Thread: Supernatural Abilities/Skills

Originally Posted by Walkio

Just sounds like coincidence to me. Even really improbable things happen when given enough opportunity.

Thank you. I'm not trying to tear you guys down here, but what makes you so special as a human being that you are able to harness these powers, or that tells you that you actually have them at all? Don't you think enough people would be able to harness these abilities to not only show them off and prove them without a doubt but be able to use them to influence, say, the outcome of wars and the development of new technologies? With 7 billion people alive just right now how is it possible we don't see confirmed psychics all over the place? Why isn't this a widespread, common thing?

My experiment

1st

I'm collecting objects

2nd

Photograph each object and number each object 001, 002, 003, etc.

3rd

Upload one object per day to flicker, in order.

This is done so that if my hypothesis is supported then the skeptics can check the date of when the object was uploaded to Flickr and see that I am not cheating.

4th

Beginning Thursday 1-Jan-2015 I take object number 001. And (sort-of) ask that object to insert itself, gentley, harmlessly and unobtrusively into dreamer's dreams.

I will do one object a week for 42 (or so) weeks begining with week one of 2015.

5th

During week one 2015 I will study all dreams posted in the Dreamviews Dream Journals section.

6th

When I find "hits" to that weeks object I will conntact the person, privately, and show them the object for that week.

Any thoughts?

There are dozens of dreams posted every day in the journal section, so it'd be strange if you DIDN'T get hits. It's like when a 'psychic' throws a random name at an audience; it means something to someone.

In science you need to take your hypothesis and make a specific prediction. If I do this then this should happen. If it doesn't happen it means your hypothesis is wrong. If it does happen it doesn't necessarily mean it is right; it is just one piece of evidence, so you need to repeat the experiment many times.

Yes Walkio

Originally Posted by Walkio

There are dozens of dreams posted every day in the journal section, so it'd be strange if you DIDN'T get hits. It's like when a 'psychic' throws a random name at an audience; it means something to someone.

In science you need to take your hypothesis and make a specific prediction. If I do this then this should happen. If it doesn't happen it means your hypothesis is wrong. If it does happen it doesn't necessarily mean it is right; it is just one piece of evidence, so you need to repeat the experiment many times.

The objects might need to be the kind that never (or hardly ever) show up in dreams. Some dream researchers count how often things turn up in dreams. If anyone came help me put together a list of things that nerver (or hardly ever) show up in dreams, I'd appreciate that.

Repetition, One object a week for 2015 is 52 repetitions.

I will be asking "Our" dreaming mind to place the object into, one of, everyone's dream during that week.

I'm not going to ask "our dreaming mind" to do this, till Thursday December 25 this year (wow!!! That's Christmas Day). Then I will reveal week 1's object on New Years Day, Thursday 1-Jan-2015.

So

we got 9 weeks to compile a list of 52 (or more) unusual objects

Well guys go to the AVC (Advanced Vision Control) Tutorial thread on this forum and read the posts. First let me lay out the facts. Mylynes is a natural and extremely talented lucid dreamer, capable of fabricating all 5 senses to create entire worlds in his mind at any time during the day. He is either very very good, or lying. I prefer to believe he is telling the truth because there is no reason not to. He has disappeared from this forum. He has (as far as I know) never mentioned anything definitively supernatural or conspiracy-theory-like. As I recall, in the thread I mentioned above he disappeared somewhere around halfway through the comments pages. WakingNomad stated that he heard Mylynes had become a "government psychic". This statement made me extremely skeptical, but then further through the comments Mylynes' friend from real life came onto the thread and after discussing AVC, mentioned something about how he heard Mylynes had joined a military group. The direct quote is:

"As for Mylynes, not sure what he is up to. Haven't had any contact with him since before I was arrested. Last I heard he was working in the military, spec ops group he called a shadow group in the cia that I don't know much about."

Ah yes, and the quote from WakingNomad (which was posted several pages before the above quote by Alter) is as follows:


"Mylynes was one of the most weird and terrifying dreamers I ever met/battled on the Dream Plane. I heard he's now working as a government psychic."

