Using Dramamine to LD

[wer]

On accident I stumbling apon the strange effect of the motion sickness pill, Dramamine. I've noticed that if you take a higher dose then recomended (4+ pills), it induces a state that is very similer to the dream state. You might find yourself manipulated hullcinations while your eyes are open on this stuff. The trick is to close your eyes and relax. You will be instantly thrown into a lucid dream.

I suggest that if you don't want to be popping more then four pills, to drink a *little* bit of alcohol with it, it will increase the effects a great amount.

Through research and expirimentation, I've learnt that Dramamine does a great job at inducing lucid dreams, and it only has a few side effects (dry mouth, cold feeling).

I wouldn't suggest taking this stuff and trying to stay up. All it does is make you dream, even if your eyes are open. I've tried staying up on it, and basically I felt like I was dreaming, with hullcinations that I could control. It induced delerium.

People aren't really prone to addiction to Dramamine, unless they become dependent on it to give them lucid dreams. I'd suggest taking small doses and letting it train your mind so that eventualy you can have lucid dreams with this stuff.

Dramamine does do a number on your short term memory, so be careful.

I'm interested if anyone else has used this for dream control. Its really great for inducing lucid dreams in a way that seems more "natural" then Salvia or DMT.

Note: Do not exceed a dose of 20 pills. Even though Dramamine is legal, it is still possible to overdose on. I wouldn't suggest taking this if you can't just chill out and relax while your on it. Its great if you want to lucid dream, but its not a recreational drug, and the one time I tried to enjoy the delerium and hallucinations, it was a very un-comfterbul expirience.

[plobable]

i wish i had a bottle of that.. i might od knowin me so its prolly better i dont

[DuB]

Just a little info for anyone considering taking Dramamine:

Being "high" on dramamine is nearly, if not completely, identical to being temporarily highly schizophrenic. If you've ever seen the movie "A Beautiful Mind," the main character, played by Russel Crowe, had schizophrenia. See Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/dimenhydrinate/) for more info.

I'm not implying that it shouldn't be taken, or saying that it won't help in inducing lucid dreams, I just think that it's important to know your drugs ;)

EDIT: Actually, I think I was thinking of another drug... synthetic Dopamine. My bad, disregard this post! :wink:

[WindsOfPlague]

can you find this over the counter? or is it a prescription?

[Dangeruss]

over the counter.

DuB: are you quite sure? the erowid report clearly says "dramamine" and the effects description seem identical to the drug in question. Synthetic dopamine would have different effects and would be very addictive (i think?)

[scorpifly]

Originally posted by WindsOfPlague
can you find this over the counter? or is it a prescription?

It is available OTC. Sold as " motion sickness" pills.

[WindsOfPlague]

I guess I could try it..

[Dangeruss]

be careful. All the experience reports I've been reading involve seeing family members that aren't really there.. lots of intense paranoia. Have someone nearby or write in huge letters on your arm "YOU'RE ON DRUGS" (my favorite safeguard in lieu of a trip-sitter)

[WindsOfPlague]

ooh, I dont think im going to be trying that then...Nevermind.

[iadr]

You should always do a check on the side effects of any drug before deciding whether or not you want to take it. Here is a link to a very good site that I found that explains this drug.

http://www.appco.com.au/appguide/drug.asp?...=00072429&t=cmi (http://www.appco.com.au/appguide/drug.asp?drug_id=00072429&t=cmi)

Note the following information that shows at the bottom of the site..

If you take too much DRAMAMINE, you may have the following symptoms:
* drowsiness
* dizziness
* ataxia (clumsiness or lack of coordination)
* dry mouth
* flushing of the face
* dilated pupils
* fast heart beat
* fevers
* hallucinations
* headaches
* inability to pass urine
* convulsions

A word to the wise. Be careful about taking too much of this drug.

[DuB]

Originally posted by Dangeruss
DuB: are you quite sure? the erowid report clearly says \"dramamine\" and the effects description seem identical to the drug in question. Synthetic dopamine would have different effects and would be very addictive (i think?)
No, I'm not sure. I've looked into synthetic dopamine, even talked to a guy who had done it, but I've never really done any reading on Dramamine. I briefly browsed some of the links on the Erowid page that I linked, and from what I read it appeared to be the drug that I thought it was, but I talked to my friend about it later that night and found out that I was thinking of the wrong drug :(

Anyway, although their effects appear to be similar, the thing about dopamine is that it's naturally produced in the brain, and it's thought (although not known for sure) that schizophrenia is directly caused by overactivity of dopamine in the brain. In treating schizophrenia, patients are often given a drug whose function is to block dopamine receptors in the brain, and this has been confirmed to reduce their psychotic symptoms. So basically, to be "high" on synthetic dopamine IS to be schizophrenic.

