Even if today you would have technology that would let you see what two people are dreaming of in high definition, you would not see exactly the same dream on both of them. |
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If you want proof than exchanging a pssword and all things reported exactly the same by two dreamers who have never met. |
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Last edited by Sivason; 04-02-2015 at 06:06 AM.
Even if today you would have technology that would let you see what two people are dreaming of in high definition, you would not see exactly the same dream on both of them. |
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Last edited by user5659; 04-02-2015 at 01:06 PM.
And on top of Sivason's and Flowofmysoul's excellent points/examples there is yet another problem: as far as we know, there is no ANSI code, no HTML, for telepathic communication. In other words, Sivason's examples may even be too generous, because what is coming out of one person's mind may have nothing at all to do with what another mind might recognize as anything, much less an intended symbol or message. |
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I understand your thoughts, I had same thoughts some time ago. But it is much better then you think it is. First of all, transmitting a cat image isn't the best idea, you have to create a cat in your dream, that will work better. If you believe what you have made is a cat, then your partner will see a cat. If you will make something that does not look to you like a cat, then your partner will be confused too. |
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Last edited by user5659; 04-02-2015 at 07:21 PM.
^^ That is all good (and pretty nice, I must agree), but what then comprises telepathy communications? I think they would tend to work the same as shared dreaming, in terms of exchanging information or emotions. But let's assume for a moment that telepathy communications exist: |
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Last edited by Sageous; 04-02-2015 at 08:10 PM.
I know they are not misunderstood from my experience. I am not sure how this communication formed in first place, but I know it is working well. |
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Last edited by user5659; 04-02-2015 at 08:42 PM.
There seems to me to be an additional difficulty with concrete facts, besides them being hard to generate unambiguously from feelings. Some things are very clear to me while I'm dreaming, but I can't bring them out of the dream. I think there's a reason for that besides physiological limitations. Some facts belong only in particular contexts, and it is harmful to force them to exist elsewhere. I feel that and experience some of the harm of forcing it, even though I don't understand the reasons for it. |
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Our debate seems to have ground to a halt, or perhaps a level of equilibrium, so I'm hoping we can extend the debate from “proving” the existence of shared dreaming (I honestly never asked to debate proof of SD’s existence anyway) towards debating what shared dreaming might physically be -- what is its nature? So, for the sake of debate, let’s assume for now that SD exists*, and debate now how it functions in reality: |
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Sure LUCID DREAMS are all fun and games until someone loses a third eye.
I've been wondering about this for last two years, I have many different thoughts and ideas and many of them are mutually exclusive. When you will start building ideas on mechanics of SD, you will realize how much more there is. For a reason I don't think this is a coincidence, many people whom I know who are into shared dreaming and starting to think of a model, are getting interested in afterlife model instead of SD model. |
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^^ So what are some of those thoughts and ideas, if you'd like to share? |
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Here we must take one of at least two distinct paths. |
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Physics tells us that there is the physical realm of solid particles and the quantum realm. We're all familiar with the physical, but if this is true, why should the quantum realm be cut of from us. I personally think the dream wold is the quantum realm, and according to those rules, shared dreaming is not that far fetched. |
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^^ Actually, nobody is demanding proof at this point, and as OP I was never demanding it. |
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Last edited by Sageous; 04-07-2015 at 04:15 AM.
Seeing (the fact that you are an observer) |
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"Our-Dreaming-Mind" begins teaching (in a light, fun and friendly way) as soon as we participate in a (light, fun and friendly) dream game. |
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I don't want to post something big and is not ready, something that I am not sure of. Time goes and I am getting more experience and doing notes, trying to build this schema in my head. |
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Last edited by user5659; 04-07-2015 at 10:45 AM.
I think that speculating about mechanisms is hopeless. It would only work if some mechanism which is already known in another context could be recognized as potentially applicable here. But I think we can rule that out, no known mechanisms are even close to fitting the symptoms. And new mechanisms don't become known by speculative discussion, without having the tools to take something apart and study it. It would be like trying to derive the physics of how a semiconductor works from scratch by talking about it at a coffee shop, without ever working in a lab. Or figuring out how our kidneys work by talking about it without already knowing a lot of biochemistry. You can't do it. Dream experiments are helpful and necessary, but this isn't what I mean by lab work either, because we're still not dealing directly with how it works. And after a while we exhaust the pool of potentially new anecdotal clues that we're capable of generating also. Personally I've mostly given up on that topic too. Not that other people have to give up, I'm just saying what I see. I still believe in progress, but think it has to come in other areas. |
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^^ Speculation here on this subject was meant to be fun, and perhaps stir our imaginations. I held no assumptions that we were going to unearth the mechanics of shared dreaming on this thread, and I certainly do not feel that must happen in order for a conversation to be had at all. In some venues (forum threads, for instance) discussions about, say, how kidneys work, could be a lot of fun, even if no truths are uncovered and everyone is wrong. |
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Last edited by Sageous; 04-10-2015 at 05:17 AM.
Pixies. Pixies may have something to do with it. Maybe it does not matter if we say Fairies, Pixies, or Angels. However, perhaps some form of intermediary little spirit could act to take the images back and forth. Sort of like this. Pixie, tell Sageous I said, "I am not nearly drunk enough." |
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Last edited by Sivason; 04-10-2015 at 03:30 PM.
Something like pixies is definitely involved in my case. No pixies, no dreams of that type. |
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