It is somewhat odd that WakingNomad who doesn't know Mylynes in real life - as far as I know - made this seemingly unrealistic comment but it was later half-confirmed by Mylynes' friend from real life. Both him and Mylynes never mentioned anything supernatural, but the things they have said seem to add up in an uncanny way with what WakingNomad said.

^^^This^^^^ basically explains why I want to experiment with shared dreaming so much. I can only know if it is real through actual scientific experimentation and if it is it could be a discovery that changes everything about the way I look at the world.

Edit: Would it not seem odd that a supposed master of shared dreaming and mental control is coincidentally in spec-ops?

Theory 1: some powerful people are allied with forces that have conciousness but are disembodied. These allies help when and if they think it is good. They don't give a rats fart for the ego of the person and flat out get irritate at being asked for help to "show off." That is not a joke.

Theory 2: it could be a coincident that a river dries up the night an army needs to cross, perhaps. That river has stopped flowing a few times in history due to landslides. However, the fact that it happened the day it was needed is a miracle and if you shrug it off then you will write off any miracle as a coincidence and that is your loss.

If your looking for mundane supernatural abilities check out Trebor7 and Michael Grubbs YouTube channels Both guys are energy masters that specialize in telekinesis and Aero kinesis, you'll find hundreds of mundane supernatural demonstrations with them. I've been a member of their energy mastery school for a year now and there is a clear and concise curriculum to help one learn super natural abilities. Personally I can't move things with my mind yet but I have learned to astral project on command and awaken with in the dream with zero transition from sleep to wakefulness. Hope this helps - namaste

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher81

If your looking for mundane supernatural abilities check out Trebor7 and Michael Grubbs YouTube channels Both guys are energy masters that specialize in telekinesis and Aero kinesis, you'll find hundreds of mundane supernatural demonstrations with them. I've been a member of their energy mastery school for a year now and there is a clear and concise curriculum to help one learn super natural abilities. Personally I can't move things with my mind yet but I have learned to astral project on command and awaken with in the dream with zero transition from sleep to wakefulness. Hope this helps - namaste

Well tell me this- have you ever actually seen them use their energy mastery?

Originally Posted by Avian

Well tell me this- have you ever actually seen them use their energy mastery?

Wassup avian to answer your question no I have yet to meet Mr Grubbs or Trebor7 (Robert Allen) I do share your suspicions though, in that waking reality and dream reality can somehow coexist allowing the idea of super natural abilities to take physical form. At this time I have nothing definitive to demonstrate to you personally, but I would like to share a Michael Grubbs hydro/aero kinesis video demonstration with you. Please break it down as i have and share your thoughts if you like. - namaste

Aerokinesis/Hydrokinesis (Instant Activation)

Honestly this could easily just be wind. The current spreading across the lake was not coming from his hand, so it seems like this could really be anything. If he can levitate a drop of water, or form an easily distinguishable ball of wind... then, I might believe it.

Edit: I watched several other videos and it seems like he's just standing in windy places. Even if what he is doing is aerokinesis it isn't very useful.

Originally Posted by Avian

Honestly this could easily just be wind. The current spreading across the lake was not coming from his hand, so it seems like this could really be anything. If he can levitate a drop of water, or form an easily distinguishable ball of wind... then, I might believe it.

Edit: I watched several other videos and it seems like he's just standing in windy places. Even if what he is doing is aerokinesis it isn't very useful.

Thanx avian for sharing your opinion on this. I agree that he has many videos that just appear to be him performing in an already windy area. This particular video above caught my attention though because of the timing of his intention to push the wind paired with the wind actually blowing and creating the water current as if it was all on his command. Anyways just wanted share. - peace

That is a real ability, but in my own experience it is less than reliable. It is very hard to start a wind from stillness. Getting a wind to match your intent, such as to breifly stop or switch direction is easier. The fact is it could be faked on film simply by making hundreds of attempts, and then editing out all but the coincidental times it seemed to work.

