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      Actually Sensei fair point, I just realied I totally ignored his original point. I might have even misunderstood everything here cause I'm seeing what I want to see. I just got a bit excited there hehe

      But I'm pretty sure Wisher was talking about how dreams and reality are one in the same thing. Actually all things are one. Therefore to wake up is to go into a dream, and to go into a dream is to wake up. Sorta, heheh
      Thoughts create reality. If you *truly* dream something up, it will be created. I am a "true dreamer" simply because I use this truth to my advantage every day. I can say this and you may believe it, but honestly it's something you need to experience yourself to fully understand. I've believed this stuff for a long time, but only recently have I experienced it.

      If you've ever heard of "The Secret" (Law of Attraction), that's the direction I'm talking about here
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      I'm anxious to see your response Wisher. Cause if you understand what I've said in my last two posts, it means you are who I think you are. Which means I've found another!

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      Et tu, Slash?

      The imprimatur of a member of your standing carries some weight, Slash, so I'm going to say this carefully:

      There are no special "Real Dreamers" who are better than the rest of us. Period.

      I honestly think that this is not a PC, IMHO, moment; we are all true dreamers, Slash, whether you like it or not. How you define your personal experience is one thing, and you certainly had some special moments, but those moments didn't make you better, or a Real Dreamer; they only afforded you an opportunity to better understand this thing called dreaming that we all do, every day. That is a very good thing by any measure, but not a thing that defines you as better than the rest of us, or a Real Dreamer.

      Indeed, any LD'er who has been at the practice for a while will reach a moment that might feel like a sort of apparent transcendence (perhaps in the form of a moment of true non-duality, as you described, Slash, or even that sense of "Law of Attraction" connection with reality). They believe they reached a level of awareness where they have effectively, say, touched the (for lack of a better word) divine and consciously lifted themselves to a level far above that of normal folk.

      I first experienced that sort of thing myself over 30 years ago, and had the audacity, for years, to assume myself better than those around me because I had become, as Wisher calls it, a "Real Dreamer." After some time, and some seriously embarrassing conversations with people of actual experience and wisdom, I came to realize that, cool as it may have felt, there really was nothing special, psychically speaking, about my experience. I finally settled down and understood that I was not a Real Dreamer, but just a dreamer who had happened to have opened a special door or two of understanding about what was going on in my dreams... it wasn't that I had risen above everyone else, but that I had just had some truly awesome moments of self-awareness and creativity in my dreams where I got a taste of how much there is out there to know, and to experience.

      You, Wisher, me, and any number of other dreamers who have touched the divine in our dreams are not special, or by any means better, than other dreamers. We're just particularly attentive, lucky, or perhaps thorough. To say that we are better than others, or belong in a special club of people who understand what it is to dream, what it is to be aware, is a fairly self-destructive statement that is mired in hubris and based on, forgive me for saying, delusional constructs.

      For what it's worth, I have consistently achieved levels of awareness that would undoubtedly grant me access to your special club, perhaps even to redefine it, but I would never be a member. Why? Because to do so invites the delusion of superiority, and that is one delusion that thoroughly negates any chance of actual growth. And yes, condescension would be unavoidable -- almost a requirement of membership -- to the people in this club, and that is not for me.

      Wisher, and apparently you, Slash, are assuming by your moments of perceived deep awareness (BTW: People with substantial histories of deep awareness, perhaps of touching the divine, rarely speak publicly about it... something to think about there, I think) you have earned some right to be elevated to a level above that of everyone else... and by corollary earned the right to assume yourselves better than other dreamers. That assumption is self-defeating at best, I think, and one that I hope you will reconsider: there are no "Real dreamers," only dreamers. Assuming yourself better than the rest of us, simply because you've been able to scare up a bit more awareness than usual, only manages to say something about you that perhaps you hadn't intended to be known.

      [EDIT: I notice that a few posts popped up while I was writing this one, and I see, Slash, that you might have a slightly different opinion of what a "true dreamer" is than I had initially thought, and what I've come to assume Wisher believes (he has yet to clarify, BTW); but I'm not sure that different opinion changes much in what I said (I was a firm adherent to the law of attraction during those yeas I mentioned, too; though time and experience eventually weaned me of such fantasy).]
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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Actually Sensei fair point, I just realied I totally ignored his original point. I might have even misunderstood everything here cause I'm seeing what I want to see. I just got a bit excited there hehe

      But I'm pretty sure Wisher was talking about how dreams and reality are one in the same thing. Actually all things are one. Therefore to wake up is to go into a dream, and to go into a dream is to wake up. Sorta, heheh
      Thoughts create reality. If you *truly* dream something up, it will be created. I am a "true dreamer" simply because I use this truth to my advantage every day. I can say this and you may believe it, but honestly it's something you need to experience yourself to fully understand. I've believed this stuff for a long time, but only recently have I experienced it.

