morose (though rooting for us to gravitate in one direction or the other). And so, these entities, too, might be thought of as our guardian angels. Or, for persons of a more troubled nature, the monkey on their back. Occasionally, someone that we know may seem very close at hand though actually residing a great distance from us, and appear as a floating face while interacting with you.

      Eyes Alone - The eyes of all that have ever been peer down at us still. Eyes of entities that were never organic in nature look to us as well. These eyes may appear close to you and loom larger than your own or watch on from a great distance, out by the clouds or the sun. As part of us remains alert to signs of danger from the external world even as we sleep, so too, does a part of us remain dreaming even while we are awake. And so, the eyes hovering around you may belong to an entity that you would otherwise never meet or to the dreaming soul of a person that you currently know. Floating eyes at a close proximity usually indicate direct interest or interaction at a personal level. Eyes seen at the distance of clouds usually appear in large number and seem to comprise a veil across perception, as if lining the wall of the vortex that we ride in. This type of entity is more likely to appear to the neophyte sorcerer than the previous two, though full figures are the most common phenomena experienced by the average non-sorcerer. Though these entities are ever-present, our perception of them (as well as their interest in us) is usually short-lived and sporadic.

      Distinguished Presence - A friend and I were visiting a local state park in the late evening hours when both of us were suddenly overcome by the sensation of a dark and foreboding presence. We fled from the location almost immediately and later discussed the entity that we had come across. The incident registered in both of us as a dual phenomena. We both sensed a cruel masculine presence detaining a fearful feminine presence. Some days later we mustered our courage and went back to the park, but the presence was gone. I later learned that just a week or two prior a group of six men and women were sitting by their campfire and drinking beer when, all at once, they looked up at each other, jumped to their feet, hopped into their vehicles and fled from the same park. Perhaps the only thing that we had to fear was fear itself. Only a couple of times in my life have I had the unpleasant experience of backing down and running from a fight. Though I regret both instances, I can’t say in either case that the adversarial relationship would have been beneficial or have led to a positive outcome if I had stuck around. A distinguished presence, more generally, is a presence for which there is a measuring stick. There are identifiable personality traits that make sense in an earthly context. This presence has no physical or ephemeral form, there is nothing to see or hear. None-the-less, ideas and feelings may be communicated directly. The presence may be entirely inorganic or it may originate from a person or animal that has passed on or still exists among the living. When there is a great love between two persons or they share a blood relationship – a person may feel another’s presence from a great distance and experience the other person as being very close at hand for a short duration of time.

      Physical Ephemeral - These entities are fond of habituating statuary, dolls, pictures, and the knots present in wood paneling. Cognizant of the fact that these items draw our interest and focus our attention, they take up residence therein. Each time that our attention is drawn to the eyes of a favorite stuffed tiger, for example, the entity is able to bask in the glow or our attention. This is harmless to us, for the most part, as we constantly pour energy out of our eyes as light from the sun or heat from a flame. Related to this group, if not one-in-the-same, is the physical ephemeral entity which seems to actually bend or arrange the physical formation that it inhabits. Rather than being just a spot on the wall, the wall itself may seem to shift and bulge outward at times with features that may appear quite human. I find this group of entities particularly interesting for their ability to not only bridge the gap of perception which separates physical from ephemeral but because they can influence to a degree the shape and nature of the material world or, at least, our perception of it.

      Dark Spots – These entities are just as they sound. They are the ameobas of the ephemeral world. They may flit around a room much as the white reflection caused by the face of a wristwatch being struck by sunlight. Ranging in size from approximately a golf ball to a softball, they seem to glide along walls in an unpredictable manner. Their movement, however, leaves no doubt as to a sort of sentience. They aren’t shadow so much as a miniature void which is creating an absence of light.

      DREAMING ENTITIES

      All of the entities previously profiled, with the exception of ‘physical ephemeral’, may be encountered in a dream. Due to their inherent nature, however, some types are more commonplace on the dreaming plane than others. Full ephemeral figures, for example, are generally drawn more strongly toward the physical material world than the world of dreams. Floating Faces, on the other hand, are equally attracted to the emotions we emanate as individuals regardless of whether we are dreaming or awake. It is quite common to encounter them in either realm. Due to the shift of perception that takes place, the hazy veil and semi-conscious state that exists between dreaming and awake may be the best vantage from which to observe them. Our range of awareness is much more fluid in the world of dreams, and so, the number and type of entities that we may encounter is significantly greater while we are dreaming than that which is available to us while we are awake. The contextual information which helps us to make sense of the physical world is no longer binding when we are asleep and adream. Differences between the following entities and ourselves make it very unlikely that you will ever encounter them while you are awake.

