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    1. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Thanks! Yeah, it definitely had me going! I had all kinds of crazy dreams while we were gone, too bad I barely recorded any of them lol.
      And even though you're back, it sounds like you are hamstrung by your technology situation! Hopefully you've got some kind of way to record the LDs that I know you're continuing to have.

      Consider yourself lucky! Hehe, yeah, it was pretty awesome. =D I definitely get the idea of sticking to what works, it's hard to break out of that sometimes! It's nice when you take a shot at something new and it works though. =) That would be badass if you managed to summon something in a Colosseum battle though!! You'd better write about it if you do.
      Heh, if there's one thing I'm reliable about, it's getting insanely excited about each and every LD and writing it down. And an LD where I battle in the Colosseum? Oh yeah!! Pity that I've been trying on and off to have a Colosseum battle for the whole year, but hey, hope springs eternal. =D

      It sucks, doesn't it? But yes, it is better than nothing! And it least you get to experience it in its entirety, even if it doesn't all come back with you. Hallucinogen experiences are the same way. It's a shame what amazing things our mind can do that it just can't record because they're too weird!
      Yeah, you're right. This is the hard thing about great experiences of all types. You can only hang on to so much of them. The rest you just... borrow for a time, I guess. Good example with hallucinogens. Stories about those experiences always seem to have that aspect of it. Like the narrator is not only trying to make you understand it, but also struggling to regain their own understanding and memory of what they saw and felt, and somehow make it fit into the framework of what the mind in its current state can understand. Crazy.

      The only solution I know is to just keep having LDs as often as possible. Giving that my best shot.
    2. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Congrats again on keeping the LDs rolling while you were on vacation! I don't know what vacation was like for you, but I find that the combination of getting a little more sleep and all of the novel sights and stimulation is great for dreaming.
      Thanks! Yeah, it definitely had me going! I had all kinds of crazy dreams while we were gone, too bad I barely recorded any of them lol.

      The star of the show has got to be that "staring right at it" wrench summon. I haven't gone for one of those myself in a really, really long time. I'm a lot better with dream control than I was in those days but I've gotten so used to summoning by imagining and then looking that it's kinda always the only way I want to go. There's a strong tendency for me to want to cling to what's working, especially since these days summoning is usually the means to some other end that's my "real goal".

      But this kind of summon would be seriously awesome to pull off. Maybe I'll summon a drill or a hammer. I could use it for a Colosseum battle since I've never really had the problem of dealing with screaming LD fangirls.
      Consider yourself lucky! Hehe, yeah, it was pretty awesome. =D I definitely get the idea of sticking to what works, it's hard to break out of that sometimes! It's nice when you take a shot at something new and it works though. =) That would be badass if you managed to summon something in a Colosseum battle though!! You'd better write about it if you do.

      I'm glad that you remember as much as you do about these. Right after you wake up from them, it's hard to believe how quickly these super-vivid experiences might fade from your memory. I've become pretty uncompromising about at least getting rough but detailed notes written out as soon as I can. The hardest thing for me about LDing, though, is the fact that the emotions and images that you get when remembering these dreams are just shadows of the actual experience. You can hold onto the nuts and bolts of the what happened, but the memory of the experience is a mediocre substitute for the actual experience. It's the best we've got, though, at least in waking life!

      Good stuff... hope you keep this momentum going!
      It sucks, doesn't it? But yes, it is better than nothing! And it least you get to experience it in its entirety, even if it doesn't all come back with you. Hallucinogen experiences are the same way. It's a shame what amazing things our mind can do that it just can't record because they're too weird!

      And thanks again!
    3. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Congrats again on keeping the LDs rolling while you were on vacation! I don't know what vacation was like for you, but I find that the combination of getting a little more sleep and all of the novel sights and stimulation is great for dreaming.

      The star of the show has got to be that "staring right at it" wrench summon. I haven't gone for one of those myself in a really, really long time. I'm a lot better with dream control than I was in those days but I've gotten so used to summoning by imagining and then looking that it's kinda always the only way I want to go. There's a strong tendency for me to want to cling to what's working, especially since these days summoning is usually the means to some other end that's my "real goal".

      But this kind of summon would be seriously awesome to pull off. Maybe I'll summon a drill or a hammer. I could use it for a Colosseum battle since I've never really had the problem of dealing with screaming LD fangirls.

