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      Fantastic OBE technique, BEEDEKIN'S METHOD

      Bedeekin's Method



      Hello guys, I have a technique to share with you today. It is called Beedekin's Method in honor of the person who created it and it gives us a name to refer to it as since for all I know, it's unique. I did not create this method and take no credit for it, the person who created it, for all I know is called Beedekin. I have not been able to try it myself yet but I will definitly do so tonight and tell you if it works. This technique is said to actually work very well and many people have had OBE's with it or at least some form of success. Here is the method (copied from sources listed below):

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      Failure to actually have an Out-Of-Body Experience seems to be the most common ‘experience’ among the massive group of people who wish to have one. This frustrates me as much as those who fail because of the wall I run into when trying to teach them. There are many reasons why people are unsuccessful at achieving the state.

      One main reason is down to the ‘wealth’ of information one can pick up online and the paragraphs of most OOBE related books in general. I see many posts on sites that say something along the lines of ‘I’ve been researching Astral Projection for ages and now I’m ready to learn how to have one’. This is like saying ‘I have been researching UFOs for ages and now I’m ready to see one’. While they had their best interest at heart because to be fair it is a great idea to research a subject before heading into it head first, this isn’t sky diving. Also, if you wish to research sky diving because you have an interest in doing it, their aren’t many sources available that would profess to know about it and print blatant fabricated facts. Unfortunately the same can’t be said for OOBEs.

      A common mistake that people make is a preconceived idea of what OOBES are because of the evident rubbish that is widely available. For instance they may have read that when they enter the Vibrational State (VS) they must call upon their spirit guide to help pull *them out. This may fit in with their spiritual beliefs and so if they reach the VS and call upon this mythical guide he/she/it may not appear... which will then have a negative effect on their sense of success. I myself have never seen a spirit guide although I’m sure I could create one if I wished... emphasis on ‘create’.

      What I am saying is that to enter the subject with a quasi-religious belief system will only get in the way of success because it just isn’t so.

      The majority of the ‘wealth’ of knowledge that one may have aquired by trawling through the pile of information at hand, is as useful as a chocolate fireguard and should be cast off so that one can start afresh and learn from a first hand perspective. I had the advantage of self learning without any outside influences such as the internet and only a few books at hand that I mainly used as a checklist of affirmation that I wasn’t weird.

      Unlearn what you think you have learned.

      So let’s get rid of a few misconceptions about OOBEs that often arise through New-age belief-centricity and blatant un-truths that get thrown about due to the writings of popular so-called AP gurus. *

      *you need to learn how to achieve transcendental meditation and control the energy flow of your chakras.

      Not true. You just need to keep your mind passively active while your body relaxes into the sleep slate or be able to slip from a lucid dream into the trance state. Chakras are an eastern philosophy that were origionally intended for use during wake induced meditation and have nothing to do with OOBEs until they were pounced upon by the New-age movement during the early part of the 1900s by the Theosophical Society and integrated into ‘astral projection’. Involving chakra opening, long meditation practice is basically a waste of precious time. If you feel better practicing these semi-religious activities in order to success then go for it... the same can be said for taking your lucky teddy-bear into exams; if it makes you feel that it will make you perform better there’s no harm... but in the grand scheme of things there’s also no point. *

      *you need to learn protection so that you’re not attacked by lower astral negative entities and demons.

      Rubbish. There are no lower entities or monsters waiting to attack you while you ‘leave your body’. I can attest to this because I’ve had over three thousand OOBEs over a 25 year period and I have never been attacked or harmed or indeed possessed by anyone or anything. When you enter the State you are merely consciously aware of an otherwise unconscious process you have gone through every night you’ve entered sleep since you were born.

      *Your bed or body has to be facing a certain way/position.

      No harm can be done by lying a certain way... if you think it will work then do it. Sleep on the floor... in the kitchen... on the sofa... with a pillow or without... on your back, front, side or head... if it’s the way you normally sleep... do it.

