Thread: suggestion on salvia??

Originally Posted by stonedape

DMT is very chemically. (In so many words)

DMT is naturally occuring in many plants and - from what I've read - the human brain. People just extract it using lots of toxic chemicals, and often times this is done somewhat carelessly.

That's what I meant. If anyone knows of a way to extract it thats not so chemically(worst adjective ever) I;d really like to know about it. As far as I can tell the cleanest way to trip on DMT is iowaska(ayahuasca). I;m definately gonna brew some of that stuff once I get my own place. It doesn't seem nearly as difficult as extracting DMT and you don't have to smoke crystals. I'm honestly kind of afraid that I'll start feeling like a crackhead after smoking the crystals and then freak out. From what I've heard DMT is either heaven or hell. If you freak out, it's supposed to be the worst experience of you life. I've only talked to one person who's ever done it, and thats how he described it to me. Hell.

But iowaksa on the other hand is supposed to be the best medicine on the planet. I've heard it's very mellow, has a slow onset and lasts for a while. It's also supposed help balance your body(chemically) which seems very interesting. But you have to brew a big ass pot of it and I think you might have to drink a lot. It sounds more like a much smoother version of mescaline.

I believe there is an extraction technique that replaces petro based chemicals and lye with limolene (orange peel extract) and vinegar.

Yeah the Mother Aya sounds fantastic. Gotta get my hands on some M.Hostilis bark.

That extraction technique sounds a lot better than any I've heard. But I really haven't been that interested in DMT lately. I'm thinking the next drug I try is gonna be aminita. I think you can still just buy it off ebay and it's not even that expensive. I'm pretty sure salvias full on illegal now in the states, but I don't really pay attention to laws anymore. If I can find drugs I'll do them, if not it's no big deal.

I would be extremely careful with amanita. I have heard the potency varies greatly depending on season and region. It can also be deadly if you take too much.

Salvia is only legal because it hasn't been made illegal yet. It hasn't been around for long, and it takes time to outlaw something. IIRC, a few states have already outlawed salvia.

Salvia is only illegal for purchase by minors, in CA at least. Other states have different laws, not sure what they are though.

I've recently been thinking about getting hold of some amanitas as well actually.

http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Bro...ria:dried Caps

Yeah they recently made it schedual 1 here in Ohio. It's fucking retarted. God damned high school kids and their youtube videos. I was never that big on the salvia anyway, it makes me sweat sometimes and then I get a little uncomfortable, but I'd still like to try it a few more times.

But it's still legal in Michigan and I live about 10 minutes from the border.
Dig this shit I found on wikipedia about Michigan legislation

Originally Posted by wiki

Michigan
On February 12, 2008 Representative Michael Sak submitted house bill HB5700, which proposes Schedule I classification of Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A in the state of Michigan. The bill was passed by the House on March 5, 2008 (Yeas 106, Nays 0) and referred for review by the Senate Health Policy Committee.[80] The bill died at the end of 2008 when it never came up for vote in the Senate during the year.

Alcohol related financial contributions featured highly for Representative Sak's 2006 political campaign. According to the National Institute on Money in State Politics the Michigan Beer and Wine Wholesalers Association was his highest contributor.[32] A news reporter, noticing that out of the entire House Sak had got the most money from the association, asked Sak if he was acting on behalf of the alcohol lobby. Sak said that the question was insulting. The only special interest he’s working for is the “citizens of Michigan,” he said. He said that if people had questions about the deleterious effects of salvia, they should go on YouTube to watch the videos. Sak was asked whether he had ever seen a “Girls Gone Wild” video — where drunken college girls are asked to show their breasts, and are rewarded with free T-shirts — and whether that would incite him to try and make alcohol illegal. Sak said he had not had a chance to “review the material.”[81]

When I finish college I'm planning on moving out to California. Hopefully pot will be flat out legal there by then. From the looks of things it should be. People are starting to realize how hippocritical it is for pot to be illegal and alcohol not to be.

salvia very profound. smoking with 15x and 10 x extracts completely shatter my reality. usually i see what seems like an infinite amount of copies (though they didnt seem exactly the same) of the world around me, and then sometimes i enter other places. the first time, my existence became an infinitely repeating sentence, as if the sentence was in between two mirrors facing each other. i tried salvia 10 x once while on a hit of lsd and all laws of physics lost their meaning. i saw different versions of my freinds amidst the strange forms, and i then perceived myself as the creator and i pulled things out of the sky and created a pavilion i was under, though it all looked inverted at the time.

the visuals with overlapping copies really made me think of the possibility of parrallel universes and made me reconsider my previous deterministic views.

Originally Posted by stonedape

Dig this shit I found on wikipedia about Michigan legislation.