      If you've ever heard of "The Secret" (Law of Attraction), that's the direction I'm talking about here
      If I remember correctly, this is similar to what wisher (and a few others) were chatting about the other day. specifically life being a dream, dreams effect reality, and the law of attraction being similar. I guess my big question, for both of you, is that, if you have attained this godlike power, then what have you actually done with it? I have yet to see someone flying across the sky or solving world hunger or achieving world peace. with such power i imagine one would have a lot of responsibility. I use this mainly because this is what people ask Christians (me) about their supposed all loving God that lets children starve when he has all the power and mock when we say it doesnt work like that. Of course I am sure that your new avility doesnt work like that, because I bet you would have tried something similar (plus if my reading the secret is a reminder, other people all unwittingly bring their own destruction and cause pain to others by willing it).

      I am sure that you also wont get fame, money or power because of ethical reasons (though you think of yourselves as gods or at least that everyone is a god and you have just refound access to him/yourself) for some reason, even though you could easily bring money and power and influence to you for good. so now that I have hopefully answered my own questions, I leave one unanswered, what good have you done in the world with this power? I am not asking this demeaningly, but if there is a powerful force out there, I would like to know about it.

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      Damn good response Sageous I didn't see that coming haha.

      Lemme be clear first of all, I don't believe myself better than others. And the levels of awareness thing, the way I see it is more like what stage of the journey you're on. Right now I'm quite a lot "higher" than I was yesterday because I've learned things, made realizations and such. Even your response there has taken me to this higher level we're talking about, but it doesn't mean I'm any better than I was before, I just understand more. More is settled in my mind. I do apologize for the words I'm using, I fuck that shit up in the simplest of conversations.

      The way I see it is, we are all part of the universe. We are all just the universe looking at itself. I, slash, am here to look at the universe with love and with curiosity, but not everyone is. The universe is a massively complex system. Compare it to the human brain, it's a system made up of billions of neurons which each have their specific part to play. Each neuron takes in information, does *something* with it, and passes it on. I am just one of those neurons playing it's part, and so is everyone else in the world. I don't believe any one neuron to be any better than another, they all have the exact same power, they just do different stuff.

      I did go through that apparent transcendence stage though, so I know what you're talking about haha, what a dummy I was.


      Now, you say we are all true dreamers. The funny thing about that is, I was just telling that other free spirit I met online, that you don't "use" the law of attraction, its just happening all the time, it's the nature of the universe that you can observe should you wish. Like I said before, I recognize that thoughts create our realities, so I know that we are all "true dreamers". The difference with us is that we can see it.

      There's loads of names for what we are, it doesn't matter what you call it though because they all mean the same thing. I like the name "free spirit" or "indigo", Wisher likes "true dreamer", who cares? Every one of us will be different, because the system can only work if there's variation. But there are a few things that we all have in common, and I find that interesting. I would love to figure out exactly what we have in common.


      Also, I've noticed on my journey that there are loaaaads of traps. I fall for traps all the time, but I find myself resolving them almost as quick as they come.

      Thank you for that though Sageous, I need to ponder on that xD
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      Sensei it isn't a godlike power, my last post should explain what I mean, I think

      EDIT: Actually it is a godlike power. Because we are all god. We all have this power.

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      Oh and by the way, I use the term "I" loosely haha. Perhaps thats a whole different discussion though xD