      *You need to breath a certain way... in through the nose out through the mouth etc.

      Not so... just breath as you normally do. Your breathing self regulates once you enter the state. Don’t pay any attention to your breathing.
      I’m sure I’ll come across other misconceptions as I’m writing... I’ll bullet-point important things like that along the way.

      There are three main ways to enter the ‘State’; before sleep, during REM dream sleep and upon waking from a nights sleep.

      *Before sleep state induction. this requires a set up ‘pre-sleep’ that primes you biochemically and physiologically to enter the state.

      *REM dream sleep induction requires a grasp of Lucid Dreaming and is a bit hit and miss for the newbie.

      *Waking state induction requires the ability to recognize that you have woken up and at that very moment remembering not to move, roll over, scratch an itch or open the eyes... or even to start listening to the noises around you. It takes a bit of practice but it is a very successful way of entering the State.

      There are two very different types of OOBE.

      * Astral Projection. This is a whole body projection into an environment that is commonly referred to in new-age writings as the Astral Realm. A strange word to use because it conjures up pre-conceived images of a starry mythical realm filled with beings of astral energy etc. However upon entering it, it’s soon realized that it is more familiar as the landscape or world you encounter when dreaming. But you have entered through the back door, and can objectively investigate and explore it without suffering from the sub-conscious imagery you are normally blinded by or the story-line you are normally wrapped up in when dreaming. Within the ‘Astral’... not even the sky is the limit. This environment, however real it seems may be considered a virtual world that is created by the projector or an actual authentic realm. Upon experiencing it, believing that it is real or fabricated matters not because it is indistinguishable from reality... even surpassing normal reality in quality and ‘reality’.

      * 1st Phase OOBE. This is seemingly a projection into this reality, often referred to in new-age philosophy as an ‘ethereal projection’. It is much more difficult to achieve because of the way it is entered; during Sleep Paralysis. Apart from the fact that it takes place in this time and reality, the main difference from AP is that instead of experiencing it in body, you are seemingly a free floating point of conscious awareness. This phase can lead on to 2nd Phase which is again experienced as a free floating consciousness but is not in this reality.

      Both of these different OOBEs are experienced by entering the state in varied degrees of deepness.

      PRE-SLEEP INDUCTION

      This method is the main one I personally use. I have used the other methods but this one when done correctly does make for a strong experience. It’s also the one I predominantly teach or rather explain. The main key to achieving it is the pre-sleep or nap. I previously posted this method but soon realized that it was too specific about hours spent in the nap and between the nap and going to to bed to enter the state. And it needed more explanation and a detailed phenomenological breakdown.

      The basic goal is to prime yourself by having an hour or an hour and a half of non-dream sleep in the evening. This nap can be taken at any time after 6pm providing that you are actually tired and that you attempt to induce the state within four hours at the most after waking.

      For example:

      if you decide to take an hour nap at 8pm and wake at 9pm make sure you attempt induction after 10 and before 1am.
      however, if you wait till after midnight then it is possible to have an hour nap, wake up for about half an hour then attempt induction. I have used this many times when it’s been impossible to get a good nap during the evening.

      All you have to remember is that you nap solidly and do not under any circumstances drift back off to sleep upon waking from it, otherwise you will dream and ruin your chance for state inducement.

      There is a certain way of feeling between the nap and state inducement that indicates that you are primed... the physical symptoms that indicate that you are primed for the state are among other things; itchy eyed, borderline tired and alert, slightly hypertensive or having the mild sensation that you may be coming down with a cold and a slow steady heart rate.

      Two things to note:

      * the nap or a non-dream pre-sleep is very important and could be considered the ‘key’ to the whole experience. *

      * Do not force the nap. You need to be sleepy for it to work.

      The only real way to make sure you are correctly primed is to induce the state and there are many effective ways to do this.

