Thread: Supernatural Abilities/Skills

^^ Well, I guess it would depend on what you consider a vacation, but I live in upstate NY, about 4 hours north of Manhattan, four hours south of Montreal, and with pretty much nothing in between except the Hudson Valley and lots of camping.

But you must know that if we meet, it would never be so that you can demonstrate anything at all, but simply so that two wanderers exploring the same unknown country might sit down and chat about our adventures... or just shoot the breeze about nothing at all, because I think we'd get along quite well (so would our wives, I think, given that they get to meet a kindred soul who had to put up with the likes of their husbands). So should you and your wife be in my neck of the woods, let me know; but be assured that you will not be asked to prove anything!

I asked my wife and that area would be new to us, so it is possible at some point. What is the best time for tourist to come?

Originally Posted by sivason

Have seen and done many things. I can prove none of them. I also choose to not talk about this stuff much, for the sake of ego. I do not know how to assure you powers exist without talking about myself.

People can have fairly strong effects on weather, such as travelling to Seattle and having perfect blue skies for the whole time (sounds unlikely doesn't it?) or having the seas become unnaturally calm when going out on a tour boat.

People can open up seemingly impossible gaps in severe traffic (perhaps a driver stops traffic to let you in).

People can send out energy just before going up to the front of a busy store and be the first person let into a newly opened line.

A highly trained Kundalini master could even sometimes open holes in the clouds in the middle of a storm, or cause the wind to stop for a few seconds.

The more intense and supernatural seeming the attempt the less often the event could be repeated.

A strange effect happens when a kundalini master tries to show off. The less honest and humble the situation the less likely to have an effect.

One of these people may for instance open a hole in a sky deep with storm clouds directly above a crowd of 12 witnesses when their intent was to teach a close group of friends, but that same person would likely be unable to demonstrate anything if the intent was to gain fame.

I can not offer proof and only hope knowing that a some what reasonable anonymous DV personality claims these things are true may give you a hint of hope that the world is weirder than many think.

This is really similar to how I feel, and for me substituting a "kundalini" person for just anyone with extended perception or unconscious intention. I think that is great how you worded the way things work for close friends and not when showing off or trying to prove these things. At least to the masses. The times I've tried to "show" Reiki to people just for the sake of proving that I can do it or that it is real, are 9 times out of 10 going to fail. Then the actual times I get serious and heal are the times that people feel physical sensations and physiological changes. Chaos magick has worked a little different for me, but again changes have always been facilitated covertly and run the risk of backfiring. Reiki healing, meditation and aura reading all seem to work well with genuine intentions so long as its not about whos right and whos wrong. And it makes total sense with shamanistic viewpoints as well, as there is so much more unknown to the world/universe and weirdness is acceptable.

Originally Posted by sivason

I asked my wife and that area would be new to us, so it is possible at some point. What is the best time for tourist to come?

Summer and Fall are best, I think.

WoW I just had a dream (!!!)

It had a specific object in it, at the end, as I rose to waking consciousness, Ha! Our Dreaming Mind is going to show me the objects to use for my 2015 dream game.

It did that in 2008. I totally forgot.

Next, like in 2008, Our Dreaming Mind,will synchronsticly bring the dream objects to me in waking reality.

My experience from 2008 is that there is only one, single, Dreaming Mind. And Our dream reality and waking, (physical) reality is all the same to "It".

It is like "we" of the waking-world are just dream characters in "Our Dreaming Mind's" Lucid Dream.

I think supernatural abilities are a cool idea and while I can't say I deny their existence, I am inclined to believe that they are nothing more than wishful thinking. I have thought for many years on the following question: what makes humans different from other animals? Why do we build cities but beavers don't? They are capable of doing it, so why don't they? And once when I was in the wilderness, far away from any human settlement, I realized why. Humans all want to be god. I don't know why, but everyone feels it. A lot of people deny it but they are just kidding themselves. I seriously doubt that there has been any person - who is not significantly different from normal people - who has never felt the urge to be powerful. This can manifest in mere ambition. Looking at a field and thinking "wow, I could build a great farm there" is a form of this. Animals do many things similar to humans, but the difference is the reason. They are one with nature, in that they don't go against the natural flow of things. They do what they need to survive, and they are content. Humans not only want to survive, but we want to go beyond that. It is not "can we be prosperous?", it is "how prosperous can we be?". One thing I do not know if I will ever know though; why are we like this?

