Drugs/dream Control

[sweetshoes18]

Does smoking drugs such as pot effect the ability to become lucid? If so, in what ways?

I would assume it would make the process more difficult because of the inablilty to think clearly, but I must say that I think much clearer when under its effects.

[Jlick]

6 out of 12 of my lucid dreams happened on nights in which i was high.

point being, weed doesn't seem to hinder my ability to lucid dream.

[Ev]

Weed doesnt hinder your ability to LD but it does make you more lazy so you are less likely to attempt techniques and just say "whatever... I feel to good to do anything tonight"...

[Pyrox]

Weed doesnt hinder your ability to LD but it does make you more lazy so you are less likely to attempt techniques and just say "whatever... I feel to good to do anything tonight"...
[/b]

Wrong. I have smoked weed since learning about LDs. I have for the last 3 months done techniques ever night, now have a DJ thats 40 pages full of dreams, and have had 1 LD. Every singe night I attempt a WILD, WHILE HIGH and can easily get into SP. I also wake up 3 times a night and write down dreams. And yes, I get VERY high.

Hmmm little exessive, but I've done my work here. :content:

[ojdp]

Marijuana suppresses REM sleep. It also hinders your ability to remember dreams in the morning. That is all I have heard.

That being said, the other night I had a lucid dream (and rememberd everything) while getting very high that night.

Weed doesnt hinder your ability to LD but it does make you more lazy so you are less likely to attempt techniques and just say "whatever... I feel to good to do anything tonight"...[/b]

Useally when I smoke, I can't stop thinking about LDs. I will do constate reality checks, and spend hours just reading lucid dream books. I can't get enough of it when I'm stoned. Maybe thats just me.

[Pyrox]

Useally when I smoke, I can't stop thinking about LDs. I will do constate reality checks, and spend hours just reading lucid dream books. I can't get enough of it when I'm stoned. Maybe thats just me.
[/b]

Same here, I will stay online reading about LDing for hours all the time.

[SeventhGeneration]

i havent gone to bed sober in 10 years.
i still have lucid dreams fine, same with recall.

[sweetshoes18]

i havent gone to bed sober in 10 years.
i still have lucid dreams fine, same with recall.
[/b]


That is ridiculous! I cannot beleive that, lol.


Anyways, It was just a myth I have heared so I thought I would post it... It doesnt effect me either.

[SeventhGeneration]

Ya, it makes sense that it might impair your LD'ing abilities.
But it doesn't thankfully.
I find that I have a higher succesrate if i'm nice and stoned before bed.
I can focus and relax better. Having a WILD my first dream of the night.

[DarthDallas]

I hear that if you go to bed high, the next night, your REM is kicked into overdrive because you didnt get the same ammount of REM when you were going to bed buzzed or w/e. So yeah... also like all my dreams involve me smoking pot which is strange, but It doesnt affect control or anything.

[Ev]

Weed may affect different people differently. I can remember dreams and LD just fine after getting really high. The problem is I become so lazy, the "maintenance" of awareness becomes so pricy that I just let go at some point without clearly recording that loss of awareness. After that I feel too lazy to do techniques if I wake up in the middle of the night cause I feel really good.

An example: I get really high, stay awake for a couple hours thinking, having fun. I get deep thoughts that are supplemented by a kind of dreamy closed eye visuals. After a couple hours I get really tired and go to bed. The imagery intensifies but I'm just too damn tired to keep up with it.

I can remember dreams from "high" nights pretty clear but I rarely bother to write them down or even think about them.

[SeventhGeneration]

Ya. Damn being a lazy stoner. It bites you in the ass somedays.

[Omnis Dei]

Weed make you better at LDing in all areas, it is the best way to become a good LDer, you should all smoke weed if you take LDing seriously.

UNLESS YOU GO TO BED WASHED

[chron911]

:bowdown: Good to know im not the only toker here lol! I find I think about lucid dreaming more when im high

[Wuollet]

Does smoking drugs such as pot effect the ability to become lucid? If so, in what ways?

I would assume it would make the process more difficult because of the inablilty to think clearly, but I must say that I think much clearer when under its effects.
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what ive herd and experienced, if one smokes pot often, you dont remember your dreams as clearly as usual, ive experienced it and some of my friends says it aswell.
but becoming lucid should probably dont be harder or anything what i knoa of.

