Free Lucid Dream Induction Mp3/cd - Download

[phoenelai]

I've posted a free Lucid induction cd that I've created here at Dream Views. I have allot of success from folks who tried at LD4ALL.COM. I would like to make one important note that I think people missed. They had a tendencies to play this at the beginning of the night which is a mistake in my experiences. I've had little success when playing this at the beginning of the night. The ideal is to wake up around 3AM, play the CD so it Loops or repeats until 6AM or whenever it's time to wake up. You have to play it a good volume or wear headphones. Eventually the voice on the CD tells you that your dreaming while your in a dream. I've had wonderful success with the CD and I hope other people will post their experiences with it.

It contains some excellent lucid dreaming intentions from the Frank D. Young Ph.D, Relax into Lucid Dreaming, A program for designing your dreams. There is also some excellent wave washes and sutle drones from the double cassette: "Space Distortion" by Tamas Laboratorum - which contains Hemispheric Synchronization Signals.

Running time: 24:05

Statements are:
" I am aware I'm in a dream! " "
"I am aware that I'm dreaming! "
" You will remember to check your reality, and indentify that you are in a dream state! "

Cheers!+++
phoen :D

EDIT new link: http://www.phoensnd.com/LucidRemix.mp3

[WindsOfPlague]

Awsome. Thank you very much. I will give it a try tonight.

[phoenelai]

No problem, please post your results here on this page so other users can compare notes. Again, I've had more lucids when I played it around 3-6AM and let the disc repeat. You have to find a comfortable volume where you can hear it but not too loud where you wake up from the sounds. That takes some fine tuning!

Enjoy!
:cactus:

[WindsOfPlague]

is there a certain time period i should sleep for then wake up and play it?

[phoenelai]

Yes, at least this has worked for me anyways. The biggest mistake that some people at the LD4ALL site was making was they were playing it at the begining of the night. The first 2 REM periods are way too deep of sleep usually to hear the CD. I would wake up around 3 get some water or be active for about 10 minutes. I would play the CD from 3 - 6 am (or whenever I was to wake up). Those REM periods, you should be in a lighter sleep and the CD eventually gets in your dreams if you have it at a good volume!

:wink:
phoen+++

[WindsOfPlague]

Im still confused. you are saying between 3-6am. What time would you have to goto bed or how many hours should you sleep before playing the cd.

[phoenelai]

Correct. 3 to 6 AM or when ever you get up. On a usual night I would go to bed around 10 to 10:30 (work night) I would set my alarm to wake me up around 3AM. I would do some minimal task like drinking water or going to the restroom. Then I would go back to bed and play the CD until I woke up (around 6:00AM).

Does that help?

[WindsOfPlague]

Yes it does. I wasnt sure what time you went to bed at. I goto bed around 12am

[phoenelai]

The better rested, the more awake you'll be in the late hours.

Cheers! :mrgreen:

[WindsOfPlague]

are you saying i dont get enough sleep?

[phoenelai]

What time do you wake up? I know from reading on different boards they recommend that your well rested. If you're really tired you just coast through dream consciousness, and you will not be very alert to dream signs. I've noticed in my experience the more I sleep, the better chance I'll have in the later hours of the morning to have a Lucid. I'm very alert in sleep around 5-7 AM but I'm still sleeping.

Another example: Lately, due to a new schedule, my wife gets up at 4:30 for work in the morning. I used to get up at 6AM. I had more lucids when I was getting up at 6AM. Why? Because my body was used to hitting the lighter REM periods after 4-6AM.

phoen+++

[WindsOfPlague]

I wake up around 10:30am each day. any ideas?

[phoenelai]

Try playing the CD around 7:00 AM and let it repeat until you wake up!

Good Luck!
:D

[Nugget75]

Could you post a link to the thread on ld4all.com, with others sharing results. Thanks a lot, once i find a stupid blank CD I'll give it a try.

[phoenelai]

It's a very long thread, but once you get through some share their experience with results!

http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11264

Please let me know when you get some results. Even if not lucid, describe vivid dreams!

:D

[WindsOfPlague]

By looking at those results....I can not wait to goto bed. Let you know in the morning. Thanks!

[phoenelai]

Yes. Anyone who test the CD please post your findings. It will help others in testing it as well!

Thanks!
:peek:

[Katie <3]

Thanks, i will give that Cd a try tonight! i cant wait 8) I will let you know how i got on :mrgreen:

[WindsOfPlague]

No lucid dreams. But holy shit. Gave me the most vivid dreams I have had. I think it put it on to soft, I couldnt hear it in my dreams. But really, wow. That gave me extremely good dream recall also...I'll let you know how it goes the next few days.

[phoenelai]

Thats great, I heard at first it does have vivid dream effects. Keep playing week after week eventually if its loud enough it does creep into the dreams. It works for me on most nights!

Cheers!
:peek:

[WindsOfPlague]

Thanks again. I'll tweek with the sound a bit tonight so hopefully I can hear it. I'll post tomorrow and see if anything new has changed. :D

Also, I think i'll put about 45 minutes of blank mp3 before the track and then repeat the second half of the cd a few times.. The voices keept me from sleeping a little. I'll see if this has any other effect.

[phoenelai]

I guess at 3AM I dont care and I'm out - heheheh!

:dreaming:

[Spoof]

Thanks a lot. I am going to try that tonight. Hope it works. 8)

[phoenelai]

I thought of something last night, this morning I copied the track to my mp3 player, those little earbud headphones are allot more comfortable. Just some ideas for everyone!

Cheers!
:peek:

[Sengo]

Hello,

I'll give this a try tonight and report back tomorrow. Does anybody know of a good way to listen to an mp3 player/ipod at night and not accidently smash it? I move around alot when I'm sleeping and I'm afraid I'll break my ipod.

Thanks,

Nick

[h0ju]

I tried this last night and didnt have the volume set right, I had started it when I went to sleep and left it on loop so I only had to pick up the headphones and go back to sleep at 3am. I didnt feel like getting up to fix the volume at the time so Ill correct that tonight.

Oh and Sengo try putting it in your pillow case under your pillow or inbetween them if you have 2 in one case like me

[h0ju]

This is the same file as Hemi-Sync's induction track, voice and all......... :?

[phoenelai]

I always have my volume louder than quiet. If it's too low, I just sleep right through it. I put my mp3 player next to or under the pillow.

I was pretty drunk last night so when I started the track around 3:00. I was pretty hungover but I did get a Pre-Lucid from the track. I was dreaming that I was working in a gas station but more like those quiki mart etc. I was helping customers at the counter but I couldnt hear them because I heard the induction track. In my dream I was wearing my mp3 player with earbuds. So my mind tried to explain where the music was coming from. I told the customer "let me take these out I can't hear you" I took out the earbuds but still heard the track. I pushed the power button on the mp3 player and I still heard the track. That should have been the "reality" check right there. I woke up shortly after.

The hemi-sync part comes from Space Distortion (Tamas Lab). Voices are Samples from a Lucid induction cassette (Frank D. Young Ph.D, Relax into Lucid Dreaming). The last couple of tracks are Plastikman (Consumed albm). I mixed it with a tape player, laptop and mixer.

If you enjoy Space Distortion all on it's own it can be purchased from Tamas Labs.
http://www.relax-uk.com/item--Space-Distor...-Lab--spas.html (http://www.relax-uk.com/item--Space-Distortion-I-Tamas-Lab--spas.html)

: :wink:

[Spoof]

I couldn't fall asleep with the voices. I did remember three dreams, though. They were pretty cool. One was a huge mini golf course. I guess tonight I will adjust the volume so I can fall asleep better. 8) :poke: Poke! (sorry I had to put it)

[phoenelai]

That's good to know. People usually at first report Vivid Dreams. I think at some level the CD is keeping me in a light sleep so I'm more aware to see dream signs. When you sleep deep sometimes getting lucid seems like a tough challenge. Anything keeping you on the edge has to help; although you dont want it to keep you awake either.

eyes wide open :shock:

[Sengo]

Hey,

I tried it last night, but couldn't fall asleep with the voices. I'm going to record about 10-20 minutes of silence and try it again tonight. I did record 3 quite vivid dreams, but that may have been because it was a saturday night and I usually get more dreams over the weekend.

Nick

[phoenelai]

Yes, some people have a hard time with it but when I play it at 2 or 3 in the morning I fall back asleep so I guess I am used to it - hehehe.

That's cool about the vivid dreams, it seems to have that affect on people right away!

:P

[Wolffe]

yeah, I had the same problem, with the voices, but I think this was also because I wasnt tired enough, as I'd just attempted WILD, and also was hungry, couldnt breath 'cause of congestion etc. I'll try again tonight!

[brian]

A while back I tried returning to this lovely website and realized that my account had been suspended or something, I read it from time to time and now today it says that I'm logged in again. HI HOWETZER!!! :D

Hey, this will be great! I love trying to lucid dream, but I hate how on and off I am at attempting it. I listened to snips of this clip today and loved the techno-sounding part of it, haha.

[kichu]

Wow, this is awesome. I can't burn anything from my computer right now, so I'm just listening to it from the computer as I read threads here. Maybe something will sink in before I go to bed. It's great to hear those words over and over again.

Thanks :wink:

[brian]

I hate my alarm clock, either it doesn't wake me up at ALL, or it just plain doesn't work. Although, if it doesn't wake me up, then it doesn't do it's job...which would be not working...

MY ALARM CLOCK DOESN'T WORK! :mad:

[Troverman]

sweet I got that before I even found this site.

[kichu]

Originally posted by phoenelai
It's a very long thread, but once you get through some share their experience with results!

http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11264

Please let me know when you get some results. Even if not lucid, describe vivid dreams!

:D

I listened to this before I went to sleep last night (can't burn anything yet), and I definitely had more vivid dreams than I've had in a while. I also recalled a lot more than I have in a while, it was great. Read my last journal entry if you'd like:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....1282&highlight= (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21282&highlight=)

I don't know if it was the download or not, but there was absolutely a more clear quality to my dreams last night, they've been so.......blurry or something lately. I've got it playing again tonight, so we'll see how it goes. I'm going to lay down and just really concentrate on the words.

PS - I love when it gets to just past the middle of this thing, something about the music reminds me of Alice in Wonderland.

[Placebo]

I'll have a go at it tonight. From the sounds of things, you had some good success on LD4all, so it's worth a shot :)
Now if I could just find the earphones.... the big headphones will annoy me.

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by kichu


I listened to this before I went to sleep last night (can't burn anything yet), and I definitely had more vivid dreams than I've had in a while. *I also recalled a lot more than I have in a while, it was great. *Read my last journal entry if you'd like:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....1282&highlight= (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21282&highlight=)

I don't know if it was the download or not, but there was absolutely a more clear quality to my dreams last night, they've been so.......blurry or something lately. *I've got it playing again tonight, so we'll see how it goes. *I'm going to lay down and just really concentrate on the words.

PS - I love when it gets to just past the middle of this thing, something about the music reminds me of Alice in Wonderland.

Just a note, I try to tell everyone to play this later in the night instead of the beginning. The first couple of REM periods are deep sleep. I've had better chances with it after 3 AM--when your in lighter sleep it's easier for the voice to creep in your dreams.

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Placebo
I'll have a go at it tonight. From the sounds of things, you had some good success on LD4all, so it's worth a shot :)
Now if I could just find the earphones.... the big headphones will annoy me.

Yeah, I wore earbuds last night and it worked great. Very comfy!

:peek:

[Placebo]

[quote]

Just a note, I try to tell everyone to play this later in the night instead of the beginning. The first couple of REM periods are deep sleep. I've had better chances with it after 3 AM--when your in lighter sleep it's easier for the voice to creep in your dreams.
Yep, that's because the first 5 or 6 hours of your night is spent in deep sleep.
Thereafter you have a lot more dreams and REM sleep.

[Wolffe]

Just a thought about the more vivid aspect. It may be that the sound keeps you more 'awake' while asleep, resulting in a better memory of the dreams or whatever :P

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Wolffe
Just a thought about the more vivid aspect. It may be that the sound keeps you more 'awake' while asleep, resulting in a better memory of the dreams or whatever :P

Agreed, it's like your brain somehow unconciously stays tuned to the sounds. So when your brain is listening/focusing to something, the visuals from the dreams are better recorded and seem very clear.