      First of all you have to lay down on a comfortable surface; a bed, a couch, a hammock, the back seat of a car, whatever you find comfortable. Any position will work. I personally lie on my back or side. It doesn’t matter whether you use a pillow or not. You can have bed covers on or not. Just make sure you are comfortable.
      Close your eyes... this sounds obvious, but some people actually ask ‘do I close my eyes?’
      Let your mind do its own thing for a couple of minutes... then try to quieten your mind. Don’t worry too much about this. The main thing is to lie as still as possible.

      A couple of things you should not pay any attention to because they are simply a waste of thought;

      *any limb or body twitches

      *the phosphorescent light show your eyes give off such as blobs of light etc

      *subtle localized buzzing in your muscles or fingertips

      *breathing

      *the position of your head

      All you need to think about at this point is to become calm and stay passively conscious. To let your body relax. This should take no more than 5 to 10 minutes.

      It’s at this point that you can use different methods to bring on the state.

      This is the one method I have used for 25 years and really can’t comment on others. I’m sure you may have one that you usually try inducing with... but for the sake of this guide try this one.

      When you feel relaxed start to think of a sound, word, song or name... think of it as though you are expecting to here it. Roll it around in your head. Imagine it in your head clearly. Alternatively you can simply imagine a voice rambling, or talking, as though talking to you. This imagined sound will start to take on a life of it’s own and may amplify.

      If you are trying to do this for more than ten minutes and nothing interesting happens, you probably aren’t primed for the occasion. I only say this because the state shift is quite rapid if the pre-sleep was done correctly. I will mention that ten minutes of just simply lying still can feel like a long time.

      If you are primed, when the sound increases you may feel a rush of alert relaxation washing over your body coupled with a distinct shift in conscious awareness. It’s a very difficult feeling to describe other than it is a ‘switch over’. You should feel like your awareness has took on a new spatiality. It almost feels like your head clears, like a bunged up nostril does when it clears after being blocked during a cold. You should also instinctively feel that you are in the state either because you have felt this before or that it is something new. At this point you must try to stay passive, calm and try to not get excited. A sound like you have your ears to a conch-shell should be heard. you may experience little intermittent bursts of rumbling - like the rumbling you hear when you strain your inner ear muscles when you yawn. Your limbs will feel like they have been anesthetized by Nitrous Oxide...

      Here’s a quick checklist of symptoms indicating successful entrance into the state:

      * a sudden rush of relaxation

      * a very distinct flip/shift/switch to a spatially different state of conscious awareness.

      * instinctive knowing that you are in the state.

      * auditory sensations like hissing, the sound of listening to a conch-shell and intermittent bursts of rumbling.

      * a tingling numbed anesthetized sensation, most noticeably in the limbs.

      At the point you realize you are in the state it is time to act quickly to enter an Astral Projection. Waiting for, or encouraging full vibrational sleep paralysis will make it possible to enter a 1st phase. For now we will walk before we can run and learn how to Astrally Project.

      Astral Projection

      Upon instant identification of entry into the state it is necessary to employ a swift separation technique to avoid becoming embroiled in full sleep paralysis. There are a multitude of separation methods such as, rolling out, dropping through the body, imagining a magnet pulling you out, imagining you are a balloon, picking a point in space to reach, imagining being propelled out like a rocket... and many many more. The one that is most effective for the purposes of this guide and because it is my most used method so far, is the ‘climbing the rope’ technique.

      You may want to place a pillow or cushion across your lower abdomen or lay with your hands on top of the bed covers before you start to relax. This ensures a soft surface so as to ease the transition of losing sensation in them. It’s up to you.

      Once you feel that you have shifted into the state you will have lost the tactile sensation of your hands but still retained the sensation of their relative position.. i.e. you will still know and feel that you have hands.

      What you need to do at this point is to actually reach up and grab a rope. Don’t visualize the rope... expect it to be there. Don’t worry about how it should feel just do it. I can’t stress this enough.