[SKA]

The thing is. There's 1000nds of Different types of Marijuana.
AK47, bubblegum, White Widow, Super Skunk, White Dynamite, Purple Haze, Colombian, Thai, Northern Lights, Silver Pearl....etc it doesn't stop.

And every type of weed has it's own specific effects. The main Marijuana-high is the same.
For instance smoking good dried White widow weed will make you very euphoric, Give a strong Mind high and Mood lift, And gives a powerfull relaxed Physical ''stoned'' sensation.
Smoking some K2 weed will have very strong ''downing'' depressant effects on you and make you very tired, kind of wasted and lethargic instead of high and euphoric.

I guess Smoking Hash would be the best way to use THC to your Lucid Advantage: It doesn't ''fuck you up kinda'' like some low quality weed sometimes does, It brings a relaxed body/mind high, much more subtle and easy going high.

Hash is therefor a good premeditation aid to get you in a Calm clear state of Mind. Smoking Hash + dried Alsem leafs and buds(Wormwood:Artemisia Absinthium) in a Joint will give you a super aware, very clearminded focussed state of Conciousness: very desirable for meditation...and maybe Lucid Dream Induction too.

Maybe after a little experimenting with the right dosage and time of smoking before sleep, maybe in a WBTB-fashion we can figure out how to let the effects of these mindclearing psychoactives come to their Right properly and use it to induce a desirable focused state of Mind great for Lucid Dreaming.

[Pyrox]

AK47, bubblegum, White Widow, Super Skunk, White Dynamite, Purple Haze, Colombian, Thai, Northern Lights, Silver Pearl, Blueberry Haze, Bizar, Sticky Haze, Harlem Diesel, Cherry Bomb, Super Silver Haze, Stella Blue, White Smurf, Mk-Ultra, Brainstorm, Sweet Tooth, Afganika, Yellow Cab, Ivory, Sege, Desert Storm, Sneek, Twister, K2, Morning Glory, TRAINWRECK. I thought I'd add more.

[sweetshoes18]

I never actully took that into consideration... Thanks for the feedback guys

[Camptzak]

That was how i originally got into this. I had one dream that was not lucid, but so vivid that i remembered the entire thing. I dont view that as a dream i view it as an experience... it was awesome. I was high... really high...

[art vandelay]

for some minority, smoking weed does not hurt thier dream ability.

i smoked at least once a day for year and lost a lot ofprogress in LDing. most people cannot remember thier dreams when they smoke. smoking weed has some effect on sleep and the REM cycle, i believe its called REM rebound or something where it is delayed but then comes on stronger...which may account for why some people seem aided by it. overall, its up to the person. if you find you cant remember your dreams well than stop smoking on days you want to try to LD, it will seriously solve that problem. i have a friend who's smoked constantly for years and he JUST stopped cuz he cant find any and just from hearing me talk about LD's all the time he's accomplishd more than i have in a week. he's amazed at his ability to recall dreams, like its reopened the world of dreams and LD's to him. i find that inspiring.

[Breathe]

Well I went to bed high everyday for around 2 month's, and then I took a break and my dream's were more crazy than usual. I alway's can remember my dream's no matter if I'm high or not. I don't know if it was linked to me not smoking or what my dream's were insane for a couple day's.

[Lars]

Are me and Ev the only non-stoners here?

[Dream Sailor]

for some minority, smoking weed does not hurt thier dream ability.

i smoked at least once a day for year and lost a lot ofprogress in LDing. most people cannot remember thier dreams when they smoke. smoking weed has some effect on sleep and the REM cycle, i believe its called REM rebound or something where it is delayed but then comes on stronger...which may account for why some people seem aided by it. overall, its up to the person. if you find you cant remember your dreams well than stop smoking on days you want to try to LD, it will seriously solve that problem. i have a friend who's smoked constantly for years and he JUST stopped cuz he cant find any and just from hearing me talk about LD's all the time he's accomplishd more than i have in a week. he's amazed at his ability to recall dreams, like its reopened the world of dreams and LD's to him. i find that inspiring.
[/b]

I'll comment here too...

I was a daily smoker for quite some time. I had lost total ability of dream recall. I can't imagine being a strong daily smoker in any way can help, truthfully.