;)

Lucidity Institute\'s lab results on the 3 techniques (spinning, rubbing, flow)

http://www.lucidity.com/NL7.34.RU.SpinFlowRub.html

[brian]

thank you so much for this sound file! It worked the first time I tried it! :D :D

I would also like to say that I hadn't even attempted or thought about lucid dreaming in a few months. I didn't even play the tape a whole time at all, even though it should have been 3 hours. I just turned it off and then went to bed like normal after about 22 minutes of deep listening. I lost the earbud covers on my iPod's headphones, so it hurt like hell after a while.

Anyway, worked great, had a fun lucid dream.

It was very strange, though, because my alarm clock was on the radio the entire time, I didn't even know it. It actually seemed to fade into the sound file that I was listening to, and I thought it was part of it. It really got me thinking because the radio show was all about myths such as big foot, and I just listened to it subconsiously. Needless to say, I was freaked out when I turned off the iPod and still heard the radio, but now I solved my alarm clock problem...IT'S NOT ANNOYING ENOUGH :P

I think it's interesting that even though I had the radio playing at the same time that I listened to the track, it still worked excellent.

Thank you!

[phoenelai]

Congrats, I'm glad it worked. The Track has already shown some great success. It works for me quite a bit!!!

:D

[kichu]

[quote]

Just a note, I try to tell everyone to play this later in the night instead of the beginning. The first couple of REM periods are deep sleep. I've had better chances with it after 3 AM--when your in lighter sleep it's easier for the voice to creep in your dreams.

I would if I could burn it onto a cd, but our computers a little messed right now and I don't want to be getting up to turn the computer on and waking my boyfriend up. I'll have to wait until I can get it on cd and then just have it ready to go in my discman when the alarm goes off. I figure I can at least get a little out of it for now by listening to it before I go to bed.

[Placebo]

Sounds like 2 happy customers since the last time I checked .. good stuff ;)
I couldn't find those earphones, so until I do...

[HoppyPotty]

Does anyone know a blank song I can put on my CD before the voices? I am having trouble falling asleep. :!: :?:

[phoenelai]

I'm not sure if you can find (bear/share etc) the programs but tools such as Sound Forge and or Cool Edit you can record nothing and create and empty track/mp3. You could copy this song several times over in your playlist/CD Burn until you think you're ready to hear the CD.

Cheers!
:D

Just a note: I'm about to rework the end of the Lucid Induction track and just use the Waves, Drones & Tones (Space Distortion) twice. The Plastikman tracks are cool but they can be very jarring and can tend to wake me up. Keep your eyes posted...I'll be fixing it probably tonight and reposting in this thread! If the first version works for you I'll keep the original posted on our server.

[Mr. Deadhead]

I'm downloading as we speak (type, whatever) Pretty big file for us poor dial-up users :(
This reminds me of another file I would sometimes use as an aid for LD's. It was an interview with Steven LaBerge, it was about an hour long, I believe it was posted on that LD4All site somewhere... it was a good aid because of the shear amount of times that the word "Lucid" was mentioned.

Anyway, I'll give this a go and post results. Cheers.

[Raj]

Thanx for the feedback phoenelai . I've got a couple of CD's to aid in lucidity, one of which involves binaural beats, and the other is played on an MP3 device and will loop with suggestions similiar to those you've mentioned. I've typically listened to the CD's before falling asleep, but now I'll try waking at 3:am and then listening. Interestingly enough, I used to be able to have at least a couple of lucid dreams a week, but over the years the occurence of l/d's has lessened. I think it may be due to some serious life upheavals, so I'm also programming my mind for more positive thoughts. (See the movie "What The Bleep Do We Know?" for more info on that subject.) Sure would like to be able to attain lucidity again; the quality of my lucid dreams was outstanding, and the positive energy and happy feelings extended well into my day, even sometimes throughout the whole week! Any feedback is welcome, of course.

Be well! Raj

[phoenelai]

Well I was able to complete the edit but I'm having problems FTP from my DSL account. I'm not sure why. I'll bring the file to work and post from there. I think the edit works much better less jarring in the end.

Thanks! :-P

[cool_D_23]

cool, maybe I should try this out sometime, I have been distracted from even trying to lucid dream ever since school started, but with thanksgiving break coming up, I think I'll give it a try.

[Mr. Deadhead]

I've given this a go on two nights, and during one arvo nap. During the two nights I played this (at a reasonable volume) I did not experience a LD, but did find I remembered several dreams, rather then the usual one. During the nap however, no lucidity but I did remember a dream quite well, I thought this an improvement considering whenever I have naps I never remember any dreams.

Gonna give it a few more goes and see if an LD comes from it, cheers.

[phoenelai]

Okay I've have posted the (remix) or edited version. I took out the tracks from Consumed and the first part repeats twice running 31:52. I thought the end was a bit too distracting.

http://www.interstellarwarfare.com/pizo/LucidRemix.mp3

:peek:

[WindsOfPlague]

awsome, thank you. ill let you know how it goes tonight. I have been listening to that cd everynight since I got it. I really like it.

[WindsOfPlague]

I just listened to it. I already like it alot more. Im a big fan of the waterfall? if thats what it is.

[phoenelai]

They are ocean waves, that comes from the Space Distortion CD!
Glad you like it, I like this new one much better!

phoen :peek:

[WindsOfPlague]

my ipod died after i fell asleep. ill listen tonight and let you know. VERY relaxing though, put me to sleep like a baby.

[Alucinor Architecton]

kool stuff. i just donwloaded the first one, and now im downloading the second one. so youj say that the second one is better? alright i'll try both tho just to compare them myself. ill report the results to boost the popularity and such.

[Mistoffelees]

Couldnt manage to fall asleep with it, or back to sleep with it. I will program my computer so that it starts is while i am sleeping.. might work better for me this way.
I'll post the results

[Alucinor Architecton]

ok so i woke up last night at 4 (technically this moring, but whatever) and i played the remix on some headphones. i unfortuantely didnt get any Lds, but i oculdn't really expect to get any the very first time i've tried in likle moths. so any what did hapen was, i rememberd like 3 of my dreams. as of late i have only been able to remeber one of maybe two. but anyways this is an improvement and is somehow helping me. so ill try agian tonight and post tomorrow the results. thanks for the file :D

[phoenelai]

That's funny, it seems to be the popular vote that it really makes your dreams vivid or you remember more of them. I think because subconciously it's keeping your mind a awake or more alert. I think this is a great start even if it only helps with dream re-call. I've had lots of LD's with the track/mp3 but I've also listened to it for months and months night after night.

8)

[gibbsman]

I tried it out, but I couldn't sleep with it. Everytime I was just about to doze off the voice would wake me up again. I gave it a shot for about a week, and then I gave up. I was loosing too much sleep and it was making it impossible to even get an LD due to the lack of sleep.

I'm glad to hear it was working for others to get LD/vivid/dream recall!

[phoenelai]

Well thanks for trying and posting results. Mp3 defintely cannot work for everyone. It does keep you on the edge of sleep which is tough. I only use it a couple of times of week due to I don't get rest when I use it but I do get lucid so its a sacrafice.

[JackSparrow]

I'll give it a try tonight, post my results tomorrow.

[Ghazal]

I'm going to put this on my old Mp3 player tonight and listen to it. I'll post anything out of the ordinary tomorrow morning.

[phoenelai]

I got a wierd OBE/Lucid while listening to the mp3 last night. You can read about it at this thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....p=233713#233713 (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=233713#233713)

:-P

[Hobus]

Hey there

I have the remixed version of the MP3. I slept for about 5 hours last night, then woke up and pittled around the internet for about 45 minutes reading about dream stuff. I set my computer to loop the MP3 and then went to sleep again. At first I had the volume so I could hear the man's voice through the speakers. This was too loud, as I couldn't fall asleep. I got up and turned it even lower, so I could barely understand what the hell he was saying. I STILL woke up when he started speaking, even at a super low volume.

I am a really light sleeper, and usually wake at the slightest sound/or change of sounds in my room or around the house in general. I think this has to do with my self defense mind. Usually I count this as a good thing, but trying to induce a lucid dream with this MP3 just isn't working for me. I'm afraid to try again tonight becuase I have to wake up early tomorrow for a long day of work. Any suggestions?

[phoenelai]

Hmmm, I'm pretty much a light sleep myself but I have sort of adapted to the mp3. If the voices really bother you that much I'm afraid I dont see how it could work for you. The only chance would be to (if you have one) use alarm clock with CD player that would start playing it around 2-3AM. Even if it woke you for say 20 minutes but you were tired enough to fall back asleep; I think that could work. I've been listening to this mp3 since I created it so I think at this point I'm really used to the voice. But I do know that when I play this, I dont plan to have a good nights sleep; it keeps you on the edge of being awake and sleep which therefore assist you in getting lucid. I usually don't mess with this during the week unless I'm caught up on sleep. Weekends are good for testing; trying taking a late afternoon nap with an mp3 player and earbuds. If you like the hemi-sync sounds (tones and waves,drones) I have them without the voices. Note: when I have lucids with the mp3; its the voice that comes though usually not the waves or tones. Odd huh?

:mrgreen:

[realcrucial]

phoenelai awesome mp3

I tried it lastnight, I went to sleep, woke up at four, put the headpones on, and I had a lucid dream. I heard the voice in my dream crystal clear, but I only heard it once??? anyway I became lucid. This was so kool thanks a ton, I have trouble becoming luicd, but this worked and it's easy to do AA++++. You can read my dream in my dream journal it's the DECEMBER 10, 2005 entry. :goodjob:

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by realcrucial
phoenelai awesome mp3

I tried it lastnight, I went to sleep, woke up at four, put the headpones on, and I had a lucid dream. I heard the voice in my dream crystal clear, but I only heard it once??? anyway I became lucid. This was so kool thanks a ton, I have trouble becoming luicd, but this worked and it's easy to do AA++++. You can read my dream in my dream journal it's the DECEMBER 10, 2005 entry. :goodjob:

Congratz on the lucid with the mp3. I'm glad it worked for you. I wanted to share it because I've had such great success with it, I hope others can benefit as well. Thanks for posting your results. I hope it brings many more great lucids!

:banana:

[Alucinor Architecton]

Woo! I got a LD too! Now thats 3! I was listening before I fell asleep the first time, at about 11. Then at four I took them OFF. Then I somehow managed to proceed into an LD. SO it did indeed help. Thanks Phoenelai!!!

[HoppyPotty]

I tried this once before, tonight I am going to try it with a mix of HILD

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5270


Post my feedback in the morning. :wink:


Edit: POST # 50!!! :banana:

[realcrucial]

Hey I used this method again last night, I didn't hear a voice in my dream, but I did become lucid so it did work. I'm going to try to set my computer so that it will play the mp3 at four o'clock that way I wouldn't have to wake up in the middle of the night when I have school the next day. Like tomorrow.

Hey this makes two lucid dreams in a row when i've been trying for about two months and only have had a couple LD's.

Thanks again for the mp3's :mrgreen:

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by realcrucial
Hey I used this method again last night, I didn't hear a voice in my dream, but I did become lucid so it did work. I'm going to try to set my computer so that it will play the mp3 at four o'clock that way I wouldn't have to wake up in the middle of the night when I have school the next day. Like tomorrow.

Hey this makes two lucid dreams in a row when i've been trying for about two months and only have had a couple LD's.

Thanks again for the mp3's :mrgreen:

Your Welcome!!
That's excellent results. Keep those Lucids coming and let me know! :lol:

[realcrucial]

Hey i tried using the alarm clock feature that comes with xp plus, i have the mp3 setting right, but for some reason it says it's playing the luicd.mp3 but it still plays the stupid alarm sound. Does anyone know a program that i can use to make the mp3 play at like 4 in the morning. Please post.

[phoenelai]

I dont know much about the alarm clock with XP but maybe you can fool it. Convert the Lucid mp3 to WAV and replace the source wav the alarm clock is using.

:D

[HoppyPotty]

HOLY MOLEY!!!!! :shock: Tried the CD for the first time last night.

