Thread: Subconscious

Originally Posted by blade5x

I am asking myself this question now because my "dream guide" taught me how to fly last night in a lucid dream.

This source of information that was given to me was based off things I already knew (the way I was taught was similar to how an airplane takes off, that is, I start running as fast as I can, dive forward, glide, and slowly lift off).

However, this was something I never thought of before. This was presented to me - the conscience being in the lucid dream - from my subconscious. It explained to me the difficulty of my original method of attempting to fly (not based of lack of belief) and then presented me a recommended method - which worked very well!

So today, it made me think - is the subconscious a separate (though connected to us) entity of its own? It was as though it thought and rationalized on its own in my dream.[/b]

I think you can think as as many people as you like, but using my preferred definition the subconscious is not a separate entity but a part of you. Speculation: A part of your brain is subconscious when you are not paying attention to it, rather than having the subconscious as a set-off part of your brain. Your dream guide might be an interface to parts of your brain that it would be too much work to use normally.

That is also how i see it - my subconscious is an avatar of a more powerful me. Though for simplicity's sake i have come to consider me and my subconscious as 2 entities, I think that when i am more acquainted with my subconscious and conscious selves i will try and merge them and see what happens

To me, the subconscious is the part of you that takes over, when you are less aware of what you are doing. I would consider it to be the "Automatic Self". But, I don't look at it as a separate part of you. Just the part of you that is less aware.

the subconcious takes over when you're unconcious..

If you've ever noticed how you're dreams can be extremely realistic and detailed, then you've grasped how powerfully observant you're subconcious is.

It soaks up everything we do all the time and remembers it, but this information isn't readily available to our concious (when we are concious ).....

The subconcious is the movie projector that creates the entire environment that is our dreams.

Originally Posted by blade5x

.. is the subconscious a separate (though connected to us) entity of its own?[/b]

LDers are basically split into two camps: those who believe that LD is all controlled by the subconscious, and those who don't. However, it would appear from anecdotal eveidence on this site, that one's particular mindset does not predetermine one's LD scenarios. For instance, a dyed-in-the-wool "it's all in the head" LDer will not necessarily find agreement for this from his DCs. Indeed, the very opposite is often true.

Blade5x.. why don't you sit on the fence as regards your question? Just see what happens in your LDs without making judgments? Just roll with it.

It's definitely a different part of us, just see how one part of your consciousness is creating the dream and the other part is watching it when you're lucid. You sometimes have controll, but it's up to your subconscious mind to give to you or not.

I don't think they're separate, though. I think our conscious mind is the part of our mind that we're being given access to but, just as the subconscious mind, it's a part of our total consciousness.

I've been wondering about the SC lately too. I think of it as a nuisance, always withholding things from me, and also as somewhat stupid and primitive. But as I write this I wonder what it is really doing for me...I'm sure it's necessary, and I probably shouldn't be so critical of it.

I don't know. Does anybody? References on the subconscious? Scientific, please. I've been meaning to research this and haven't gotten around to it. It almost seems stupid..it seems like I'll come up with a lot of BS rather than a real description of what is "known" about it.

Are subconscious is definitely connected to are conscious mind. Have any of you ever heard about Photoreading? It’s a skill I have recently learned (not very good at it yet) where you are able to read a page a second just by flipping them so they are stored in your subconscious mind. You conscious mind can only handle about 7 pieces of information at once but your subconscious can handle over 20,000 pieces of information at once. When you Photoread you have to get in this state it’s hard to explain but it’s close to a sleeping state, then after you Photoread you have to let your subconscious mind and conscious mind connect. But after that your subconscious mind has to sort the information that will take at the least 20 min (24 hours recommended) then afterward you can access the information. After long practice some people even achieve photographic memory. This sounded out of this world when I first heard about it but I have got to a point where I can photoread a dictionary and think of a word and know the page, column, and how many words down it is. Not too much but it’s a start.

Photoreading is a really interesting subject! Wish I knew how to do it! It does sound kind of surreal, though. But it proves the power of our SC compared to our conscious mind! If only we had the ability to access that power!

Originally Posted by killerheartburn

Are subconscious is definitely connected to are conscious mind. Have any of you ever heard about Photoreading? It’s a skill I have recently learned (not very good at it yet) where you are able to read a page a second just by flipping them so they are stored in your subconscious mind. You conscious mind can only handle about 7 pieces of information at once but your subconscious can handle over 20,000 pieces of information at once. When you Photoread you have to get in this state it’s hard to explain but it’s close to a sleeping state, then after you Photoread you have to let your subconscious mind and conscious mind connect. But after that your subconscious mind has to sort the information that will take at the least 20 min (24 hours recommended) then afterward you can access the information. After long practice some people even achieve photographic memory. This sounded out of this world when I first heard about it but I have got to a point where I can photoread a dictionary and think of a word and know the page, column, and how many words down it is. Not too much but it’s a start.[/b]

That makes sense. You take a picture of the book, then read it later without using your eyes. You might temporarily lose some other abilities, but specialization is generally worth it. I'll look into it.

McGremlin, I think we can access that power, as stated above. But I think it would be good to turn this discussion to why the conscious mind is set apart. Perhaps it's for interaction with the senses, so that the entire brain doesn't get bogged down waiting for visual images to get processed? The subconscious could be doing other things while the smaller conscious makes immediate use of the new input. And the subconscious gets the scraps.

I marvel at my own subconscious when it comes up with an entire plotline and fantastical story in a dream, complete with a beginning with clues that lead to a problem that lead to a solution and then an ending that wraps it all up nicely. Sometimes with shocking endings recalling back to a minor detail in the beginning that I, the dreamer, had forgotten all about!

then when I try to write my own short stories I. . . cant even get past the opening! curse you subconscious for holding back on me!!

However, I do believe all human souls are connected to the divine, and sometimes when we think we are connecting with our subconscious its really our soul connected to a higher mind in the universe. In this case, this would a subconscious in our soul rather then in the brain.

the subconscious in our brain however is like a computer, it holds every bit of information we come across everyday. it stores it and doesnt reveal it to our conscious becuase it would be an information overload. and when the subconscious encounters the same set of information it creates a sort of message, a response, to let our conscious know without having to recall the information.

for example - a person who screams when they see a bee. the person doesnt have to sit down for five minutes and recall every bit of information about a bee to decide whether or not they should scream - that information was already processed by our subconscious - at super speed - and it gives us the response based on that information. our subconscious may give us responses that we felt we had no control of - but in the end its the conscious mind that decides what information to give to the subconscious. it was the conscious mind that decided to be frightened of the bee and the subconscious mind that made them scream accordingly!