      * Do not ‘imagine’ yourself doing it.

      * Just do it.

      * Don’t think about it.

      * just do it.

      * The movement of your phantom limbs is instinctual.

      There will be a rope there... not necessarily an actual rope, made of fibers or hemp... it is simply a leverage point for you to grasp. Give no time to thinking about the rope, what it is, why it is there, how it is there or how you should move to grab it.

      JUST GRAB THE ROPE BECAUSE IT IS THERE ABOVE YOU READY TO BE GRABBED.

      The instant you have it pull yourself up... hand over hand... like you would if you were pulling yourself up a rope. Do it with deliberation... do it aggressively, steadily and fast. Pull yourself up the rope. Don’t even consider that you may be pulling yourself out of your physical or because of how real it seems that you must be doing it physically. Don’t pay * attention to any of the sensations. If there is resistance, put some struggle into it... pull hard. Eventually and quickly you should suddenly be ‘Free’.

      Failure usually takes place because of thinking too much or over analyzing what is happening. Also paying too much heed to sensations leads to considerable failure to stay in the state and out of body. These analytical thoughts should be reserved for after the experience and marked down in your journal. When you are in the state everything should be done on impulse and with deliberate action.

      failure to stay within the state will transpire if:

      * Too much thought is given trying to visualize the rope or analyzing what is happening.

      * Thinking about how the sensations feel.

      * pausing or remaining still too long - this can be as less as 5 seconds.

      * Believing that this can’t be happening or the disbelief that the rope is there.

      * Merely imagining movement.

      Success at staying within the state will transpire if:

      * you instantly acknowledge that the rope is there.

      * you get on with it.

      * You keep moving.

      * You take it for granted that you are doing it.

      Staying still and waiting for something to happen after the state shift, is the most common mistake beginners make; to no fault of their own. It is after all an amazing experience that feels more real than reality yet something they may never have experienced before. The secret is to be actively engaged yet flippant and passive throughout the experience. You may say that’s two opposites, but keep in mind that you do this when playing a video game or when engaged in sport.... you don’t think about what you are doing but you are totally absorbed in the activity. This is part of the mindset of the state.
      I chose the ‘climbing the rope’ technique because it consists of one very important thing... that of ‘action’ and vigorous ‘movement’, probably the most important aspect of staying within the state and Out of Body. Constant movement and observation is the key to ‘anchoring’ yourself in the ‘Astral’... any extended lapse in movement or doubt - which normally takes the form of thoughts of your actual physical body - will cause re-physicality and an end to the experience. You can however ‘rescue’ the experience by instantly realizing you are returning to the physical by anchoring yourself in the out of body state.

      Anchoring yourself in the ‘Astral’ body and Environment.

      Once you are out what now? If you think this for too long while staying still you will phase back into your physical. So, You literally have to anchor yourself in the experience. The main objective of anchoring is to keep you immersed in the experience by disassociating your conscious perception from your physical perception.
      The first thing you will most probably experience is blindness. So you can kill two birds with one stone by rubbing your hands together in front of your face and blowing on them... the tactile sensation of doing this will absolutely astound you and by concentrating on feeling and seeing, your hands will start to develop in your field of vision - very much like a polaroid picture appears. Look at your hands... the creases the folds of skin, your fingernails. The more you engross yourself in the OOBE the more you will see and feel. Reach out and feel for a floor, a wall... furniture. Keep on the move, constantly looking, moving, taking in the richness and amazing detail of the World around you. Try to keep your eyes on nearby objects... if you look too far into the distance you may end up there in an instant. You must keep active and engaged to root yourself. The more you anchor yourself the more vivid the world will be around you
      You can use the hand rubbing technique as a safety net at any point you feel yourself return to your physical.

