What religion would you NOT follow?

[O'nus]

It came to me in a dream last night:

What values and ethics does a religion you wouldn't follow have? And, is your own religion guilty of that??

Things I thought of were possibly no chance of an afterlife, you're doomed to go to hell, you must kill your first born, etc.

What are some stipulations you would never follow?

[WerBurN]

i would never follow any religion that said anything about hurting anyone...

[wasup]

well... I dont think lust is really a sin.. :lol:

But I think humans are SUPPOSED to make mistakes. That's why I was created. To prove that.

[O'nus]

Originally posted by WerBurN
i would never follow any religion that said anything about hurting anyone...

Does threatening damnation to hell count?

[Maystar]

don't do religion.
i would rather follow my own path, however am always open minded to suggestions and views etc.

it's best to remain flucid, like water, so you never find yourself stuck.

have a very set opinion and you may find yourself open to attack and lose precious time fighting a battle you need not to.

[Lowercase Society]

There is some kind of tibetan religion called the Shites or something...and basically they cannot knowingly hurt ANY living thing, so the brush the ground infront of them when they walk, and watch every movement...that would suck...kill the maggots!

[Berserk Exodus]

Originally posted by Maystar
don't do religion.
i would rather follow my own path, however am always open minded to suggestions and views etc.

it's best to remain flucid, like water, so you never find yourself stuck.

have a very set opinion and you may find yourself open to attack and lose precious time fighting a battle you need not to.

Yes, following your own morality, I agree.

[dougdrums]

I don't want no offend anyone, so don't take it personal...

Aytheist
Mormon
Hare Krishna (spelling?)
Scientology
Wiccan
More or less buddist (spelling?)

Any specific end world teachings. Why? Only the father knows the date.

[dougdrums]

Originally posted by Lowercase Society
There is some kind of tibetan religion called the Shites or something...and basically they cannot knowingly hurt ANY living thing, so the brush the ground infront of them when they walk, and watch every movement...that would suck...kill the maggots!

You could just blindfold yourself, then you wouldn't have a clue!

[nerve]

Originally posted by O'nus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O'nus)</div><!--QuoteBegin-WerBurN
i would never follow any religion that said anything about hurting anyone...

Does threatening damnation to hell count?[/b]

oh my GOD.

[evangel]

Where, where, where?!! :o

Oh.

>What values and ethics does a religion you wouldn't follow have? And, is >your own religion guilty of that??

Values: "self indulgence/self worship." (Satanism and Humanism, among many others...)

As far as I checked, religion cannot be "guilty" of something. PEOPLE or PERSONS can be guilty... There are large ranges of values and beliefs within each "religion" so I would not say "Christianity" or "Islam" or "Paganism" (etc.) is guilty of this or that. Not to mention, such a claim would be loaded... (the only thing they would be "guilty" of is having a different set of beliefs than the accuser).

"Threatening damnation to hell"... If it is true, then no one would be guilty in doing so. (In fact, it would be a good thing for someone to do so) If threatening is done in a heart of certainty regarding judgment, they would be indeed guilty (of assuming God's authority). O'nus: I'm wondering what the relevence of yer avatar is and if there are any ties to a particular religion?

[Berserk Exodus]

I will not follow any religion with boundaries.

[Seeker]

I will not follow any religeon that requires the following of me:

1. To commit intellectual suicide
2. To blindly follow
3. That takes from me my free will
4. That requires me to hate or be cruel to my fellow man

[jacobo]

-imposed morals, values, ethics.
-hate towards any person that doesn't deserve it. (meaning hasn't already proven themselves worthy of a hate of any kind)
-discrimination
-pretty much what seeker, berserk, maystar, and werburn said... i'm waiting for your answer onus... :wink:

[O'nus]

Originally posted by evangel
O'nus: I'm wondering what the relevence of yer avatar is and if there are any ties to a particular religion?

Nope. It is a drawing created by the band "Godspeed You ! Black Emperor" Which solely represents "Hope"

The belief is simply that a majority of religions rely on hope, and that a majority of peoples lives are entirely focused upon hopes and dreams. Good or bad? Depends on the individual.

Just to clarify: I hardly ever express my own views and opinions, and so far, havn't truly done so. I simply propose questions and opinions in the devils advocate manner to perpetuate an interesting conversation; not an arguement.

With that said, I hope no one is offended by my statements.

[A Lost Soul]

Originally posted by dougdrums
I don't want no offend anyone, so don't take it personal...

Aytheist
Mormon
Hare Krishna (spelling?)
Scientology
Wiccan
More or less buddist (spelling?)