As for Dramamine, however, I really can't say much about it. Just be sure to read up on it on Erowid (or somewhere) first if you're thinking of using it.

Sorry for the confusion, folks :wink:

[WindsOfPlague]

you got to love erowid.org

[cajik]

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter involved in motion and cognitive functions in the frontal lobe of the brian. Dopamine also causes a feeling of pleasure and can be released in various amounts when eating food or from sex. Through the use of cocaine and meth more dopamine can be released which is why these drugs produce a pleasurable feeling but in long term use they damage the dopamine receptors to the point where a user becomes dependent to avoid depression.

Because of this, I wouldn't take any drug involved in altering dopamine levels in the body even if they are insignificant when compared to the doses of cocaine and meth.

[Dangeruss]

bingo.

[JEBOman]

Dramamine works really good when you are about to throwup. It works better than most perscriptions(which can have some nasty side affects including addiction)

[Callista]

I had an episode of vertigo a while ago, which lasted for three weeks. I took Dramamine, then upped the dose, then got prescribed Scopalamine by my doctor. That worked but made me tired. Thankfully the vertigo passed on its own after a while--it was probably something going on with my inner ear.

I did not notice a difference in quality or number of lucid dreams... One person doesn't make a study, of course; but that's my experience.

[SpeedGarage]

I took 14 pills of motion sickness pills, each containing 50mg of Dramamine at about 1 AM Wednesday morning . This is a total of 700mg of pure Dramamine. The first 5-45 minutes, I felt really really good. It was a strong stoned feeling. (Note: During my entire time on this and a still a little now, I had terrible coordination and walked as if I was drunk out of my mind.) Anyway. About 45 minutes in or so, I turned out the lights. All I can really remember from this point til about 6AM is trippin' in the darkness, while I was completely awake. All the little lights that I could see in the darkness were fluttered and blurred.

This went on until about 6 that morning. I fell asleep at this point. I remember nothing from when I was asleep.

I woke up at around 12PM the same day. I was feeling an intense hangover. I felt like complete shit and could hardly walk.

Eventually, I managed to get into the shower and took a nice long hot one, even though it was incredibly difficult to stand that long. After this I went home and chilled, feeling incredibly terrible. It was also incredibly difficult for me to remember anything. For example, it took me about 2 hours to remember all of this.

I went to sleep that day(yesterday) at around 4PM, and did not wake up until 11AM today.

Nearly 2 days later ( as I'm writing this) I still feel abit of a hangover. I almost feel okay. Very regretful.

I assure you, don't do it. This is coming from a very experience drug user. Somebody who has been into hallucinogenics for awhile. I've taken LSD more times then I can count, and have tripped on shrooms more then ten times at least. I've done PCP, CCC's, couch syrup, and EX.

In a nutshell, if you absolutely HAVE to do it, only take ten at the very most. I'd suggest about 8, if absolutely necessary.

Later.

[Snowy Egypt]

In a nutshell, if you absolutely WANT to do it, only take ten at the very most. I'd suggest about 8, if absolutely necessary.

Fixed.

[Arutad]

Why was it suggested as a dream control pill? Is there such a big chance that you WILD from this medication, or is there just as small a chance (and probably autosuggestion-induced) as from other drugs?

[Shift]

No idea. It should be moved to Lucid Aids in Attaining Lucidity and the title changed to something like "Using Dramamine to LD", since it isn't about dream control but just hallucinating intensely, and possibly laying down and using that to LD. I'm guessing it would be a WILD that you'd use, since you'll just be watching these hallucinations, until you fall asleep, at which point they'd merge into a dream.

[Arutad]

I'm guessing it would be a WILD that you'd use, since you'll just be watching these hallucinations, until you fall asleep, at which point they'd merge into a dream.
But what's going to prevent you from losing consciousness just as usual when you drift off to sleep? Hallucinations or not... I can't see how it's supposed to work, loss of consciousness is a kind of instinct or lifelong habit. Drugs and medicines always sound a bit dubious as a lucid aid.

