Thread: Lucid Waking Life

Observing your own thoughts. Removing your past experience and current emotions from the equation.

Removing past experience can be challenging because the illusory thoughts of a past can be so visceral I end up convinced I have that past.

My goal is to aknowledge that the visceral nature of experience is just another aspect of dreaming

sivason can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he means is to focus on the Now, and in an objective, not subjective manner. Experience the Now as it actually is and not shaded by past experience and current emotions. Direct perception with no filters. Pure awareness and nothing more.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

sivason can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he means is to focus on the Now, and in an objective, not subjective manner. Experience the Now as it actually is and not shaded by past experience and current emotions. Direct perception with no filters. Pure awareness and nothing more.

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. It may be difficult, as it is counter to instinct. Just like it is hard for most to think rationally in the middle of a crisis.

Originally Posted by Wisher

Removing past experience can be challenging because the illusory thoughts of a past can be so visceral I end up convinced I have that past.

My goal is to aknowledge that the visceral nature of experience is just another aspect of dreaming

You do not remove past experience, you remove past experience and current emotion from the equation, becoming an observer

Originally Posted by sivason

You do not remove past experience, you remove past experience and current emotion from the equation, becoming an observer

What about memory and self awareness? How can you realize you're in a dream if you merely observe and not try to figure out if your current situation makes logical sense in regards to your person?

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

What about memory and self awareness? How can you realize you're in a dream if you merely observe and not try to figure out if your current situation makes logical sense in regards to your person?

I think the O.P. is not about lucid dreaming, at all.

In waking life, we do not find oddities such as too many fingers.

If I am correct, the O.P. is about the fact that in many spiritual trains of thought, the waking world is considered to be a massively stable shared dream.

It seems very solid, but the basic concept that most can sort of grasp is E=MC2 which expresses that everything is "energy" even matter. Deeper understanding shows even the atoms are not solid but made of wave forms. Beyond that point all logic fails and we are left with something that is "energy" and somehow arranges itself so that it appears this world exists.

Appears like this world exists? From our point it DOES exist, but in this line of thought, dreams DO exist, and the waking world is just an amazingly advanced and overwhelmingly stable dream of some much higher and hard to grasp force, be it God-like or that plus the combined force of all living things.

If I understand the O.P. they are asking how each of us can do the equivalent of attaining lucidity, but inside this dream (waking life)



I am going to move this thread to "Beyond Dreaming" so no one will confuse it with a lucid dreaming the normal sense. Plus others who will want to talk about this subject may not spot it here.

Like being rational in crisis.. Hmm that resonates with this idea well. The seemingly endless flow of life's illusion can appear overwhelming when viewing it from the subjective view, the objective view of reality however intimidates me because it means I am something besides human; at least the way I had previously thought humans to be.

Like being rational in crisis.. Hmm that resonates with this idea well. The seemingly endless flow of life's illusion can appear overwhelming when viewing it from the subjective view, the objective view of reality however intimidates me because it means I am something besides human; at least the way I had previously thought humans to be.

I sometimes have a brief moment of a totally different perception of life when I just wake up from sleep. I feel like those moments works something like a computer that just have been turned on. That it takes a moment before the computer have start up all it's programs. So within that space before the program have started up, there is something totally new and fresh. Well that is what I have recalled from those brief moment of realization before my mind starts to run all the thinking and old pattern of what I think I "know". However, your post reminded me of one of these waking up realizations that happened around two weeks ago. I was waking up, I dont remember if It was by myself or by my alarm clock. But i remember that I just woke up, and looked out in the room and had an instant realization that nothing of this world was real, and that I and everyone else was just pure illusion. I felt my body and couldnt really relate to it as me or mine. That realization felt like waking up in a lucid dream. Everything felt so alien to me as soon as I realized that every one and I was playing these rolls as these "I" without knowing about the illusion of it all. I felt that as both quite frightening/confusing, but stil curious enough to wana explore this realization further if that would be the case. All this usually happens within a couple of seconds, and I then just find myself back in my old regular thinking pattern recognized as "me".