Triggered an LD of course. I didn't have it playing during the LD, but I had it playing before(couldn't fall asleep) so i turned it off and went to sleep.

I dunno how I became lucid, I was just more concious I guess, and realised I was dreaming! :shock:

Very long LD too. It was about 5-10 minutes I guess. I can't quite remember. I also remembered about 4 dreams that nigtht! Its all mixed up. still VERY GOOOD CD!!!


Thanks! :D

[phoenelai]

Very Cool, way to go on the Lucid!!!!

:-P

[Alucinor Architecton]

Hey Potty thats exactly what happened with me! I didn't have it playing during the LD because I couldn't fall asleep with it on. But then later that night I got Lucid! It even seemed longer just as you stated. Check it out, its my latest entry in my DJ. :goodjob2:

[Georg Prime]

This is becoming an odd pattern...the exact same thing happened to me a few nights ago, and it gave me qutie possibly the best lucid dream I've had yet...

[sblliwi]

omg what an amazing LD this cd gave me... my dream was a bit sexual though :oops:

It involved my brother pooing on me.. and thats as far as I'm going with that one heh.

Anyway... awesome CD :!:

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by sblliwi
omg what an amazing LD this cd gave me... my dream was a bit sexual though :oops:

It involved my brother pooing on me.. and thats as far as I'm going with that one heh.

Anyway... awesome CD :!:

YIKES! But congratz on the lucids everyone! I'm glad the mp3 seems to be working on some of you!

phoen++++ :mrgreen:

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Alucinor Architecton
Woo! I got a LD too! Now thats 3! I was listening before I fell asleep the first time, at about 11. Then at four I took them OFF. Then I somehow managed to proceed into an LD. SO it did indeed help. Thanks Phoenelai!!!

Were you listening to the orig version or the remixed?

Thanks!
phoen++

:dreaming:

[HoppyPotty]

BOOH YA!

Tried the CD again. Had 2 lucids last night. THATS 3 LUCIDS IN 2 NIGHTS!!! w00t!


These things are the shit!! It was funny, I was talking to a dream character and all of a sudden I said "wat r u doin"? He said " You will remember to check your reality and realise you are in a dream state" :lol:

P.S. They are long lucids too! TY! :D

[Philman123]

I tried this and but i couldnt fall back to sleep. It sounds really good thought and from the previous results im anxious to try. Have a quick question though. Will the CD still work if I sleep through the whole night and have it turn on by itself or have someone turn it on after 6 hours of sleep?

[phoenelai]

Yes, I've always had better luck when I played after about 5 hours of sleep. The last couple of REM periods you should have a good chance of hearing the track in the dream or having some effect on your dream/recall/vividness. First of the night is usually deep sleep you probably wont hear it/get a trigger.

:D

[Munk]

I attempted using this last night but my head phones fell off, then I woke up about 5 hours later put them back on, and they fell off again. They are even the kind that wraps around each ear :cry:

[realcrucial]

I found a program that I can set it to open the Lucid Dream MP3 at five in the morning. The kool thing about this program is that it doesn't play the MP3 in it's own player just once(which doesn't really do anything", but it opens up itunes plays the mp3, so I just set itunes to repeat then just fall asleep and there you go. Everything is perfect.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://www.download-by.net/desktop/clocks-...larm-clock.html (http://www.download-by.net/desktop/clocks-and-alarms/68253,perfect-alarm-clock.html)


Check it out homies

[Munk]

Should help people out, I use a program called gigalarm, works great as well :D

[phoenelai]

The program works cool, I tested it. Unfortunately I dont have a computer in my bedroom! :?

[gibbsman]

I tried out that MP3, but it just didn't work for me. it just freaked me out and woke me up when it got to the strange music towards the end of the track.

I've recently been trying the hemi-sync lucid dreaming tracks. It slightly induced one last night, but it was the first or second REM state of the night and so it wasn't very clear. I'm going to keep at it and see how it goes though.

[HoppyPotty]

I put some soft classical music before it so I could fall asleep before the scary part came up.

[phoenelai]

Scary part? You mean those heavy drones towards the end? I suppose that could be creepy but since I absolutely love drone ambience, I think I'm used to it. I guess it's all on the individuals interpretation. Although, some of the music I release I do consider spooky, very dark drones with a touch of post-industrial!!!

http://phoenelai.blogspot.com/


cheers! :D

[three and four]

Excellent track! Many thanks indeed. I tried it last night for the first time (the original, not the remix). Didn’t get lucid, or have particularly spectacular dreams BUT – the result was interesting: the track got integrated in both dreams I had while wearing my MP3 headphones.

First dream was a false awakening: I dreamt it was morning and I was waking up STILL listening to the recording. During the second dream I was just sitting, listening to the voice on the track in a very serious and concentrated way! I did have a lot of trouble falling asleep while the track was playing though, which for me was the only drawback here (even though the volume was just right in the dream). I’ll try again, this time with the remix!

Cheers!

:santa:

[phoenelai]

Hehehe - I had a similar experience to that one. How funny! :lol:

I was pretty drunk last night so when I started the track around 3:00. I was pretty hungover but I did get a Pre-Lucid from the track. I was dreaming that I was working in a gas station but more like those quiki mart etc. I was helping customers at the counter but I couldnt hear them because I heard the induction track. In my dream I was wearing my mp3 player with earbuds. So my mind tried to explain where the music was coming from. I told the customer "let me take these out I can't hear you" I took out the earbuds but still heard the track. I pushed the power button on the mp3 player and I still heard the track. That should have been the "reality" check right there. I woke up shortly after.

[seph89]

sounds like an efficient mp3! any way i can put in on my iPod?

Thanks

[HoppyPotty]

The CD hasnt been working for me lately :(

Maybe its cuz im going to bed too l8 or im missing my REM cycles.... OH well Ijust try again tonight.

[hdron]

I have tried the remix version of the mp3 file two times now, first time i couldn't fall asleep while it was playing but this past night i fell asleep and got lucid =) very, very short lucid dream though but still cool. Actually i have only had one lucid dream before this, i'm new to this. I'm definitely gonna try become lucid with the help of this mp3 file more...

[sss3d]

Hey guys, you need to sleep at least at 10 and wake up at 6.

But the waking part can be optional ;)

The moons cycles correlate with the time.

And between 10 and 6, the body needs to be rested in order to produce hormones, "feel better" energy, etc.

Maybe you've noticed, if you've slept at 9 instead of 12, your dreams will be filled with more, longer events than your usual dreams.

And there's a better chance that you'll obtain lucidity.

Don't sleep past 10, or you won't feel as good. ;)

[Awhislyle]

Where can I get the remix edition, i had it on my old computer, and now i can't find it.

[hdron]

You can find the remix version on page 5 or something in this thread.

I just wanted to say thanks for the mp3 files. I got two lucid dreams this night..or morning =)

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by sss3d
Hey guys, you need to sleep at least at 10 and wake up at 6.

But the waking part can be optional ;)

The moons cycles correlate with the time.

And between 10 and 6, the body needs to be rested in order to produce hormones, \"feel better\" energy, etc.

Maybe you've noticed, if you've slept at 9 instead of 12, your dreams will be filled with more, longer events than your usual dreams.

And there's a better chance that you'll obtain lucidity.

Don't sleep past 10, or you won't feel as good. *;)

Mucho Agreed! My best lucids(with the mp3) and longer lucids came around 4-6 AM. I usually started the mp3 at about 3-4 and let it loop until I wake up. Eventually it creeps into your dreams with ease! You should be able to right click and save-as link below.

http://www.interstellarwarfare.com/pizo/LucidRemix.mp3

:D

[Ryuartyi]

That MP3 worked last night, I couldn't believe it. The results I had is on that link to my dream journal. Feel free to read.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....p=242598#242598 (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=242598#242598)

[jhk]

I also tried it last night, unfortunately it didn't work very well.

I woke up after about 4 hours of sleep and turned it on. I had some troubles falling asleep with it before, so this time I put some calming music before it. Unfortunately it's volume was too high and if I turned it down I wouldn't hear the induction track after it, so I skipped the music, set the player to repeat the induction track and hoped it won't disturb me too much. It did. I couldn't fall asleep for what seemed about 20 minutes, I was about to stop it and give up, but when I turned around I noticed that it's one hour later than I thought it is, so I must have slept, but I felt like I was awake all the time, it was probably very light (and dreamless) sleep. At that time I went to the bathroom and after that I was way too awake to fall asleep with the track on, so I finally gave up. Not a very pleasant night. But I'll try again today, hopefully with better timing.

Just one suggestion, I'd much prefer if it was narrated (is this the right word?) by a female voice, I think it would be less disturbing when falling asleep. On the other hand it may not penetrate into the dream that well, but it could be better for a start until you get used to falling asleep without problems while it is playing.

[Goldsplinter]

Does 1 have to be very very sleepy or tired to listen to this?

Or half asleep?

Cuz was full awake, put on, and the voice just kept bothering and making my eyebrows togethor, like when your mad, Kept bothering my third eye. Even with low volume.

Today in morning tried it, but no LD, and volume was very low, woke up at 9 am, slept 8 minutes later with it on, very low (forgot it had been low from before maybe would be better if louder) and the only thing i got was a very vivid dream.....it was awesome... It was like Aeon Flux kinda thing except im a guy.

[phoenelai]

Thanks for the input. I plan to do another mp3 with some of the following changes.

(Using binaural beats/tones) I think I will give ther user about 20 minutes to get to Delta hz. At that point I'll keep them in Delta for the remaining 40 minutes for a total runtime of 60 minutes. Theta is dreamless sleep and will not use that. I'll see if I can get a girl to do voice over whispers, placed in the left and right ear and start them about 30 minutes into the recording. I think the statements it has now are good but not simple enough. I open to suggestions but this is what I like so far.

"You are dreaming"

"This is a dream, do a reality check!"

"The next time I'm dreaming, I will recognize that I'm dreaming!"

[Goldsplinter]

Can ya put a softer voice? Maybe more femininen? (So it won't bother or startle some1) Unless if the voice how it is now is the optimum.

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Goldsplinter
Can ya put a softer voice? *Maybe more femininen? (So it won't bother or startle some1) Unless if the voice how it is now is the optimum.

Yes, I'm going to try to get a girl to do the voice overs. I like the idea of whispers as well like you hear in self-help CD's etc. Passing them to the left and right ears affects the brain differently as well. I'll keep everyone posted on the new mp3.

:D

[HoppyPotty]

One suggestion to people with trouble falling asleep: Put it at the very lowest volume and keep going up if it dusnt work. You might be able to hear it while u sleep but unable to hear it awake. :eek:

[jhk]

So I tried again today, I was much more sleepy when I woke up and fell asleep pretty fast even with it playing, unfortunately I didn't hear anything in a dream :( and it wasn't especially vivid either. Gotta try again this night.

(Using binaural beats/tones) I think I will give ther user about 20 minutes to get to Delta hz. At that point I'll keep them in Delta for the remaining 40 minutes for a total runtime of 60 minutes.[/b]
Just please place one or two statements right on the beginning so we can adjust the volume properly.

I think the statements it has now are good but not simple enough.[/b]
I think the content of the statements doesn't really matter, as long as you hear and understand it, you'll get lucid anyway, I'd even say longer statements might be better as they are more likely to get registered.

Also, perhaps placing a subtle "beep" before some later statements could help them penetrate into the dream (unless it would wake people up, but it might be worth a try).

And by the way, you're doing a great work phoenelai, thank you! :)

[Ardor]

I've downloaded the remixed version and I will attempt this tonight. I hope to God this works for me.

[samf]

This topic is huge so I'm defenitley not gonna check if this question has been posted.

I'm currently in the middle of like a dry spell..lack of motivation would be that problem.

Well I thought maybe this would be cool to try, but I cannot wake up until morning once I fall asleep. I would not wake up if my house security alarm went off... (it's loud as HELL). I wil probably go to vbed around 2 AM tonight, would it work if I started playing it when I start going to sleep?

[Ardor]

Yes it has worked for other people like that but it is more effective to wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep listening to it. Some people have said all they had to do was listen to it for a while, then turn it off and go to sleep. Or leave it on all night listening to it on repeat.

