Thread: Astral projector won't leave me alone

How do you know someones projecting to you?
you cant see "them" doing it.
You project too?
thats so vague

Originally Posted by Nefets

How do you know someones projecting to you?
you cant see "them" doing it.
You project too?
thats so vague

How I know is irrelevant. I just know. And I am right. No I don't astral project. Until months ago, I didn't even know what it was or that something like that was possible. Astral projections are creepy and an invasion of privacy.

There's no evidence that someone can actually project himself to you and spy on you. Maybe astral projection is a real thing, who knows (I'm always open to evidence), but skeptics will say it's just an interpretation of a ceirtan kind of lucid dream (so they can't physically spy on you). Sorry for being the party pooping materialist, I just don't like people getting paranoid about such beautiful things as lucid dreaming or related phenomena.

So you're going to tell me what I've not been experiencing? I think you should google more and you will see that it can be done and has been done. And I would've been the first person to deny something like this if I could. Atheists and other skeptics have confirmed this after they've tried it. Um this person is claiming to be a witch. This is being done with witchcraft. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but astral projections are not beautiful if something like this can be done. It might be, but clearly there are people who take advantage of it and abuse it.

Originally Posted by prokarma

I think you should google more and you will see that it can be done and has been done

And maybe you should stop taking as a fact everything you find in Google. Just saying, science is the candle in the dark. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, as Sagan used to say. People don't just "confirm" things.

Anyway, I've had more than my fair share of "out of body experiences" and "astral projections" myself, but I know how incredibly powerful the mind can be and that the most plausible explanation is that it is all a kind of hallucination, aka. a Lucid dream. What I'm trying to say is that you should relax, I don't think any astral projecting dude is going to harm you.

Originally Posted by prokarma

So you're going to tell me what I've not been experiencing? I think you should google more

No, we are not telling you nothing. But you are not telling us nothing either. So we have nothing to go on. If you are not willing to describe your experience, and why do you think that this someone is watching you while he is astral projecting, no googling will convince us that that's what's happening. Sorry.

Just because someone in waking life dresses, acts and likes similar movies as you do, proves nothing. Today's culture kinda pushes kids to "belong" and they do it by wearing, watching, acting the same as others in the group they belong to.

Maybe you should do some more googling to learn about this, or actually provide details to places like this, if you want a serious discussion. If you came here just to vent about something and not accept discussion, then sure, go for it. But no help will be forthcoming.

I gather that you don't see any signs of anybody actually watching you. You are only assuming that's what's happening, because you see someone who you think is imitating you in waking life. That is a veeeery long stretch. Have you considered he peeks through your window? Or just sees you and hears you talking about stuff, then does the same?

Originally Posted by gab

No, we are not telling you nothing. But you are not telling us nothing either. So we have nothing to go on. If you are not willing to describe your experience, and why do you think that this someone is watching you while he is astral projecting, no googling will convince us that that's what's happening. Sorry.

Just because someone in waking life dresses, acts and likes similar movies as you do, proves nothing. Today's culture kinda pushes kids to "belong" and they do it by wearing, watching, acting the same as others in the group they belong to.

Maybe you should do some more googling to learn about this, or actually provide details to places like this, if you want a serious discussion. If you came here just to vent about something and not accept discussion, then sure, go for it. But no help will be forthcoming.

I gather that you don't see any signs of anybody actually watching you. You are only assuming that's what's happening, because you see someone who you think is imitating you in waking life. That is a veeeery long stretch. Have you considered he peeks through your window? Or just sees you and hears you talking about stuff, then does the same?