      I'm glad that you remember as much as you do about these. Right after you wake up from them, it's hard to believe how quickly these super-vivid experiences might fade from your memory. I've become pretty uncompromising about at least getting rough but detailed notes written out as soon as I can. The hardest thing for me about LDing, though, is the fact that the emotions and images that you get when remembering these dreams are just shadows of the actual experience. You can hold onto the nuts and bolts of the what happened, but the memory of the experience is a mediocre substitute for the actual experience. It's the best we've got, though, at least in waking life!

      Good stuff... hope you keep this momentum going!
      Updated 06-07-2013 at 11:00 PM by CanisLucidus
    4. NyxCC's Avatar
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      Oh, the part of being overwhelmed with lots of new info makes sense for messing up with memory. I noticed I have trouble recalling conversations with unfamiliar DCs and concluded something similar. About doors, I think it still is a good scene changing tech, but it may require a greater level of control. Changing the scene involves letting go for a while, and then holding on to the dream once again so that it doesn't slip away, and it takes at least in my case lots of practice to learn to do that properly.
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      That seems contrary to the logic of a lot of stabilisation techs where the principle is to force the brain to generate more dream content (spinning etc.)

      Don't forget the role of expectation, if you think that walking through doors will destabilise then it likely will.

      Awesome dream, anyhow, flying is one of those things that's just gets better each time you do it.
    6. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Quote Originally Posted by CanisLucidus
      Sounds like a wonderful LD. There's just something about flight, isn't there? Love the scenery and setting, plus the casual "not-even-trying" summon at the end. That's really the best way, isn't it? Name pops into your head, and you just assume "they're around here somewhere". And guess what? There they are.

      Congratulations on the LD!
      Thank you! Flying is pretty wonderful. And that really is the best way to summon, or go about pretty much anything really. =) If only we were all used to casually expecting all kinds of crazy superpowers to manifest, we would have it easy in the dream world.

      Quote Originally Posted by NyxCC
      What a great dream! I love flying, it feels amazing.
      That thing you remembered about doors, did you really read something irl or that was a dream memory? My surroundings change quite a bit when I go through doors, even if I don't intend it.
      Thanks! Yeah, isn't it great? The door thing is real. They did a study on people and found that walking through a doorway actually did mess with their short-term memory, I would presume because once you enter a new room you suddenly have to deal with a new set of surroundings. After reading that I thought back to many lucid experiences I've had where walking through a door destabilized the dream, and I decided that it probably was in my best interest not to do so anymore lol. I don't need them, anyway.
      Updated 05-19-2013 at 02:38 AM by Alyzarin
    7. NyxCC's Avatar
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      What a great dream! I love flying, it feels amazing.
      That thing you remembered about doors, did you really read something irl or that was a dream memory? My surroundings change quite a bit when I go through doors, even if I don't intend it.
    8. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Sounds like a wonderful LD. There's just something about flight, isn't there? Love the scenery and setting, plus the casual "not-even-trying" summon at the end. That's really the best way, isn't it? Name pops into your head, and you just assume "they're around here somewhere". And guess what? There they are.

      Congratulations on the LD!
    9. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Thanks! Hehe, I thought it was nice. Too bad for DCs that they don't know about my inexplicable dream strength! Seriously... this is not the first time I've brought down the pain on someone lol.
    10. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Ha, nice! Had it coming indeed. An awkward but fitting end to this little dinner party.
    11. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Actually, another thing that comes to mind is this study I read a while back.... They put cameras on peoples' heads and basically what they did is had two different people with cameras wearing goggles that were hooked up to the other person's cameras look down at their body.... So basically, they were seeing each others' bodies from the same angle you would expect to see your own in while looking down. Then, they did something like poking the same part of each of their body with a pen or pencil or something like that, and brushing their fingers in the same spots at the same time, and they were able to give the people the fully real sensation that they had actually switched bodies. Their brains just took all of it in and thought "Oh, so I guess this is who I am now." and made it feel real. Is there any reason at all that it couldn't easily just be doing the same thing with our simulated point of view in our dream/intensified thought process, to solidify the delusion and make us think it's real?
    12. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      You're right! What's amazing to me is how good the mind is at filling in very complex pieces, such as all of the wit, personality, and expressive nuance required to build a truly intelligent, interesting DC. It makes you realize that the subconscious can fulfill some very complex, demanding orders.