Originally Posted by DreamyBear

I sometimes have a brief moment of a totally different perception of life when I just wake up from sleep. I feel like those moments works something like a computer that just have been turned on. That it takes a moment before the computer have start up all it's programs. So within that space before the program have started up, there is something totally new and fresh. Well that is what I have recalled from those brief moment of realization before my mind starts to run all the thinking and old pattern of what I think I "know". However, your post reminded me of one of these waking up realizations that happened around two weeks ago. I was waking up, I dont remember if It was by myself or by my alarm clock. But i remember that I just woke up, and looked out in the room and had an instant realization that nothing of this world was real, and that I and everyone else was just pure illusion. I felt my body and couldnt really relate to it as me or mine. That realization felt like waking up in a lucid dream. Everything felt so alien to me as soon as I realized that every one and I was playing these rolls as these "I" without knowing about the illusion of it all. I felt that as both quite frightening/confusing, but stil curious enough to wana explore this realization further if that would be the case. All this usually happens within a couple of seconds, and I then just find myself back in my old regular thinking pattern recognized as "me".

I dont believe I've had exactly that experience before but I feel like I understand what you mean.

Actually, just the other day I was thinking about hypnagogic imagery. I was lying in bed right after waking up and I had several hypnagogic visions. They were as weak as a vivid daydream yet as persistent as waking reality. I couldn't control any of them yet I knew that they were just hypnagogic images. I kept falling into the belief that they were reality as I was still on the border of waking and dreaming. Still even though I knew it was just a vision I couldn't control anything.

That got me thinking. I'm very consciously aware that reality is dream and just like those hypnagogic visions I can't quite control reality to the degree that I would like to. Its very possible, especially considering WILD that reality is a very impressionable hypnagogic vision. Maybe all dreams are?

To become more lucid, try constantly balancing your awareness of everything. It's going to require a lot of conscious effort at first, and it's pretty much ADA, but that's how you do it. At first to condition yourself you would likely have to keep asking questions and remind yourself to keep awareness of as much as you can. What are you doing right now? What were you doing just a few seconds ago, not too long ago though. What are you about to do? What are the people around you doing? What is the world around you doing? What temperature is it? Are you comfortable? Are you hungry or tired? Are you happy, sad, mad, anxious? What does it smell like right now? How fast does time seem to be going? What time is it? What time do you think it about is without looking at a clock? What does holding something specifically feel like? What is the texture like, and is it wet, slimy, or dry? It's a lot to take in, but you are capable. Your mind had to do this as a child before you built up enough memory of everything that is happening around you that you could start taking shortcuts to think about hypotheticals. When you saw someone riding a bike and about to hit a bump, you didn't know they would probably crash and that crashing hurt. You took what people said literally despite certain idioms and the inflection of their voice. Now you have to forget what you think you know, and seek to find out what is actually happening rather than what you believe is happening.

^ Come to think of it, I've seen people suggest treating real life as if it were a lucid dream, and I think the idea is the same: In a LD, things are exciting; even the most ordinary things are interesting and new to us because we know unexpected things can happen in a dream, so we tend to pay a lot more attention. It's like being a child in a brand new universe with different natural laws. Having the same attitude in the waking world means paying a lot of attention to everything you are used to ignoring. It's actually a fairly simple idea, even though trying to explain it in words often seems to make it sound difficult and complicated.

Thanks so much for the input guys. Meaningful conversation about these topics has been rare. The feedback helps explore these ideas further.

I like that Travis E., awareness is key and I have started with all-day-awareness, ADA. My routine has been to constantly check in with my thougts, acknowledging them without identifying with them. My current mind is untrained in awareness. Still, like a newborn birthed into less than ideal conditions, my fate is not decided by my initial setting. Any rags to riches story echos agreement. Through training the mind in awareness, latent potential manifests enriching this dreamscape to our liking.

Also, I am finding Lucid Awakening for this life calls for a major Paradigm Shift. In a lucid world no physical conditions need to be met. There is no brain, no REM, no gravity etc. as they have been known until now. That said, when discussing this concept I challenge to think entirely outside the box of a physical world. Lucid logic is NOT the same as physical. Lucid Awakening calls or the end or transcendence of the era of Classical Physics/Logic as many of the old rules simply do not apply.

Increasingly Lucid Dreaming inspires the mental shift to a New Era of Thought.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

sivason can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he means is to focus on the Now, and in an objective, not subjective manner.

Experience the Now as it actually is and not shaded by past experience and current emotions.

Direct perception with no filters.

Pure awareness and nothing more.

This idea of Lucid Waking Life is very interesting. In the Youtube "Waking Life" a guy tells the main character that

Well here is what he says:

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Trapped in a Dream | Waking Life Transcript - Chapter 18

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It's really confusing

but (imo) chapter 18 is saying that the journey has already ended but I'm not ready to accept that yet, or the devil is keeping me from that Truth (that I am already Home).