That's all you're gonna get out of me. I'm looking for help on how to stop it and shield. Generally speaking, how to block someone from astral projecting to you. Not to tell you my life story. It's none of your business. But what I am telling you, which are the basics. And there is nothing else to tell, really. Someone who is obsessed with me, is stalking me. That's it. I agree, there's no reason for this creep to be this obsessed with me, but they are. It's your problem whether you choose to believe it or not. You have a problem comprehending. When I said google, I actually meant google if it is possible to spy on someone and I guess read some experiences while you're at it. Everyone can't be lying or having a hallucinatory attack. I never said google my situation. How can you?...please make sense if you're going to question me. If you don't believe me, then move on. You can't help me, right? You probably don't even believe it. Then move on. You're not gonna get an argument out of me. I'm gonna tell you that right now. Certainly not the argument of proving myself or science. I can't. I'm not the one into astral projection and can't even tell you how it's done. That's why I said google. I'm not here to educate you. I'm here to find out more myself and also protection. I thought this was the kind of site for that? Defend a pervert all you want. It's funny that of all forums, this is the forum where people want to make you out to be crazy? If I sound crazy, it's because I'm dealing with someone who is. You act as if I'm into astral projections, lucid dreaming, obes, etc. I'm here because of a crazy person who is.

Originally Posted by prokarma

It's funny that of all forums, this is the forum where people want to make you out to be crazy? If I sound crazy, it's because I'm dealing with someone who is. You act as if I'm into astral projections, lucid dreaming, obes, etc. I'm here because of a crazy person who is.

Nobody here wants to make you out to be crazy. I'm just saying that lucid dreaming is a scientifically validated state of consciousness, but remote-viewing type phenomena are not. I really do believe that you believe that somebody is astrally spying on you. I'm just asking you to please consider that there is maybe a simpler explanation to what is happening to you... a more plausible explanation may be that he likes you and maybe he is imitating you or something like that, or, as Gab said, he can even be peeking through your window.

(There's a little thing called Occam's razor: when two explanations for an occurrence exist, the simpler one is usually better.)

Originally Posted by prokarma

That's all you're gonna get out of me. I'm looking for help on how to stop it and shield. Generally speaking, how to block someone from astral projecting to you. Not to tell you my life story. It's none of your business. But what I am telling you, which are the basics. And there is nothing else to tell, really. Someone who is obsessed with me, is stalking me. That's it. I agree, there's no reason for this creep to be this obsessed with me, but they are. It's your problem whether you choose to believe it or not. You have a problem comprehending. When I said google, I actually meant google if it is possible to spy on someone and I guess read some experiences while you're at it. Everyone can't be lying or having a hallucinatory attack. I never said google my situation. How can you?...please make sense if you're going to question me. If you don't believe me, then move on. You can't help me, right? You probably don't even believe it. Then move on. You're not gonna get an argument out of me. I'm gonna tell you that right now. Certainly not the argument of proving myself or science. I can't. I'm not the one into astral projection and can't even tell you how it's done. That's why I said google. I'm not here to educate you. I'm here to find out more myself and also protection. I thought this was the kind of site for that? Defend a pervert all you want. It's funny that of all forums, this is the forum where people want to make you out to be crazy? If I sound crazy, it's because I'm dealing with someone who is. You act as if I'm into astral projections, lucid dreaming, obes, etc. I'm here because of a crazy person who is.

Lol, so aggressive.

Yeah, I did mean googling that AP does exist will not help me. I do believe in AP, haha. But googling that will not help me help you. You take your car to a shop and you will not tell the guy what's wrong with it, nor you will let him find the problem. But you want him to fix it. See the issue here?

Nobody is asking you for a proof. We are just asking you to describe why you believe someone is APing into your place. Without that, how do you expect help?

And lol, we ARE into APs, LD, OBEs. Nobody is calling you crazy. And lol, nobody wants your life story, and I doubt you could educate anybody here, on any subject.

I thought you wanted help with stopping what's happening to you. Maybe we will be able to help you figure out what's happening, and help you with that. Even if it turns our to be something else than AP. But we can't go on without any info.

What do you think the right answer may be? You seem opposed to the idea of anything related to these subjects, viewing them as unwholesome/evil. Lets go ahead and address your issue with the assumption that this is really happening. What are you willing to do? First, are you devout in any religion? Are you willing to learn anything mystical yourself?

Can you describe your dream experience so someone who knew what to do could classify the kind of experience, and so know what to advise you about. Fore instance, do you experience dreams in which you are aware of this other person, if so do you see an image of them or hear their voice, or is it some other feeling that tells you they are there. If not is it something you know because of things you experience while awake, like the person stalking you or dressing like you?

Of course on here we get plenty of folks who start an account just to have fun starting a couple posts and arguing or claiming odd things. We respond better to those who take time to write detailed accounts or clearly take time thinking about their response. No one wants to waste time so we base our help on your replies.