However, having worked with this for years and teaching my wife, I could not put it down to randomness (even a little). LOL, you would have had to have been there, is all I can say. It is against my own persoanl life policy to give much detail about my own situation. I hate that it leads to my ego expanding. Pridefullness harms these things. For this thread, I will make an exception and give out the following.

An example is on an open plain/valley in Wyoming with driving non stop wind, I was trying to teach my son. We had been there over 30 minutes and the wind was relentless. Having showed him many examples of causing the wind to blow one way or the other and basically up (all still aligned roughly with the direction the wind blows there. ie: not back into the source). He said he would not be convinced unless I could make the wind stop. I explained that the amount of energy needed to do that would be extreme in this case, so I would call it a success if I could stop the wind for a full 3 count when I held up my hand. I almost doubted this was within my ability, but in such arts doubt is poison (exactly like LD powers), so I relaxed and assurred myself I could easily do it (suppressing the doubt). I focused all my energy across miles of land "knowing" there was a break in the wind. I held up my hand,,, and the wind died to an absolute still calm. He looked shocked. I slowly counted out loud 1,2,3. I dropped my hand and the wind slammed back into us.

Could such things be nothing but coincidence? Face it, all powers will be manipulations of physical law, not exceptions of physical law. If you honestly do not want to believe in such things, then no level of astounding extreme "coincidence" will convince you.

At that point, I could only ask, "why is it so important to you that these things not be true?" I am not addressing anyone specifically.

Ya I'm not really saying he isn't doing it, but I would rather do it myself before I decide on whether I think it is real.

Originally Posted by Avian

Even if what he is doing is aerokinesis it isn't very useful.

The ability to some what control wind is perhaps not very useful in itself, but it is a basic step in developing greater control over weather. It is practicle in that I am almost never buffeted by wind (which I feel is generally irritating and I dislike it). I go throw my whole life generally with only pleasant winds in the immediate area around me. During a heavy wind storm, if obsticles such as houses or trees are near by you can cause the relentless wind to either eddy around or blow over you. Again, not overly useful, but as I said, I do not like being buffeted by wind.

On a grander scale, how could you control weather patterns or clouds with out this skill as a starting point?

I am just tired of the people who are able to do this stuff, but they can't seem to do it in a controlled environment.
Kid 1: "I can fly!"
Kid 2: "Then show me.."
Kid 1: "No, I don't want to right now."

Please, someone who can do this stuff, come to my house, and airbend me into the air.

I think that is asking for a whole lot more than that guy is suggesting he can do in the video. ( why did he bother make my a video? Ego/money?)

Also. Not all skills can be called upon at will everytime. As an example the TV host of "River Monsters" clearly has extreme fishing skills, but no one would slight him by saying he was full of shit based on him failing to catch a fish in the first hour you were demanding proof of his ability.

Most people with these skills keep their mouths shut because it is part of yogi like spiritual training and such a person could care less about showing a loud mouth skeptic anything. Any yogi with that much training should be avoiding anything that increases his own ego, Certainly a video, Perhaps even giving a single example to people on an anonymous forum.

There are also a lot of UFO video's, but that doesn't proof anything. If anyone is able to do this, then there just has to be scientific proof of it. You can call me a skeptic, or just someone who doesn't believe anything he sees/reads on the internet.
But if it is all true, I can move objects with my mind after a lot of training? Change the weather? Control fire?

I had an experience once where I could control the weather to some degree. I could also control other things like street lights, traffic lights and house lights and I could change the outcome of future events (like making a parking spot appear or no queue at a shop, make a car change lanes, etc.).

But this all happened one week when I had sleep deprivation. I hadn't slept properly in over a week and my mind was in overdrive. Plus I was intentionally trying to force things with my mind and willpower every waking second.

I think that is the key point, most people aren't walking around trying to influence things with their mind on a regular basis. If you want to develop supernatural abilities that would be a good place to start.

Okay, this thread is getting very silly.

Have any of you considered how much matter and energy is involved in even the tiniest of weather events, not to mention the unimaginably complex interaction of trillions of separate molecules of that matter that your will must manipulate in order to gather the tiniest of clouds? Do you guys really think you have the physical power and complexity of mind on tap to make these changes? By extension, wouldn't we all have that power on tap? And by further extension, given the billions of people on this planet, wouldn't things like weather be impossible to predict, because millions of people are inadvertently changing it? And wouldn't there be utter chaos on the streets as traffic lights change suddenly at countless drivers' wills?

