Wild Vivid Dreams-pill

[SKA]

This Topic is for those of us who have some knowledge of herbs, medicine and psycho-active substances.
Especially about their effects. Stimulants(uppers), Psychedelics(trippers), Depressants(downers) and Euphoriants ( there's more but these are the main 4 )

Now here's the Idea:
By the knowledge of what mental/physical effects each herb, plant or substance has what Psycho-Active effects of substances, plants, drugs or herbs you know brings a state of Mind suitable for Lucidity?

The Lucidity State of mind is:
Aware/awake and Concious yet still Dreaming and asleep
Clear yet Dreamy at the same time.
Meditative calm peace of Mind
Contentness

Okay now let's see if we can make a good combination of herbs and substances in a Gelatin capsule, in the right scales and doses, and make you reach somewhat the same effects of Lucidity in dreams as mentioned above. This would be a good State of Mind to take into sleep with you, or in a WBTB fashion.

Now a short List of Psycho-actives I know might help re-create Lucidity:

Alsem (Artemisia Absinthium A.K.A. Wormwood)
Effect:Makes you relaxed physically and mentally too. Yet your head is very calm & Clear. Potentiates Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb
Active substance: Thujone, a complex Psycho-active Oil
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea or in Alcoholic Absinth.
Available @: Any Gardening/Botanical Store at the Herbs Section. Farmers have it too often.

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck :wink: :wink: :wink:

Calea Zacatechichi (Calea DreamHerb, Leaf of God):
Effect: DreamPotentiating, Physically relaxing, Mentally calming, Clearmindedness, Peace and slight Euphoria
Type: Herb
Active Substance: Unknown
Variant: Calea Extract (A purified, stronger form)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb or extract, Tea, Capsules
Available: Online at herbalists, herbalists drugstores, Smartshops (Like Azarius (http://www.azarius.com) )

Mugwort(Artemisia Vulgaris):
Effect: ''Said to be'' Dream Potentiating
Type: Herb, Relative of Wormwood
Active Substance: Believed to be Thujone amongst other yet unknown things, but in much lower levels than found in Wormwood.
Variants: Glowsticks of Mugwort used in Chinese Bowel Treatments.
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea, putting it under your Pillow.
Available: At any herbal shop, Online, at Chinese Herbal shops.

Magic Psilocybin Mushrooms:
Effect: Psychedelic, Hallucinogenic, Euphoric, HUGEly potentiates Imagination, brings one in a sort of wake/dreaming state, Closed eye visuals, color, time and space distortions, Philosophical state of Mind.
Type: Mushroom, Fungi
Active Substance: Mainly Psilocybin & Psilocin
Variant: dried smokable mushrooms for mild effects
Ingestion: Eating, Tea, alternatively: Smoking
Available: At smartshops like Azarius (http://www.azarius.com) ) and out there in Nature.
NOTE: It's said that very small doses of Magic mushrooms, or other psychedelic trytamines, can, while having hardly any effect on you while awake, greatly potentiate your dreams.



I was thinking, which of these, and more, herbs can I add together in a Gelatine capsule and weigh out in JUST the right dosage and scale to make their combined synergistic effect a Suitable one for Lucid Dreaming.
Besides Pills, one can also experiment with Herbal mixture Joints and Herbal mixture tea.

Kind of like trying to attain what feels most like the ''Lucid'' Feeling while awake with psycho-active herbs and substances. And then we could take those effects with us into our sleep&dreams.

Any Suggestions from you people here as for herbs or substances to add that might help attaining ''waking lucididty''?

[OmnipotentTitan]

This Topic is for those of us who have some knowledge of herbs, medicine and psycho-active substances.
Especially about their effects. Stimulants(uppers), Psychedelics(trippers), Depressants(downers) and Euphoriants ( there's more but these are the main 4 )

Now here's the Idea:
By the knowledge of what mental/physical effects each herb, plant or substance has what Psycho-Active effects of substances, plants, drugs or herbs you know brings a state of Mind suitable for Lucidity?