Look... As astral projector I can travel everywhere provided I have good enough concentration. All the restrictions are stemming from bad concentration. There is no barrier to stop me if I'm concentrated good enough.
Second thing is realism- after more than 30years of OBE I can't say I have proof that all the OBE is real travelling outside of the body, to the real world. I have only small things, not good enough to convince me about that sufficiently.
Thirdly, you look on the whole thing wrong way. Learn how to travel and if you find someone spying on you, try to communicate. While it is likely that anyone you find there is only projection of your fear(if you do it wrong way) it may help to understand your subconsciousness at the very least.

I try to make work the shared lucid dreaming and shared OBE(astral projection) thing, to have proof of reality of all this ... it may be also helpful if shared experiences are possible- imagine that you can protect your friends from nightmares for example...

Not all you think and feel that it is true, is truly true.

#1 OP is wanting attention. Or
#2 OP is having mental health issues. Or
#3 OP is experiencing some form of harassment and believes it to be from Astral Projection, in which case OP,
Let me give you some info to Google to being understanding what covert stalking is, does and how you may begin to get your life back.
Google, "gaslighting", Google "targeted person", Google "the church of Scientology stalking tactics.
I think you may begin to see that no one really needs to asral stalk you, when this kind of psychological stalking takes root with sure in the everyday world. Lea Remini has been doing a TV series on the Church of Scientology and exposing some of the methods used to either punish people who leave the church or scare people who question the church. Having said that, the church is not the only organization that uses such tactics to put a target under their control. The CIA was known to do this kind of stalking as well. Google MK Ultra, also Google targeted person.

If you still think it's someone astral stocking you, if say you have gotten the attention of one dedicated and masterful projectionist. Watch out.
Kadie

Offhand, I can think of a few way to ways to defend yourself, but without knowing where you're at, it's hard to advise anything actionable.

Understanding, even at a basic level, how you know this is happening would be helpful.

EDIT: I had made a post with some info, assumptions and suggestions, but thinking on the lack of information given I decided to remove and wait.

To OP. It sounds like this whole mess has you out of it. Understandable... I promise it will work itself out if you're patient though.
Have you ever thought of doing something to this stalker? Sometimes when we get desperate enough we can't see any other solution than to hurt others.
If you ever get to the point where you want to do something like that... Please don't... You'll only make it worse for everybody around you. And a lot worse for yourself.

You live in the US... That means that if you hurt somebody because they spy on you with astral projection you will be locked up in a mental health facility for a loooong time. Nobody will care if AP is possible or if it was used on you. You will be tied to a bed and fed shitty food, sedatives and anti-psychotics completely isolated due to the fact that you are surrounded by drugged out mentally ill people..

EDIT: I really, really didn't want to do this, because I think it's a shitty thing to dismiss someone as crazy. And I don't know you! I am also absolutely open to AP being a thing. But I feel like I should be honest and blunt about how I see this...

You seem like you're loosing your shit. And thats not based your claim, it's based on how you react to the people on this forum trying to help you, and most of all its based on how you write. Your writing is unorganized and rambling like that of a person having a psychotic break.

I've seen it several times before.. I've seen my friends go through it... Fear/paranoia, anger, a conspiracy against you and of course the supernatural. These are classic ingredients of psychosis.

If you smoke weed you need to stop NOW! Not cut down, or only smoke at parties. You need to stop.

By definition you won't believe me when I tell you all this. You'll think I am an idiot, or maybe even a part of the conspiracy. Plus, it would be so embarassing to be crazy on top of everything else thats fucked up. "Embarassing" doesn't really cover it... it hurts too much to even consider. It would almost be better to just stay crazy.
I know.
But I still wanted to try. If you smoke I hope you would at least consider to completely lay off the weed for 3 months. See what happens. And find somebody to talk to. I know it's scary. Especially when you feel like the world is against you and you are being watched. But there must be someone you could talk to.

Remember that even though it's hard to see sometimes, the whole world is built on and kept together by love and so it is full of people who want to help. Psychosis is suffering. Suffering for you and everyone around you.

Good Luck.