      Do’s

      Be blatant and have intent

      touch your surroundings

      touch yourself, like your hands, your face etc

      investigate everything

      explore

      Don’ts

      Stay still

      worry

      doubt

      think of your physical body

      panic if you think you are losing clarity

      Remember - thought and intent controls environment and actions. * *

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      Sources: (read for people's experiences. I know the youtube video has reports of success from a few people)

      Youtube video part one:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9hETPjJlo

      Youtube video part two:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKglrf2-co0&feature=fvw

      Original Article: (you may need to register to view this link, but everything regarding the technique is already here)
      http://astralviewers.com/articles/ne...jection-guide/
      Last edited by Jay12341235; 06-06-2010 at 11:59 PM.

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      Interesting technique you have there! I'll be sure to try it out sometime this week!

      I only did read from Pre-Sleep Induction and onwards but it does seem worth the try. I was never into OOBE/AP but I may just try this. Your sound method has happened to me alot actually.

      Sometimes I'd be lying down in bed and think of my mom saying my name, then other people I knew would be saying it and sometimes it got louder for no reason ( i didn;t put any effort in) the same happens with some song's I know...

      Anyways great Tutorial
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      Before claiming it's "fantastic", thought, couldn't you, you know, TRY it? You said you would tonight, so couldn't you just wait 24 hours to see if it's worth anything?
      Looking forward to hearing if it worked for you.

      PS: also, your similar thread has disappeared from Unexplained Mysteries. Did you delete it or did they?

      2nd edit: never mind, found it again.
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      Can you summarize the technique?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Folqueraine View Post
      Before claiming it's "fantastic", thought, couldn't you, you know, TRY it? You said you would tonight, so couldn't you just wait 24 hours to see if it's worth anything?
      Looking forward to hearing if it worked for you.

      PS: also, your similar thread has disappeared from Unexplained Mysteries. Did you delete it or did they?

      2nd edit: never mind, found it again.
      Many people say this works, and I did get little results from this, but I'm going to keep trying. Beedekin on astralviewers.com is very helpful, and it's worth going to the site (maybe registering to get access to the articles if you want. I don't own the site so I don't get anything from it but I didn't know they were there until I registered) to check out his posts.

      Here is the same reply I posted in a similar forum about my experience with it last night, and again I'm going to keep trying until this works. The following quote is still me:

      I used this last night. Here's my scenario.


      The morning of the day I tried this
      Woke up at 10:50am, ate breakfast, everything was normal.

      Nap
      Napped at approx. 1:20am (time of falling asleep) and woke up at 2:20am

      Time of trying method
      Tried method at approx. 3:30am. About 20 minutes through, my whole body started to vibrate. This lasted for about 6 seconds. I'm not sure if I felt the "shift" he talks about in this method. I definitly didn't have the instinct that I was in the new state of awareness. Nothing else happened after this, I fell asleep.

      Has anyone else experienced the vibrating? Can someone give me some pointers?
      I did post this in unexplained mysteries. I posted this in three forums last night because it had such great results for many people and was not very well known.

      The reason I posted this without trying this is because it may not work 100% of the time. I would like to see if others have success with this method as well. Read some testimonials from the Youtube comments.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Saturos View Post
      Can you summarize the technique?
      Summarizing it would defeat the point of posting it. Read the whole thing, it's very helpful

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      Quote Originally Posted by marcher22 View Post
      Interesting technique you have there! I'll be sure to try it out sometime this week!

      I only did read from Pre-Sleep Induction and onwards but it does seem worth the try. I was never into OOBE/AP but I may just try this. Your sound method has happened to me alot actually.

      Sometimes I'd be lying down in bed and think of my mom saying my name, then other people I knew would be saying it and sometimes it got louder for no reason ( i didn;t put any effort in) the same happens with some song's I know...

      Anyways great Tutorial
      This is not mine, I take no credit for it. This is Beedekin's

      I strongly encourage you guys to try this out. I will post results of tonights experience here as well.