[Shift]

Of course they don't, I really don't advocate anything that makes you hallucinate like this just to use it to become lucid (or anything on DV that tells people to just take drugs, god knows there's someone out there who is just going to take a whole bunch without reading up first). My guess is just that you lay down, and you're so caught up in the hallucinations that when it becomes an actual dream, you're already interacting with what you're hallucinations. Like a submersion WILD.

We all know that being able to keep conscious while falling asleep is just a matter of keeping the mind busy. I think the hallucinations serve that purpose, providing you with something to watch/interact with until that point happens and the dream fully materializes... though overdosing on dramamine wouldn't be my choice way to do it.

[Arutad]

We all know that being able to keep conscious while falling asleep is just a matter of keeping the mind busy. I think the hallucinations serve that purpose, providing you with something to watch/interact with until that point happens and the dream fully materializes... though overdosing on dramamine wouldn't be my choice way to do it.
That makes sense...

And maybe the idea is not only that, but that a drug puts you in a state of mind extremely close to sleep, and you can slip in the proper state of sleep easily, without loss of consciousness. I still wouldn't harm myself just for the sake of a single WILD...

[no-Name]

moved to Lucid Aids, and the title changed to "Using Dramamine to LD"..

[Liz]

WTF? Dramamine is an antihistamine and potentially life threatening when you overdose! Small people can overdose on significantly less pills than you mention. You can easily DIE if you combine these with alcohol and then vomit/aspirate from the sedation.

Imagine having an nasogastric tube SHOVED down your nose to your stomach, having another tube SHOVED down your trachea where a machine can then breathe for you, having pulmonary congestion-DROWNING but not in a lake, having seizures, poisoning your heart (cardiac toxicity), your friends/family bawling outside your hospital curtain and (if in America) a humongous hospital bill that will take decades to pay off, trashing your credit history and making it impossible to buy frigin anything on credit for decades.

Oh wait I forgot something... consider having a tube (attached to a piss bag, a foley cathetor) SHOVED up through your dick then SHOVED up through your prostate then SHOVED up to your bladder, so you won't piss all over yourself while you are unconscious on the ventilator..........and don't forget the adult diapers you will have to wear when you are unconscious and shitting on yourself, in front of your friends who are visiting you during ICU visiting hours....

http://kscritcare.org/downloads/orders/KU_MICU_Admission.pdf
Notice #13 You will get the tube shoved up your dick.

No amount of lucid dreaming is worth this...

[Odd_Nonposter]

Ugh, no. I hate all forms of diphenhydramine, whether it's a salt with something else or not. Whenever I've tried to use it as a sleep aid, I always feel crappy in the morning, and I would never remember a single dream because of the anticholinergic effect. (By the way, galantamine, choline, and EGCG all work to INCREASE acetylcholine levels. Diphenhydramine does the exact opposite.)

Anymore, I only keep it around in case somebody has a severe allergic reaction, or, for the creams, an itch.

[InvisibleMan]

I used to be a really big dramhead back in 10th grade. I was taking 8-12 pills in school.
You feel really heavy and REALLY sleepy. If you take as much as I did, you hallucinate in a different way then most hallucinogens. You see people you know and talk to them. Sometimes you just hear voices. You can even start seeing transparent spiders everywhere. You won' t be able to read either.
I would be in class, playing with my MP3 but then all of a sudden, my eyes open and I relized it was a dream. Tge weird thing was I had my hand out in the way I normally hold my MP3. Many events like this occur, so yeah, I'd say it can help become lucid. When I was on it, I never knew I was awake or not. I would be doing somthing, then bam, my eyes open and it was a dream. But your dream takes place where you are.
I have not done dramamine or gravol, a similar pill, in a while, ever since I got csught with 36 of them at school and ran from the police cause I was tripping.

[Parakonstantius]

be careful. All the experience reports I've been reading involve seeing family members that aren't really there.. lots of intense paranoia. Have someone nearby or write in huge letters on your arm "YOU'RE ON DRUGS" (my favorite safeguard in lieu of a trip-sitter)

Great, then just run outside in your euphoria and/or fear