Any specific end world teachings. Why? Only the father knows the date.
Except for Christianity, that about covers everyone on the board...

[Seeker]

Except Islam and Judhism

[will.i.am]

I dont believe in any religion.

[ShadowNightWing]

I don't believe in anyone who doesn't believe in the Almighty God.

[Lucius]

Alright, this topic just sucks again( no offense O`nus but), subconsiously everybody is bashing eachother again, screw this we cant talk about religion. We suck.

I dont believe in anybody that bashes/disrespects eachother or aother religion, so there.

[will.i.am]

that hurts Shadow, right here.

*points to heart*

[A Lost Soul]

Yeah, seriously. *sniffle* :cry:

Though I follow my own spiritual path, I believe in everyone and all religions. :)

[Seeker]

Originally posted by O'nus
I simply propose questions and opinions in the devils advocate manner to perpetuate an interesting conversation; not an arguement.

Hmm, and what does that suggest to you?... :D

Sorry, can't resist poking the psychiatrist every now and then!! :D

[ShadowNightWing]

Originally posted by will.i.am+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(will.i.am)</div>that hurts Shadow, right here.

*points to heart*[/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-A Lost Soul
Yeah, seriously. *sniffle*

Yeah you two are right that didn't come out right I apologize if I offended you all Sorry.

[nerve]

I believe in Christ. that's all I believe in. I've accepted Jesus as my Lord and Personal Saviour. when I die, I will go to heaven. that's what I believe. nothing else. if someone believes something different, I don't hate them. I don't dislike them.

[ShadowNightWing]

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP
I believe in Christ. that's all I believe in. I've accepted Jesus as my Lord and Personal Saviour. when I die, I will go to heaven. that's what I believe. nothing else. if someone believes something different, I don't hate them. I don't dislike them.



Reality check: What makes you think you're going to Heaven? You need to try understanding the bible a little more DARLING

[Seeker]

*sigh* I was a member on another forum before coming here. All topics were allowed with the exception of Religion and Politics.

I hope we don't have to do that here as well....

Just remember the One and only Rule:http://dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=535

[ShadowNightWing]

YOu're right I just don't want her to get dissapointed when her times up. Oh actually she wouldn't be I mean you can't have feelings if you're not conscious. You know what when I come back im going to cross reference some things in your bible Paperdoll just to explain to you why you're not going to Heaven. See ya

[Lucius]

Ah cmmon..dont tell that girl shes not going to heaven. Thats just mean >_<. Im not going to give my opinion about wether heaven exists or not..but dont tell a person he/shes not going to heaven and is going to burn in hell, all good hearted, nice, honorable persons go to heaven, or get what they deserve, something good. Wether thats trough heaven or karma..or trough the laws of the cosmos..you get what you deserve, and to tell her she going to hell, thats mean.
Shes not.Im leaving my own religious believe sout fo this right now.
but you go to heaven/receive good thing whatever by being a good hearted person, helping out others, being nice for others, raditating positive energy, respecting others, respecting the planet..etc..not being living strictly by the laws of..god? And certainly by telling others their going to burn in hell.. :cry: , dont be a meanie

[Seeker]

Everyone be at peace.

I would hate to lock this thread. But I will if it continues to degenerate.

Please don't make me do this!

[nerve]

Originally posted by ShadowNightWing
YOu're right I just don't want her to get dissapointed when her times up. Oh actually she wouldn't be I mean you can't have feelings if you're not conscious. You know what when I come back im going to cross reference some things in your bible Paperdoll just to explain to you why you're not going to Heaven. See ya

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

[nerve]

Shadow I'm just going by what the bible says. no one here is angry at you nor does anyone here hate you. you have absolutely no reason to be so hateful. if I believed that only people that have a pet rabbit and eat alot of icecream are going to heaven does it matter? am I hurting you? no. all this hatred and constant anger towards everyone is getting you nowhere, not to mention you are just asking to get banned. I suggest you take a minute to calm down and think about it.

[O'nus]

Originally posted by Lucius
Alright, this topic just sucks again( no offense O`nus but), subconsiously everybody is bashing eachother again, screw this we cant talk about religion. We suck.

I dont believe in anybody that bashes/disrespects eachother or aother religion, so there.

I agree actually..

My impulsiveness in creating this thread disgusts me.

*Hangs head*

[Seeker]

O'nus, impulsive or not, it was a good idea. To bad it degenerated.

:(

[dougdrums]

Well, I'm very sorry if I have offended anyone. I was not trying to push my religion on anyone, or tell them that they were wrong, I was just trying to answer the question.