[samf]

Originally posted by Ardor
Yes it has worked for other people like that but it is more effective to wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep listening to it. *Some people have said all they had to do was listen to it for a while, then turn it off and go to sleep. *Or leave it on all night listening to it on repeat.

Well hopefully this will get through to me.

btw, does it help that I have had some lucid experiences already?

[Awhislyle]

THat sounds like a really good idea for the new version.
Im going to be using the remix tonight, goign to set the alarm clock for 4 and then play it when I wake up

good luck me.

[samf]

Originally posted by Awhislyle
THat sounds like a really good idea for the new version.
Im going to be using the remix tonight, goign to set the alarm clock for 4 and then play it when I wake up

good luck me.

good luck
:P

[phoenelai]

Thanks for the kind words. My work into this is all for the research of lucid dreaming and to help other achieve such a wonderfu state of mind/sleep. I state again, my best results were to wake up around 3 AM. Go get some water, go to the restroom or even have some cereal. Go back to bed and let it loop until you wake up. You'll be better rested and more alert, sometimes it doesnt feel like you go back to sleep but you do. Just on the edge!!!!

:D

[samf]

well, I tired it last night.

I have no clue how anyone can fall asleep with the voices and techno. (makes me feel like laughing) Well maybe it will be easier tonight, god knows when I'll go to bed.

[Awhislyle]

Originally posted by phoenelai
Thanks for the kind words. My work into this is all for the research of lucid dreaming and to help other achieve such a wonderfu state of mind/sleep. I state again, my best results were to wake up around 3 AM. Go get some water, go to the restroom or even have some cereal. Go back to bed and let it loop until you wake up. You'll be better rested and more alert, sometimes it doesnt feel like you go back to sleep but you do. Just on the edge!!!!

:D

I dont see how people do so much stuff and get back to sleep. I sat up in my bed and got on my laptop for 30 secs( I played a game of easy minesweeper) and then I was awake as heck, I couldnt get back too sleep.

All I do in the morning is turn off my alram clock and maybe stare at it for a lil bit, and any more than that and Im too awake.

[Ardor]

I was so effing close. I went to sleep for a while, woke up and put the headphones on and slept again. Well At one point in the dream I could here the guys voice clearly but I thought it was perfectly normal and didn't do anything about it. I'll try again tonight.

[Xylaphonic]

What happens with you cd player, where is it when you wake up and is it safe to keep headphones in your ears whilst sleeping?

[Awhislyle]

I keep it in the bed right beside me, and when I go to sleep I out it under my pillow.
As for headphones, I have bud earphones, not the wrap around kind

[Led]

should I continue to repeat the track or should I leave it as one?

[Copywritten]

you should repeat it, from what I understand.

[phoenelai]

My best results was when I woke up around 3AM and played it until I woke up (around 6 AM). Those are lighter sleep REM periods and the track has a good possibility of getting through.

:dreaming:

[Goldsplinter]

Originally posted by phoenelai
Thanks for the kind words. My work into this is all for the research of lucid dreaming and to help other achieve such a wonderfu state of mind/sleep. I state again, my best results were to wake up around 3 AM. Go get some water, go to the restroom or even have some cereal. Go back to bed and let it loop until you wake up. You'll be better rested and more alert, sometimes it doesnt feel like you go back to sleep but you do. Just on the edge!!!!

:D

Will do Tonight

[phoenelai]

Well I've completed version 3 of the lucid induction track. I took some suggestions from everyone (thank you) and tried to incorporate them. The only drawback is i'm still using the same samples. I initially planned to get a female voice (suggested as easier to listen to or soothing) but no luck and getting the talent.

Note: If any female has decent computer mic and would like to contribute. Please contact me so we can make these changes. Mucho Appreciated!

The three statements are at the very beginning letting you adjust your volume. The samples now pass between the left and right ear. I used 15-3HTZ binural tones. They ramp every 10 minutes but I think its pretty suttle. The voice samples do not come in until 21 minutes or so. The track is also accompanied by ocean waves and light drones. I think overall it's pretty relaxing. I'll be testing this weekend, primarily to make sure its easy to relax to. If I happen to pop a lucid then even better.

I'll post hopefully after the weekend!

:D

[HoppyPotty]

I WUB YOU!!! :-P :banana: :loveyou: :smitten:



Hopefully well be as good as the last.

[phoenelai]

Wow, I have to say this could have just been by chance but this morning I played the mp3 one time and turned it off and just laid there for a few moments. Almost instantly I had some of the best HI (Hypnagogic Imagery) I've ever seen. (Note: I knew I was awake because I could here the television) I was looking at what I thought was New York city in the morning (I could see the sun rising) but it was like I was seeing it through tunnel vision. That lasted about 3 minutes then the visuals changed to underwater which didnt last as long. I started to vibrate which is when sleep paralysis kicked in and shook me up; so I woke up. I feel like this is what it would look like if you were remote viewing. It was the coolest thing.

Outside of that, I have some cosemetic sounds stuff I need to fix but I think were going to have fun with this one folks!

From yahoo article:
"Evidence for the possible conduciveness of these states to anomalous experiences is discussed with reference to experimental studies (e.g., ganzfeld), spontaneous cases and surveys. Evidence for the possible misinterpretation of hypnagogic/hypnopompic experiences is discussed with reference to experiences with anomalous interpretations found in different cultures (e.g., Old Hag attacks) which have similar phenomenology to sleep paralysis plus accompanying imagery."

:D

[chong]

Wow what can i say . I bought a pillow sonic speaker and hooked up a cable to my computer and set the perfect alarm for 3:00 am with this mp3 playing .I had my first lucid dream in 8 months and then i had my second 2 hrs after that also i had dreams with in dreams that i could remember unbelievable . Thank you

[phoenelai]

Wow, that's great news regarding the mp3...CONGRATS!.

Funny I was about to buy the pillow speaker as well. Where did you purchase yours?
I was thinking about toolsforwellness.com http://www.toolsforwellness.com/82058.html (not to be confuse with the other lame site wellnesstools (Bruce). How do you like it? I think even my earbuds are starting to annoy me.

phoen++

[chong]

This is the site i got the product from http://www.dreamessentials.com I like it it doesnt wake my wife up and its perfect under the pillow of course you can adjust the volume from what device you hook it up to .Its a nice product.

[chong]

also there's the Deluxe Pillow Speaker can pick this up at radio shack for under 10.00 .I think pillowsonic has to speakers built into it. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.js...rentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103574&cp=&kw=pillow+speaker&parentPage=search)

[phoenelai]

Thanks for the info. I went ahead and ordered the toolsforwellness one. it's like 19.00 which isnt terrible. I hope the sounds is good, I'll let you know.

:D

[Siav]

Hey, I may just be blind, or stupid. Did you post that remix up yet? I looked all over, but I couldn't find it. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't post it yet, but I'm just making sure I'm not missing out on anything. :)

[Siav]

While on the subject of lucid induction tracks, I thought I would show this one I found. For the people who said the techno stuff was keeping them awake, I thought this might be better for them. I am going to try phonelais track tonight, and loop it and this other track together on a CD. I'll post up my results for both, if I get any. I'm getting pretty desperate for a Lucid. 8)

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Siav
Hey, I may just be blind, or stupid. Did you post that remix up yet? I looked all over, but I couldn't find it. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't post it yet, but I'm just making sure I'm not missing out on anything. :)

Version 3.2 is not posted, sorry I have some fine tunning after testing it the other night. It will be in this thread so I don't think you'll miss it. Thanks for your interest!

:D

[Goldsplinter]

Haven't been able to Lucid Dream yet with the mp3.

Does 1 focus on the track while listening or just put it on go to sleep with nothing in mind?

Any help?

[HoppyPotty]

You wanna try and fall asleep in that first minute if possible. I also found that if you cant fall asleep and listen to it for a about 20-30 minutes theres still a much higher chance of becoming lucid.

[Ardor]

Ok its pissing me off now. I've tried this MP3 for some time now. I have no problem falling asleep to it. Its very very relaxing. The problem is, in my dream when the voice actually comes through, the words he is saying are blurry and jumbled like he's talking jibberish, then when I realize what it is and strain to hear what he's saying, It will slowly wake me up.

I'll listen to it before I fall asleep just to have it in mind, then I'll wake up at 3 and start it up again on loop. I've gotten so close but Im thinkin I need to have it louder so it won't be jumbled speech. Only problem is I have my PSP already set on the highest volume. :cry:

I guess when you release the new version I'll find a way to make it louder. You've done a great job so far and you've gotten me closer to lucid dreaming than anything so keep up the good work.

[eyestotheskies]

Last night I listened to the LucidRemix mp3 and in my dream I was explaining to my family what lucid dreaming was and how to do to reality checks. I told them about how they could hold their nose and try to breath through it and if they could then that would mean they were dreaming. Sure enough they did this and told me that they could breath through their nose while holding it closed. I told them they werent doing it right, because you shouldnt be able to. I then woke up and realized that it was a dream. I cant remember if I did an RC, but I never realized I was dreaming during it.

Im going to listen to it again tonight and see if I can use it to become lucid.

I have a few questions.
Are most of you listening to the original mp3 or the remix?
Can you hear the voices in your dream and then you realize you are dreaming?
Can you understand what he is saying most of the time?

Thanks.

[HoppyPotty]

ya PHOeNELAI!! wheres the new mp3?!!!!! :mad:

[Abstract Fire]

I'm listening to it right now and it's getting into my head and making me sleepy.

It's good it's getting into my head, because whenever music is going round in my head when I'm awake it does when I'm asleep too, so even if I turn it off *hopefully* it'll work.

NONE of my CD players have a loop. :cry: :mad:

[phoenelai]

Well for me, I've always been able to hear what he is saying. It usually comes through in my dreams as clear as a bell and I go lucid. Again though since I created it, I've always known in what he is saying.

Maybe we should hold off on version 3.2 and get a female with a nice soothing voice to come up with the statments. I think the current statements are too wordy and need to be re-thought. I think the more simple the better. Here is what I would like to hear so far.

1. This is a dream!

2. You are dreaming!

3. Do a reality check now, this is a dream!

Note: I would like all three statements in regular volume and whispers; they blend nice with the white noise of the ocean waves which acts like subliminal messages instead of direct the entire recording.

Any person could send this to me on CD then I can drop in the track. The rest of the new mp3 is fantastic very soothing binural tones and drones! So guys and gals, get your girlfriends, wives, lovers (whatever) to start recording and send to me. Please private message for mailing address for CD or point URL to mp3 downloads!

Please let me know if you would like me to post as is or wait until we get the correct voice samples! I think if we improve on this we will not require any further changes!!!

Thanks team! :wink:

[bluesteel108]

hey everyone, i just joined the forum but i'm not new to lucid dreaming; i've been trying on and off for a few years. anyways, i tried phoenelai's cd mp3, and i've had two lucid dreams in about a week so i would definately recommend it. they were relatively short and the first occured early in the morning, like 7 i think and the other was a nap i had at 4 (even though i played it in the morning and didnt get a lucid dream hmmm......). anyways cant wait for the updated one with a girls voice haha.

[Pokle]

I downloaded the Lucid Remix yesterday (31 minute one) and played it once in bed before I went to sleep and tried to set my watch alarm for around 3am. It seemed quite relaxing though the voices tended to start a bit too near the beginning I thought. However, I did not fall to sleep very quickly and actually heard the CD come to a stop (I know this is not meant to make you fall asleep, but I thought I would just listen to it first before sleeping and then play it again on repeat in the morning.

My night was not very restful. First I woke at around 11.30 and felt like I had been asleep for hours. I went to the bathroom and quickly nodded back off to sleep again, but this time had some perculiar and disjointed dreams. I woke again at around 2.30 and decided that by the time I had jotted down the outline for the dream I had just had, 15 minutes had elapsed and decided then to cancel the alarm and put the CD on repeat. It took me simply ages to fall back to sleep. I was tired, but I found the voices disturbing on the CD to an extent that I turned the volume lower, but this seemed to eradicate most of the background noises. It took me in the region of an hour an a half to fall back to sleep. During this I had such a vague and imcomprehnsible dream I didn't even attempt to log it. I woke wondering what the voice was I could hear for a moment before I realised it was the CD, by which time, at around 5am my dad got up ready for work and as normal sent the dogs (2 small ones) up to kip the rest of the night (one hour-ish) on my bed. By that time I was still drowsy and abandonned the CD and went almost instantly off to sleep, quite tired. During that time though, before I got up at around 6.15 I did have quite a long and vivid dream though not lucid.