Originally Posted by sivason

Sigh, should I even bother?

I finally, after years of barely saying anything other than ..............

Sivason, have a snickers bar and get some sleep. You're a b@tch when you're hungry.

Hi all, I want to discuss a topic that will make some of you uneasy. It may also seem likea "convinent excuss" which may make some irritated. However, my only intent here is to share an idea based on my own experience and understanding.

First, to proceed we must either accept or reject one core concept, that is that their are disembodied awarenesses in the universe. By this I mean a force that is not human or embodied, but one that can observe the universe and have an opinion on what it sees. The most common idea in tis line of thought would be GOD. Other lines of thought could be ancestors, angels, god-like entities and so on.

Is it random chance that almost every historical (lore/oral tradition/biblical) figure who had much super natural power was a holy man?

My first point is that while I made some claims that may seem fantastic, I never view these things as ME doing them. I am perhaps one of the only people I have seen use such things. However, I am a deaply religious person. Not the type who reads the bible alot, but a man who has a obsessivily passionate love affair with God. I honestly pray perhaps 200 times daily. It is never a prayer asking for anything, but instead thanking God for everything. I have spent ridiculous amounts of my time and energy romancing God.

Perhaps you are not seeing my point yet. I never feel as if I have done something when a power manifests. I feel as if I was allowed access to something, and blessed with the help of a higher force.

So here is my point in terms the younger generation may understand from Dungeons and Dragons or other role playing. Those games group magic users into two basic groups cleric/priests and wizards. What I am talking about 100%+ is from the first group.




Second, We must now consider the nature of the person who will be "doing" the super natural thing. Factors that are real to me, are the state of the energy body, the awareness level, and the training of the person.

Here I will bring in another concept that either must be considered or rejected. You can reject it, and there fore the entire arrgument, but again, I am only trying to share things that I have experience with. That concept is "reincarnation." If we accept that a person may live many lives we now can introduce another layer. That is, that the sort of factor mentioned above can be built upon over many life times.

Here you have a situation were a skill may be far beyond what can be achieved in a human life time. The level of power (magnitude), the form (lack of chaos) in the energy body needed to manipulate the fabric of "the Dream" may be just too much to achieve in 100 or less years.


I have to go so I will wrap this up. I just want to give you all an idea of what I mean. If anyone shows intrest I may say more later, or interact on the topic.


People say that if abilities exist then someone should be showing them off. The first obsticle is that the person must have obtained such a state of energy awareness, magintude, and lack of chaos in the energy body, that it could be the work of many lives. Thus, very few would be able to develop such powers if this life is their first effort into this.

Next, The power that a person can achieve with out help is limited. Say the talented person can be very fortunate, read tarot cards very well, and sometimes pick up on subtle things such as others thoughts, or impending danger. The person is a fine tuned insterment, but lacks the force needed to drastically alter the world outside normal channels.

Then we have truely impressive feats such as weather control. It is only when a person has the good will and help of "the powers that be" (regardless of religions belief system) that these things happen. This person may be able to witness all manner of amazing things, such as effecting the wind, moving clouds, flawless timing and luck when it is "just them and GOD." And why not, God is their beloved and perhaps God is actually very found of them in return.

They may be able to demonstrate powers to those they are honestly trying to teach or stear towards understanding. So, this person may be known by others as a person who can preform minor miricules.

However, then they want to demonstrate for less noble reasons, such as showing off or proving. Well, in that setting you would be kind of bragging, "look how cool I am, God is my bitch. Dance God, impress my friends, so they will honor all mighty me."




Ok, now I am rambling. I do not even have time to proof read what I just typed, so I hope it makes some sense. I am willing to talk more about what I mean if anyone cares.

Basically, here is your answer to why those skills are not commonly known or why they fail when a doubter is watching.

Sound like an excuse? I can not help how it sounds. It is reality from my point of view, and I am just sharing.



Peace be with you.

