Ouija Board Play or Peril ?

[Awaken4e1]

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[spoon]

So uh, what makes you think this belongs in the philosophy forum? You didnt even write anything. You do know there are other sections of this forum, yes?

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by spoon
So uh, what makes you think this belongs in the philosophy forum? You didnt even write anything. You do know there are other sections of this forum, yes?

This would be a philosophical study of weather the spirit realm is manipulated by man's actions? And if so is it play or peril?....Is that simple enough for you?

I know that some people must be 'spoon' feed...

[kimpossible]

ah aH AH bullshit!

Whew. Sorry. Allergies.

[spoon]

Next time you post something, why not just include some text to direct the discussion where you want it to go - a five word thread title gives no information. I honestly thought you were joking and thought it would better fit in senseless banter.

I'm going to go with kim on this one:

Ouija Boards:

a) Peril
B) Play
c) Bullshit

... c thanks!

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by spoon
Next time you post something, why not just include some text to direct the discussion where you want it to go - a five word thread title gives no information. I honestly thought you were joking and thought it would better fit in senseless banter.

I'm going to go with kim on this one:

Ouija Boards:

a) Peril
B) Play
c) Bullshit

... c thanks!

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[AirRick101]

I played Ouija, but never got to experience possession, spiritual sightings, and all of that good stuff. ok, I mean, I tried to play ouija. I put my hands on the thing, tried both concentrating and not concentrating, and even tried to fool myself by moving it in the back of my mind. Sorry I suck at the game, I just have too much self control, I guess.

I say you don't need to worry about it. If you believe in evil entities, that suggestion alone will contribute in making a fearful reality rather parallel to that. Anyway, I got more out of playing poker or a LAN Halo tourney.

[Gwendolyn]

It's just a game......It's absurd to think some mass marketed piece of bullshit would actually attract spirirts or some other supernatural phenomina assuming those things exist.

[Awaken4e1]

Contrary to popular beliefs, and lore the only documented case of exorcism began with playing the Ouija.

[Ynot]

Ouija boards are (imo, anyway) bollocks
but I have seen automatic writing
that was one of the freakiest things I have ever experienced

[Universal Mind]

When we were kids, my brother and his friend asked a ouija board how old I will be when I die. It, well, their hand movements, said I would be 32. I remember bringing that up to him on my 33rd birthday.

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Originally posted by kimpossible
ah aH AH bullshit!

Whew. Sorry. Allergies.
That never gets old. :rolllaugh:

As for me, I recently heard a \"ghost hunter\" bade people not to use Ouija boards to open doors to other realms -- but c'mon, the name means \"yes-yes\", in two languages; the thing's just a yes-man, playing on your own movments and emotions.

Originally posted by Ynot
but I have seen automatic writing
that was one of the freakiest things I have ever experienced
On another board, I am the appointed teacher/expert of the art of Automatic Writing. Ask any questions you like, I'll be glad to answer. As I said over there, I've been doing that for years now. It's a truly spiritually satisfying experience.

[kimpossible]

Let's pretend for a moment that the whole concept isn't bullshit.

How does a Ouija Board differ from the cute new pair of boots I bought from the Nine West outlet?

How do we know that those cute mass-produced sweat-shop-labor boots aren't going to open a nexus to a nasty spirit world? I mean, what's the difference between them and the aforementioned Toys-'R'-Us staple? (Other than that they were on sale and they're cuter, the latter already having been well-established.)

[AirRick101]

I've had more misfortune with a pair of running shoes from Wal-Mart rather than my tamperings with the Ouija game....

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by kimpossible
Let's pretend for a moment that the whole concept isn't bullshit.

How does a Ouija Board differ from the cute new pair of boots I bought from the Nine West outlet?

How do we know that those cute mass-produced sweat-shop-labor boots aren't going to open a nexus to a nasty spirit world? I mean, what's the difference between them and the aforementioned Toys-'R'-Us staple? (Other than that they were on sale and they're cuter, the latter already having been well-established.)

Just as your cute little boots are an inanimate object, with no specific paranormal abilities, so also is the Ouija Board. But, there is a clear and distinct difference in the intended function of the game, and your cute little boots.