I have several theories as to why I had such an apalling night - 1) it was very windy here last night which makes the stuff in the loft rustle about and the wind whips and moans around the TV aerial which you can hear very clearly and uncomfortably in my room especially; 2) I was too excited from the reults I read to rest and relax properly; and 3) I normally have a glass or two of beer in the evening but last night I had s different sort which perhaps didn't agree with me.

I have a few questions I'd like to ask:
1) Is super-dooper crystal clear stereo sound essential? - the layout of my room means I have one speaker on my bedside cupboard but the other has to go on the floor under the bed pointing upwards. I can hear it but is not well balanced. Also I often have one ear on the pillow, so if stereo is essential then I'd better invest in some of those diddy earphones and a portable CD player as mine does not have headphone jack.

2) Is it better to start the CD just before consciousness vanishes into sleep? I fear I may fall asleep before I have chance to press the button.

3) Is it essential to hear all the background noises or are they purely for relaxation and to guide you into sleep?

Many thanks for your time in helping me. It's been a fun experiment but I wish I could have reported more positive results. I will try again though. Oddly, even though I had such a rough night I don't feel as tired as I would have expected to, but maybe I'm still on cloud 9 for finding this forum and the world seems rosy and bright atm - even though it's peeing with rain and I got a wet bum on my bike to work this morning :lol:

Blessings
Pokle :)

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Pokle
I downloaded the Lucid Remix yesterday (31 minute one) and played it once in bed before I went to sleep and tried to set my watch alarm for around 3am. It seemed quite relaxing though the voices tended to start a bit too near the beginning I thought. However, I did not fall to sleep very quickly and actually heard the CD come to a stop (I know this is not meant to make you fall asleep, but I thought I would just listen to it first before sleeping and then play it again on repeat in the morning.

My night was not very restful. First I woke at around 11.30 and felt like I had been asleep for hours. I went to the bathroom and quickly nodded back off to sleep again, but this time had some perculiar and disjointed dreams. I woke again at around 2.30 and decided that by the time I had jotted down the outline for the dream I had just had, 15 minutes had elapsed and decided then to cancel the alarm and put the CD on repeat. It took me simply ages to fall back to sleep. I was tired, but I found the voices disturbing on the CD to an extent that I turned the volume lower, but this seemed to eradicate most of the background noises. It took me in the region of an hour an a half to fall back to sleep. During this I had such a vague and imcomprehnsible dream I didn't even attempt to log it. I woke wondering what the voice was I could hear for a moment before I realised it was the CD, by which time, at around 5am my dad got up ready for work and as normal sent the dogs (2 small ones) up to kip the rest of the night (one hour-ish) on my bed. By that time I was still drowsy and abandonned the CD and went almost instantly off to sleep, quite tired. During that time though, before I got up at around 6.15 I did have quite a long and vivid dream though not lucid.

I have several theories as to why I had such an apalling night - 1) it was very windy here last night which makes the stuff in the loft rustle about and the wind whips and moans around the TV aerial which you can hear very clearly and uncomfortably in my room especially; 2) I was too excited from the reults I read to rest and relax properly; and 3) I normally have a glass or two of beer in the evening but last night I had s different sort which perhaps didn't agree with me.

I have a few questions I'd like to ask:
1) Is super-dooper crystal clear stereo sound essential? - the layout of my room means I have one speaker on my bedside cupboard but the other has to go on the floor under the bed pointing upwards. I can hear it but is not well balanced. Also I often have one ear on the pillow, so if stereo is essential then I'd better invest in some of those diddy earphones and a portable CD player as mine does not have headphone jack.

2) Is it better to start the CD just before consciousness vanishes into sleep? I fear I may fall asleep before I have chance to press the button.

3) Is it essential to hear all the background noises or are they purely for relaxation and to guide you into sleep?

Many thanks for your time in helping me. It's been a fun experiment but I wish I could have reported more positive results. I will try again though. Oddly, even though I had such a rough night I don't feel as tired as I would have expected to, but maybe I'm still on cloud 9 for finding this forum and the world seems rosy and bright atm - even though it's peeing with rain and I got a wet bum on my bike to work this morning :lol:

Blessings
Pokle :)

1. I think as long as the volume is at the correct level this recording doesnt have to be played on High Fidelity systems. I use mine with an mp3 player. If the volume is too low it usually doesnt come through the dream for me. The next version will have 3-15htz binural tones whichi will at least require a nice mp3 player or good cd player and speakers. The low hertz requires some minimal bass response.

2. The induction track has only worked for me when I start playing it in the late morning. I wake up around 3AM get some water and play the mp3 on repeat until I wake up. The later REM periods you'll be more alert and tend to hear the disc in your dreams. When I play it at the beginning of the night, I just sleep through it and not very concious.

3. The gentle drones and wave sounds were produced by Tamas lab "Space Distortion". I didnt create that just merely used it in the mix. I don't know what the htz of those tones are and I'm not sure if they are essential in playing in the lucid aspects. I think those elements simply relax you. The voice is usually the main trigger. I think the next version will show some serious promise with new statements and possibly a female voice. There will be 3-15HTZ binural tones which will assist in getting you lucid and again some light drones and ocean waves for relaxation.

Cheers! :lol:

[Pokle]

Great :D I shall wait with baited breath and try again tonight maybe a little louder.

Would it be better to press the play button when I'm on the very edge of dropping off again?

Perhaps if I didn't wake myself quite so much in the first place as I did last night buy writing for quarter of an hour it would have been more successful....

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Pokle
Great :D I shall wait with baited breath and try again tonight maybe a little louder.

Would it be better to press the play button when I'm on the very edge of dropping off again?

Perhaps if I didn't wake myself quite so much in the first place as I did last night buy writing for quarter of an hour it would have been more successful....

Sounds like a plan. Or sleep a few hours then start it, you'll have some results soon.

:-P

[Cyledehysp]

Ok heres my report:

Tried it last night, set alarm clock to ring after 5 hours of sleep, went to the toilet, came back and playd in on my mp3 player + headphones.. It was relaxing, but voice was keeping me awake. After some time I realised that I`m having difficulties with faling asleep. After some more time, decided to lower volume.

Still, the voice was keeping me awake :). For along time it seemed I will not be able to fall asleep at al, but one time I remembered that I did have a very very short dreem, so I must have been sleeping lightly for a while. Generally I felt tired, but been keept on the edge just before falling asleep most of the time.

At one point, during very weak sleep (and short) /I heard a voice in my ears telling me It`s a dream :) and I reckonized it and, sort of, have done same thing I have done before while ataining lucidity, grabbed new attained conciousness, prepared to hold on and lucid dream, unfortunatly my dream was too subtle and it just woke me up.

All in all, thanks a lot for few hours of restless tortures, phoenelai, thanx a lot! ;) But seriously, thank you for making this file, I think its great idea and a very nice helper/motivator for learning LD. Here let me summarise things:

At first it was much too loud for me to let me fall asleep, but even with turning sound down and down, male voice kept me from falling asleep/or waking me. So making it more relaxing/gentle/ with femal voice should improve it a lot. As a side not, I was excited so more time with experimentation should help as well (as you said, voice can not be to quiet/gentle to not be heard through dream. I`m looking forward for new version and see what I can do with geting a female recording. I have a friend, a girl who sings in a band, perhaps she`ll agree to do it and will have a good voice. Well see.

lets keep it up :)

[phoenelai]

Thanks for helping us out. The Dream Views LDrs appreciate the help and I thank you for your feedback as well!

:D

[Cyledehysp]

Hey, its a pleassure being here - we`r all explorers of conciousness and wer in this together. Its a wonderful thing such forums can exist and people can exchange ideas, and push each other in a good direction :D

[Pokle]

Originally posted by Cyledehysp
Ok heres my report:

Tried it last night, set alarm clock to ring after 5 hours of sleep, went to the toilet, came back and playd in on my mp3 player + headphones.. It was relaxing, but voice was keeping me awake. After some time I realised that I`m having difficulties with faling asleep. After some more time, decided to lower volume.

Still, the voice was keeping me awake :). For along time it seemed I will not be able to fall asleep at al, but one time I remembered that I did have a very very short dreem, so I must have been sleeping lightly for a while. Generally I felt tired, but been keept on the edge just before falling asleep most of the time.

At one point, during very weak sleep (and short) /I heard a voice in my ears telling me It`s a dream :) and I reckonized it and, sort of, have done same thing I have done before while ataining lucidity, grabbed new attained conciousness, prepared to hold on and lucid dream, unfortunatly my dream was too subtle and it just woke me up.

All in all, thanks a lot for few hours of restless tortures, phoenelai, thanx a lot! ;) But seriously, thank you for making this file, I think its great idea and a very nice helper/motivator for learning LD. Here let me summarise things:

At first it was much too loud for me to let me fall asleep, but even with turning sound down and down, male voice kept me from falling asleep/or waking me. So making it more relaxing/gentle/ with femal voice should improve it a lot. As a side not, I was excited so more time with experimentation should help as well (as you said, voice can not be to quiet/gentle to not be heard through dream. I`m looking forward for new version and see what I can do with geting a female recording. I have a friend, a girl who sings in a band, perhaps she`ll agree to do it and will have a good voice. Well see.

lets keep it up :)

Ditto that! Seems you were experiencing the same problems as myself. One suggestion is that the voice/waves bit is OK while dozing, but perhaps after a decent length of time the waves could vanish altogether and just have the voice but much quieter? This may then be still likely to get through in the silence of a room as it won't be competing against the other sounds.

Would be nice to hear a soft Irish (male or female) or Scottish (female) voice but I suppose that would be a bit too picky :!: :lol: (I'm not Irish or Scottish but just like the sound of some of their voices).

The one used at the moment is soft enough but just seems a bit loud to nod off to.

**************
Another question slightly off topic here. My household tends to be a bit chaotic though well enough organised - my mum has a job which starts at 9am. I have a job which starts at 7am, my dad has a job which starts at any time between 4am and 6 am. Consequently we're all up and about at different times. I have two small dogs (Westies) - mine, not the familiy in general. As a result, when my dad gets up, he lets the dogs come up and spend the rest of the night on my bed. I don't mind and it's been like this for the past eight years, and generally I fall back to sleep usually with dreams too. Often I find the gentle sound of them breathing contentedly quite relaxing. It is usually within this period that I LD - the first of which occured some nine months ago - long before I knew what it was called and how fantastic it was even though I thought at the time I was cracking up. Anyway, that's by-the-by. If I knew my dad was going to be up disturbing me at 4am, but the call of nature woke me at 3 or 3.30am I would get the dogs up myself then as I saw no point in just falling back to sleep to be woken an hour or half an hour later. This is an ideal time to play the CD, but I am a little worried that perhaps it might have some undesirable effect on the dogs. :oops: I know this is a really weird question/thought, but do you think it is possible it may affect them too? They may have LDs too :lol:, but I was more concerned about anything else which may result. Or perhaps during the period they're with me I ought to just see if I can induce LD as it has happened before a few times but not at all lately.

Sorry for waffling on, especially as it's a bit off-key but your thoughts are much appreciated.

[phoenelai]

I like the idea of the waves eventually leaving. The more isolated the easier to concentrate.

Regarding the dogs, I couldnt imagine the frequencies would have any affect on them other than annoying them. Again though, these are not high frequencies (which dogs can here) but rather low frequencies which shouldnt really bother them. You could probably research on the web regarding dogs hearing abilities and what ranges they can hear etc.

:wink:

[Pokle]

Thanks for that :) I doubt very much it will annoy the dogs as they listen to so many different things and different styles of music. My youngest hides if any spooky music is played on the television, like when a murder is about to happen, but other than that they usually just listen with me. If I can't get back to sleep, I often play natural sounds CDs, like waves, rainfall, streams etc and they listen and take very little notice.