[dougdrums]

Originally posted by ShadowNightWing
YOu're right I just don't want her to get dissapointed when her times up. Oh actually she wouldn't be I mean you can't have feelings if you're not conscious. You know what when I come back im going to cross reference some things in your bible Paperdoll just to explain to you why you're not going to Heaven. See ya

Not to be argumentitive or such, I'm just curious about why you say this. Explanation?

[Lucius]

Hey O'nus, it wasnt realy your fault, its just that you are a philosofer, and you know how to blend relgion with it. Most relious people can't talk about it without (subconsiously) bashing others. Its just a fact, I can't really either. So dont feel too bad.

[nerve]

I don't bash people even subconsciously!!! er...how would I know? :shock: I mean I don't believe I do...

[Lucius]

lol, everybody does sometimes. You,me, everybody, its just a fact when you talk about religion. Or ethics/values I gues. Its inevitable sometimes.
Though some people just are way worse then others lol (and your not,really)
ah well, as long as it doesnt get too outta control this topic might last..I think..lol, or maybe not.. :P

[nerve]

well I feel...more of a..compassion..a deep friendly feeling toward people of a different religion. honestly.

[Lucius]

Well thats nice to hear ^_^ but with alot of people its diffirent, but some people flip out if somebody says "I don't believe in God", or "I believe in something else" , at some people I wanna yell "Be a little more open minded ok" or "some people have to learn that all (good hearted)relgions are right in the end" but I dont because some people are offended by that.

I would also say "I dislike christians who hate gays" (well now I am) but I dont really do inside, because I respect their religion. Religion and values ar pretty touchy subjects I gues, sadly.

[Lynx]

why doesnt everyone just agree not to take offense if theyre going to talk about this, just dont take it personally. Everyones got a different opinion so dont take offense if it clashes with your point of view, thats just stupid.

[wasup]

goddamnit my posts keep getting deleted












no pun intended...

[Seeker]

Yes!!!! Maybe this thread has turned around!

Way to go guys. Now, can we move on...

I stand by my original statement. I will not support a religion that forces anyone to be supressed or degraded.

It's all about love and compassion. This, in my opinion, should be the core of any belief. Even atheism.

[will.i.am]

Yes Seeker, I agree.

[ShadowNightWing]

I had far to much to write so I created an entirely New thread for this topic. Please take special notice of Do All Good People go to Heaven? There you will find my response, seperate from this thread as to not contravene on Onus' thread.

[Aneas]

Religion is a result of man creating God in his image. I think the Creator said it best with "I AM That I AM".

[CT]

Originally posted by Maystar
don't do religion.
i would rather follow my own path, however am always open minded to suggestions and views etc.

it's best to remain flucid, like water, so you never find yourself stuck.

have a very set opinion and you may find yourself open to attack and lose precious time fighting a battle you need not to.


o/

[Moetrix]

Well, I have done some research and I find Buddhism to be the religion that makes most sense (I am not a Buddhist yet though). Buddhism does'nt set up any strict boundaries apart from not killing anyone or stealing and that sort of basic things. It is also one of the few religions that does'nt in one way or the other encourage violence. Although I do encourage christian people who are calm and peaceful, but the Bible has been changed so much throughout the history by greed for power and wealth, that I would'nt call it a holy book anymore.

[evangel]

I hear that kind of argument about the Bible all the time...

...yet the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts still exist. I am curious as to what part of the Bible has been "changed throughout history"...?

[Seeker]

Oh! Evangel's back! I always look forward to what you have to say!

I guess my take on this is, does it matter if parts of the bible have been changed?

You and I know, it isn't a rule-book telling you how you should and should not live your life.

It is instead, more of a love story. It illuminates the path one should follow in order to live a rich and happy life, now and for eternity.

[evangel]

To me it matters because I believe that it is the divine inspiration of God. To say that it has been changed introduces ideas (myths) of human inspiration rather than divine inspiration which would support the idea that it is just another piece of literature... The original manuscripts are STILL pored over daily by Theologians, Academicians, and others who have produced translations that are as accurate as humanly possible. Do we lose meaning in translation? Of course, but the essentials and the primary teachings still resonate whether the Bible is read in King James English or in Mandarin.

I hear that argument thrown out there a lot, but ususally when people are asked to back up blanket statements, it soon becomes apparent that they don't know in fact, if anything has been changed. They simply assume that it has.

Yes, it's a love story unlike any other!!! Sorry for the tangent. Couldn't let that one slide, though.

[Seeker]

:D Great to know you are still on top of your game! :D

Evangel and Lucius, you guys are the truest to your beliefs!