      Makes me think of those times when my mind will randomly start blaring some totally badass soundtrack and I'm just rolling with it, thinking in the back of my mind, Now where the hell did that come from? I need to ask for an awesome soundtrack in the next dream. And that's just the start of what I'd like to see the subC draw up...
      You know, I've been thinking a lot about this lately.... There are people who say that there really is no such thing as the "conscious" and "subconscious" mind, that they're really just one thing, and I think I'm starting to agree with them. 'Cause see, I used to think of it as the prefrontal cortex was sort of like your conscious mind and the amygdala was your subconscious mind, but now I'm thinking those might be misnomers.... Perhaps a better way to put it would be the lucid mind and the non-lucid mind, where the amygdala is the one and only "mind" and the prefrontal cortex is simply one of its important power generators. That is to say, the prefrontal cortex is what makes your mind become more complex and intricate, going from the reptilian brain mode of constantly trying to figure out what to do next to a point where you can think on a higher level and make choices, like choosing not to think at all. The reason I put it that way is because... well, you know, by default it would seem that being awake you're able to choose whether or not to think which gives you the "conscious" choice and when you're in a dream your "thoughts" (the dream world) are happening on their own which makes them subconscious, but it's not really that at all, it's just that you don't realize that you have a choice, because when you become lucid you can just stop doing anything and the dream, or your thoughts, will end.... In that way, it would make perfect sense to me that your mind can pump out such complex demands because it's the exact same mind that you have while you're awake only it's even more active, and when you become lucid it even gains access to the same levels of intricacy. The dream is just you thinking to an incredible extreme, and since we're able to come up with these kinds of fantasies on our own when awake there's no reason we shouldn't be able to in dreams as well. After all, it's not like the dreams are even places we actually are, the "us" that we perceive ourselves as in the dream is just another part of the thought process, like picturing a situation that you're in while awake but strong enough that you're actually visualizing it from your own point of view.... And honestly, even when I think about thinks like expectations, even the ones we don't put effort into, it all comes together. People blame their subconscious, but really, you're consciously creating the dream world as you live it, because even when you're non-lucid the only things that will exist in the dream are the things that you're aware of on some level....

      I don't know.... Am I making any sense?

      I definitely agree about the music though, I've heard some pretty awesome songs in my dreams lol. But the really frustrating part about them is when you wake up and they immediately vanish from memory.

      Wow, great example. I'm pro-LD all the way, but I see what you mean about certain NLDs. If the NLD convinces you that the world is different in some fundamental way, it really is giving you something that an LD never could. In this case, the illusion of the scenario being real is the whole trick. When you take that away, the fantasy is spoiled.

      Those are the sorts of dreams it's kind of devastating to wake up from. I had one sort of like that a few weeks back.
      Yep yep. That's what I really enjoy about hallucinogens too, and like I've said before, being in that in between phase where you don't know what's real and what isn't.... It's crazy stuff.

      What was your dream about, if you don't me asking?
      Updated 05-08-2013 at 11:05 PM by Alyzarin
    13. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Congrats on the LD... nice dream control! You know, I get that "high-rise overlooking the city" scene a lot too and I have no idea why. I spend most of the time with my feet pretty close to sea level and I'm not getting invited to a lot of fancy parties in high-rise apartments.

      I'm having a hard time picturing that freak-deaky kaleidoscope effect with your arms at the end. I wonder where that came from! The smearing effect sounds a lot like a video game glitch that might happen if you clip through the floors or walls and it quits blanking out the screen properly.
      Thanks! And you get that too!? It's weird right? I wonder what the hell it is about that, maybe that's just the mind's way of using the mental map's full capacity without having to put you anywhere but a regular room still....

      The arm thing was definitely weird, that's for sure lol. It was psychedelic. By the way, that little game glitch description you just gave describes one of the effects of psychedelics really well, it causes your vision to not update immediately and so you get "tracers" or copies of images dragging behind the original, usually in inverted or rainbow colors. That's probably what inspired it....

      It was actually kind of like the sex scene from Fight Club, the way it smeared out....

      (Magical animal cruelty and dog-launching aside.)
      That's called lucidity my friend, you can't let a hallucination stop you from achieving your goals.
    14. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Congrats on the LD... nice dream control! (Magical animal cruelty and dog-launching aside.) You know, I get that "high-rise overlooking the city" scene a lot too and I have no idea why. I spend most of the time with my feet pretty close to sea level and I'm not getting invited to a lot of fancy parties in high-rise apartments.