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      It seems like everyone is on the same page but some are creating divisions where there are none. There's a difference between knowing something through reading, listening and watching and knowing something through experience. The experience of lucid dreaming brings knowledge that can't be translated with letters, words and sentences that only work in a consensual, linear-perceived reality. That only transforms the knowledge back into a lesser form of knowledge, hence the 'strange language'. Yet for thousands of years 'awakened' individuals have tried to explain the knowledge in tomes that became the core of belief systems and religions, so nothing being discussed here is new. We're all experiencing this knowledge at our own pace. I do think some people spend too much time treating it like a personal game console but this stage is also mentioned in many of the ancient texts so perhaps some people need to go though it more than others. But how could you know there are fewer people at a certain level of understanding? Some of the most enlightened people may prefer to keep quiet and have you believe they're not as awake as they really are. At the end of the day no matter how much knowledge I attain (and I think Sageous would be the same) I will always say that I ultimately don't know anything.
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      Lemme be clear first of all, I don't believe myself better than others. And the levels of awareness thing, the way I see it is more like what stage of the journey you're on. Right now I'm quite a lot "higher" than I was yesterday because I've learned things, made realizations and such. Even your response there has taken me to this higher level we're talking about, but it doesn't mean I'm any better than I was before, I just understand more. More is settled in my mind. I do apologize for the words I'm using, I fuck that shit up in the simplest of conversations
      Still sounds more like "I am more aware and understand more than most", but I don't think you are trying to sound pretentious, you stumbled in an already heated a little debate, so every word you said was kind of taken apart.

      Also, WB Slash, it has been a while. Hope to see you around the forum some more!

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      "Awakening"...
      Once, I thought I was on the path of the so called awakening, spiritual path, meditation, a lot of readings and practice, eckhart Tolle, krishnamurti, and so on, I was drinking all their words, was part of non duality meetings, bla bla bla. I met a lot of "awoken" people... I thought that I was understanding the truth...
      So I was feeling that I was "awakening" until the day I "understood" that awakening may be just another belief.
      So did I make a step further toward the awakening process now that I "understand" that "understanding" is very much likely to rather mean "believing"?

      What if one day, like me, you "understand" that there is maybe nothing to understand and that "awakening" is just a deeper step in the beliefs world?
      Maybe the self fooling brain has no limits in this ability to adopt new beliefs and consider them as truths by calling them "understanding".
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      1) Dreams are a part of reality

      2) Reality is the basis of dreams

      However, there is nothing real about the content of dreams except the dreamer and their subconscious.

      If you think reality has dream like qualities, please find a tall building and jump and fly

      Reality is real, but our perceptions of it, like our dreams are not real (but our own personal approximations). They, Life and Dreams, are distorted by our experiences. Thus our perceptions and dreams are not equal to those of others. However, the shared reality remains real, concrete, and will outlast us all (even if none of us ever understands it). Compared to reality none of our perceived Lives or Dreams amount to much.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      Still sounds more like "I am more aware and understand more than most", but I don't think you are trying to sound pretentious, you stumbled in an already heated a little debate, so every word you said was kind of taken apart.

      Also, WB Slash, it has been a while. Hope to see you around the forum some more!
      Peoples are forgetting one thing, the purpose of this thread was for Wisher to find others like himself. He used all these weird words and it caused uproar as he predicted. But remember that his words were there for the sole purpose of drawing out others like himself. And if I got this right, I am on a similar path to him.
      I've been looking for others like myself too, and again this is why I use weird words. It's simply to draw out others like myself.
      Looking back on it though, I can see how bad it all looks to anyone that isn't me haha, so I'm gunna try explain myself...

      "I am more aware", anyone can say these words but they mean nothing unless you know where they coming from. Aware of what? Some people are aware of some things, others are aware of others. I am simply referring to an awareness of a specific thing, and someone who is similar to me as a person will be aware of the specific thing I'm talking about because they have went through similar thought processes to me. "I understand more". I never once said that I understand more than others. I did say that I understand more than I did yesterday, which is true and there's literally nothing wrong with that. I can't possibly know how much everyone else understands, and again, understand what? Most people in this world understand more than me, I'm a feckin idiot really. But I have dedicated my life to understanding specific things, so what? (and Kaan, I'm aware of the connection between belief and understanding, so this paragraph is probably laughable to you, but note that I'm using the term "understanding" quite loosely, look at my meaning not my words)

      I'm not here to try show people what I see, I don't need to prove anything. The things I do are to prove to myself, not others. I've heard Buddhism being referred to as "science of the self" or something like that, but it basically is saying that you can prove this shit to yourself using scientific method. So if anyone wants to debate this stuff, debate it with yourself (that sounded cheeky haha but I didn't mean it, seriously, debate it with yourself).
      But I do enjoy talking about it and it does help me to write stuff down to realize where I'm going wrong. Perhaps I'm a bit of a twat for plastering all my unorganized thoughts over the internet, but I've always loved DV for the fact that you're not slated for your outlook, you're celebrated for it.