      Other Dreamers - Most of the persons that you encounter in your dreams will be figments of your own imagination. They aren’t completely illusory, however, as each is a very real manifestation of a different aspect of your innermost self. They may represent your fears, your hopes, your darkest subconscious perversions or your most sagacious potential. As we sleep, it is quite common to don an assortment of masks and become unrecognizable to ourselves. This self-involved puppet theatre gives credence to the idea that each individual person is actually a community of selves. After this realization, while awake you may come to experience the sensation that those around you, yourself included, are simply ‘different faces of the same god’. Though this is a metaphysical possibility in an organic world, the same sensation in a dream should remind you of the fact that the conversation that you are having is with yourself. Not everything that you experience ine your dreams is entirely fantastical. Barriers that exist while we are awake begin to crumble as we lose consciousness. Whether dreaming or awake, we exude an electromagnetic pulse, an unending signature which reports every aspect of our being. When the walls are down, through sleep or sorcery, the energies of two persons may encounter one another in a manner which leaves distance nothing to measure. In our dreams we are often drawn to persons that we have already met in the physical world. We may also encounter persons that we have never before met while awake. It can be disheartening to know that some of the persons that we have just met we may never meet again. Have you ever fallen in love in a dream? Unfortunately, if you are like most persons, you wouldn’t remember it if you had. We lock away our dreams from our conscious self, though now and again they may surface or we find a way to keep them fresh and available to conscious recall. It happens on occasion that two persons share the same dream, awake, and together are able to corroborate the details of that singular event. For the most part, however, if you are skilled or lucky enough to remember a dream in which you encountered another dreamer, it is likely that that person will forget. Persons that have passed on don’t necessarily let that little inconvenience stop them from further dreaming, though a slight shift in there magnetic signature will likely leave no doubt as to their now incorporeal nature. The bonds that tie one soul to another may be strong enough to find (in dreaming) sanctuary beyond the hazy grasp of death. Many animals, especially mammals, dream quite regularly. Taken together, don’t be surprised if you discover yourself sharing a dream with a beloved pet which has recently passed on.

      Shape Shifters - These are entities whose apparent form isn’t actually tied to any organic (physically related) construct. Any shape they appear to possess is illusory as their true form is simply an energetic configuration. The form that they choose isn’t necessarily a predisposition, but rather, suits their current purpose. While dreaming, most of us habitually envision ourselves as human-shaped. Shape shifters may do the same, even taking the appearance of persons that we know by coming into alignment with our expectations. They may also observe unobtrusively in the guise of an inanimate object such as a street lamp, a book, or a clock on the wall. While entities encountered in the waking world communicate indirectly with ideas, feelings or gestures - dream entities may also communicate with the spoken word. Very few have anything of interest to say, as most are simply attracted to the energy that we radiate. The legendary succubus is a shape shifter of sorts. This entity basks in the emotionally charged aspects of interaction. They elicit our involvement by entertaining our interests in procreation and horizontal athletics. They may fixate our attention to such a degree that upon awakening we find ourselves unable to move for a short duration of time. Dreams involving copulation take on a whole different flavor when the dreamer realizes that their partner may be more than appearances would suggest. Though shape shifters are quite pervasive, more often than not the individuals that you encounter in your dreams will be other dreamers or fantastical persons created by your own overactive imagination. Easily distinguished from a true shape shifter, there is a somewhat similar dreaming creature that I will temporarily dub a ‘grimalkin’. These ephemeral creatures do have a true form which is humanoid in nature and are only partly successful in taking on the appearance of something else for any duration without noticeable distortion.