      I'm having a hard time picturing that freak-deaky kaleidoscope effect with your arms at the end. I wonder where that came from! The smearing effect sounds a lot like a video game glitch that might happen if you clip through the floors or walls and it quits blanking out the screen properly.
    15. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      I wholeheartedly agree! But really, you're just practicing the same old learning techniques you've been using your whole life. The same ones that prevented you from walking through walls. This is how I think about it, anyway.... You see that DCs can be smart, and so you both start expecting them to be that way, as you said.... So now you've both got the "DCs are intelligent." schema. And the second you become lucid, it kicks in because your brain instantly realizes (assuming you're aware enough) that everyone you talk that it's generating is a DC and, therefor, intelligent. You know? If you stopped thinking that and just ignored them they would just stop being smart or disappear all together, just like how the walls stop being solid. By focusing on their intelligence you give power to it. Makes enough sense to me!
      You're right! What's amazing to me is how good the mind is at filling in very complex pieces, such as all of the wit, personality, and expressive nuance required to build a truly intelligent, interesting DC. It makes you realize that the subconscious can fulfill some very complex, demanding orders.

      Makes me think of those times when my mind will randomly start blaring some totally badass soundtrack and I'm just rolling with it, thinking in the back of my mind, Now where the hell did that come from? I need to ask for an awesome soundtrack in the next dream. And that's just the start of what I'd like to see the subC draw up...

      Yeah, people never get it when I tell them a non-lucid can be even better than a lucid, but really being aware of the illusory nature of dreams just puts a different perspective on it for me I guess. But I think it's just true anyway, even if most people haven't had the proper dreams to experience it. The one I usually reference is the the non-lucid where I truly believed I had died and gone to some sort of heaven. What an incredible feeling.... You won't get that from a lucid.
      Wow, great example. I'm pro-LD all the way, but I see what you mean about certain NLDs. If the NLD convinces you that the world is different in some fundamental way, it really is giving you something that an LD never could. In this case, the illusion of the scenario being real is the whole trick. When you take that away, the fantasy is spoiled.

      Those are the sorts of dreams it's kind of devastating to wake up from. I had one sort of like that a few weeks back.
    16. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      You know, that really makes a lot of sense. Of course, all of this happens subconsciously, so you can't definitively put the pieces together and say "Oh that talking cat? Totally a cross between Aunt Matilda, Xanous, and Robin Williams." But both Xanous and I have both found that by simply expecting for DCs to be intelligent and interesting, you make it so. Just like with any other aspect of dream control, but even more surprising IMO... it's one thing to "expect" to fly and then do it. IMO it's quite another to "expect" a DC to be interesting and communicative... and for your mind to fill all of that in.

      I'm excited by this idea that expectation can be so non-specific and that your subconscious will give you so much. It hints at a great potential for all of us to shape our dream content in ways that will give us what we want yet still be interesting and surprising.
      I wholeheartedly agree! But really, you're just practicing the same old learning techniques you've been using your whole life. The same ones that prevented you from walking through walls. This is how I think about it, anyway.... You see that DCs can be smart, and so you both start expecting them to be that way, as you said.... So now you've both got the "DCs are intelligent." schema. And the second you become lucid, it kicks in because your brain instantly realizes (assuming you're aware enough) that everyone you talk that it's generating is a DC and, therefor, intelligent. You know? If you stopped thinking that and just ignored them they would just stop being smart or disappear all together, just like how the walls stop being solid. By focusing on their intelligence you give power to it. Makes enough sense to me!

      That really is interesting. For me, lucids feel a lot like reality. Yeah, something's off for sure, but I must keep in mind that I'm dreaming or I'm in serious danger of getting swept up in some emotion, dream plot element, or DC connivance and forgetting that it's all a dream. Your perception sounds like a good trait for becoming lucid and exercising dream control, for sure.