Everyone has walked under a street light and seen it go out or come on, seemingly just because they are there. The thing is, it would have done the same if they were not there to notice the activity. Same goes with weather, finding convenient parking spaces, traffic lights etc. etc.

It's fun to imagine that you are involved in these coincidental events, but it might not be entirely healthy to believe you are actually doing it.

And sorry Sivason, but Forg makes a good point: it is pretty amazing that everyone who claims to have these powers seems to be unable or conveniently disinterested in doing them when others are around. Yes, an aloof yogi might not care to prove himself to some skeptical lowly human, but most of the people making these claims are not aloof yogis, but people very interested in showing off.

Sorry; feeling a bit cynical this morning....

Originally Posted by sivason

I think that is asking for a whole lot more than that guy is suggesting he can do in the video. ( why did he bother make my a video? Ego/money?)

Also. Not all skills can be called upon at will everytime. As an example the TV host of "River Monsters" clearly has extreme fishing skills, but no one would slight him by saying he was full of shit based on him failing to catch a fish in the first hour you were demanding proof of his ability.

Most people with these skills keep their mouths shut because it is part of yogi like spiritual training and such a person could care less about showing a loud mouth skeptic anything. Any yogi with that much training should be avoiding anything that increases his own ego, Certainly a video, Perhaps even giving a single example to people on an anonymous forum.

Are you really telling me that anybody who develops the ability to actually use these powers chooses to use them discretely? That never in history has anybody tried to really go public with it and prove it in a controlled environment? Everyone with these powers either keeps their mouths shut or suddenly loses their powers once show time comes around, whether they are blocked by everyone's negative energy in not believing in it or not? Seriously, how much more perfect can it get? These powers therefore never have to be proven under scientific conditions, and can't be, because they aren't falsifiable.

Originally Posted by Forg

You can call me a skeptic, or just someone who doesn't believe anything he sees/reads on the internet.
But if it is all true, I can move objects with my mind after a lot of training? Change the weather? Control fire?

That seems friendly enough so I will respond.

Does there have to be scientific proof of it?
It depends on what is being claimed. The thread title uses the word 'supernatural' and I am not sure there is anything supernatural, if that means effects that can not be explained. Is what that guy in the video does supernatural? The wind blows normally. If he can exert 1000 times more control over it than a normal person, he still will have a low success rate.

Lets say (I am done claiming anything on this thread, it is against my core beliefs) I just attempted to influence the wind on my way to work. Lets suppose it was dead calm and I wanted to varify this before posting today, so I attempted to make the wind blow in a certain direction, hoping for a actual wind. Let's also say a breeze of about 2 miles per hour started in the exact direction I intended. Would this prove anything at all, even with a million observers? A 2 mile per hour wind was not odd for a calm day. How about the timing and direction? Easily written off to coincidence. No proof of any kind. Wouldn't it have been cool if the breeze hit like 25 miles per hour? Sure, but that would be a big stretch on the current actual weather.
Now let's say in an actaul 25 mile per hour breeze someone (not me, from here forward) uses their hand to show the intent of their "air bending" to observers. If that person seems to have it respond to 50% of his directions, that would be impressive to people watching who attempted the same and got 2% response (total coincidence) yet nothing at all is proven, as all of the effects would be normally pooible in that setting. For wind to come out of nowhere on a calm day and be sudden and strong is far less likely than for a strong wind to die for a few moments.


I have a story for everyone,

A person with various skills first met his step-son when he was 14. The step son admitted that the level of coincidence around these skills was weird and enough to make someone think the world was much weirder than before believed. However that person's step son asked what good such training was if every thing learned could be written off by observers. The person suggested to the boy that all manners of life benifits could be gained in private including vastly changing core things like inteligence, physical ability, and a soft life full of good fortune and happiness, not to mention rarely having to wait for traffic. Of course this was of no intrest to the boy who said he wanted to be able to do things that could be proven. He was asked if this was because he wanted to be acknowledged by others as being special and above them. He had to admit it was. Sadly, that is the oppisite of the path that would take him to any of the abilities.