      Overt Presence - While the entity dubbed ‘distinguished presence’ (normally encountered in the waking world) lends itself easily to personification, the typically dream related overt presence is more difficult to describe. Its existence is so far removed from our ordinary range of perception that aside from a very atypical dream, you will likely never encounter one at all. If one of these entities takes a passing interest in you, it will be a ‘dream’ that you can not forget. Some dreams have such a strong sense of realism that they are unaffected by the veil which keeps most ordinary dreams from our conscious recall. Once, a long time female companion and I were sleeping next to each other – each dreaming our own dreams. The sudden appearance of one of these entities awakened us both to the same dream - a dream in which we sensed both it and each other. We both experienced a sense of its vastness. I could tell that it’s power was greater than my own, yet I was unafraid and confident in my ability to find calm and strength in the center of my being. My companion knew fear in the face of this entity and that fear was magnified until she was certain that something terrible must come to pass. Then, as suddenly as it came, it was gone, and we both awoke. “Night Terrors”, as described by a recent textbook on child psychology, provides evidence for the impact of the overt presence. (Kalat) Psychologists distinguish between nightmares and night terrors in the following manner; a nightmare is an unpleasant dream, but a dream none-the-less, while a night terror creates a sudden arousal from sleep accompanied by extreme panic. Night terror almost always occurs during sleep stage three or four, not during REM sleep. Fairly common in young children, frequency tends to decline with age. Children have very fluid awareness. They have not yet developed a shield to protect against the energies that surround and bombard us. This combination may leave them vulnerable on unfamiliar ground. As adults, we have learned to erect mental barriers and to avoid conscious recall of this territory altogether. When we sleep without dreams, we are not far from death. It is not uncommon for us to stop breathing for up to ten seconds while we are asleep. Then we remember not to die, not to let go completely. At this juncture, even the dreaming body comes apart at the seams. Disintegration of the ego and the individual self means a necessary break in memory. In this way, several times each night we die and are reborn to self and consciousness. It isn’t difficult to imagine why a child encountering an incorporeal, impersonal and predatory entity which hovers near to this field of perception would come straight awake, remember little, and be quite terrified.
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      This is amazing. Along with Sorcer's other epic post made tonight these comprise the larges source I've seen on this site for Toltec-style Sorcery information. I love reading about it - I've never heard any ancient teachings concerning lucid dreaming, dreaming, and similar experiences so well explained or in such great depth as the Toltec sorcerers do.

      I wouldn't care to go the full route and try to become a sorcerer myself, it seems mainly aimed at wreaking vengence on enemies - but the basic premises are very similar to those of Buddhism and the other ancient spiritual practices.

      ***EDIT***

      I've realized what it is that I find so deeply appealing about the Toltec teachings - they really understand how to describe things so that you can easily be led away from the static and mechanistic conception of reality. As outlandish as the ideas are, you feel like they're right there - all around you, and if you could just summon the energy you could easily see them.
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      This is amazing like reading a book from the future.

      I love Harry Potter and now I am going to be a sorcer too! Haha no but I can atleast try
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      Shawn?

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      um... you have me at a disadvantage. That is my name. But your name is still a mystery to me. Do we know eachother?

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      No, but I read your book today (SORCERER’S GARDEN) and owe you a twenty when you publish it.
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      Thank you. You have no idea (or perhaps you might) just what that means to me.
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      Ah, a bit of the mystery begins to clear. I was wondering if this was pasted in from a book... it would be hard to believe somebody actually typed up such a massive post and error-corrected it before posting. It would take a sorcerer indeed to do something like that!


      I'll be on the lookout for the book when it becomes available.
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      The brighter you glow, the more entity's you attract. Organic and inorganic. They steal your energy by getting your attention.

      You are safe as long as you cover yourself in the white light of divine protection.
      Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      The brighter you glow, the more entity's you attract. Organic and inorganic. They steal your energy by getting your attention.

      You are safe as long as you cover yourself in the white light of divine protection.
      IMO, most people throw away or burn thru all of their available energy without any need of being robbed. If they fail to get your attention, if you fail to become aware of their presence, then it is your greater loss. Most of the entities which surround us are benign and match the bent of our own character. Like attracts like. Perhaps if a person's personality were that of being a leach, then they would attract leaches.

      I'm uncomfortable with something like the 'white light of divine protection' for a few different reasons. First, of all the entities that i have come across, i have never encountered 'God' or 'the Devil'. For something to be divine would mean that you have favor with some higher power. I'm sure their are a multitude of being in the universe more intelligent and powerful than my little monkey self... but are any of them truly 'God-like'... and would they care about your personal struggles if they were?