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      Beedekin's method works

      I've tried Beedekin's method and it's effective. It was on accident that I took a nap a few hours before my normal bedtime, but it resulted in a direct line to SP. (full disclosure: I included Beedekin's method with permission in my sleep paralysis ebook "Sleep Paralysis: A Dreamer's Guide).

      Even without the nap component, the other info is solid and fits with my experience. I really like the thought "Grab the rope, it's already there waiting to be pulled." For me, I usually "descend" in my SP journeys, into the pillow, and then the mattress, and finally into a vast empty space. From there I have lots of options of how to proceed: incubate where I want to go, wait to see what emerges on its own, etc.
      Spontaneous lucids - my favorite!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
      I've tried Beedekin's method and it's effective. It was on accident that I took a nap a few hours before my normal bedtime, but it resulted in a direct line to SP. (full disclosure: I included Beedekin's method with permission in my sleep paralysis ebook "Sleep Paralysis: A Dreamer's Guide).

      Even without the nap component, the other info is solid and fits with my experience. I really like the thought "Grab the rope, it's already there waiting to be pulled." For me, I usually "descend" in my SP journeys, into the pillow, and then the mattress, and finally into a vast empty space. From there I have lots of options of how to proceed: incubate where I want to go, wait to see what emerges on its own, etc.
      I'm glad this worked for you. Do you know him? I don't personally, just wanted to spread Bedeekin's technique around. I will let you know how my next experience turns out

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      hey Jay,

      we've corresponded through email, not met in person. When I started researching SP for my book last summer he came forward with his personal techniques. What's so interesting about these techniques is that everyone has their own way (it's not like a recipe! that's for sure), but reading how other people do it can be helpful to finding the trick that works for you.
      Spontaneous lucids - my favorite!

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      Awesome. Just tried this out. Have decided to try OBE for a good while. The fact that scary shit will happen, and feel real have scared me off for a while. I'm currently in a phase of life where i defy fears. For instance, Im having semi-phobia for spiders. Getting all shaky and all.. Recently picked one up. Hihi..
      Anyways. I tried this just 40 minutes ago. Before the phase shift, i felt with the arms, that laid cross over each other. I couldn't really feel the other arm with any arm. But i felt like they were there. They felt like spiritual, fluffy whip cream. Just swimming there in the empty wast. Tried for... Probably 20 minutes, to get that sound amplify. My main problem is the eyes. I can't keep the lids closed.
      Anyway. I did thought of a song, and somehow i felt like being 1 block away. Just the sight, from a perspective 2 floors up in another building. As i heard the music playing in my head, manually. I heard some groaning. Really threatful and sad groaning. I knew it was imagination. I tried to control it, cause this was before the shake-part. (youtube . com, search for Suicide Mouse, pretty creepy. The groaning there, that's how it did sound like). It grew louder and louder, and i could not hear my own music anymore. And i was scared.. of course.
      I felt.. Like really energic soda in my feet. That flew upwards towards my head. I could feel it. I could hear it running towards my head. I experienced it. I even saw it (not that i checked open-eyed). When it reached my head, the eyelids lightened up. I began to shake, just alittle. Like if the 'energic soda' got unstable. The groaning was just too much, and i interrupted it all. Decided to keep this in mind, remembering all this far. And try it another night. Awesome experience there. Though i did worry about my heartbeat when i canceled it. It felt like cold, a bit frostied water when i woke myself up, instead of energic soda. And my heart beat felt faster then usual. But i suppose this isn't anything to worry about?
      Thanks for the guide. Helpful for a noob like me^^

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      Hi, this sounds very interesting, but I'm confused with one thing: when exactly can you open your eyes? Should I still have my eyes closed while climbing the rope?

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      So you're supposed to nap, and then try it at your normal bedtime? Never heard of that before, definently gonna try it out. Problem for me is, naps in the evening are almost impossible, so I guess I'm gonna nap at midnight till 1:30am then try around 2:30.
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      Actually, I just tried this last night and I figured you don't actually have to nap.
      I'm like you and I've never really been able to nap and it takes me forever to fall asleep.
      I'm pretty sure the only reason the nap is required, is because you have to be very very calm in order to concentrate on not moving any muscles.