Anyways when I quit smoking, I believe it was that night of less smoke, or the following night, which I had vivid dream recall - and realized what I had been missing all along. I realize everyone is different, but I have a strong feeling if you wait 8+ hours after a high, dream recall should be greater for the average person.

I could do an experiment one of these days since I don't smoke. I could try it say 4 hours before bed and see what happens. Followed by directly before bed as well a few days later. Won't be too soon though, sorry.

[Zilon]

I don't know about drugs, but I've been drunk every night this week (freshers week), and I've had a - short - lucid dream 4/5 of them. I havn't really been doing any RC or MILD/WILD either.

I don't condone getting drunk every night just to lucid dream though.

[Dream Sailor]

Well I smoked the other night (not a smoker anymore except that night) to see if dream recall would suffer. It was some nug about 5 hours before sleep. In my opinion I have roughly 90-95% dream recall every night.

What happened this night?

0 dream recall.

The moral here: Don't smoke pot. You're losing dreams.

They say everyone's different. I'll believe that. I don't however believe that the overall effects of pot on people are different, sorry. You may remember X amount of dreams, but that's still X amount less than what you could be without smoking.

[Lucifer the Lucid]

The moral here is smoking weed=losing dreams??? Come on now you cant base that on one night of smoking. For people who smoke everyday the effects are much different than for someone who only does it occasionly. I get high every night and can almost always recall 3 dreams a night. Marijuana does affect the sleep cycle. Both marijuana and alcohol are REM supressors, but when the drug wears off the user will experience whats called REM Rebound, which are much longer periods of REM sleep. Basically your body is making up for it. I wonder if it could be beneficial to lucid dreaming. I think that since REM will be supressed while the drug is in affect it will only affect the first couple hours at most, possibly supressing the short REM period you would have had. Smoking before you sleep could shift the REM periods toward the end of your sleep, where you recall dreams better and are way more likely to have lucid dreams. Its just a theory, but its based off what I have noticed from my own experiences. There are a lot of variables one has to deal with when you talk about how marijuana or any other drug affects lucid dreaming. One might be less likely to do their MILD exercises before they go to sleep if they are high, but I am the opposite. Like other people mentioned, ill get high and read for hours about lucid dreaming. I get so fascinated because my imagination is enhanced so much. People who arent used to weed probably will have their dream recall hindered, because it will supress the REM of someone who has not built up a tolerance to the drug. It actually surprised me when I read a lot of posts abou drugs, especially marijuana, where people seemed so resolutely against them. I figured there would be a lot more open-minded people on a forum that delves into a topic as deep as lucid dreaming, which is an exploration of our consciousness. Its good to see fellow smokers here who are fascinated by lucid dreaming.

[Gardenhead]

i've found that after smoking or drinking i am way more likely to become lucid that night. my first LD was after an exessive night of smoking

[Dream Sailor]

The moral here is smoking weed=losing dreams??? Come on now you cant base that on one night of smoking. For people who smoke everyday the effects are much different than for someone who only does it occasionly. I get high every night and can almost always recall 3 dreams a night. Marijuana does affect the sleep cycle. Both marijuana and alcohol are REM supressors, but when the drug wears off the user will experience whats called REM Rebound, which are much longer periods of REM sleep. Basically your body is making up for it. I wonder if it could be beneficial to lucid dreaming. I think that since REM will be supressed while the drug is in affect it will only affect the first couple hours at most, possibly supressing the short REM period you would have had. Smoking before you sleep could shift the REM periods toward the end of your sleep, where you recall dreams better and are way more likely to have lucid dreams. Its just a theory, but its based off what I have noticed from my own experiences. There are a lot of variables one has to deal with when you talk about how marijuana or any other drug affects lucid dreaming. One might be less likely to do their MILD exercises before they go to sleep if they are high, but I am the opposite. Like other people mentioned, ill get high and read for hours about lucid dreaming. I get so fascinated because my imagination is enhanced so much. People who arent used to weed probably will have their dream recall hindered, because it will supress the REM of someone who has not built up a tolerance to the drug. It actually surprised me when I read a lot of posts abou drugs, especially marijuana, where people seemed so resolutely against them. I figured there would be a lot more open-minded people on a forum that delves into a topic as deep as lucid dreaming, which is an exploration of our consciousness. Its good to see fellow smokers here who are fascinated by lucid dreaming.
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Not trying to argue here, it's just that I had this discussion with 5 other individuals in a group after reading this topic to derive a somewhat consistant outcome from undividuals. Not only that, but I asked a few other people lately who are all, daily smokers.