The Lucidity State of mind is:
Aware/awake and Concious yet still Dreaming and asleep
Clear yet Dreamy at the same time.
Meditative calm peace of Mind
Contentness

Okay now let's see if we can make a good combination of herbs and substances in a Gelatin capsule, in the right scales and doses, and make you reach somewhat the same effects of Lucidity in dreams as mentioned above. This would be a good State of Mind to take into sleep with you, or in a WBTB fashion.

Now a short List of Psycho-actives I know might help re-create Lucidity:

Alsem (Artemisia Absinthium A.K.A. Wormwood)
Effect:Makes you relaxed physically and mentally too. Yet your head is very calm & Clear. Potentiates Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb
Active substance: Thujone, a complex Psycho-active Oil
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea or in Alcoholic Absinth.
Available @: Any Gardening/Botanical Store at the Herbs Section. Farmers have it too often.

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck :wink: :wink: :wink:

Calea Zacatechichi (Calea DreamHerb, Leaf of God):
Effect: DreamPotentiating, Physically relaxing, Mentally calming, Clearmindedness, Peace and slight Euphoria
Type: Herb
Active Substance: Unknown
Variant: Calea Extract (A purified, stronger form)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb or extract, Tea, Capsules
Available: Online at herbalists, herbalists drugstores, Smartshops (Like Azarius (http://www.azarius.com) )

Mugwort(Artemisia Vulgaris):
Effect: ''Said to be'' Dream Potentiating
Type: Herb, Relative of Wormwood
Active Substance: Believed to be Thujone amongst other yet unknown things, but in much lower levels than found in Wormwood.
Variants: Glowsticks of Mugwort used in Chinese Bowel Treatments.
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea, putting it under your Pillow.
Available: At any herbal shop, Online, at Chinese Herbal shops.

Magic Psilocybin Mushrooms:
Effect: Psychedelic, Hallucinogenic, Euphoric, HUGEly potentiates Imagination, brings one in a sort of wake/dreaming state, Closed eye visuals, color, time and space distortions, Philosophical state of Mind.
Type: Mushroom, Fungi
Active Substance: Mainly Psilocybin & Psilocin
Variant: dried smokable mushrooms for mild effects
Ingestion: Eating, Tea, alternatively: Smoking
Available: At smartshops like Azarius (http://www.azarius.com) ) and out there in Nature.
NOTE: It's said that very small doses of Magic mushrooms, or other psychedelic trytamines, can, while having hardly any effect on you while awake, greatly potentiate your dreams.
I was thinking, which of these, and more, herbs can I add together in a Gelatine capsule and weigh out in JUST the right dosage and scale to make their combined synergistic effect a Suitable one for Lucid Dreaming.
Besides Pills, one can also experiment with Herbal mixture Joints and Herbal mixture tea.

Kind of like trying to attain what feels most like the ''Lucid'' Feeling while awake with psycho-active herbs and substances. And then we could take those effects with us into our sleep&dreams.

Any Suggestions from you people here as for herbs or substances to add that might help attaining ''waking lucididty''?
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I dunno if you can make it into a pill because people react differently to each substance, for example person A might hardly feel weed but get tripped off half a gram of shrooms, while person B might take a toke and be flat on his ass and then eat 3 grams of shrooms and barely feel much.

how would you know wich ones you need tho ?

[Lars]

Alsem (Artemisia Absinthium A.K.A. Wormwood)[/b]

I named my sub-consious absinth.

[SKA]

I named my sub-consious absinth.
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And why is that? I have often smoked dried and chopped Artemisia Absinthium leaf and buds and found that, especially when rolled into a joint with a little bit of good hashis, ir makes me very relaxed and Clearminded. It really calms my Mind.

In fact I have the Green Feary Plant right in my Backyard. I've cut it up once and it split into alot of different stems. It now has many large stems rich of leafs and flowering buds. I think if it's ready for harvesting; when the buds are the biggest, I'll end up with about 100grams of dried Herb if I dry and chop it up.