[Weee-]

I'm where moetrix is, I think buddhism is the best (for me) I've heard about. It has helped me ALOT with a bunch of stuff that could get me REALLY depressed. But I understand them more now. I love Buddhism I have never been this happy. It kicks ass! :D

[LokisBtch]

ATHEISM, BECAUSE IT IS A BELIEF TOO...

[soulshaker67]

I don't think I would want to be in that snake handling church. What do they do about the people who just attend at Christmas and Easter? I mean, these people wouldn't have the faith to handle the rattlesnakes if they just showed up for the holiday services. Maybe the church has garter snakes set aside for those attendees during those occasions.

[GestaltAlteration]

Originally posted by LokisBtch
ATHEISM, BECAUSE IT IS A BELIEF TOO...

Yes it is, but how do you explain how we got here :wink:

you better not say evelution *barfs* some s*** scientists came up with, just look at mount saint Helens...

[Howie]

With religion you have to truely believe what your "beliving" in. So If you don't believe in a religion then that is one you cannot follow.

[DeadToTheWorld]

Originally posted by evangel
I hear that kind of argument about the Bible all the time...

...yet the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts still exist. I am curious as to what part of the Bible has been \"changed throughout history\"...?

i think what they mean is that some parts of the bible were written sometimes hundreds of years after the events it portrays so of course the stories have changed through the decades so i dont think the bible should be considered historically accurate but the important thing is the message it spreads.

Religious hatred comes about because people take sciptures too litelery. The christian, islamic & jewish holy books all contradict themselves so much thats its easy for extremeists to pick out an individual passage and use it to provoke violence. The other day i watched a program called 'The Children Of Abraham' which made me so angry. It shows how jews christians and muslims are so similiar and how the scriptures spread identical messagers apart from some theological differences. It desgusts me what some people have done with these religions. If people could just accept theses differences and realise their all on the same side the world would be such a better place.

Ishrail vs Palestine makes me feel like dying.

[Naruto]

Christianity... Not because I dont believe in God, but because its forced heavily on those who are in the faith...

[Death-Wuad]

religion... as soon as i see a divine light, some angel sitting on my bed, or buddha raiding my refrigerator- then I'll pick a faith and stick with it. but for now im just open minded to whats out there.

[AirRick101]

The problem is, almost all religions are exclusive in saying how their faith is absolute truth. On the contrary, they may be identifying with other religions, but in different interpretation or writing style.

Even if a person stays with a religion, I feel it's best to always be up to questioning, and be "true to thine own self" rather than merely take things on hearsay. Sticking w/ one religion or one church may also be constrained, not that it always is. Also, to become aware that spiritual highs may be placebos (not that they always are) and such. Just some tips for seekers.

BTW, I don't mean to impose any religion whatsoever. :wink:

[GestaltAlteration]

Originally posted by Naruto
Christianity... Not because I dont believe in God, but because its forced heavily on those who are in the faith...

Heh- I too have problems with this, which is why I follow christianity on my own without being all religious.. (or try not to, sometimes its hard due to people bashing christians all the time because they feel like it.. which you dont believe how much that pisses someone off...)

Like I always say just because someone is open minded shouldent mean they should look down upon other "closed minded" people. Somtimes religion is quite the escape from your troubles and fears. (not talking to Naruto) But somthing else I always say, people that are over religious dont realise how much that turns people away, and I see how ridiculous it is. Religion shouldent be expressed for even the bible says praise His name within your own closet, not in the open (being a show off).

[Daeraug]

Originally posted by AirRick101
The problem is, almost all religions are exclusive in saying how their faith is absolute truth. *On the contrary, they may be identifying with other religions, but in different interpretation or writing style. *

While many religions say they are the absolute truth. Wicca beliefs are that you must find your own path, whether it be wiccan or otherwise. The truth of the matter is, if a specific religion isn't working for you, then how are you able to reach out to your deity? Religion must be personal, you must feel that this works for you, then and only then are you able to find a relationship with who ever you believe in.

There is no absolute truth. Just everyone seeking the truth of themselves.

[Gwendolyn]

I dont think god put me on earth to judge others. He put me here to gather specimans to take back to my home planet- Jack Handey

I am actually agnostic. I'm not sure I even believe in God, but I do think that there is some kind of spirit amoung us that connects us all to each other and to the spirit of the earth itself. I am a pretty avid believer in reincarnation. I guess the question is, what would I follow? I would never be a christian. I would be a buddhist(spelling?) if I thought to have a religion. I'm only 16, so I'll have awhile (assuming I live long enough) to figure it out.