At least I know I can now play it with confidence that it will not affect their behaviour or anything :)

One thing I found out about this morning after I posted here, on another website regarding deliberately trying to induce LDs, was, apart from the method we've discussed at waking after 5-6 hours and then play the CD, was to do it at an hour - hour and a half after sleeping. Apparantly this is also a good time to try. Presuemably it is easier to go back to sleep after such a short spell and therefore drift into lucidity before the mind has had much chance to wander.

Anyway, I'll see what happens tonight and try and leave the light on dim too to see if that helps.

Can't help but laugh at myself to the trouble we must go to, to try and LD. :lol: I can just imagine what some of my boring 'normal' friends would say if they found out :lol: It's almost indescribable the feeling it creates when it works. Have to experience it :D

[Goldsplinter]

Only getting a Billion Dreams a night with this mp3. (The remix one)

Maybe should try out the first version?

[Cyledehysp]

But its worth the trouble isn`t it :)

I`m here to report back - pretty much similar thing happend. Even on a low, hardly hearable volume it kept me awake, and at one piont during half sleep I`v noticed my earphones droped out of my ears, and being already tired I decided that perhaps I`v listened enough and I`ll just go to sleep and if something happens - good - but unfortunatly it didn`t. I had much more dreams thought, and one was very short and very disturbing - I dont connect it to this recording thought.

Yet again I was excited and that probably wasnt helping me to fall asleep,. I`m looking forward for a new version, more sleeping - friendly :)

As for female recordings, I`m working on it - Iv talked to a friend of this band=girl, and we`ll probably meet at manday to discuss it all, but I will get possybly another recording from another source, may the best female win ! :mrgreen:

[Pokle]

Just me again reporting back. I decided to try using the CD differently last night - listened to it last night as I nodded off .

I had set my alarm to wake me at around quarter to midnight thinking that perhaps that may work as I would be tired enough to drop off to sleep easily. As it was t he alarm woke me with an unpleasant shock. I had been dreaming before hand but they were vague and incomprehensible. I scribbled some notes but these make no sense this morning :lol: I played the CD but decided not to leave it on repeat (perhaps a mistake now) and I was just on the point of nodding off and was effortlessly repeating in my mind the words spoken on it. I did drop off but was suddenly and unpleasantly woken somewhere near the end of the recording by the voice. (If I had thought about it at the time I would have repeated the track on the CD so there were two identical ones and give me an hour of uninterupted sounds. When the disc gets to the end the CD player does make a funny squeaky whirring noise as it finds the beginning again. Although this is quiet it is quite audible in the stillness of night). I fell asleep before the end of the track, but again woken when the CD came to the end. I think the sudden absence of sound was to blame for this. I played it through a second time and fell asleep quite quickly and long before then end.

I think maybe the sound on the CD ends a bit too abruptly. I have quite a few relaxation CDs with nature sounds on them, one of my favourite being Dan Gibsons Solitudes Ocean Surf which has very gentle wave sounds, but they seem slower than other recordings I have of the sea and seem to fit in with the pattern of breathing and is superb to relax to. Anyway I digress, what I was going to say is that the recording level fades gently over a period of several minutes at the end so that there is no sudden end of sound but just fades away. Similarly, it may take 20-30 seconds at the beginning to achieve full volume - ideal if on repeat.

So now I am in the land of nod once more, and I did have slightly more memorable dreams though my recall seems to be apalling. They were not lucid nor particularly vivid. I awoke around 4am went to the loo and got the dogs up so that I wouldn't be disturbed later on. I didn't play the CD again, but decided just to go to sleep and see if matters improved or got worse. They did neither. I fell asleep, and had another vague and disjointed dream which I only remember bits of.

As a summary, I think I may be partly to blame for such a hopeless night: Firstly I decided to have a reasonable amount of soft cheese after my dinner (which I know to have given me some vivid dreams in the past and some lucid ones too, though it wasn't the cheese I would normally have had). Recently I read a report by the British Cheese Board (not sure if pun intended or not), and an experiment was conducted to see if cheese giving you dreams was a myth or not. The results were quite startling in that not only did most cheese give dreams, the type of cheese seemed to dictate what the dreams were about. So maybe that didn't help.
Secondly I left the light on very low next to my bed - again I don't know if this had any effect or not. Certainly it didn't disturb me which I was surprised about.
Thirdly, I'm not sure that setting the alarm so near to me going to sleep was such a good idea. I really am wondering whether I should put the CD when I wak up naturally in the night - which is slow and natural rather than being shocked out of a dream. I usually wake at least once or sometimes twice, and it is after these natural waking up periods that all my previous LDs have occured.

The other train of thought which is going through my mind atm, is perhaps I should put the CD on repeat when I go to bed and leave it all night. That way, if and when I rouse enough to hear it in my lighter periods of sleep it wouldn't matter at all and would save being consciously disturbed, and when I'm deep in the sleep I wouldn't hear it at all. That may save all the disturbances. of trying to estimate when I fall asleep and when I need to wake up to put the CD on.

It's Friday today and as such I don't have to work tomorrow and will try to have a slightly later night and a decent lie-in in the morning. Certainly this has helped in the past, so maybe I'll be lucky.....

Would be nice to find a definite recipe to become Lucid again ;)

[phoenelai]

You made two good suggestions which should work.

1. Let it repeat all night.

2. Wake up naturally and repeat until you wake up.

I think both of those are great ways to incorporate, especially if an alarm is jarring in the middle of the night.

:D

[Pokle]

Amazing how you can say what you mean in four lines and I use about 200!

I'll let you know the outcome tomorrow. I'm already starting to feel drowsy this evening (now about 5 to 9) and to be quite honest I feel a bit low and could do with something to cheer me up, so I'm going to see what other info I can glean off here and hopefully put myself in a better frame of mind before bed :)

[Pokle]

Well another night been and gone and very unsuccessfully :( :(

Played CD all night and did not set any alarms. I woke into consciousness at 11.30, 1.00, 2.30, 4.00 - not suddenly, but gradually, still hearing the same voices on the CD. My dreams were even more fragmented than normal. Between each of these were tiny bits of dreams. Some of these I made brief notes about which are useless now I look back on them. By four in the morning I had enough so stopped the CD and went back to sleep. My sleep still seemed to be disturbed but not enough to wake me fully. I woke properly at around 7.40. During this time I did have more dreams of 'normal' nature, but again I recall very little of them. This is a bit unusual as I normally have fairly good recall of what I have been dreaming about, but it seems all but gone.

As far as experimenting goes this has yeilded less results than some of the other methods I have tried with the CD. In an effort not to give up, the only other thing I can think of doing now is to perhaps play it once as I drift off (as previously this did promote quite vivid dreams) and then if I wake in the night which I often do between 3 and 4, play the CD again - perhaps on repeat, perhaps not depending on how I feel.

I may also drink lots of water before bed as this will force me to wake prematurely when the call of nature arises, and hopefully I'll be still tired enough thento drift back off to sleep without trouble and see what happens.

I've downloaded version 3.2 onto CD - do you think I ought to try this yet or stick with the remix version I have been using?

To be honest, I am surprised at how often I was disturbed last night by it, but so little proper dreams. Not an easy hobby to practice during the rest of the day :lol:

[phoenelai]

3.2 Hasnt been posted yet. So at the beginning of the thread should be the original. Later on is the remix. I'm not sure exactly what you calling 3.2?

What I would suggest is take a week break, then either wait for the new version or try it again later when you've caught up on sleep. Possibly even try some headphones, that might help, its more direct. I hope we get these voices soon, I'm ready to release the next one! :D

[NitePhlight]

I think one of the main issues most people are having (as well as myself) is that the voice is keeping us from truly falling asleep. There are moments in the track when the voice dissapears for maybe a minute or so and during that time I feel like I'm teetering on the edge of sleeping, then the voice comes back and kinda jolts me back to waking. I don't want to turn down the volume too much because I fear I won't hear the voice in my dream (as it is, sometimes when I'm on the edge of sleeping the voice seems blurred already).

I think like a few other people have suggested, maybe leaving 20-30 minutes of voiceless track? I also think that the binaural idea seems really interesting! Can't wait for the new version to try it out ^_^

[Welshwonder]

Just wondering, How Is everyone downloading this? The 2 links I've found in this topic don't seem to work

[phoenelai]

Sorry, everyone, I need to contact my resources for my server. I might have to use an alternate server.

[Cyledehysp]

Originally posted by NitePhlight
I think one of the main issues most people are having (as well as myself) is that the voice is keeping us from truly falling asleep. There are moments in the track when the voice dissapears for maybe a minute or so and during that time I feel like I'm teetering on the edge of sleeping, then the voice comes back and kinda jolts me back to waking. I don't want to turn down the volume too much because I fear I won't hear the voice in my dream *

Amen to that, that seem to be my problem exactly. But if solved this could be very effective tool (it already is quite - for some people)

Two things to help wit that have already beem sugested:

- leaving some time of voiceless track
- having female voice instead of male

anyone got some more?

[phoenelai]

Well folks turns out this was much bigger than I thought. The site 4500 hits and 8gigs of transfer which infact closed my server so I'm homeless temporarily. I need to expand to much more transfer space so were on hold temporarily. I apologize about the confusion in not being able to get to the links.

I'll keep everyone posted on the new site, and let me know about the female voice tracks!

:lol:

[cubikdice]

PM me a link and i'll download it and upload it on a 1 gigbit server!!! :D no bandwidth limit or anything :D you could download it as much and as often as you want :)

[phoenelai]

Thanks, I sent the file to you via yousendit.com. Its about 32 megs so be patient on the download. This is just version 2 (Remix). We are still waiting on some new vocals for the next version (3.2). Dream Views peeps thanks you ever so much for your help!

:D

[Gez]

Im not quite sure when to use this :?
Am i supposed to fall asleep to it or go to sleep wake up then fall back asleep with it :?:

[cubikdice]

Alright everyone you can grab it here :D

http://www.h4x.snipanet.com/LucidRemix.mp3

[Philman123]

Hey thanks, downloading the remix right now. Goodluck at trying to alter it. I too have attempted to use after about 5 hours of sleep but could not fall asleep. Hopefully it gets adjusted. Keep up the awesome tracks commin and thanks phoenelia

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by phoenelai
Well for me, I've always been able to hear what he is saying. It usually comes through in my dreams as clear as a bell and I go lucid. Again though since I created it, I've always known in what he is saying.

Maybe we should hold off on version 3.2 and get a female with a nice soothing voice to come up with the statments. I think the current statements are too wordy and need to be re-thought. I think the more simple the better. Here is what I would like to hear so far.

1. This is a dream!

2. You are dreaming!

3. Do a reality check now, this is a dream!

Note: I would like all three statements in regular volume and whispers; they blend nice with the white noise of the ocean waves which acts like subliminal messages instead of direct the entire recording.

Any person could send this to me on CD then I can drop in the track. The rest of the new mp3 is fantastic very soothing binural tones and drones! So guys and gals, get your girlfriends, wives, lovers (whatever) to start recording and send to me. Please private message for mailing address for CD or point URL to mp3 downloads!

Please let me know if you would like me to post as is or wait until we get the correct voice samples! I think if we improve on this we will not require any further changes!!!

Thanks team! :wink:

[size=18]Still waiting on some female volunteers to do the voice overs! Any help would be appreciated so we can release 3.2! C'mon people lets get busy.

[Placebo]

What about using a woman's voice with text to speech?
(Apologies if this was discussed, may have missed it)

[phoenelai]

I tried that but (at the least the program I had) sounded terrible. It seemed like it would be very jarring because its so unatural. If someone has some good samples please send the links though. Not to mention I still would like some whispers as well.

[Goldsplinter]

Originally posted by phoenelai
I tried that but (at the least the program I had) sounded terrible. It seemed like it would be very jarring because its so unatural. If someone has some good samples please send the links though. Not to mention I still would like some whispers as well.