It is by design a tool which facilitates people’s ability to focus their own spiritual abilities onto the game, thereby giving a real source of power to the game, from the player’s themselves. Their mental and spiritual projections are manifest in the function of the game.

Under the control of the most powerful of those present among the players, there is a focal point ‘if you will’ establish among the players, and offend the most power spirit drawn to these manifestations of power are not among the players themselves, but of those whom the focused of power has attracted. It is the power of those involved within the game, which gives the game its power.

The Rev.

[Rakkantekimusouka]

I agree, for the most part. :content:

[kimpossible]

So why can't my cute (did I mention they were cute) new boots be used as a focal point? Surely they could. And then all these nasty spirits would start possessing my cute boots and then they wouldn't be so cute any more.

I think I'll invest in a Ouija Board - kinda like a glue-trap-for-spirits. Just to keep 'em from possessing my boots.

[Universal Mind]

You could paint a bunch of letters on your wall and then ask your wall a question. After you ask it, throw your boot behind you and then quickly turn around to see where the boot hits. See what words end up getting spelled out. If this becomes a fad, people will start saying, "I think demons control boots, and you shouldn't be playing with them."

I also want to mention that a lot of people play with ouija boards with no thought of talking to spirits.

[InTheMoment]

Ouija Boards are nothing more than tangible outlets to nurture delusional notions.

[nerve]

HAHAHA little bobby has milk and cookies with his ouija board! i read Hitler books with my milk and cookies.

[Rakkantekimusouka]

I've always wanted to read Mein Kampf; have you read it yet? If you do, could you please tell me if it's any good? Thanks. :content:

[scorpifly]

what if the game is digital? if I play it online, will I be haunted by the " Lawnmower Man" or something similar?

[kimpossible]

"Mein Kampf" if a must-read. If for nothing other than better understanding human nature.

[AirRick101]

And Ouija becomes really annoying when I try to explain to people how to really pronounce it.

[WindsOfPlague]

Ever since 7th grade, I will never touch another one of those things again. Ever since that night, my house has been haunted as all hell. No joke.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by WindsOfPlague
Ever since 7th grade, I will never touch another one of those things again. Ever since that night, my house has been haunted as all hell. No joke.

Please share how it happened...

[InTheMoment]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1


Please share how it happened...
Wait! Let's all gather around the campfire. I'll bring the S'mores.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by InTheMoment

Wait! Let's all gather around the campfire. I'll bring the S'mores.

Don't forget to hold hands...

[WindsOfPlague]

I dont talk about it to anyone. Not even my sister, and we are closer than anyone i know.

I was in 7th grade and my parents were out of town. I was lucky enough to stay home alone for the weekend. My friend Katie lived across the street so her and her friend came over. My bestfriend at the time, Shawn was also over. The girl katie brought over this stupid Quija board. I never played one and thought it was pretty stupid, even though my sister told me lots of stories about them. (ill tell you them next they are pretty intense) Katie and her friend lit candles all over my room and we all sat around my bed. We began to ask stupid questions us being kids and all. I thought it was bullshit considering each answer spelled out HELL, so i kept messing around with it trying to scare the girls. I thought i would know the answer to next question so I said, where is katie going to when she dies...once again it spelled hell and all the candles went out. I hate light when i sleep, so after the candles went out my room was pitch black. The girls kept screaming that there was something under my bed, and I just thought the whole thing was still once again bullshit. I mean seriously, something under my bed? After 5 minutes of the girls non-stop screaming i decided to turn on the light. I had enough laughs...When i turned on the light both Katie and her friend were crying. We went into my living room and sat out there. I calmed tried to calm them down, it worked alittle. I keep seeing people walk through my house out of the corner of my eye, but I wasnt sure..Katie and her friend wanted to leave because they said they couldnt stay in my house any longer and that they kept seeing and hearing things. They went back across the street and took my friend Shawn with them. I said I would be fine home alone. After they left I started to get tired so decided to goto bed. I went back in my room and my room was covered in paper from my backpack. I figured my friends did it to scare me, considering they do that shit all the time. I turned off the lights and layed in my bed. I feel asleep right away. The next thing I know I slowly woke up. I kept hearing this annoying noise in my sleep. I sat up and couldnt see a thing. It sounded like someone was dragging their feet on the carpet. I heard a peice of paper crumbling. I jumped up and turned on the light to see if my dog was in my room. My dog was no where to be found so I turned the light back off. I completely disreguarded all the paper on my floor still. I just told myself i would get it in the morning. I layed back in my bed trying to go back to sleep. I heard the paper start to make noises again so i ignored it. the noise started to surround me. My bed was in the middle of the room at the time. It got louder and became more violent, almost as if it was being torn. It sounded like 100 people where surrounding me ripping up paper. It was the most disturbing thing I have ever heard. I was comepletly freaked so pulled the covers over my face. I layed there for what seemed to be 5 hours, until I feel asleep. When I woke up i turned on the light and my room was COVERED in paper. It looked like someone dumped a trash can full of paper all over my room. I wasnt sure what exactly to do. I didnt want to tell my parents and them think im crazy. I mean come on, is that even possible. I know it was real and still not sure what to make of it. Ever since then my parents have claimed our house is haunted. Everyone in my family has felt "hands" run down our arms. We all see things walk around in our halls. Hear people walk around on our carpet. Hear voices at night. Still none of this compares to the worst thing thats happened...