      White and light are just different shades of grey. Their is a darkness in each person and everything in the physical world has its shadow. Now, if by surrounding youself with a divine white light you are simultaneously becoming more centered within yourself, more confident and at ease, and finding greater clarity of purpose... then surround away.

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      This post reminds me of an experience from my childhood.

      I was walking into my parents room in the dead of night for some reason, when I walked into the room, I saw a black figure (I think it was some sort of skeleton) holding onto the closet with one hand and leaning in the opposite direction. It noticed me and stood up as if it was hunched over. I didn't know what it was at the time, and I ran back to my room.

      I never saw it again.

      How would one go about seeing these things? is there some sort of training you need to go through?
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      Read Castaneda - or read Shawn's book when it comes out. Basically you have to raise your energy in order to see them, and you do that through "not-doing", which is a form of meditation - shutting off the inner dialogue. Click Sorcer's name and on his profile click "read all started threads" - his thread called "Preparing yourself for the journey of Lucid Dreaming" (Or something to that extent... ) gives a great overview.

      It's also necessary to first "unlearn" the modern concept of the world that's maintained by all that internal dialogue and that's been implanted in your mind by things people have told you all your life.

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      I didn't cover mysalf in light.

      At 14 I meditated on my breath a lot, believing it would lead me home, permanently.

      One night we, mum, little brother and me were bunking in one room, on the charity of others. Leaving one live-in house keeper job to what ever came next.

      I gave mum my bed and took her place in the floor determined to sit-up and not leave my breath till I was all the way home, permanently, (fully enlightened).

      After about 20 minutes I needed a pee. I intended to go to the loo then return and sit and merge with my breathing till I was free.

      As i got up I was happy that I could see my way to the door. I opened it and found the lounge equally lite-up and thought, “there must be a powerful full moon out tonight“. I looked out the big bay windows at the sky, but couldn't see the moon but it was light outside, so I gathered that it was overhead, or something.

      On the loo I had my eyes closed melting into my breath. Then i opened them while my head was bowed. I jumped. My hands had thick irridecent gloves onade of nothing but light.

      I refused to look at them. It made me a bit scared.

      As passed the lounge I wondered again why everthing was so light. There was something odd about the light, but i just couldn't put my finger on it.

      I sat for a while before sliding down into the bed covers to sleep

      Years later i was telling some one about it and they asked, “Something odd about the Moonlight?, Debbie, were there any shadows?“

      Then I said, “Wow, No“

      They said, Well, you know where the light was coming from then?

      I said, “No“

      They smiled and said, “Think about it“.

      A decade or more went by before it dawned on me where that light was comming from.

      I only think it happened because I momentarily had innocently, the intent of the Buddha. The Buddha intended to never rise again till he was fully enlightened or dead.

      I am not trolling.

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      The brighter you glow, the more entity's you attract. Organic and inorganic. They steal your energy by getting your attention.

      You are safe as long as you cover yourself in the white light of divine protection.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Read Castaneda - or read Shawn's book when it comes out. Basically you have to raise your energy in order to see them, and you do that through "not-doing", which is a form of meditation - shutting off the inner dialogue. Click Sorcer's name and on his profile click "read all started threads" - his thread called "Preparing yourself for the journey of Lucid Dreaming" (Or something to that extent... ) gives a great overview.

      It's also necessary to first "unlearn" the modern concept of the world that's maintained by all that internal dialogue and that's been implanted in your mind by things people have told you all your life.
      Thanks, I might look into it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sorcer View Post
      IMO, most people throw away or burn thru all of their available energy without any need of being robbed. If they fail to get your attention, if you fail to become aware of their presence, then it is your greater loss. Most of the entities which surround us are benign and match the bent of our own character. Like attracts like. Perhaps if a person's personality were that of being a leach, then they would attract leaches.

      I'm uncomfortable with something like the 'white light of divine protection' for a few different reasons. First, of all the entities that i have come across, i have never encountered 'God' or 'the Devil'. For something to be divine would mean that you have favor with some higher power. I'm sure their are a multitude of being in the universe more intelligent and powerful than my little monkey self... but are any of them truly 'God-like'... and would they care about your personal struggles if they were?

      White and light are just different shades of grey. Their is a darkness in each person and everything in the physical world has its shadow. Now, if by surrounding youself with a divine white light you are simultaneously becoming more centered within yourself, more confident and at ease, and finding greater clarity of purpose... then surround away.
      I disagree.