To accept it I just got to wake-up, while awake. I do that by just observing without endlessly judging everything. Make that a habit and the delusion disappears, time disappears, and I'll see that I'm already home and free.

But I haven't done it yet.

This thread reminds my to give it a go.

Ebbtide what do you expect to achieve through observation? I practice all day awareness as well. For me it is in hopes that I catch something that tips me off just enough to realize the dream around me

Originally Posted by Wisher

Ebbtide what do you expect to achieve through observation?

I practice all day awareness as well.

For me it is in hopes that I catch something that tips me off just enough to realize the dream around me

Wisher

I don't have any practices.

My interest is post #1 of this:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...-reloaded.html

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(imo) When two or more participate in light-hearted, friendly dream-games a "third party", enthusiastically, joins in.

When the "third party" joins in, massive, off-the-scale, waking-life synchronicities kick- in. And we are home.

Originally Posted by Wisher

For me it is in hopes that I catch something that tips me off just enough to realize the dream around me

I recommend looking at shows that talk about the cosmos. The stuff we are learning about the universe now is unbelievable. I mean that literally! It is not believable. Look at the fact that there is infinite space, and apparently infinite time. There are so many star systems that if you 'dreamt' one up every minute and moved on, you would not have been able to dream them all in thousands of years, but they are not simple thoughts, they are star systems. There are black holes with a billion times the mass of our sun, and so on. Now, look at biology or any earth science; it is way too complex! The fact that hydrogen some how became a penguin is 'unbelievable' and that should make it easy to see the truth. None of this is real.

The one answer that easily fits all of this, is that it is a dream. In a dream of divine proportion 'of course hydrogen can become a penguin' and 'of course there is no limit on space.' The divine dreamer would simply need to imagine it bigger and it would be bigger. How big? No limit! How unlikely of an event could occur? Well as unlikely as hydrogen turning into the internet and allowing me to rant about how unbelievable penguins are.

Originally Posted by sivason

I recommend looking at shows that talk about the cosmos. The stuff we are learning about the universe now is unbelievable. I mean that literally! It is not believable.

Look at the fact that there is infinite space, and apparently infinite time. There are so many star systems that if you 'dreamt' one up every minute and moved on, you would not have been able to dream them all in thousands of years, but they are not simple thoughts, they are star systems. There are black holes with a billion times the mass of our sun, and so on. Now, look at biology or any earth science; it is way too complex!

The fact that hydrogen some how became a penguin is 'unbelievable' and that should make it easy to see the truth. None of this is real.

The one answer that easily fits all of this, is that it is a dream.

In a dream of divine proportion 'of course hydrogen can become a penguin' and 'of course there is no limit on space.'

The divine dreamer would simply need to imagine it bigger and it would be bigger. How big? No limit! How unlikely of an event could occur?

Well as unlikely as hydrogen turning into the internet and allowing me to rant about how unbelievable penguins are.

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Originally Posted by Wisher

I'm new but I hope this is the right spot for this.

I have had many lucid dreams in the past and I, like many of you, am aware that waking life is the same as dream .

I have tried many methods to become lucid in waking life (within boundaries of waking safety) but the results have been weaker than I would hope.

I think it is because in other dreams where I become lucid I tell myself I will wake up in another location but with this dream of waking life becoming lucid would mean there is no place to wake up to.

Here are some things I do to attain waking lucidity:

-State checks (from crazy like icebolts from my eyes to light switch)

-Self recorded guided meditation for lucidity

-Awareness training

-I carry a dream totem bracelet as a reminder

-Vision Board

-Write predictions for the day/month/years and check off those that come true

-Read lucidity articles/books

-Books on reality creation/law of attraction

What are some good ways you have come across to be lucid in waking life?

Extra note:

-I leave my guided meditation playing in my home 24/7 and plan to do so for a month as a way of mental reprogramming. It has only been 10 days so 20 more to go

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Ehh ... I thought this would get more attention. Maybe I'm just dreaming its not getting attention? Yohohoho

Wisher

I have an affirmation that I mentally chant:

"Everything is perfect and I am all ways prepared."

In 2007 I got the "The Secret" DVD. I made-up the "every thing is perfect" part of the affirmation first. Then I would take a bus to Henley Beach Jetty. I would walk from Henley Beach Jetty along the sea-strands to the Grange Jetty. And when no one was in ear-shot I would SHOUT at the waves, "Everyrhing is Perfect".

Then I would explain to the water, around my feet, what I meant.

When I got stronger I began walking back from Grange Beach Jetty chanting, "I am all ways prepared" then I'd explain to the waves what I meant by that.