      I advise if you don't nap to drink some tea to relax and to listen to calming music as you try this. (:

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      Thanks For the heads up
      Lucid dreams, gotta love em.

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      I'd recommend to be physically active during the day. I usually have a long, hard time to fall asleep. But when i've been active, it's no problem at all. Anyway, to clear things up if you still don't know:
      Sleep for 90~ minutes. Wake up by some kind of alarm. Just dont sleep significantly more or less -> Stay awake for atleast an hour. And not more then 4h -> Go to bed. Lay down in a comfortable position and keep your mind awake. Play a song in your internal media library (in your head), think of a text, anything. Just keep your mind awake (After a while, you will feel your body parts falling asleep)-> Keep your mind active on a song or so, don't think too much. At this phase, when i didn't felt my body anymore, i heard sad and threatful groaning. And it was highly unpleasant for me, who lack experience. The groaning went louder and louder (you should experience something like this) and finally it will be louder then your own internal music. About then, you will feel "nutrioush energy" going from your legs up to your head. As for me, when i felt the energy flowing up in my head, my eyelids lightened up. Although the groaning and stressy moment that i had, scared me off. So that's when i woke up.
      And to answer your question short: You shouldn't open your eyes. You will have 'spirituall' ones. Blindness = you have to use your senses. Like examinating the environment, smell around, touch things..
      Best of luck! I still haven't succeeded.
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      I have tried similar ways of doing this without the nap, so I will give it a shot. Normally, on a "good" night, I can get right up to the point you describe without visualizing anything. Paralysis, tingling, even weightless feeling in the body, but I cannot for the love of god break free. I tried imagining a single point that open up, magnets, ropes (that I reach for and climb up), elevators rising, floating away, standing up etc and nothing happens. When I try to just "reach up" as you say, my physical hands just lift up and kill the feeling. Either that, or I am overcome with a massive surge of energy which is swift and acute and literally makes me jump as if startled, and from that point on everything just dissipates. Also if I try this for too long my body just starts to tilt up.

      This is extremely frustrating as I had some kind of projection once (I believe) where I just sat up out of my body and and stood up on the floor and saw myself sleeping. I walked around the house a bit and then it ended shortly after. For the last 15 years I have tried so many times to do this without success that hitting myself with a tack-hammer seems like a reasonable option to try

      so besides using the nap, is there anything else you can suggest for someone who is totally frustrated?

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      You shouldn't take the nap for granted. Without the nap component, this would be just another generic WILD/OBE tech. He said himself the nap is the key. I myself can't find the time for naps, and I never go to bed at the same time everyday. So even though this tech sounds good, I'll have to pass.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Elucive View Post
      You shouldn't take the nap for granted. Without the nap component, this would be just another generic WILD/OBE tech. He said himself the nap is the key. I myself can't find the time for naps, and I never go to bed at the same time everyday. So even though this tech sounds good, I'll have to pass.
      Same here. I work from home, have 2 kids, and as an artist who works on high-end projects I frequently have to pull long hours or get rush projects and keeping a normal schedule is difficult. Taking a nap in the middle of the day is usually out, and if I pass out early at night at 8 or 9, it's when I put my kids to bed, and then falling back to sleep an hour or 2 later is very difficult for me. I frequently suffer from insomnia as well which does not help, but sometimes because of my schedule I get to those "completely exhausted" stages where I fall into lucid dreams, or at least vivid dreams.

      I'm trying to find something that will work for me.