I wasn't a one night smoker, either. I was a daily smoker. The fact is that as potheads, we deny the facts that it impairs things we like to do. "Oh but it's soo much cooler when I'm high...yada yada". Yeah we ALL say things like this. The fact is we've become accustomed to getting high, therefore its easier for us to have fun since we no longer have to worry about getting high itself. Like, "accomplished, now what to fill the gap of time?" Once you detach from it for a while, you'll find you have just as much fun reading as you did when high, and recall will tend to be clearer. The fact that you've gotten high, like many, it will be hard to detach from the rememberance, thus it's hard to continue having fun for a while typically for people quitting.

Ahh what the hell am I talking about this here for...you guys hate to read this sort of stuff.

I asked my friends what their dream recall is like as daily smokers. Most of them couldn't recall a dream from the previous days let alone night. As a daily smoker, my recall was gone and I know it. I'd possibly get a hint of a dreams at awakening, only to shortly forget. They would be badly segmented as well.

The actual night I quit, I remember having my first vivid dream in a long time, with no difference in amount slept. In the midst of non-smoking, one night of smoking eliminated any dream recall the next morning. So where is this "tolerance" during the heavy smoking? Non seemed to exist, all the smoking nights felt the same.

Now again, you can easily have dream recall and be a heavy smoker. No one says you can't. The "losing dreams" statement it however near 99% accurate from what I have gathered from not a few people, but nearly every honest individual I've asked. There is almost no way smoking will simply help dream recall, which is a key to lucid dreaming of coarse.

Now on another note, there may just be a possibility for an REM "rebound" phase entered after a period of smoking and then quitting. The problem is the timing of this, as it's certainly not a linear event, if it even truely occurs (instead of a normal REM phase that's remembered).

Now on the note of REM being suppressed during the "felt" short hourly periods therafter, this is not exactly true. The after effects in the body carry out much longer than the felt effects which shortly diminish. The REM suppressed periods may extend anywhere from short 4-5 hours periods up to possibly futher extended 6-12+ hour periods depending on the individual.

And please don't get mad like I'm some anti-pot, throw it all at you sort of responder, as I am certainly not. I just like laying out some facts which some people try to deny with utmost efforts.

[Lucifer the Lucid]

Well it is too bad that you cant enjoy smoking and dreams at the same time, hope that changes for you

[King GEO]

I have smoked nearly every day for the past twelve years, with a few breaks of no more than a week in that time.

I decided at new years to give up cigarettes and weed and I cant beleive how intense and how many dreams I can recall each night.

When I was smoking I would rarely remember a dream a week and if I did it was usually the same dream.

I started a dream journal as of new years and have been making upto 6 entries on a good night and at least one on a poor night.

I guess for me smoking definitely hindered my dreaming capabilities, not to mention my lucid ones.

I miss smoking the weed, I can taste it now, but I feel alot better for it, fresher in the mornings and for the dreams alone it has been worth it, one down side depending on how you look at it is that I can no longer sleep through out the night without waking, I wake at least twice now but hey guess it gives me a chance to write down my dreams.

P.S
One thing I wanted to add was that whilst never having a full blow WILD I came close on many many occasions when smoking weed, maybe it was due to the relaxed state I was in, now I seem to just fall asleep without any H.I or sounds.

[MexicanDreamer]

Last year I was smoking 2 joints every day ( aprox ) , I had 0 dream recall , the day I stopped smoking , 2 months ago , I started dreaming very vividly , and a couple of weeks later I had my first natural LD , then I joined the forum and started reading the methods and my dream recall right now is 1-2 a night with 2-3 lucids a week .
Thats just my experience

[Alisha]

Well, last night I got very stoned, and I had a dream which I recalled quite well. I was being chased (no anxiety though), and I dropped my new chillum. My friend picked it up, who was also being chased. I looked at it and it was broken :'(.

But anyways, my most detailed/longest lucid dream was when I went to bed high. :D