Can i get my lil sister to do it? lol

[Philman123]

Originally posted by Goldsplinter


Can i get my lil sister to do it? lol

Hmm...A little girl saying "You are dreaming". Might work. Or else listening to it at like 3-4 in the morning it will just sound pretty creepy :shock: I mean when it comes to being scary you cant get much creepier than little girls. (no offense). I would have to hear how it sounds before listening to it because a good female voice would be perfect.

[phoenelai]

Agreed it could be creepy but then again it may not. We can always try if not go back to the drawing board.

:-P

[phoenelai]

Well thanks to Cyledehysp and her friends we finally got some great female vocals. I think these are going to work well. The girl/woman has an extremely pleasant voice. I think all the men and boys might find it sort of HOT! LOL. Remember your only suppose to lucid dream to this...LOL!

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of the track!

:-P

[Placebo]

Originally posted by phoenelai
. I think these are going to work well. The girl/woman has an extremely pleasant voice. I think all the men and boys might find it sort of HOT! LOL. Remember your only suppose to lucid dream to this...LOL!
Aww. I was about to get myself some pr0n :P
Anyway, good going. I'm sure we're all waiting in anticipation :)

[phoenelai]

Of course what guy (or girl) wouldnt want a sexy voice whispering in your ear at 3 AM????

:wink:

[Cyledehysp]

Originally posted by phoenelai
Well thanks to Cyledehysp and her friends we finally got some great female vocals.

Hey, Its cool we could help, I am male btw. However voice owner, Kasia, is defintelly a female :)

[phoenelai]

Ooops. Sorry about that, yes I mean HIS friends who was a girl. I was typing way to fast!

Sorry again! :D

[Cyledehysp]

No problem at all! cant wait to hear her voice implemented!

[phoenelai]

It's done and sounds great. I've sent the 3.3 version to cubikdice, just waiting for him to post! Tell your friend thanks allot!

:lol:

[phoenelai]

Okay here is the latest version of the Lucid 3.3. I think everyone will be pleased with some of the changes.

Starts off with voices so you can adjust your volume.
You'll need mp3 player with earbuds or good boombox/stereo with bass response to hear the binural tones/beats. The voices don't come in until around 20 minutes after the track is running. The Waves fade off for a good period and return closer to the end. The new voices are by a female which are very soothing and pleasant.

Good Luck and always post your results!

http://www.h4x.snipanet.com/Lucid3.3.mp3

[Ardor]

Awesome awesome I really appreciate your efforts and I will try this version as soon as I can. It may not be until sunday or monay though.

[DuckMan_Drake]

I've formally Downloaded this, and I'd like to ask about where I could get other stuff along these lines, for I've the want for a little help to get me into this lucid dream state, for I've been having a terrible period of not being able to recall full lucid dreams, I'll only recollect the tail end of it.

[DuckMan_Drake]

It's been downloaded and I'll listen to it tonight, following your orders. Good night, and sleep well to all.

[HoppyPotty]

I also have it and am currently uploading to my iPod. Sweed and Lucid dreams!

( I will post my results tommorow) :D

[Pokle]

Bother bother bother! :mad:

Downloaded and played it twice last night from 2am and then the batteries went flat in my CD player :(

First impressions very good but wasn't sure if the voice was a bit quiet compared to the waves etc, which seemed a little too loud in order for the voice to be strong enough to penetrate my sleep. However, the waves were very clear and I could easily imagine standing on the beach with the waves lapping orund my feet! I nodded off during the CDs second run but awoke when it started to skip about at which point I gave up as I didn't have any spare batteries.

I fell asleep quickly afterwards and did have quite a vivid and long dream which, I believe, was on the point of becoming Lucid after some time but then the dogs jumped on my bed and woke me up :mad: Still sufficiently drowsy and not needing to go to the bathroom, I was able to return to the scene where I left but it soon became passive after that.

How frustrating! :lol:

I will get some fresh batteries and try again tonight.

Pokle :)

[jhk]

I tried it last night, started playing at 3:40 and set it to loop, unfortunately no lucid dreams, but I do remember couple of vivid non-lucid ones.

The new voices are absolutely great! Very soothing and pleasant, and I love the pronunciation :). Many thanks to Cyledehysp and his friend. Though as Pokle already said, they could be a bit louder, or rather the waves should be more quiet as they seem to be the loudest sound from the whole track. And I wouldn't mind if the voices started sooner in the beginning, one can miss a lot of REM sleep in those 20 minutes.

Anyway, great work. Gotta try again tonight, hopefully this time the voices will penetrate into the dream.

[Pokle]

One curious thing I did notice was when listening to 3.2 with the male voice, I found myself repeating the phrases in my head immediately he had said them, but with this version I didn't. I wonder if that is because the female voice sounded nothing like mine, or because I was taking them in as 'commands' from her directly rather than me repeating them to absorb them.

Anyone else have this?

[HoppyPotty]

I tried it but I didnt get o sleep early enough so I was too sleepy for it to work! :( :(

[DuckMan_Drake]

Bah, slept through it. I'll try going to bed early as all heck and playing it during the wee hours of the morning.

[Pokle]

I'm not doing very well here :( I played it last night through twice, but as it progressed I became more and more awake. I gave up as it got towards the end of the second time around and then struggled to nod off.

Please don't take these as complaints, for they are not intended to be, but the things which come to mind are: sea is too loud (more about this in a mo), voice very pleasant but could do with some whispering ones too and a longer section for the voice. Sometimes a whisper can bring greater response than a shout (not that she is shouting!).

Throughout the sea/waves bit (I think it may be at the end of the loops of waves before they are repeated) there is a distant hoot. At first I thought it was some ignorant neighbour hooting their car horn in the middle of the night, but it comes on the tracks several times and sounds like it is outside.

More out of curiosity than anything else but the sea/waves - can I ask why you chose this? I know it can be very relaxing to listen to (and I have about three or four CDs of waves and was surprised how different they can sound), but sometimes I find the constant variation in volume from when the waves approach and then recede are not so relaxing. Could it be possible to use, say, a rainfall sound - beating against a window, falling gently on leaves, tapping on the roof? Of course I don't expect you to alter it after all this hard work, but I just wondered if it could be possible or if the more uniform volume of such a track would mask out the important bits?

I shall have another go tonight :)

Oh, I forgot to say, after abandonning the disc and taking an age to nod off, I kept thinking of the phrases the voice had said and idly wondered if I would become lucid at all, when as I nodded off I had the most terrific feeling of flying - then I fell asleep! :lol: (and remembered only fragments of non-lucid dreams). The flying experience was something new to me and felt fantastic and if the CD was responsible for this it was worth it!

[Heckler und Koch]

I cannot downloaden the document.

Sadly my English is not so good.

[phoenelai]

We can always substitue different relaxing sounds. If you want we can remove them all together and all you would have is the binural tones and light drones (and voices). Light rain could be easier on the ears unlike waves which rush in and bring in higher volumes.

:D

[Pokle]

Originally posted by phoenelai
We can always substitue different relaxing sounds. If you want we can remove them all together and all you would have is the binural tones and light drones (and voices). Light rain could be easier on the ears unlike waves which rush in and bring in higher volumes.

:D
:oops: :oops: I really wouldn't want to put you to any trouble. You have done so much for us already :) See what others think first. I think its fantastic that you have gone to so much trouble for us all here already. 8) :D

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Heckler und Koch - Your English is better than my German! I will try to help here, but I'm not very good with PCs as I generally use Macs. Use the Right Hand mouse button and click here: http://www.h4x.snipanet.com/Lucid3.3.mp3 Choose from the list 'Save target as....' (not sure what this is in German - 3rd down on the list). Choose where you want to save the file - it's quite big so may take a little while, especially if you're not on broadband.

Once it is downloaded save it to your MP3 player or put it on a CD to play on an ordinary CD player.

Hope I haven't made this more compicated!

Good luck :)

[jhk]

Tried tonight with a bit modified version of 3.3 -- I shortened the 20 min voiceless beginning, took the voices from the volume calibration, made them ~50% louder and put randomly couple of times in the rest. And finally I had a lucid dream, even though it was very short one. Soon after I started playing it I found myself in the same bed I fell asleep in, just 180˚ rotated. I was still distinctly hearing the track. I probably got too excited and it faded before I was able to get out of the bed. But it was pretty cool anyway :).

I'll keep trying, though the earbuds are quite uncomfortable and I found my sleep less refreshing if I play it for too long. But at least I'm getting some progress.

[Pokle]

I'm not doing at all well I'm afraid so I'm going to abandon it for a while.

I find that even when I am tired, the CD seems to wake me up far too much and I am aware of listening to it two perhaps three or more times before I eventually fall asleep, and when I do, I am so tired by then I just sleep through the voices and everything :(

My dream recollection seems to be deminishing too which I put down to me being too tired and sleeping too deeply.

So a break for a week or so before I try again I think :) If any LDs happen in the meantime I shall have to try and remember the exact circumstances under which they happen :lol:

[UnReaL]

The male version of the mp3 gave me a lucid dream last night. I first got it months ago and had a lucid dream the first night but then it didn't work for quite a while so I stopped using it. I tried it again on a whim last night.

Here is how it worked for me. I was dreaming that I was in my room sitting around. Some man entered my room and I needed to find out what he was doing there. In the dream I was listening to the dream mp3 on my ipod. I had to take out the ear pieces to talk to this man. I took them out but I still could hear the music then I realized I was probably dreaming and I still had the ear pieces on in real life. I did the nose-pinch breath reality test and it worked, showing I was dreaming. I had to defend myself from that intruder guy, then I went outside to enjoy the lucid dream.

I am not going to use the female version. I listened to it and her voice is nice, but I don't want the 20 minutes of no voice.

[HoppyPotty]

I seem to never remember how I became lucid, or before I was lucid. I just remember realising I am dreaming : /


Edit! *100th POST BABY!! :muffin: *:aphiusiscrazy: *:dancingcow: *:coolspot: *:banana: *:rainbow: [/b]

[PhilipJFry]

I'm sure a sexy female voice would be VERY relaxing.

Hearing male voices while I try to sleep... a liiiittle creepy :D You know what I mean?

I'm serious. Consider it.

[PhilipJFry]

well look at that! there already is one... heh sorry guys. Downloading...

It's 14 pages so I didn't wanna read it all :P

[Pokle]

Good luck and let's hear what you think once you have tried it out :)

[HoppyPotty]

I find the male voice a bit more powerful. I think the mae works better because it isnt as relaxing and has a better chance into penetrating into the dream, or maybe female oice could be louder. Still these mp3 are AWESOME~! :D

[Thorz]

I am also one of those people who are disturbed by the background sounds. Last night I woke up at about 3:00am and I turned it on with one headphone in one year and I couldnt fall asleep at all because of the way the waves sounded, I would constantly noticed the other sounds besides the waves and I would notice that alot of the waves sound the same, I was not able to fall asleep because of this.

Today I thought I would try to edit the mp3 and make my own. I downloaded audacity and got rid of all the background sounds and made it have no sound for the first 25 minutes, enough time for me to fall asleep and I also made the voices louder. I also recorded myself saying "You are lucid dreaming" but I changed the pitch a little so it didnt sound so much like me. I am going to try it out tonight and see how it works. If you are interested in audacity just type it in google and you can easily find it.

[Placebo]

If you wish to have silence in the beginning, can I suggest a mild white,brown and/or blue noise?
For example, repeat this in the beginning: White, blue and brown noise I use for napping (http://www.placebo.serv.co.za/napnoise.mp3)

Advantages? Very soothing, and cuts out environmental distractions.
Personally, I put it on full volume to prevent distractions, but if it bothers you there's no reason why you can't turn it lower.

And if you don't like it at all, you could simply ignore my advice :)

[Thorz]

That doesnt sound like to bad of an idea. If I dont have good results with what I have just created I will definately add that instead of the soundlessness. Thanks. :D

[PhilipJFry]

I haven't tried this out yet because last night I tried B6 for the first time (I'll post results) but I won't probably try it unless it is changed. I listened to it a few times and... I'll just put it out simply:

Duration: Long enough
Female voice: Very good
Waves: Average (not really soothing, but will do)
Background sounds: Awful

I mean how can you guys fall asleep with such noises in your head? It really creeps me out and I know that voice isn't something to fall asleep to. It's like from some 70s psychotriller/horror movie. I don't mean to insult you guys but I'm just wondering how there are so many people who aren't freaked out by it. I don't know how to call the weird part of the background noise (not the waves) but that is the part you really need to change. I guess it's OK once you already are asleep but it's certainly nothing to fall asleep to. There must be a way to keep the 'integrity' of it while making it more friendly and soothing.

