Thread: Could be lucid dreaming world a real world with real creatures?

Theres this on meeting other dreamers

http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ream-faqs.html

Possibly. I don't see why not. Keep an open mind.
And yes, "shared dreaming" happens, I've heard of numerous accounts.

*Moved to Beyond dreaming

All we have to do is memorise a house in Skyrim, and all of us can meet up there!

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Possibly. I don't see why not. Keep an open mind.
And yes, "shared dreaming" happens, I've heard of numerous accounts.

Keeping an open mind does not mean you have to entertain any idea you could ever come up with. It's still possible that ideas can be proven wrong, but denying the possibility of something without a solid basis is just as foolish as accepting the possibility of any and all ideas. Some ideas can be shot down with just a few seconds of thinking, and personally I think this is one of those ideas. My reasoning behind this belief is my experience with drugs that produce altered states consciousness. Your mind's definition of the perceptions you... perceive, the meanings it draws from the raw input it receives from the "real world" so to speak is so highly personalized that through dreaming alone one could not connect with another, at least not through the idea that you try and create the same location. How does your mind place meaning to house? To dog? To barrel? To anything? Through a vast and complex network of associations, the associations of a certain electrical charge in your brain causing a cascade of other electrical charges that your mind has learned to fire off when recognizing that initial electrical charge. Your memories form your meanings for objects, colours, forms, sizes, shapes, lighting information... everything. How, without some physical, electrical, or electromagnetic connection could you connect in a dream otherwise? It seems unlikely that you would be able to recognize the output of another's brain because how vastly different it views the world. There would either have to be some buffer or you would have to make contact in a way that the other dreamer wouldn't even be able to find perceptible at first, repeated contact and thus a pattern would have to be recognized. From there the two minds would have to try and "explain" each others' outputs in order to form an understanding. Imagine you, who speaks English, trying to communicate with someone from China who speaks Cantonese. Now remove the filter the brain has been able to apply on the real world and be able to decipher sounds to have specific meanings and imagine trying to share raw information. Not to mention the brain most likely forms concepts even more differently if it knows things in another language. The differences are so great that it seems almost impossible that without some buffer or mediator of the raw information, that you could not make contact.

However, perhaps in certain states of consciousness, something not currently known by science occurs and it allows for a way to bypass this issue altogether. But, unless you present an idea that makes any kind of logical explanation for this phenomenon, it's pointless to try and prove it to anybody. Even worse still, I suppose you could try and present the idea with poorly constructed and poorly thought-out ideas, which really hurts the theory's credibility. Basically, unless you have an idea on how something works that is testable, falsifiable, and has solid evidence supporting it, presenting it as anything other than a neat idea does no good, and maybe even does bad.

Originally Posted by snoop

Keeping an open mind does not mean you have to entertain any idea you could ever come up with. It's still possible that ideas can be proven wrong, but denying the possibility of something without a solid basis is just as foolish as accepting the possibility of any and all ideas. Some ideas can be shot down with just a few seconds of thinking, and personally I think this is one of those ideas. My reasoning behind this belief is my experience with drugs that produce altered states consciousness. Your mind's definition of the perceptions you... perceive, the meanings it draws from the raw input it receives from the "real world" so to speak is so highly personalized that through dreaming alone one could not connect with another, at least not through the idea that you try and create the same location. How does your mind place meaning to house? To dog? To barrel? To anything? Through a vast and complex network of associations, the associations of a certain electrical charge in your brain causing a cascade of other electrical charges that your mind has learned to fire off when recognizing that initial electrical charge. Your memories form your meanings for objects, colours, forms, sizes, shapes, lighting information... everything. How, without some physical, electrical, or electromagnetic connection could you connect in a dream otherwise? It seems unlikely that you would be able to recognize the output of another's brain because how vastly different it views the world. There would either have to be some buffer or you would have to make contact in a way that the other dreamer wouldn't even be able to find perceptible at first, repeated contact and thus a pattern would have to be recognized. From there the two minds would have to try and "explain" each others' outputs in order to form an understanding. Imagine you, who speaks English, trying to communicate with someone from China who speaks Cantonese. Now remove the filter the brain has been able to apply on the real world and be able to decipher sounds to have specific meanings and imagine trying to share raw information. Not to mention the brain most likely forms concepts even more differently if it knows things in another language. The differences are so great that it seems almost impossible that without some buffer or mediator of the raw information, that you could not make contact.

However, perhaps in certain states of consciousness, something not currently known by science occurs and it allows for a way to bypass this issue altogether. But, unless you present an idea that makes any kind of logical explanation for this phenomenon, it's pointless to try and prove it to anybody. Even worse still, I suppose you could try and present the idea with poorly constructed and poorly thought-out ideas, which really hurts the theory's credibility. Basically, unless you have an idea on how something works that is testable, falsifiable, and has solid evidence supporting it, presenting it as anything other than a neat idea does no good, and maybe even does bad.

Keeping an open mind means not immediately rejecting anything that doesn't seem plausible to you.

Piece of advice: if you want people to read your posts, and read them carefully, don't put them into giant blocks of text. Especially when you're replying to me with your opinion which I personally never asked for, nor for any explanation behind your personal opinion.

Humans.. think they know so much.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Humans.. think they know so much.

The irony, it's palpable.

Also, I'll try and break my walls of text up next time, sorry if it was annoying to read. I didn't say you dismiss it because it seems implausible, I said you dismiss it because with a few logical thoughts the idea does not make any sense, logically. By the way, you don't have to ask for anyone's opinion on a public forum. If you didn't want me to reply to your post then you shouldn't have posted, simple as that.

By the way, your rudeness and apparent hostility to a differing view point suggest you are pretty close minded. I could be wrong, but all the evidence is pointing in that direction. Perhaps you should reevaluate your behavior, pretty hard to convince anyone else to be open minded when you can't even be open minded yourself.

Originally Posted by snoop

The irony, it's palpable.

Also, I'll try and break my walls of text up next time, sorry if it was annoying to read. I didn't say you dismiss it because it seems implausible, I said you dismiss it because with a few logical thoughts the idea does not make any sense, logically. By the way, you don't have to ask for anyone's opinion on a public forum. If you didn't want me to reply to your post then you shouldn't have posted, simple as that.

By the way, your rudeness and apparent hostility to a differing view point suggest you are pretty close minded. I could be wrong, but all the evidence is pointing in that direction. Perhaps you should reevaluate your behavior, pretty hard to convince anyone else to be open minded when you can't even be open minded yourself.

What rudeness? You interpret it wrong. That's easy to do on the internet.
I don't know what closed mindedness you're accusing me of when my whole point was not to immediately reject anything that doesn't seem plausible to you, that's all.
There's no irony because I'm not saying I know anything, quite the contrary, actually.

I've never quite understood why we have to add supernatural qualities to an already pretty awesome phenomenon. Oh well. I've personally never believed that a dream world exists nor that shared dreaming is possible. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think that if either existed we'd have a lot more evidence beyond the odd anecdote. Its all in the mind and that's all its ever been.