      For what it's worth, this new outlook has given me a peace of mind I've been searching for, for a long time. It has caused a massive mess in my mind, but that's in the process of being tidied up. You guys have unwittingly helped me on this journey by the way, so thank you.


      Oh also, all this talk of being better than each other, to me it just sounds ridiculous. I mean, let's even ignore for a moment the fact that we are one. The truths that I chase are not complex truths. Show me a banana and I will tell you it's a banana, I don't expect a round of applause for that. But the fact that the banana is a banana means a lot to me personally. But the simplest of truths cause the most pain and the most confusion. It's a bit like "why the hell didn't I already see that?" or "why doesn't everyone else see this?" or "is that it? seriously?" or "jesus what the fuck is the point then". Dealing with these emotions is the true journey that we refer to, and it can take a lifetime to resolve, or it may never be resolved. But it's our own choice to chase it or not...


      Also, thanks Sensei, missed ya brah

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      If I remember correctly, this is similar to what wisher (and a few others) were chatting about the other day. specifically life being a dream, dreams effect reality, and the law of attraction being similar. I guess my big question, for both of you, is that, if you have attained this godlike power, then what have you actually done with it? I have yet to see someone flying across the sky or solving world hunger or achieving world peace. with such power i imagine one would have a lot of responsibility. I use this mainly because this is what people ask Christians (me) about their supposed all loving God that lets children starve when he has all the power and mock when we say it doesnt work like that. Of course I am sure that your new avility doesnt work like that, because I bet you would have tried something similar (plus if my reading the secret is a reminder, other people all unwittingly bring their own destruction and cause pain to others by willing it).

      I am sure that you also wont get fame, money or power because of ethical reasons (though you think of yourselves as gods or at least that everyone is a god and you have just refound access to him/yourself) for some reason, even though you could easily bring money and power and influence to you for good. so now that I have hopefully answered my own questions, I leave one unanswered, what good have you done in the world with this power? I am not asking this demeaningly, but if there is a powerful force out there, I would like to know about it.
      Just realized I didn't answer any of this properly. First off, we are not all gods, that's not what I meant. I meant we are all part of god. What is God? Well it's just a word, but God is described usually as an all-powerful, all-present and all-knowing being. To me (this is just the way I look at it), yes that is all true because God is everything.
      Zoom out a sec, picture the whole world in your mind, now zoom out further to the solar system, the galaxy, the universe, then the multiverse, then all of time and the other dimensions. Keep zooming out til you just get all of reality in your view, you are now looking at God. We are not seperate from God/the universe, we are a part of it.

      Now, what good have I done? Well you don't have to do good with it, you don't have to do anything in particular. But every day I do my best for those that come in contact with me. I'm also planning to start a business that will help millions. What power do I speak of that will allow me to do so much good in the world? It's the same power everyone else has. The moment I put the thought in my mind of creating a business was the moment I used this "power" we speak of. Or the moment I put the thought in my head to give a homeless guy some loose change out my wallet. My actions thereafter are a result of the thought. The simple truth here is, if you want to do something, you do it. Anyone here can change the world single-handedly if they put their mind to it.

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      ^^ Interesting points all, Slash, and I for one really can't find much to argue with or complain about (some of what you said even reflects my own story of discovery). Except:

      First, what you are discussing here is reasonable, well thought out, familiar to me personally, and has a solid base in the roots of seeking "More," or of being more aware. That's fine. But the odd thing is that, though other posters brought similar thoughts in defense of Wisher, none of that is what Wisher said in his OP or his subsequent posts. He didn't once speak of being more aware, or of knowledge, or of seeking anything; no, he spoke of "Real dreamers" and, in fairly disparaging terms, the "fake" dreamers or not-real dreamers; with real dreamers being folks like him, who have come to believe real dreaming involves understanding that life and dreams are the same thing (which is a curious jumping off point for assuming superiority, in my opinion, because, as CooleyMd noted above, that superiority is based on what is arguably a delusion).

      Also, though my radar is usually well tuned for them, I seemed to have missed those "special" words Wisher was apparently using, because to me he seemed to be speaking specifically and clearly about his being a "Real Dreamer," and pretty much everyone else, to him, being lesser, fake, or normal dreamers who are both not as good at this stuff as he is, but also have no interest in getting any better. All he wanted was to find other "Real dreamers" who have apparently elevated themselves above the plane of regular, or fake dreamers. I think if you reread the OP, you might see something similar, and if you read on in the thread you'll see that all the high-minded conversation, and the defenses of Wisher's posts, came from people other than him.