[Preacher]

I'm surprised at how many of you "open minded" people dismiss this as a joke......

It is real and very dangerous........here's why......

Yes, they do work.......The user/users open themselves up to spirits who must come THROUGH them to move the planchette.....Sometimes it's honest, sometimes not......Doesn't matter....What is important is that by using the Ouija you're voluntarily allowing yourself to be used as a portal for entities, be they good or evil......This does not lead to posession but it could if the person relinqueshes more and more control to the spirt and taking more directions from it.........

[WindsOfPlague]

I know now not to play with them. I just found out one of my friends is really into them...seem some crazy shit.....

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by Preacher
I'm surprised at how many of you \"open minded\" people dismiss this as a joke......

It is real and very dangerous........here's why......

Yes, they do work.......The user/users open themselves up to spirits who must come THROUGH them to move the planchette.....Sometimes it's honest, sometimes not......Doesn't matter....What is important is that by using the Ouija you're voluntarily allowing yourself to be used as a portal for entities, be they good or evil......This does not lead to posession but it could if the person relinqueshes more and more control to the spirt and taking more directions from it.........

So why are my cute new boots not every bit as dangerous?

[spoon]

So why are my cute new boots not every bit as dangerous?[/b]Because they aren't made according to strict pagan guidelines set out by the retail wholesaler? Just imagine how hard it would have been to get an authentic tiwanese-sweatshop made ouija board in the 1700s. We got it easy now.

[kimpossible]

Ah man, I'm calling Nine West corporate and demand that they start following those strict pagan guidelines in their sweatshops!

[Universal Mind]

WindsofPlague, why do you think evil spirits would crumble up paper and feel people up instead of crumble YOU up? It seems that they could have at least broken some dishes or sprayed some graffiti.

And if your friends were screaming for five minutes about what was under the bed, why didn't you mention looking under the bed? When you heard what sounded like hundreds of people in your room, why did you try to go to sleep? Why were you not up trying to get to the bottom of the most disturbing thing you have ever heard? Most people would have been calling the police.

Also, you said that you don't talk about it any more to anybody, even the person you're closest to. But then you told all of us about it.

I must say that your story is confusing.

[kimpossible]

I concur. If you could show an actual consistant continuous observable haunting, you'd be rather wealthy. I'd certainly pay a *lot* to study it. But if it existed, I'd have to get in line, 'cause I could only come up with dollars in the low millions...

[WindsOfPlague]

I could have done lots of things to find out what happened that night. And I wish I did. But I told you what happened and what I did. Keep in mind I was a scared 12 yearold. Im sure you would have done things differently. I did what I only knew at the time, which was to not move an inch. I was in a state of shock. The reason of me telling you and not another person I know is because I simply dont know you. I feel comfortable talking with strangers, I always have. You dont know my history, you dont even know my name. You can believe me or you cannot. Im sorry you found it confusing. It was just my intention to give you there story. nothing more. Forgive me.

[Belisarius]

I played ouiji once, and it turned out we were talking to Jeff who was killed by God because he was a jew.