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      Quote Originally Posted by debrajane View Post
      At 14 I meditated on my breath a lot... My hands had thick irridecent gloves made of nothing but light.... As passed the lounge I wondered again why everthing was so light. There was something odd about the light, but i just couldn't put my finger on it... Years later i was telling some one about it and they asked, “Something odd about the Moonlight?, Debbie, were there any shadows?“ Then I said, “Wow, No“ They said, Well, you know where the light was coming from then? I said, “No“ They smiled and said, “Think about it“. A decade or more went by before it dawned on me where that light was comming from...
      It is difficult (if not impossible) to disbelieve what we have seen with our own 'eyes'. Thats why it can be said that perhaps we don't choose our beliefs so much as our beliefs choose us.

      My interpretation is that you believe the light was coming from yourself... i would just add an alternate explanation, that the light was coming from your self but in a way slightly different than the one you may have imagined. That you saw your hands as you did would be called by some "seeing" but with the energetic or ephemeral self (as in third-eye type of sight). This type of "seeing" can take place whether your eyes are open or closed, whether you are dreaming or awake. The alternate possibility is that you were also "seeing" the room with your energetic self. The energetic self can focus on the physical world as well, such that everything around you can be seen with great clarity - even though your eyes may closed, even though the room may be dark.

      I deffinitely agree that it was the meditation that allowed you to have the experience - win, lose or draw.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sorcer View Post
      IMO, most people throw away or burn thru all of their available energy without any need of being robbed. If they fail to get your attention, if you fail to become aware of their presence, then it is your greater loss. Most of the entities which surround us are benign and match the bent of our own character. Like attracts like. Perhaps if a person's personality were that of being a leach, then they would attract leaches.

      I'm uncomfortable with something like the 'white light of divine protection' for a few different reasons. First, of all the entities that i have come across, i have never encountered 'God' or 'the Devil'. For something to be divine would mean that you have favor with some higher power. I'm sure their are a multitude of being in the universe more intelligent and powerful than my little monkey self... but are any of them truly 'God-like'... and would they care about your personal struggles if they were?

      White and light are just different shades of grey. Their is a darkness in each person and everything in the physical world has its shadow. Now, if by surrounding youself with a divine white light you are simultaneously becoming more centered within yourself, more confident and at ease, and finding greater clarity of purpose... then surround away.
      What is the original post based on?
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      What is the original post based on?
      Hi WakingNomad,

      The original post is based entirely on my own personal experiences. As such, perhaps it is easier to dismiss.

      I have read at least 1/2 the links in your SharedDreaming signature. Interesting stuff. You believe that two people can share the same very real dream. I also believe that a person can be wide awake and see another person's ephemeral self watching over them. I came awake from a dream the other day and saw a lovely young sorceress by the name of kitty-kat with her face not 12 inches from my own... as i opened my eyes she began to sit up at the side of my bed. She freely admits to stalking my dreams. The world is so much more mysterious than we often allow ourselves to believe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      The brighter you glow, the more entity's you attract. Organic and inorganic. They steal your energy by getting your attention.

      You are safe as long as you cover yourself in the white light of divine protection.
      Quite true. But you have also another way...you overload entities, and even another way...you shift the pattern of your natural vibration to make some go away and make others come near.

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      Quote Originally Posted by redking View Post
      Quite true. But you have also another way...you overload entities, and even another way...you shift the pattern of your natural vibration to make some go away and make others come near.
      I know it's your first post... but i'll Dare you to make another...

      I enjoy hearing about other people's experiences, and as the topic of the post is "Catalog of Inorganic / Ephemeral Life" ... please consider sharing with us what type of entitie(s) you may have come across. How would you describe them.

      (And this is an open challenge to anyone that would care to share ... but please limit the topic to entities which you feel actually exist and weren't just a figment of your own mind.)
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      Challenge accepted: INSPECS as described in Far Journeys.