Wow 106-0?
That representative sounds like a total douche.

overactive_imagination-"the visuals with overlapping copies really made me think of the possibility of parrallel universes and made me reconsider my previous deterministic views."

Hehe yeah, psychedelics tend to do that for people.

stonedape - The only thing with Ayahuasca is that it won't get you anywhere near the level you can get by smoking. Also apparently if you get a breakthrough trip, it's impossible to have a bad trip. Because there is no ego to be scared. And it all depends on you at that moment, as opposed to say, mushrooms where it's harder to talk yourself down. With DMT it's more like an adventure which you can choose to have a hell trip or a heaven trip. So I've heard anyway.

And yeah, you don't have to use petro chemicals to extract.

And that Sak boy is a fuckhead. Notice how he just didn't answer the questions? God I hate that.

My advice is that Lucid Dreaming is probably better than most drugs,
And likely the least harmful. I'm not necessarily saying stay away from all drugs, since I do myself smoke pot, but its best to know what you're doing to your body before you start, no matter what. If you do the salvia start of really slow, as I've heard the first time you do it it can take very little to put you into another world/reality/conciousness. I've seen people trip on it... and sometimes, no matter how prepared you think you are, you can regret doing it at all. I've seen people scream "I dont wanna trip!" when someone tried reassuring them before, people drooling, people not having any sense of gravity whatsoever.

Originally Posted by ADifferentKindOf

NOW TO THE PART ABOUT WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU.....

I knew it was a mistake to let our alcoholic room mate try this stuff (he had serious mental problems to begin with), but my not very nice ex thought it would be FUNNY. ok............Obviously this guy has no boundaries when it comes drugs and alcohol and (against our advice) inhaled too much, way too much. He began screaming violently and swinging at everything in sight, breaking things along the way. This only lasted about ten minutes, but he had to be pinned to the ground by 4 guys so he didnt hurt or kill anybody, as he was so violent and I had to run next door and tell the neighbors no one was hurt and to please not call the police it was just our alcoholic room mate (not hard to believe). When he came around he was still very angry and swore we had messed him up forever. And I dont know if he will ever be normal because not long after he was commited. (He also did alot of other drugs and alcohol and like I said he had problems.) I never did it after that again and I don't suggest it, especially alone.

.__. So you agreed with your borderline evil ex to give someone with mental problems a drug that has the potential to give you an out of body experience that can make you see the apocalypse and the creation of the earth all at once...? & then he was commited. Sweet Jesus, you do know the stuff has the possibility to give you lasting anxiety disorders, right? If not, you probably should have researched it and figured that out before you gave it to someone who was mentally unstable. Actually scratch that, you just shouldn't have at all.

Originally Posted by Wayfaerer

Smoking salvia was the most uncomfortable, intense, and scariest experience of my life, and at the same time it was fun enough for me to do it again more times LOL. DO NOT do it with other people, unless they are actually trying to have a meaningful experience, this is NOT a "party drug". I think I only had bad experiences with it because I did it with people, peoples voices are soo annoying when your on it, I will probably do it by myself and have better results.
Salvia is a more intense experience then all the other psychedelics drugs put together. I whole heartedly believe the only reason it is legal is so that kids will try it first and be to scared to do other drugs.

More intense than any other...

Huge overstatement...

It is intense for 5 minutes.... try 10 hours on acid...

The physical time frame plays no part in how intense it is. That 5 minutes has the ability to feel like 100000000000 years.

Originally Posted by tommo

The physical time frame plays no part in how intense it is. That 5 minutes has the ability to feel like 100000000000 years.

Disagree strongly. Done salvia on a number of occasions, the point of a trip is to spend time doing something... 5 minutes worth of sweating.. all set.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Disagree strongly. Done salvia on a number of occasions, the point of a trip is to spend time doing something... 5 minutes worth of sweating.. all set.

I haven't done salvia, but I still can't imagine how you can say that.
If you know anything about the full potential of salvia you'd know it can feel like time is being stretched. Many many people report feeling lost to time during salvia trips.

Also, when I was a super easy-bake, & had retarded wicked weed in large amounts, I've spaced out on 5 minute trips that felt like 20 minutes. if something as tame as weed can do that, I'm sure salvias hallucinogenic potency could do it as well for even longer.