[Jules2007]

First time I used a Ouija board properly, I did it with this boy I met on holiday a few years ago. We made it ourselves with paper and a glass. I was scared when the glass started to move and the boy asked the "spirit" where it was and it said "behind the girl" (me) which kinda freaked me out. I asked it some questions and wanted to know what the name of this guy who worked in the hotel we were staying at was as I had a crush on him, but it wouldnt tell me dammit! Could've just been the boy messing around.

I then used it at home with my very cynical mum and brother, we just got jibberish, none of it made sense, my mum was real surprised the glass was moving though! I then used it on my own a bit, but always got nonsense except for one time when I apparently contacted my dead grandfather and he said he was proud of me and he forgave me (for stuff I did in the past when I was a child). I don't use it anymore thought as I got sick of it not making any sense most of the time. I was never scared after the first couple of times I used it, nothing "bad" ever happened, no flickering candles or weird stuff, although come to think of it, it could've been around the same time I saw "shadow people" in my house (which I just made a post replying to that topic). Probably just a coincidence.

[27]

I've heard alot of stories like WindsOfPlague's. I don't think I'd like to try using one myself.

[MontanaGypsy]

I had an experience with the Ouija board. At the time it scared me to death even tho it not all that much happened. I belonged to a group called rainbows. It is a religious group for girls. I was about 12 or so. I went on a retreat for us around the middle to end of October. All of us girls ages 12 - 17 had our sleeping bags layed out on the upstairs floor. The adults were staying in rooms on the main floor and there was a basement. Anyway after we went to bed 4 of the girls said they had a home made Ouija board and had some of the other girls ask questions. I must have known it was bad because I kept my mouth shut and slid into my sleeping bag as far as I could get without covering my face (huge phobia). I started hearing things and felt things I cant explain to this day. I went home freaked out and quit the group. My Dad asked me why I wanted to quit and at first I just told him I didnt want to do it anymore. He must have known it was something deeper because he kept asking. Finally I told him what had happened on the retreat. He said he knew it had something to do with the retreat. He told me a story that had happened to him. I was a believer from then on. I have never personally touched a Ouija board and I tell anyone who talks about them that they are evil and you never know what your inviting into your home.

Daddy told me that he worked for a woman that had an original Ouija board. The old wooden ones. Well she had asked Dad to destroy it because she didnt want it any longer. So he took it out and put it in the garbage pile. He returned to the house and it was back in the same spot it had been for years. He took it back out and chopped it up with an axe and put it in the garbage pile. The next day it was back in the same place. He took it out and burned it. He said he watched it until it was nothing but ash. Again it was back in the house but there was some burn marks on it and the house smelled of smoke. He said he tried several more times to destroy it but it always wound up back in that house.

So I say Peril!!!!!! NEVER PLAY

[Mark75]

Daddy told me that he worked for a woman that had an original Ouija board. The old wooden ones. Well she had asked Dad to destroy it because she didnt want it any longer. So he took it out and put it in the garbage pile. He returned to the house and it was back in the same spot it had been for years. He took it back out and chopped it up with an axe and put it in the garbage pile. The next day it was back in the same place. He took it out and burned it. He said he watched it until it was nothing but ash. Again it was back in the house but there was some burn marks on it and the house smelled of smoke. He said he tried several more times to destroy it but it always wound up back in that house.

So I say Peril!!!!!! NEVER PLAY
Ha ha ha! Now I want to get a whole bunch of those things and do that to somebody.

PS

Look, guys, even the noobz are catching on.

[Universal Mind]

Did a ouija board resurrect an Awaken4e1 thread? That guy is long gone.

By the way, Awaken4e1's choice of making Dream Views the primary ground for his flame war inspiring religious crusade is the reason we have the Religion/Spirituality forum. Some interesting trivia I thought should mention.

[Matt5678]

When we were kids, my brother and his friend asked a ouija board how old I will be when I die. It, well, their hand movements, said I would be 32. I remember bringing that up to him on my 33rd birthday.

well the most rational explanation is that you triggered a chain of events which somehow broke the curse of death and now you will live forever

Tell me your secrets!!!!

[Neruo]

All the Ouija-board-fairytale believing children need to find a book that teaches them how not to be gullible as a fish.