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      Interesting. I try it too whenever I can.
      Guys, I think, that the nap does not need to last an hour, I would say about 20-30 minutes . That`s long enough for mind to rest and organize things.

      liquidSamurai, If you can get to paralyzes so easy, you`re halfway there. I understand that you have a problem with getting out of body.
      hmmm.....I suggest you try something that needs instant action. Maybe try sparring with a friend, or some action game. Something in which you don`t have time to think. Then once you`re in sp state, do the same, don`t think about elevator or rope, don`t imagine, as BEEDEKIN says. Do it, the same way you defend from an attack, or just talk. When you talk with someone you don`t think what to say, you just say it. An instant answer. The moment you feel sp, get out.
      But I`m not a pro, so it`s just my opinion. You don`t have to listen to me

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      Quote Originally Posted by dilando View Post
      Interesting. I try it too whenever I can.
      liquidSamurai, If you can get to paralyzes so easy, you`re halfway there. I understand that you have a problem with getting out of body.
      hmmm.....I suggest you try something that needs instant action. Maybe try sparring with a friend, or some action game. Something in which you don`t have time to think. Then once you`re in sp state, do the same, don`t think about elevator or rope, don`t imagine, as BEEDEKIN says. Do it, the same way you defend from an attack, or just talk. When you talk with someone you don`t think what to say, you just say it. An instant answer. The moment you feel sp, get out.
      But I`m not a pro, so it`s just my opinion. You don`t have to listen to me
      I'm not really sure what you mean. Try sparring with a friend? wtf are you talking about?

      As far as SP, do you mean as soon as I feel my body go numb, or feel heavy, or in that farther stage where I feel a bit lighter or don't feel my limbs, that I should try and get up or roll over or something?

      I tried again the other night as I came so close yet again, wether it was a projection or lucid dream I felt like I was deep in paralysis and my hypnogogic images were much more intense with blobs of purple and blue that were morphing which I never saw before. Then I felt some kind of "switch", like something was just different, and it felt like I heard a different frequency in my ears. Then the HI turned into a static brighter pattern that resembled a bright, swirly, fogged sky with stars in it. but I could not break free.

      At that point it was strange. My legs twitched twice where they actually moved, pretty drastic twitch. Then it felt as if I was going to leave body, I got this very light feeling like I was going to rise straight up. But instead, I practically sat up without trying, in a calm, fluid motion. My torso lifted almost up in a sitting position and my arms raised over my head, without me doing anything. It was very bizarre and also pissed me off when I realized my body decided to move by itself. Maybe I'm thinking/concentrating too much and my brain is like, "well, he wants to go up apparently so let's see what I can do."

      I don't know what the hell is holding me back but it's enough to make me scream.

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      Try everything. For me it was moment at the very beginning of SP. I had a feeling in back of my had, that I will get paralyzed and I somehow knew, that I have to get out in that moment. For you it might be something else, you have to experiment with that.
      By sparring I meant an exercise for fast reacting. It seems the more time you take, the harder it is to OOBE. Sorry about the association, too much games
      Don`t worry about getting out too fast and losing the sensation. If you stay still it should come back in couple seconds.

      I tried beedekin techniques yesterday. Somehow I ended having a nap and then going to bed four hours later. But I lost concentration and fell asleep
      I`ll do it next time.....I think

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      I'm confused about this. He says not to imagine pulling yourself up the rope and to do it? You're not actually supposed to pull yourself up with your physical hands are you? lol...i'm confused...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Prince_RIP View Post
      I'm confused about this. He says not to imagine pulling yourself up the rope and to do it? You're not actually supposed to pull yourself up with your physical hands are you? lol...i'm confused...
      Yeah, it`s hard to explain it. What he means is that it has to be a reflex, not a thought. It`s the easiest way I can explain. Like when you`re driving. When you learn, you imagine and think, where is gas, where is brake and stuff. But once you master it all it becomes a reflex, without a thought about what are you doing.
      You're not supposed to pull yourself up with your physical hands. That`s why you`re in SP state. You can`t move you hands, so when you try to climb, when you succeed, you can turn around to see yourself sleeping.
      aaaa, you`re cute when you sleep

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