Any drug can cause time dilation. I experienced it on acid, weed and salvia. But the way it happens is very different on any of those drugs. But the time dilation on acid is way crazier. It feels like your almost traveling into a different dimension of experience. Slavia can do the same thing, but on slavia you still(at least for me) are aware enough that this is just the effects of a drug, a trip. On LSD at times the hallucinations can be so powerful that you mistake them for reality. One time I remember that I heard this truck starting and time got stretched really far out. I was laying on the ground in a tent at the time, and I thought that I was listening to a song in which the had sampled a truck sound for about two minutes. Then I realized that it was just in my head. It even kept going for another minute or so i'd guess. It was really beautiful. I think it's because salvia is a drug which causes a rush, and with a rush you know, Oh I just smoked some crazy drug, but with LSD it's this slow onset that comes and goes, and somethimes it gets so intense that it's easy to forget what going on.

Originally Posted by overactive_imagination

salvia very profound. smoking with 15x and 10 x extracts completely shatter my reality. usually i see what seems like an infinite amount of copies (though they didnt seem exactly the same) of the world around me, and then sometimes i enter other places.

This is exactly what happened to me, every moment felt like it was repeating and overlapping, and one time I completely went somewhere else haha. I found myself floating in the middle of a huge colosseum type stadium type place with people chanting something hahah. The people were all just half ovals for bodys and circles for heads and they were all different colors so everyone in the stadium collectively just looked like a weird pattern LOL. Then I woke up from that sweating and wanting to get the hell off the high because I felt like i was trapped in some kind of uncomfortable repetitive thought trap, it was fucked up hahah.

Originally Posted by overactive_imagination

the visuals with overlapping copies really made me think of the possibility of parrallel universes and made me reconsider my previous deterministic views.

Read a book on quantum physics, you'll see everyone should reconsider there deterministic views hahah.

Originally Posted by Yume.no.ato

I haven't done salvia, but I still can't imagine how you can say that.
If you know anything about the full potential of salvia you'd know it can feel like time is being stretched. Many many people report feeling lost to time during salvia trips.

Also, when I was a super easy-bake, & had retarded wicked weed in large amounts, I've spaced out on 5 minute trips that felt like 20 minutes. if something as tame as weed can do that, I'm sure salvias hallucinogenic potency could do it as well for even longer.

Don't believe everything you read..

Five minutes where I sweat profusely is not fun, I'll take some shroomers, acid, dmt... anything else.

I don't need to know anything that people say online about something, what matters is how it actually affects me.. Salvia can not and never will surpass the majority of more popular hallucinogens in time or intensity.. Five minutes of floating is nothing...

And spacing out from smoking bud, what the???

My mind must be running on different wavelengths.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Don't believe everything you read..

Five minutes where I sweat profusely is not fun, I'll take some shroomers, acid, dmt... anything else.

I don't need to know anything that people say online about something, what matters is how it actually affects me.. Salvia can not and never will surpass the majority of more popular hallucinogens in time or intensity.. Five minutes of floating is nothing...

And spacing out from smoking bud, what the???

My mind must be running on different wavelengths.

How many x extract did you do? My old head friend who had done every drug under the sun many times said that salvia was the most fucked up intense thing hes ever done and that he felt like he was going to hell hahah. Btw, youv never spaced out smoking weed? Thats all it does to me haha.

Originally Posted by Yume.no.ato

I haven't done salvia, but I still can't imagine how you can say that.
If you know anything about the full potential of salvia you'd know it can feel like time is being stretched. Many many people report feeling lost to time during salvia trips.

You also lose the concept of normal time when you are dreaming. You can be walking down the street and a few days can roll by. One minute it's day 1, the next second shit change and it's the 5th day and you're aware the INSTANT that it's been 5 days walk from point 1 to point 2. That shit is trippy. I've never done DMT, or Salvia before though.

Originally Posted by Wayfaerer

How many x extract did you do? My old head friend who had done every drug under the sun many times said that salvia was the most fucked up intense thing hes ever done and that he felt like he was going to hell hahah. Btw, youv never spaced out smoking weed? Thats all it does to me haha.

Gets me floating usually, space out a little bit if I'm relaxing.. not really space out.. I usually concentrate more unless I'm trying to relax..

If you only sweat you need to do more (if you want to obviously).
That's strange what you say about acid. Because usually it is easy to tell the difference between reality and hallucination. And Salvia is hard to tell because it is a dissociative (sometimes you've forgot you've even taken a drug because you are dissociated from your mind). That's why acid visuals are called hallucinations and not delusions, because you know they are not 'real'; as in physical.
Basically everything you described about each drug should be switched around.
Unless you're taking massive amounts of acid?
Not saying you're lying, but this is what usually happens.
I also focus on weed but I can space out heaps when I want to. But I space out heaps during sober days naturally too.

Disassociatives are also DXM(Dextromethorphan), phencyclidine(PCP), and Ketamine...

Yes.... What's your point?
If you're saying dissociatives are bad.
I disagree. Only if used improperly.
But I won't argue yet in case I have misunderstood.