Lets look at a few scenario's.

Lets assume (some) god exists. It would appear 'god' has a stupid kind of humour, and somehow made a link with a silly piece of wood used mostly by children, an Ouija board, and some sort of evil power (that he had to create).

Lets assume those 'evil' or 'supernatural' powers exist. Somehow, their power is limited to a stupid toy? They can predict the future, and fuck people up, but only through a piece of wood, or plastic, or whatever you want to made a flat surface with letters on it from. Gosh, makes sense. If I was an supernatural entity, with such powers, I would only use them if some stupid kids sat together in a room that are in such a stupid and suggestive state you cold make them believe it are ghosts that make the light in the fridge go on when you open the door.

Lets assume there are no gods or supernatural entities, and some idiots that sit together with a 3$ board and with the power of suggestion think they witness some random crap.

Gosh. I am so confused.

[Omnis Dei]

I can't say what power the ouija board holds cause I've never touched one in my life. Though all the research I've ever done on the afterlife has promoted the idea that no entities have power over you that you don't grant them. People would have to give into their insecurities in order to allow spiritual communication to bring about any real peril.

[LucidFlanders]

They are fake. My sister used to scare me all the time with it and some extremly crazy shit happened, but it was just our imagination. Your mind moves the piece, i know it wasn't my sister, and it wasn't me. Her fingers wern't turning that white pressed down color when pretending to move the piece. Your mind does all that, and what you think you hear/see is your imagination. It's just a piece of garbage board, i threw ours out last year as it's been collecting dust. Some were good conversations, and it's impossible for someone to move it because some of the angles it goes in it's not possible to keep your fingers that way without sliding off, you just touch it. It does not always work for everyone, i can't get the damn thing to work by myself and i told some of the so called "spirits" to f off.:lol: People are negative so it's usually always bad things that scare you that happen. You get paranoid and it's only human to think some of the stuff we do because we are scared and paranoid.

[Carôusoul]

I am reserving judgement until I play it.

Everyone i have personally asked who have used one say that weird stuff happened.

But I won't believe it until I have experienced it, which I plan to do.

[Omnis Dei]

I could see the possibility of it working. People arguing against it are using faulty logic like, "its a piece of plastic" and whatever but it's obviously not the board itself. Ceremonial priests and magicians, like from ancient Egypt, had to have extremely well developed concentration in order to conjure anything to communicate with. An ouija board works through unconscious stimulation of your arms, one can do the same thing by holding a string with a paperclip hanging off over a piece of paper with a dot on it. Of course, that strategy is mostly used for communication with your own spirit, buried under your conscious and unconscious thoughts that disrupt the proper guidance that you can give your ego. An ouija board could be made by anyone, it has nothing to do with any sort of God, or with how its made, and holds no power by itself, it is the power we give up that becomes significant.

If one wants to be safe they must only include some other ceremonies in their practice. For one, be sure you're goal isn't simply fun, because otherwise you'll only draw those seeking fun and the ethereal approach to fun can be quite different to ours. For two, in the name of whatever source of power you consider to be most protective (it can be God, or yourself, or a hundred other different things since this is symbolic and just instills confidence that you have power over whatever you summon) make it clear you do not intend to be screwed with. DO not conscious or unconsciously give up your body, either, make it clear that you intend to be communicated with, not used as a communication tool. Your spirit can understand all the answers any discarnates would feed and relay the answers they give via the ouija board.

However if discarnates then choose to haunt your house, there's nothing you can do, you technically asked them to come. Personally were I using an ouija board it'd be for the sole purpose of conjuring spirits that want help moving on. I'd asking them if they know they're dead, if they feel attached to anything on this plane (IE unfinished business as they would see it, though it doesn't really matter because all that's encessary to move on is piece of mind) and then help them. It's your own fault if you're expecting discarnates to entertain you, because they'll be the ones using you for the entertainment.

[O'nus]

Ouija is as real as facilitated communication - one of the biggest psychological scams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay3nn2Eipm8
http://www.skepticreport.com/resources/ouija.pdf

More on FC: http://www.religioustolerance.org/fc_comm2.htm

This is very well investigated and debunked in the academic world. Unfortunately, people are more inclined to believe pseudoscience..
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