There is a Psycho-Active Oil substance in Wormwood called Thujone, that is Moleculairly very similar to THC (weed's psycho-active) I'm going to put 2/3 of my dried&chopped Wormwood harvest into a big jar filled with Ethanol Alcohol. I'm going to leave it in there for a couple of days, shaking it every now and then. Then after the Thujone is fully extracted from all the Wormwood Plantmaterial you can filter it all through a piece of cloth, a T-shirt will do, and discard the Thujone-less plant material. The residing Ethanol-Thujone mixture I will put in a pan on a stove with VERY LITTLE heat and all windows open. Slowly the Ethanol alcohol will vaporise into the air and in the pan will be a gummy residue: That is pure Thujone.

I've read on erowid about this and I am going to try extracting the Thujone from my own Wormwood plant to get optimal potency. I'll be experimenting with capsules, teas and smokes made from the Thujone-extract.

[phoenelai]

And why is that? I have often smoked dried and chopped Artemisia Absinthium leaf and buds and found that, especially when rolled into a joint with a little bit of good hashis, ir makes me very relaxed and Clearminded. It really calms my Mind.

In fact I have the Green Feary Plant right in my Backyard. I've cut it up once and it split into alot of different stems. It now has many large stems rich of leafs and flowering buds. I think if it's ready for harvesting; when the buds are the biggest, I'll end up with about 100grams of dried Herb if I dry and chop it up.

There is a Psycho-Active Oil substance in Wormwood called Thujone, that is Moleculairly very similar to THC (weed's psycho-active) I'm going to put 2/3 of my dried&chopped Wormwood harvest into a big jar filled with Ethanol Alcohol. I'm going to leave it in there for a couple of days, shaking it every now and then. Then after the Thujone is fully extracted from all the Wormwood Plantmaterial you can filter it all through a piece of cloth, a T-shirt will do, and discard the Thujone-less plant material. The residing Ethanol-Thujone mixture I will put in a pan on a stove with VERY LITTLE heat and all windows open. Slowly the Ethanol alcohol will vaporise into the air and in the pan will be a gummy residue: That is pure Thujone.

I've read on erowid about this and I am going to try extracting the Thujone from my own Wormwood plant to get optimal potency. I'll be experimenting with capsules, teas and smokes made from the Thujone-extract.
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My ABSINTH is Vick's Formula 44D!

[SKA]

I dunno if you can make it into a pill because people react differently to each substance, for example person A might hardly feel weed but get tripped off half a gram of shrooms, while person B might take a toke and be flat on his ass and then eat 3 grams of shrooms and barely feel much.

how would you know wich ones you need tho ?
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well IF you're going to experiment with Mushrooms & Lucid Dreaming then I STRONGLY suggest that you're someone that already does mushrooms & such every now and then already. People who do things like mushrooms every now and then should know what the perfect dose for them is. I know mine, along with my favorite Kind of Mushroom: Roughly estimated 2/3 of 10grams of Hawaiian Copelandia Cyanescens Mushrooms is enough for a very visual, Hallucinogenic yet relaxed and layed back, euphoric trip. if i take JUST that extra 1/3th of shrooms I found out that it trips me JUST a bit too hard. It's a bit too confusing to consciously experience and enjoy the Trip that way for me.

I guess everyone who does Psychedelics such as Mushrooms knows his or her personal relation between dosage & effects. It indeed DOES differ from person to person.


My ABSINTH is Vick's Formula 44D!
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What? o_Õ Explain if it might be usefull information.

Absinth, in my Opinion, is a Waste of the Fine and Subtle effects of Wormwood since the alcohol effect seriously overrules the wormwood effect. Might as well drink stro Rum or Goldstrike.

I'm interrested in the effects of Wormwood Alone. And wormwood, like Mugwort, contains Thujone.
So I'm interrested in wether or not the extracted purer version of Thujone may give an even stronger clearminded/slightly psychedelic/calmness-effect than what I have smoked thusfar: Dried Wormwood leafs and buds.