Sviason, I believe you speak the truth. I have seen many things in my life time. I am a skeptic by nature and believe that being a skeptic is very healthy. That being said, I know where you are coming from. The reason I believe what you are saying is because everything you have said makes sense. To put it in such a way as this must have taken so much experience and time, really. I appreciate your tenacity and your will to show others the way. It makes a lot of sense that these things cannot be proven because in essence God is no mere play thing, He, it, She, whatever is not some child's toy or a grunt to be commanded around. Such a thing does not beget Him. Why then, should he, have to prove Himself more than he already has? You are alive aren't you? You breathe, you mate, see, you love, you hate, you feel, you hurt, and you deviate from the course that is. You have free will. Such a thing is not to be taken lightly, and to command such power at a whim could never logically work. God exists in everything, as everything, and for to be proven any further than that is without point. So, it is easy to see now why such things are beyond scientific study in the normal sense. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try, however. I think in due time, things will reveal themselves to us, just as God intended it. Perhaps it is that we are not ready for it, the wisest of the wise have told us so. So, I believe you sviason, I think this is all quite real, and can be if we allow it. Some things, here and there, are bullshit and just wishful thinking, but if we will it, there will be a way. Reality is exactly how we make it, exactly as it is meant to be, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Consider evolution and the scope of the universe as well. To think you are the center of all things is an arrogant disposition and an highly unlikely one. There are literally billions of galaxies out there, 1 civilization might know a little more then the next off the strength of evolutionary experience and just maybe what we call super natural is basic stuff in some other corners of the universe. We are just a fraction of what is out there to be learned and developed open your mind and your heart and you will know more. - namaste

I just flew around the earth, I am able to create portals to other dimensions, I am able to cure people from diseases by only thinking about it.

Do you believe this?

Originally Posted by Forg

I just flew around the earth, I am able to create portals to other dimensions, I am able to cure people from diseases by only thinking about it.

Do you believe this?

WOW! That is amazing!!! How do you do it?

Not going to say. I do know how, but I won't say it because I don't need to. If I say it, then it will just be for my ego, I will be like: "Look at how much I know!". And I don't want that so yeah. But it is true!

Understand my point :-D?

Originally Posted by Forg

Not going to say. I do know how, but I won't say it because I don't need to. If I say it, then it will just be for my ego, I will be like: "Look at how much I know!". And I don't want that so yeah. But it is true!

Understand my point :-D?

Oh hey, I can totally relate to that! No worries. If I could fly and do that other stuff I certainly would not care if strangers on the internet belived me. You must have a very fufilled and exciting life! With so many positive things in your life, I am sure the opinion of strangers means nothing to you.

I wonder if you can help me out? I have a very sick ferret; he has congestive heart failure. If you can send some healing his way, I would be overjoyed. His name is Cinder and he is in Boise, Idaho. Wow, I sure got lucky that I ran into perhaps the only man around who can help. My wife will be so happy. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by sivason

Oh hey, I can totally relate to that! No worries. If I could fly and do that other stuff I certainly would not care if strangers on the internet belived me. You must have a very fufilled and exciting life! With so many positive things in your life, I am sure the opinion of strangers means nothing to you.

I wonder if you can help me out? I have a very sick ferret; he has congestive heart failure. If you can send some healing his way, I would be overjoyed. His name is Cinder and he is in Boise, Idaho. Wow, I sure got lucky that I ran into perhaps the only man around who can help. My wife will be so happy. Thanks in advance.

...Can't tell if sarcasm or not...

^^ I Can...

This thread has gotten so far off topic... I conclude that no one on dreamviews has supernatural abilities.. although I have seen certain claims of such..

Originally Posted by Avian

This thread has gotten so far off topic... I conclude that no one on dreamviews has supernatural abilities.. although I have seen certain claims of such..

My opinion is there is a 3rd party involved. This 3rd party does ALL the magic.

Originally Posted by Avian

I am looking for reports of supernatural abilities of any kind. This could be a mundane skill such as fighting or acrobatics learned from a dream, knowledge attained from dreaming that one could not have previously known (for example a language), or even better an ability that is abnormal or seemingly impossible such as empathy. I'm not necessarily saying I believe in these things; I just want to know if anyone has experienced them.

Great thread Avian

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I like post #32.

Originally Posted by sivason

Theory 1:

some powerful people are allied with forces that have conciousness but are disembodied. These allies help when and if they think it is good. They don't give a rats fart for the ego of the person and flat out get irritate at being asked for help to "show off." That is not a joke.