      Finally, at the risk of channeling Socrates, and possibly repeating something I may have said earlier, I offer a little caveat: In my experience, people who actually are more aware tend to keep it to themselves -- even when speaking to each other. I would assume that this is because people who are actually more aware are humbled by what their increased awareness is teaching them about how little they really know. They understand, for instance, that in the Grand Scheme of Things they are pretty much the same as everyone else, and see no sense in pronouncing their superiority -- much less in purposely forming a club for superiors.

      tl;dr: You are sharing admirable thoughts, Slash, but they really have nothing to do with Wisher's proposed "Real Dreamer's" club [my phrase, not his].

      P.S. Also, advance apologies to Wisher for what might seem to be a surly bout of passive aggression directed his way; that was not intended.
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      Another fantastic reply Sage, thank you so much for putting the effort in there.

      I do keep veering off into irrelevant stuff. The thing is though, when I read his OP, I see something in his meaning resembling something I've felt before myself. He asked if anyone else is awake, and I feel I am what he calls "awake", so everything I've said has been an attempt to show Wisher how I look at the world, to see if I am indeed who he is looking for.

      Although, I did just read the OP again, and I can see I didn't actually address the topic he wanted to discuss haha. I did talk about how thoughts create reality, but with that in mind I can see how lucid dreaming could be a really powerful tool if used right. Practice of a skill within a lucid dream has been shown to work as a genuine form of practice if I remember rightly (but c'mon think about it, it makes sense). Now, if for example you were to practice some skill in real life, the law of attraction will bring you closer to a reality which involves that skill. Practicing it in a lucid dream would therefore also bring you closer to that reality. Maybe over-simplifying it here but you get the idea?

      You are talking about the terminology he uses. "Real dreamer" is just a term, I don't look at the words, I look at the meaning. But I'm often slow to the punch, so I maybe misunderstood a little bit. The only thing I knew for sure was that when he said "real dreamer", he was referring to himself. So to understand what he meant by "real dreamer", you've gotta try figure out who he actually is, and then the difficult bit is figuring out which part of himself makes him this "real dreamer". To me it looked as if the part of himself he was referring to was his awakening. He literally asked if anyone else is "awake", it all made sense. Everyone else's posts has done nothing but confuse me haha, but that's a good thing because it has pushed me to resolve a few things in my mind.

      And by the way, my posts in this thread are the first time I have ever tried to put these thoughts down in words, I'm sure I'm communicating them terribly. I've never even tried to put these thoughts out to that girl I met online, we just kinda talk about what we want to talk about and somehow we share the same perspective.

      Right now I've got so many thoughts running about my head unorganized, so I apologize for hitting everyone here with it all. You have a point Sage, I can see why you would want to keep quiet about this stuff. I feel as though I want to shout it all to the world haha, but I get that you can't just do that, for so many reasons. But I still might shout it to the world, I don't know yet haha, but I sure ain't doing it right now, I just feel safe enough in DV Beyond Dreaming to come out with it right now.
      To be honest I don't know how to proceed and I don't even know what I'm doing right now, but I just don't care, all I'm doing is listening to myself/the universe/life and allowing myself to act. I'm quite content to go through this particular (albeit confusing) journey because I'm starting to step into myself and that feels good no matter what.


      I'm clinging to the edge of my seat waiting for Wisher to appear again haha, this has gone off the rails xD

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      Fuck sake slash, missed a big ass point again haha...

      Yeah I can see that he has a superiority complex. But I really don't think he means to. I highly doubt he believes himself "better" than others. Perhaps just better *at something* than others. Is there anything wrong with that? Is it a delusional? Pretty sure it's not, cause I know that you can get one person that's good at X and another person will be utter shit at it. (I genuinely want to know if you have a comeback for that one haha, I find myself wondering if I'm missing something)

      Furthermore, he will be early in his journey just like me. I'm sure in the future he will take a different route to meet others like himself, but all he has done is send out a message which holds the power to bring out certain types of people. Will he learn from all these responses or will he continue down the path of delusion? Who knows, but we're all doing our part right now.


      EDIT: Although he did talk about gaining some advantage in the afterlife. I would love to debate that one, but its not worth the energy, especially because I'm not ready to talk about my thoughts on the afterlife yet But it does sound like he might have a narrow view on that, but I haven't seen enough to quite get what his meaning is.
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      Hahahaha I just noticed something else.