      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      I fondly began to call them INSPECS—short for "intelli-
      gent species," which presumes humans are not quite so.
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      An interesting sidelight arose when our laboratory Explorers met and
      associated with intelligent beings who did accommodate to the use of
      words, some of whom closely resembled my percepts of the INSPECS. Fur-
      ther, they greeted me with familiarity and I felt the same toward them.
      I had never asked the INSPECS exactly what their role was in the human
      earth pattern. I assumed THEY were simply a graduate school version of
      the ex-human helpers from the outer rings. Their mode of operation and
      purpose seemed very similar, except that the INSPECS had knowledge and
      technology far beyond that drawn from the human experience. The fact
      that THEY seemed to be independent of the recycling rings supported this
      belief. To pose questions about motives seemed—irreverent. Or perhaps I
      didn't want to endanger the good thing I had going for me.
      And a snippet with a conversation with them:
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      I could understand how humans with limited but definite momentary
      superconscious vision could add a halo to make the human-formed INSPEC
      stand out as different. A brightly radiant form? How often in human
      history has such perception taken place? Miracle workers, saints, local
      medicine men, and last-timers on their final run, no doubt.
      (No doubt at all.)
      I wanted to be very careful about this, that I had at least a faint compre-
      hension, that I got it as specifically and accurately as I possibly could.
      They, INSPECS, were in existence before humans ever came into being,
      several million years ago at the minimum.
      (By your time measurement, that is correct. As were you and all other
      energies that are now or have been in-human, if you use this perspective.)
      Could that infer we as humans, the nonphysical energy part of us,
      actually are INSPECS and we don't know it?
      (As we understand it, you are created by the same source.)
      But we humans are not the same.
      (It is difficult to express in your terms. Consider the structure of physical
      matter as various forms. Moving inward, you have named subconstructs as
      atoms. These in turn have many organizations of particles that result in
      distinctive patterns. Your scientists have begun to understand the energy
      relationship of these particles. They have begun to perceive the spinning of
      the particle itself. It is the creative force that produces such spinning which
      we have in common.)
      Which could mean vast differences if I work outward through the struc-
      ture from that base. Differences so profound there could be no point of
      reconciliation, even similarity.
      (You are presuming a complexity which in our reality is very direct and
      simple. It is the distortion of time-space illusion that causes this in your
      consciousness.)
      I would have to try again. There must be some ongoing relationship
      between such INSPECS and humans, else why would they bother with us?
      For some reason, they need us, we need them, they have been involved
      with human existence since we began. I'm drawing a blank.
      (All of your percepts are correct within certain limits.)
      Yeah kids, this is Robert A. Monroe, the founder of The Monroe Institute, the greatest word-smith to walk the earth. It does not get better than this.
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      (This is as close as you can tolerate. We are diverting most of the effec-
      tive energy patterns, which are in themselves only the random residue, the
      leakage as you might call it, from the fundamental. Focus through us rather
      than the outer rim. It will help.)
      With great difficulty, I narrowed and held on the center of the form
      . . . and I began to cool and calm down . . . slowly my rational and
      observing self began to emerge again, dominating the overwhelming emo-
      tional surge that had enveloped me . . . it was as if I perceived through a
      darkly tinted window and I had to work continually to keep the emotion
      below the threshold level, the wondrous and brilliant joy, awe, reverence,
      melded into one yet with flashes of each sparking momentarily . . . all
      (Observe more carefully. You are capable of doing so.) I looked through
      the smoked-glass shield that was my INSPEC friend . . . and I was
      grateful, for I knew if I responded to this degree from just the reflection,
      the leakage, the full force of the radiation would have shattered me, I
      was not ready for it, if this was the percept from the distant edge . . .
      there, in the long view, was a radiant living form of incredible size,
      my first percept that of a tall standing humanoid, arms outstretched in
      front, palms upward . . . but just as quickly, it was not . . . instead, a
      shining globe, edges indistinct, behind it another, identical in appearance,
      behind it another, a continuous cascade moving away into infinity,
      beyond my percept ability . . . from each came numberless beams or
      rays, some huge in their diameter, others no wider than a pinpoint, all
      uniform in size throughout their length and beyond my percept as to their
      destination, some of them moving past me so close that I felt I could
      reach out and touch one . . .
      (Would you like to do so? We will help you if needed.) I hesitated, then
      with the warm assurance from the shielding INSPEC form, I stretched a
      part of me out, cautiously, and touched the smallest ray nearest me . . .
      in an instant, the shock spread throughout all what I thought I was, and I
      knew, and in knowing, knew that I would forget if I tried to remember,
      because what I was could not yet handle the reality of it . . . yet I never
      again would be the same even without remembering, except that it
      occurred and the indescribable joy of knowing only that it did take place
      and the echoes would reverberate in me throughout eternity, whatever
      my eternity was . . . gently, I felt myself being detached from the ray,
      and I collapsed behind the shielding form of my INSPEC friend. . . .
      Friend? INSPEC? I realized then how provincial my percepts were. I also
      realized how limited they were . . . the radiating globes, the rays emitted
      . . .
      These words still reverberate in me decades later...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sorcer View Post
      Hi WakingNomad,

      The original post is based entirely on my own personal experiences. As such, perhaps it is easier to dismiss.