The waves could be replaced with light/hard rain (very soothing!), wind and little birds singing or something like that.

I also had an idea of a lucid dream induction program. It would be based on the stuff posted on this thread but the user could choose the details:

Length
Man or Female voice OR custom .wav file
Beginning point of the voice
Background nature sounds
Other background sounds

Once everything is set up, the program would either export it as a mp3 or you could just play the composition in the program.

It would be hard to create something like this but it would fulfill the needs of... everyone?

[phoenelai]

Feedback appreciated from everyone. I'm no longer modifying this file due to time constraints but it appears that if you have the software and idea people are now making their own which is great. I just wanted to get people interested in audio stimulation since it worked for me so well. I hope that I contributed something special to dream views. And if anyone creates new files and want to share, that would be great.

Thanks All!

:D

[DopeyGuy]

I think this will be useful. =)

I will give it a try.

[shadowcx]

were can i downlaod the firt one version :?:

[HoppyPotty]

Originally posted by cubikdice
Alright everyone you can grab it here :D

http://www.h4x.snipanet.com/LucidRemix.mp3


lazy?

:roll:

[shadowcx]

cubikdice wrote:
Alright everyone you can grab it here

http://www.h4x.snipanet.com/LucidRemix.mp3



lazy?


[/b]

that the remix i want the 1 with the techno

[Miskingo]

I burned a new LD cd and at first I have two zen meditation tracks that i can listen to while falling asleep then this MP3 begins. I find it much easier to sleep with the relaxing music, does this lessen the effect.

[Justin]

I am going to try this one out tonight. I think I am going to burn it onto a CD this time, because last night I tried a different one, and my PC speakers are too far away and I had it pretty low, so I think if I use my CD Player alarm clock, it'll be a lot better, considering its right by my head. :)

[Beansphil]

Can somone repost the link to the mp3. All the links i've tried are dead.

[Axis]

Originally posted by Beansphil
Can somone repost the link to the mp3. All the links i've tried are dead.

You probably know this so please don't have a go at me for this, but some of the sites cut the links off after a certain amount of downloads and or time.


- Axis

[phoenelai]

I've reposted the original LucidRemix.mp3 here on my new server.

http://www.phoensnd.com/LucidRemix.mp3

This was modified because the original ending was voted as distracting. I can always repost the original but it even bugged myself (the creator) and that's bad.

[megabenman]

Thanks for reposting it. It's going straight to my iPod.
But... what reccomended volume % do you have? I usually listen to music in bed at 20%, because it's so quiet, but should I have it higher while sleeping?

[phoenelai]

You'll defintely need to make adjustments throughout the week. When its too low you wont hear it, if its too loud it will wake you up. You'll find the correct volume one day of the week I'm sure. It took me about a week to find the right volume on my mp3 player.

[Torrent]

The lucid mp3's i downloaded were too scary for me to listen to, i feel insecure when i cant hear if somethings happening in my room. I'm also scared of the dark, so losing the only security i have makes me scared. I even tried listening to them during the day, but they make my imagination make horrible things, and im paranoid for the rest of the day.

The sounds creep the hell out of me, and gave me a nightmare before.

Sorry, but those mp3's have made me worse.

[phoenelai]

Yeah, it's funny we get that allot. Some people just think they are too creepy. Understable, and audio triggers in general are not for everyone.

Of course there are great programs you can use like Brain Studio and Brainwave Generator that will give you the frequency / htz of tones and some soothing white noise like waves or rain. Even without the voices they can produce vivid dreams.

For me personally I've listened to much more creepier that my mp3's while going to bed so these are a light walk in the park. And no they dont cause bad dreams, I rarely have them.

[MisterBubbles]

Well your mp3 file has not worked for me so aloha... I will try other induction techniques.

[Xanous]

Any ideas on waking up at 3am without disturbing my wife? I have tried something similar but it was at the begining of my bedtime. I think I was entering WILD though, I had all the classic signs but no SP and I pulled out because it was so scary. Anyway I only tried it a few nights and stopped because I keep reading that you have to wake up early and go back to bed. I tried that one night but my wife got so mad because the alarm woke her up as well. It is at least possible to enter WILD at the begining of sleep? I feel that I have gotten close.

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Xanous
Any ideas on waking up at 3am without disturbing my wife? I have tried something similar but it was at the begining of my bedtime. I think I was entering WILD though, I had all the classic signs but no SP and I pulled out because it was so scary. Anyway I only tried it a few nights and stopped because I keep reading that you have to wake up early and go back to bed. I tried that one night but my wife got so mad because the alarm woke her up as well. It is at least possible to enter WILD at the begining of sleep? I feel that I have gotten close.

I can tell you one reason why it would be a little harder than in the middle of the night. Your first REM period will not come as fast as it would in the middle of your sleep cycle. This can make it difficult simply to dream (not to mention WILD into a Lucid). How about a vibrating watch/silent alarm??? :mrgreen:

[Xanous]

Originally posted by phoenelai
vibrating watch/silent alarm??? :mrgreen:

Yeah I thought of that just after I posted. Do you have any recomemdations? There a so many varieties.

[phoenelai]

This is the one I plant to buy, has good review and the alarm only last for 10 seconds. I heard some are 20 which you cant change and is too long. 10 is the shortest I have found.

http://www.toolsforwellness.com/99758.html

[Glorfindel_III]

Used your MP3 for the first time this morning with a WBTB combo. Had a couple normal dreams and then a Lucid :D Thanks a lot man. And for anyone else that reads this i don't recomend playing it when you first go to bed (I know this has been said) it will most likely make it quite hard to get to sleep/deep sleep.

Thanks again for breaking a little dry spell ^^

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Glorfindel_III
Used your MP3 for the first time this morning with a WBTB combo. Had a couple normal dreams and then a Lucid :D Thanks a lot man. And for anyone else that reads this i don't recomend playing it when you first go to bed (I know this has been said) it will most likely make it quite hard to get to sleep/deep sleep.

Thanks again for breaking a little dry spell ^^

You're welcome :banana:

[Xanous]

Hey I wanted to download that but the link you have is broken. can you give me another way to get that? Have you posted that on any bittorent sites?

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by phoenelai
I've reposted the original LucidRemix.mp3 here on my new server.

http://www.phoensnd.com/LucidRemix.mp3

This was modified because the original ending was voted as distracting. I can always repost the original but it even bugged myself (the creator) and that's bad.

Heres the latest link (new server)

[megabenman]

I created a blank 30 minute AAC file to go before the lucid remix song (which will loop), so I can fall asleep (I can't fall asleep while listening to music). But, if I'm supposed to use it in the middle of the night, would it work if I increased the blank AAC file to say 5 hours (WOW) so the lucid remix song would start during the middle of the night?

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by megabenman
I created a blank 30 minute AAC file to go before the lucid remix song (which will loop), so I can fall asleep (I can't fall asleep while listening to music). But, if I'm supposed to use it in the middle of the night, would it work if I increased the blank AAC file to say 5 hours (WOW) so the lucid remix song would start during the middle of the night?

That would seem to work fine. How huge would the file be with 5 hours space?

I'm working on a better program than your standard computer alarm clock but some of the standards would work for you if you have a computer in your room. I'll keep you posted regarding Lucid Clock 1.0 (Windows)

Cheers!
phoen+ :wink:

[megabenman]

Well.... a 30 minute AAC file was 300 KB. The would mean 5 hours would be.... a little under 3 MB. By comparison my average song file is 3-5 MB.
But, I've decided to set my iPod nano's alarm instead of having a huge blank file on my iPod. Since I've got tons of videos on there my space is precious.

I can't use the program though..... I'm on a mac. A PPC mac, so no windows either.

[phoenelai]

I'm using a mac as well. But its a mac alarm program for OSX.

http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/MP3...k-for-OSX.shtml (http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/MP3-Alarm-Clock-for-OSX.shtml)

Lucid Clock although will be developed for windows unfortunately.

[megabenman]

Ok. Well, now that the nights over.... I can tell you what happened to me. But, instead of creating a huge blank file, I instead set my iPod's alarm clock to play the Lucid Remix song at 8 AM (about 3-4 hours left of sleep). I had my volume at about 20%.

Ok, I went to bed at 2 AM. Yeah I guess it's kinda late, but whatever. So I put my iPod as far away from me as possible, so I don't crush it. I use my big bulky headphones, which have a higher chance of staying in my ears during the course of the night than the apple earbuds.

All is well.... Until I realize I can't sleep. When 6 AM rolls around (yeah, I was lying for 4 hours straight) I think that this is ridiculous. I switch the annoying bulky headphones, and replace them with the apple earbuds. I jam them in my ears. I go back to my bed, and I finally fall asleep at 6:30 AM.

"You are aware that you are dreaming." That is what I hear. I look at my clock at it says 8:02. I look at my iPod and it's about 1 minute 16 seconds into the Lucid Remix song. Thanks to the fact that I'm a light sleeper, even at 20% volume the Lucid Remix song woke me up. Patient, I lower the volume to 15% and set the alarm clock to 9:00 AM. I fall asleep at about 8:40 AM.

"You are aware that you are dreaming." I hear it again. This time I know exactly what's happening. I woke up to the song again at 9:02 AM, exactly at the 1 minute 16 seconds mark. Unhappy, I put my iPod away and fall asleep until 11:30.

So it was a pretty rough night for me, but on the bright side I remembered two dreams during my 6:30-8:02 AM sleep.

[phoenelai]

Thanks for posting. I think most people will find out quickly whether or not audio triggers are too jarring for sleep. For me, that's not the case, they work for me without waking me. I'm audio freak though, I love sounds and tones and generally music. The voices can keep me up on occasion but its rare, its usually just because I'm well rested and i dont require much sleep.


Thanks!

[megabenman]

Well, I'll try setting it to go off at 2 AM tonight (it's a school night, so I'll be in bed long before then). It might be a little early, but for some reason whenever I set my loud noisy alarm clock to anywhere near 2 AM I manage to sleep through it. Guess that's just my ultimate tired time :wink:

[hop_ic]

omg that scared the crap out of me!!!!!! :shock:

[megabenman]

Yeah his voice is scary, when it pops out of no where.

But I tried the thing again last night. Guess what? I couldn't fall asleep. Since it was a school night, at about 5 AM I just figured "Hey, I've got like 2.5 hours left to sleep or else I'm gonna be pretty tired during school." So I turned off the iPod alarm (which was constanatly set to a later time), took the earbuds off and went back to bed. I fell asleep like 10 minutes later.

Now I know the reason. Whenever I am excited, or something big is going to happen, I can't sleep. I was excited that maybe something cool would happen with the song, and as a result I couldn't sleep until I removed the earbuds and was dissapointed. So, maybe if I keep trying the song, I will get dissapointed, and then it will work!

Maybe.

[GoldDragon]

Do you think this would work best with a WBTB? I'm going to give it a shot. Sleep at 10, wake at 4, headphones on, back to sleep, that's my plan.

Cheers, GD

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by GoldDragon
Do you think this would work best with a WBTB? I'm going to give it a shot. Sleep at 10, wake at 4, headphones on, back to sleep, that's my plan.

Cheers, GD


That's exactly why I created it and how I use it. I never created this for begining of the night, that wasnt the reason. Good luck and keep trying, it takes a couple of weeks to adjust but the lucids will start happening.

[Lucifer the Lucid]

I wasn't able to connect to the link to download the newer version of the mp3. It said that the website's name may have changed. Did anyone else have this problem?[/i]

[phoenelai]

Originally posted by Lucifer the Lucid
I wasn't able to connect to the link to download the newer version of the mp3. It said that the website's name may have changed. Did anyone else have this problem?[/i]

This should be the URL:

http://www.phoensnd.com/LucidRemix.mp3