      Wisher has been selectively reading stuff. He's only seeing what he wants to see. But funnily enough it's like he's holding a mirror up to me. I must admit that I have always been bad for it too haha, as I've proven in this thread. But if he's anything like me, the penny will drop sooner or later and he will feel like an idiot.

      Then again, is this not human nature? Or, human condition if you want to look at it that way?

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      Why is it so hard to get out of the rabbit hole once you dive in? I just want to go deeper and deeper into this shit, but where will it take me? Deeper into delusion?

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      If you know what I know then we will find each other. There's no need to actively seek out others. It would feel to me like forcing something that doesn't need to be forced.
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      Touché Daniele, thats a great point that's been sorely overlooked here. Personally, I ain't forcing nothing, I'm just acting the way I act. I've already let go of the idea of searching for things. Yeah I'd love to draw out those like me, but I'm not forcing it cause I know that since stepping into myself I've been drawing my people to me, or drawing myself to those people, or both, or neither, or it doesn't matter cause I just know I'm gunna meet the people I need to meet. But right now it feels like if I was to do anything other than reply to this thread, it would actually be forcing myself away, cause life pulled me towards the thread like a fuckin supermagnet... get me?
      I stumbled upon this thread by accident and now I'm in a heated and fast paced forum conversation that has helped me tremendously, that's all I really see. I mean I dunno if Wisher was forcing it though, but I do hope to see him come back and I hope the thread helps him even half as much as it has me.

      Come to think of it, I do sense Wisher's desire to control everything, so he probably was trying to force it. But I'm saying a lot of things about Wisher that I don't know, so he needs to get his ass back here xD

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wisher View Post
      It is mind-blowing how few people are actually DREAMERS.
      Everyone is a dreamer. That's dreaming 101. I think there are a few rare medical conditions or brain surgery complications that make people NOT dream...but that cant be more than 1-2% of the population.
      LUCID DREAMING IS NOT A HOBBY PLAYTHING PAST TIME
      It most definitely can be and often is. Who are you to tell me how to use my dreams?
      LUCID DREAMING IS REALITY
      LUCID DREAMING WILL TRANSFORM THE WORLD BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES
      Lucidity, aka Awareness, changes an individuals perception, and therefore changes their relationship with their own reality (reality, as I use it, includes dreams and waking life) but that is as much sense as I can squeeze out of your words here, and I don't think that was your intended meaning.
      The baby food of techniques and basic definitions is great...for the babies. But there is DEFINITELY some people who are eating real food. People who are awake.
      Who you calling a baby? I'm grateful I learned the techniques and nomenclature of lucid dreaming. It gives everyone tools that are tested and a common language which is vital in every scientific field in order to further study. More importantly, once you practice this "baby food" you can see why a technique exists in the first place, why it works, or what it implies about the working of the human mind. Impractical knowledge becomes practical experience. Hopefully from that point you can take an idea further, learn something new, and come back, enriching all of us with your experience, ESPECIALLY the ones who are still on a diet of mashed peas and WBTB techniques.
      Oii........if this post falls on deaf ears whatever. For the love of DREAMS though. If you are awake say something.
      Where are you? What do you know? Let's grow this thing.
      um...doing my best?
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      Y'know what I just realized.......

      ...

      ...


      I love you guys (nah I already knew that)

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      I just wanted to say, when I started posting in this thread, I was going through an intense transition lol.

      I think the main thing I should say now is, life is a dream and you can actually attain lucidity. In doing this, it's possible to find your true self, and you can see what everything else actually is (including the fact that it's a part of yourself). When you do that... when you actually see through the eyes of your true self... well, nothing fuckin matters anymore haha, except everything matters. cept it don't...

      But the moment I start using words is the moment I create misunderstandings for most readers, so, fuck...



      P.S. The path to enlightenment drives some people to suicide. As far as I can tell, it's due to misunderstandings and delusions. If only they knew who they really were... Or perhaps some of them did know it and simply watched themselves end a story. But either way, they are the unfortunate ones. Some however will find beauty in their path and embrace whatever comes. Some will think nothing of it because they quickly find this simple beingness. Some will see the infinite beautiful possibilities for the future and move towards whatever they want, but without getting absorbed in a nonexistent future.

      So really, everyone is different, but if truth is what one seeks, one should follow that path in their own beautiful way. If truth scares you, by all means look the other fuckin way

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