      I have read at least 1/2 the links in your SharedDreaming signature. Interesting stuff. You believe that two people can share the same very real dream. I also believe that a person can be wide awake and see another person's ephemeral self watching over them. I came awake from a dream the other day and saw a lovely young sorceress by the name of kitty-kat with her face not 12 inches from my own... as i opened my eyes she began to sit up at the side of my bed. She freely admits to stalking my dreams. The world is so much more mysterious than we often allow ourselves to believe.

      - Sorcer
      Dismissing another's personal experience is silly. We are perceive differently. The reason I ask is because it sounds like Carlos Castaneda. Have you read his books?

      I have never perceived anything such as floating eyes or floating faces. You see these when you are awake?
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      Dismissing another's personal experience is silly. We are perceive differently. The reason I ask is because it sounds like Carlos Castaneda. Have you read his books?

      I have never perceived anything such as floating eyes or floating faces. You see these when you are awake?
      I have read all of his books ... and am actually in the process of re-reading them now. But they are my own experiences and i have never experienced some of the things that he talks about like 'luminous eggs' ... and "seeing" the luminous fibers of the world... and a fair bit of what i have seen i dont recall reading about anywhere else. The entities that i have described (with the exception of shape shifters) i have all seen at least twice in the waking world. I don't trust my dreams well enough to believe everything that i see in them... but when you are awake, as stated before, it can be difficult if not impossible to doubt what you are seeing with your own "eyes". By which i mean, my eyes could have been either open or closed at the time and it would not have mattered. I have seen these things in full sobriety. I have seen them after a period of meditation. I have seen them while using hallucinogenic drugs. Approximately half of the entities described were cooroborated by a second eye-witness at the time. (Full ephemerals, overt presence, and distinguished presence.) For the rest ... you would have to question my sanity, i am sure
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sorcer View Post
      I know it's your first post... but i'll Dare you to make another...

      I enjoy hearing about other people's experiences, and as the topic of the post is "Catalog of Inorganic / Ephemeral Life" ... please consider sharing with us what type of entitie(s) you may have come across. How would you describe them.

      (And this is an open challenge to anyone that would care to share ... but please limit the topic to entities which you feel actually exist and weren't just a figment of your own mind.)
      Entities:

      In dreams i´ve come across a shadow presence that was familiar to me. So i order that presence, in the dream, to reveal its true identity (for this you have to be more powerfull than the entity in matter, so with some you manage to do that, with others...well you may not wnat to even try). The shadow presence revealed itself to me, and i saw her face. It was a woman, and her name was Kancheva.
      Six days later, on a trip to russia, i went to a bar, and i asked for a beer. The barwoman came to me and said:" finally we meet." I looked at her and it was the same woman that i saw in the dream. I had a long conversation with her after she got out of her work...but that conversation is forme, and for me alone.

      I also have a past friend that sometimes manifests himself in the "real world"...in me, through the way i speak, that sometimes changes according to people that surround me.

      Dreams...manifestations...a weird presence...weird feelings...thats all part of the same huge thing. I don´t know what it is. What i know is that there is only one difference between those things. Some of those happens in your own "backyard" (your mind) and some happens in the universe around you, thus being exterior phenomena.

      But most of the times, if you open up the right inner "channels" and pay no attention to blind mysticism, you can actually see and enjoy the interaction between your backyard and the external phenomena...

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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      Dismissing another's personal experience is silly. We are perceive differently. The reason I ask is because it sounds like Carlos Castaneda. Have you read his books?

      I have never perceived anything such as floating eyes or floating faces. You see these when you are awake?

      maybe not floating eyes...but you may have experienced external stimulli (entities) without even noticing.
      I´m saying maybe, not saying you did.

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