      And in a sense, I guess that gives you a special appreciation for your NLDs, where the illusion is still intact...
      Yeah, people never get it when I tell them a non-lucid can be even better than a lucid, but really being aware of the illusory nature of dreams just puts a different perspective on it for me I guess. But I think it's just true anyway, even if most people haven't had the proper dreams to experience it. The one I usually reference is the the non-lucid where I truly believed I had died and gone to some sort of heaven. What an incredible feeling.... You won't get that from a lucid.
    17. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      I tend to think of them like tulpas - the more work you put into them, the more developed they are. The main difference is that a tulpa you have to force into existence because you're awake, but when you're dreaming your mind is already pumping out shells for various personalities to inhabit. Whether it comes down to being someone you know, or being a stereotype that you're just very familiar with, the more you add to those schema with your experiences, whether consciously or subconsciously, the more depth the DC will have, and the less others will by comparison.... Does that ring true with your dreams?
      You know, that really makes a lot of sense. Of course, all of this happens subconsciously, so you can't definitively put the pieces together and say "Oh that talking cat? Totally a cross between Aunt Matilda, Xanous, and Robin Williams." But both Xanous and I have both found that by simply expecting for DCs to be intelligent and interesting, you make it so. Just like with any other aspect of dream control, but even more surprising IMO... it's one thing to "expect" to fly and then do it. IMO it's quite another to "expect" a DC to be interesting and communicative... and for your mind to fill all of that in.

      I'm excited by this idea that expectation can be so non-specific and that your subconscious will give you so much. It hints at a great potential for all of us to shape our dream content in ways that will give us what we want yet still be interesting and surprising.

      It was a bizarre feeling for sure, and definitely didn't make me feel good, but from what I can tell my case was relatively minor, at least on the emotional side. Luckily I stopped going so crazy with it when I realized what was starting to happen.... But yes, it definitely did add to my dream control, at least I think it did. See, I'm back to my old ways of experiencing waking reality, but my lucid dreams are just like the world was at those times. Nothing that happens to me in a dream seems completely real, no matter how vivid it is. Remember when I had that crazy vivid one before and I said it was almost like I was too lucid to forget I was dreaming? It's sort of related to that because it's like no matter what I do I can't not realize that the dream world is nothing but a simulated perception. I guess that's why lots of different powers come so naturally to me now. Of course, even though I don't experience my waking reality like that anymore I still always think about it based on those experiences anyway, so my understanding of it just increases over time and I think that adds to the dream control too. It definitely gives a unique perspective....
      That really is interesting. For me, lucids feel a lot like reality. Yeah, something's off for sure, but I must keep in mind that I'm dreaming or I'm in serious danger of getting swept up in some emotion, dream plot element, or DC connivance and forgetting that it's all a dream. Your perception sounds like a good trait for becoming lucid and exercising dream control, for sure.

      And in a sense, I guess that gives you a special appreciation for your NLDs, where the illusion is still intact...
    18. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Nice, you were really on fire there! Good of you to stop at 5... gotta save some for the rest of us. =)
      Of course! I wouldn't be that greedy.

      Couldn't agree more! DCs have gotten more and more fun over time. While I haven't worked out quite yet what makes some DCs relatively flat and others so interesting and autonomous, but like everything else I imagine that it's down to expectation. There's some real magic there, though. You don't consciously write the dialogue for them, but there's no need -- the subC seems to do a better job with that stuff anyway!
      I tend to think of them like tulpas - the more work you put into them, the more developed they are. The main difference is that a tulpa you have to force into existence because you're awake, but when you're dreaming your mind is already pumping out shells for various personalities to inhabit. Whether it comes down to being someone you know, or being a stereotype that you're just very familiar with, the more you add to those schema with your experiences, whether consciously or subconsciously, the more depth the DC will have, and the less others will by comparison.... Does that ring true with your dreams?

      Thanks! And while I'm sure that the experience of derealization (I just learned a new word) was horrifying, that sort of mindset is probably exactly what you need for good dream control. Do you think that experiences like this helped you to be a bit more of a natural at dream control? For most, the idea that everything you see is really just a perception and not tied to any solid "reality"... that's pretty brain-bending. I mean, I BS'd about that kind of stuff with my buddies in the dorm or whatever, but to really feel that? Very novel experience, but exactly what you have to be aware of in the dream world.
      It was a bizarre feeling for sure, and definitely didn't make me feel good, but from what I can tell my case was relatively minor, at least on the emotional side. Luckily I stopped going so crazy with it when I realized what was starting to happen.... But yes, it definitely did add to my dream control, at least I think it did. See, I'm back to my old ways of experiencing waking reality, but my lucid dreams are just like the world was at those times. Nothing that happens to me in a dream seems completely real, no matter how vivid it is. Remember when I had that crazy vivid one before and I said it was almost like I was too lucid to forget I was dreaming? It's sort of related to that because it's like no matter what I do I can't not realize that the dream world is nothing but a simulated perception. I guess that's why lots of different powers come so naturally to me now. Of course, even though I don't experience my waking reality like that anymore I still always think about it based on those experiences anyway, so my understanding of it just increases over time and I think that adds to the dream control too. It definitely gives a unique perspective....