I think ALL people are allied with THE third party)

Theory 2: it could be a coincident that a river dries up the night an army needs to cross, perhaps. That river has stopped flowing a few times in history due to landslides. However, the fact that it happened the day it was needed is a miracle and if you shrug it off then you will write off any miracle as a coincidence and that is your loss.

(I think that synchronicity (coincidence) is the footprint of the 3rd party.)

Oh... By-the-way ... My Avatar IS the 3rd party

See point 1:46 of this 3:07 YouTube hahaha

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Edit: changed "in" to "is"

Originally Posted by Avian

This thread has gotten so far off topic... I conclude that no one on dreamviews has supernatural abilities.. although I have seen certain claims of such..

Hi Avian, can you explain what you mean by going off topic? I have not seen any of the posts going off topic at all? How does the content of this thread differ from what you hoped for?


Also, you draw a broad conclusion from so little a sampling. You also mention seeing "certain claims of such." Perhaps this would be your conclusion no matter what members shared here, or can you tell me what sort of post a member could make that could have lead you away from such a strong conclusion?



Please note that there is nothing anyone could say on a forum that would change someone's firmly established beliefs. The nature of this thread basically begs anyone who would have answered in the positive to step forward and subject themselves to rudeness and people hoping to make them look foolish. So, imagine a few people live in a much more exciting world than most, why would they bother with saying so on an Internet forum? (Unless perhaps they felt one reader out there needed to hear what they said )Seems like a huge waste of time. Sadly, such people could probably share much, but considering the nature of Internet forums, it is unlikely they will waste their time. Have fun all, peace be with you.

Well it is extremely off-topic in the way that ...well ... it is.. The discussion is simply different than the original post. As for your other arguments... I don't really have an opinion. You might be right, though.

Originally Posted by Avian

Well it is extremely off-topic in the way that ...well ... it is.. The discussion is simply different than the original post. As for your other arguments... I don't really have an opinion. You might be right, though.

The posts being made are efforts to prove points about the main-topic, so they're pretty on topic if I do say so myself.

Claims that people on DV do or do not, and similarly can or cannot have these abilities or powers does about as much in proving anything as saying it is impossible. Yes, it spurs discussion, but truly anybody's opinion on the matter isn't going to make it so. You would do better trying to prove or disprove things or discuss how, rather than waste time trying to discuss if.

Everything I've seen posted to this point has been on topic maybe the burden of proof lies with someone who claims supernatural abilities and then spending some time with them I'm pretty sure Michael Grubbs door is open if u reach out 2 him he's a teacher so he wants to demonstrate. - namaste

The burden of proof does lie with those making claims against the grain, but like drug addicts, we cannot change unless we will it to be. So, if you want to believe, the evidence is there. Being a skeptic is healthy, there is nothing wrong with it. That being said, if you are dead set in not believing, you never will, and no one but you can change that.

I didn't read most of the posts, as it started to get uninteresting (no offense - I mean that), but I just thought I'd say that I have quite a bit of psychic skill. I don't care to elaborate, as I'll just get people telling me I'm crazy, but I just thought I'd say that "magic" - if you can call it that - is indeed real. It isn't "magic," it's innate in us all. Just like in a dream, you have to believe for it to be possible. More so in WL. Believing isn't the only aspect, but perhaps the biggest. This is why I posted. To hopefully instill SOME belief that the extraordinary is possible. I suppose I could give one example of a skill. Time is very mutli-dimensional to me. I see things that end up happening quite often (in dreams, in vision, in sixth sense). Usually it is spontaneous, but as of late it has got to the point that, for whatever reason, I can tell what song is going to come on next on the radio, sometimes only within a fraction of a second, sometimes within a few seconds. I have on many occasions freaked out friends with this "parlor trick." It happens with almost every song now. My friends have noticed many psychic things about me. Like I said, it happens often with me. My friends and family are well aware of it. It's funny the rumors I hear about me sometimes. People who meet me for the first time, whom are friends of friends, say, "You're the dude that can do X?" Always makes me smile. Whatever story it is the friend told their friend. I didn't use to always be like this. It took a NDE to speed up the process of "awakening." I've talked too much. You probably think I'm nuts. Which is half right.