I did that 3 times a week. I got stronger and stronger. Then on Saturday 1-March-2008 I had a dream that brought me online and I got to know The legendary share dreamer Dr Robert Van De Castle. See the link in my signature for more on That Late, Great, dream researcher.

He worked with me and we built (in the dreamworld) my avatar and anchored it between the two jetties. So that, some day, dreamer’s would discover it and use it as a portal to share-dream on the beach between the two jetties.

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Experience the off-the-scale waking-life synchronicities that share-dreaming causes.

Here is two powerful share dreaming experiments to try.

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http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ml#post2159428

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http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...-reloaded.html

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I hope to get strong enough to walk from Henley Beach Jetty to Grange Beach Jetty chanting:

"Everything is Perfect"

The, when I get strong enough I will turn around and walk back from the Grange Beach Jetty to Henley Beach Jetty chanting:

"I am all ways Prepared"

And make sure that the great connective ocean knows exactly what I mean.

Yea EbbTide!

Lol this thread is so funny. I never really even used a forum before this OP XD

*moment of silent reminiscence*

But yea Im starting to really like affirmations as well and use them daily.

Also, I had a "precog" dream last night for the first time! It was kinda like my first lucid dream in that I didn't expect it or even try to have one it just happened? So I dreamed, nonlucid, that I had something personal i wanted that I knew I didn't have in waking life. When I woke up I thought, 'oh haha silly me I was dreaming' and then later today out of the blue I got that very thing!

It got me thinking, do u remember that scene in The Secret where they talk about visualization and the guy is imagining he has a race car? Its the funny scene where he is in a living room and just pretending he has it XD

I was thinking lucid dreaming is the same as visualization but sooo much more detailed. I have played with shouting an affirmation in my lucids but now I am excited to play with visualization. I'm surprised this never occurred to me before today

Originally Posted by Wisher

Yea EbbTide!

Lol this thread is so funny. I never really even used a forum before this OP XD

*moment of silent reminiscence*

But yea I'm starting to really like affirmations as well and use them daily.

Also, I had a "precog" dream last night for the first time! It was kinda like my first lucid dream in that I didn't expect it or even try to have one it just happened? So I dreamed, nonlucid, that I had something personal i wanted that I knew I didn't have in waking life. When I woke up I thought, 'oh haha silly me I was dreaming' and then later today out of the blue I got that very thing!

It got me thinking, do u remember that scene in The Secret where they talk about visualization and the guy is imagining he has a race car? Its the funny scene where he is in a living room and just pretending he has it XD

I was thinking lucid dreaming is the same as visualization but sooo much more detailed. I have played with shouting an affirmation in my lucids but now I am excited to play with visualization. I'm surprised this never occurred to me before today

Wisher

I found both the full 1 hour 31 minute DVD film and the full ♡(4:08:44) 4 hour 8 minute and 44 seconds audio book.


The full DVD of "The Secret"

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https://youtu.be/_JVs-OUs4UQ

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Under this Youtube it reads:

The Secret - Law Of Attraction (FULL MOVIE) **LIFE CHANGING**

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Published on Aug 5, 2014***I DO NOT OWN ANY COPYRIGHTS OF THIS CONTENT**

I'm Uploading This Piece Of Content Because I Feel It Has Changed Me FOREVER Since I've Applied THE LAW OF ATTRACTION To My Life.. I Feel Anyone Seeking Success Or Just A Better "YOU" All Around Should Watch The Movie.. I've Probably Watched This 6x. In Love With It.. If Your In The Network Marketing Industry Or On One Of My Teams I STRONGLY Recommend Watching This Finish Til End.. ENJOY =)



And



The secret audio book

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https://youtu.be/1f4rA6OcVNo

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Under this Youtube it reads:

The Secret by Rhonda Byrne Audiobook Full

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Published on Apr 17, 2015



I ♥ The Secret. Thanx, Wisher, for reminding me about it. It was the beginning of my "Sacred Beach" Project back in 2007.

Here is the Wikipedia

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The Secret (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hi,
observing your thoughts and emotions is a good way. Btw, I've come across a book by Rudolf Steiner named "How to know higher worlds". It's kinda of esoteric manual but a good part of the books speaks about the control over emotions and thoughts and etc. aka useful for lucid waking life. There is also parts about changes in the dream life after practicing the suggested exercises,techniques. So is a win win book

I bet, thank you kenietz.

I imagine being able to manage emotions and thoughts would have quite the impact on experience in general. I'll check out the book.