[QUOTE=Forg;2130542]You can call me a skeptic, or just someone who doesn't believe anything he sees/reads on the internet.
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I wil answer this soon. I am at work and getting slammed with work.

For me it's not about scientific proof, Sivason. It is about being careful not to convince yourself that you are doing things, or capable of doing things, that you really are not doing. Kidding yourself about having powers you really do not possess might be a harmless pastime, sure, but really believing such things to the point that you boast about your ability to others can be a bit embarassing, I think -- especially when you must make excuses about why it doesn't work when others are around.

Also, assuming that we puny humans have some sort of mystical power over the physical world is a fairly megalomaniacal stance -- unless of course you believe that you are imagining your entire reality in the first place, so then I guess "there is no wind," which for me is a remarkably solipsistic stance to take. Of course, if that were true, you could change anything you wanted in your environment whenever you want to do so, just like in a dream...with the added bonus of not caring that nobody believes you, because they're all just DC's anyway!

Also, offering stories and explanations that excuse a person from backing up his claims with a little action or proof (including proof to himself) only compounds the problem and amplifies the self-delusion, I think.

tl;dr: If you believe you exist in a physical world that goes on existing when you are not in the room, then you must also follow its physical laws, and by those physical laws, humans as far as we know are simply not equipped to manipulate the elements with a gesture. However, if you believe that the entire world is a dream, and essentially exists at your personal whim, then sure, anything is possible... including definitiveky proving to yourself that you can do these things, without guesswork, assumptions, or excuses.

Sigh, should I even bother?

I finally, after years of barely saying anything other than "I do not choose to speak about myself" have the brashness to give a single example of what I am talking about, for the benefit of someone honestly wanting to know if such things exist, and now Sageous is suggesting I am embarrassing myself? I am sure more than a few members would have liked me to explain more, but clearly it is something I should continue to avoid.

Sageous, you should know for a fact by now that my belief system says this reality is composed of of what you would call thought energy, AND that I have repeatedly stated that the laws governing reality are far closer to dream energy than anything else. Also, in my belief system that fact explains how many things amazing are possible.

Pretending or falsely convincing myself? Aren't you a little pompous. Sageous, I am 43 years old with a doctorate in Pharmacy, a black belt in Jujitsu (something taking years of discipline) and by every standard very good if not mastry level in lucid dreaming and kundalini (two arts requiring years of discipline). After a lifetime of daily use of this stuff, I think I would know if I was full of shit.



Peace everyone. Those who honestly wanted an answer, you have my answer, and I will leave it in place for any hope it gives you despite it apparently being an embarrassment. I will again withhold knowledge and information from you all for the sake of my own beliefs in quiet anonymity (oh, and to avoid embarrassing myself in such a bad way.)

P.S.
Sageous, lets laugh a little and not let this come between us. Peace and love everybody. LOL And may the force be with you!!!

All apologies, Sivason.

I was not making a personal attack on you or your belief systems, I was not saying that you personally ought to be embarrassed, and I regret that you read me that way (though on rereading my post I can see how you did). I have always respected your beliefs, and am regularly impressed by your experience. In truth I was speaking in general, and honestly wasn't even considering your personal example. I was speaking more to folks who are looking at street lights and deciding they are controlling them, without taking anything else into account (like coincidence).

I believe I even acknowledged that doing these things fit into your own belief systems, didn't I? And yes, if you feed me several martinis and talk with me into the night, I very well might find myself conjecturing that one can indeed influence the weather with thought energy... but it would still be conjecture, and I will still refuse to give examples of guys who say they can change the weather, but can't actually do so when asked.

My real concern on this thread is that people be honest with themselves, first and foremost. I was not attacking you, and certainky did not intend to insult you, your beliefs, or your decsion to share your experience in any way, so I am particulary and sincerely sorry I did. I hope you'll forgive and, yes, forget.