      Thanks, and congratulations again on the home run!
      And thanks again!
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      Hehehe yep, four if you count the micro. (I'm borrowing your cool word. =P) I was ready to go for five and make it a full-on binge, but I had company and things to do. I don't know if I would have been able to go back to sleep by then anyway though, I was pretty energized.
      Nice, you were really on fire there! Good of you to stop at 5... gotta save some for the rest of us. =)

      Having dream companions is fun! =D You should try it more often lol. I've actually had entire crowds of DCs follow me for a bit, I can usually get them to start singing or chanting with me. I think it's just because in waking life I generally try to stay particularly aware of the group I'm in and where everyone is and what they're doing, so I can move around and talk to people and not have anyone feeling left out. Maybe that helps with them staying solid in my dreams?
      Couldn't agree more! DCs have gotten more and more fun over time. While I haven't worked out quite yet what makes some DCs relatively flat and others so interesting and autonomous, but like everything else I imagine that it's down to expectation. There's some real magic there, though. You don't consciously write the dialogue for them, but there's no need -- the subC seems to do a better job with that stuff anyway!

      That would be a cool way to go about that task! Good luck if you give it a shot. Hehe, I just thought it would be a good idea in the moment! I had actually thought about it before but I think this was my first time putting into effect in my dreams. Back when I used to trip a lot I went through a phase of some derealization where you start to see your perceptions as just that, rather than really feeling incorporated into the world, and ever since then I've had a big interest in the way the visual system works. Length and width are solid parameters of everything we see, but ultimately that's all it is, just a flat image that we work with... depth is just an illusion, defined entirely by our perceptions of the external world. Given this, in a dream length and width are still very real, but there's no such thing as depth. Everything is just a trick of the mind, that third dimension is set up however you want to think of it....
      Thanks! And while I'm sure that the experience of derealization (I just learned a new word) was horrifying, that sort of mindset is probably exactly what you need for good dream control. Do you think that experiences like this helped you to be a bit more of a natural at dream control? For most, the idea that everything you see is really just a perception and not tied to any solid "reality"... that's pretty brain-bending. I mean, I BS'd about that kind of stuff with my buddies in the dorm or whatever, but to really feel that? Very novel experience, but exactly what you have to be aware of in the dream world.

      But thanks! I hope you get some too, because this night kicked ass!
      Thanks, and congratulations again on the home run!
    20. <s><span class='glow_FF1493'>Alyzarin</span></s>'s Avatar
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      Hehehe yep, four if you count the micro. (I'm borrowing your cool word. =P) I was ready to go for five and make it a full-on binge, but I had company and things to do. I don't know if I would have been able to go back to sleep by then anyway though, I was pretty energized.

      Having dream companions is fun! =D You should try it more often lol. I've actually had entire crowds of DCs follow me for a bit, I can usually get them to start singing or chanting with me. I think it's just because in waking life I generally try to stay particularly aware of the group I'm in and where everyone is and what they're doing, so I can move around and talk to people and not have anyone feeling left out. Maybe that helps with them staying solid in my dreams?

      That would be a cool way to go about that task! Good luck if you give it a shot. Hehe, I just thought it would be a good idea in the moment! I had actually thought about it before but I think this was my first time putting into effect in my dreams. Back when I used to trip a lot I went through a phase of some derealization where you start to see your perceptions as just that, rather than really feeling incorporated into the world, and ever since then I've had a big interest in the way the visual system works. Length and width are solid parameters of everything we see, but ultimately that's all it is, just a flat image that we work with... depth is just an illusion, defined entirely by our perceptions of the external world. Given this, in a dream length and width are still very real, but there's no such thing as depth. Everything is just a trick of the mind, that third dimension is set up however you want to think of it....

      But thanks! I hope you get some too, because this night kicked ass!
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