If I have all ingredients to do the extraction I'll get right to it. And I'll do a series of Thujone-sessions: smoking, tea and Sublingual ingestion. And I'm going to carefully write down the (duration of)effects and possible changes in State of Awareness/Consciousness in my blocknote.

From my experience with the herb alone I know it has got potential to be a good Lucid Aid. Lucidity = Clearmindedness. So a little finetuning with the effects of this herb and it's extracted form might do miracles for Lucid Dreaming. Happy experimenting.

Anyone else here with Wormwood Experience? Tell me what you found the effects to be. Also mention how you ingested it(Smoking, Tea, Sublingual, Capsule..etc), what you ingested (Wormwood fresh herb, dried or extracted Thujone from Wormwood) and how much you ingested.

[OmnipotentTitan]

well IF you're going to experiment with Mushrooms & Lucid Dreaming then I STRONGLY suggest that you're someone that already does mushrooms & such every now and then already. People who do things like mushrooms every now and then should know what the perfect dose for them is. I know mine, along with my favorite Kind of Mushroom: Roughly estimated 2/3 of 10grams of Hawaiian Copelandia Cyanescens Mushrooms is enough for a very visual, Hallucinogenic yet relaxed and layed back, euphoric trip. if i take JUST that extra 1/3th of shrooms I found out that it trips me JUST a bit too hard. It's a bit too confusing to consciously experience and enjoy the Trip that way for me.

I guess everyone who does Psychedelics such as Mushrooms knows his or her personal relation between dosage & effects. It indeed DOES differ from person to person.

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thats my point tho, if you make a pill that contains all of them then it would be very hard to get just enough of each substance and not 2 much of others.

[Pyrox]

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck :wink: :wink: :wink:

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:pissed:

[Lars]

I named it absinth because it is an unusual name, and is associated with hallucination, which I link with lucid dreaming (in my mind)

And... I had also just watched Eurotrip :D

[SKA]

(8)Don't tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know Scotty doesn't know! (8)
Whahah EuroTrip, man that must have SERIOUSLY been one of the funniest damn movies I've ever seen :D
Man I really LOVE Matt Daimon's role in it :D


LMFAO @ Pyrox. You DID notice the Triple Wink didn't you? :wink: They don't call it weed for no reason. It grows easily, Fast and hardly anywhere. So if people wanna smoke Ganja, wherever in this world full of Ignorance and Fear of what Marijuana actually is, the just smoke it because it's obtainable everywhere basically. Too bad that all around the world it was Criminalised, made Illegal and thought to be a drug in the same row as Heroin, Cocaine and Speed or whatever. Maybe where you live you can get Marijuana as a Prescription medication: Helps great against Chronic pain and Hyperactivity. I myself have ADHD and I'm considering consultinmg my Psychiatrist about getting me medicational Marijuana. I've found it does miracles for Calming down my Chaotic mind and allowing me to focus/learn much easier.


thats my point tho, if you make a pill that contains all of them then it would be very hard to get just enough of each substance and not 2 much of others.
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Yeah I know, that's where Trial and Error should be able to help me figure out the exact doses of each substace. Try again, but this time with more Wormwood. Didn't work? Try again but this time with more Mugwort. Didn't work right? well youb get the point of experimenting. Try try try try and try again and everytime write down the results.
And if it doesn't fit into 1 Gelatin Capsule you can always take 2 or 3.

But first I want to know a couple of substances that are really KNOWN to STIMULATE/potentiate and prolong REM-leep. Calea is one of those herbs. So that's ingredient number 1. Now I also need something to make you rather clearminded (For more Conscious, hopefully Lucid Dreams) and I thought it'd have to be a SMALL amount of Hashis and some Wormwood.

So basically I'm looking for herbs with an effect that would come close to ''Lucid'' when they are combined.
Cuz Lucid mainly is:
-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening: Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne?)
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts: Hashis, Wormwood?)
-Complete Sleep Paralysis (Hashis and Marijuana might help that, allthough too much will supress REM-sleep)

C'mon people think with me.

[tai]

I've been taking melatonin caps before bed for about three weeks, and it definitiely makes dreams very vivid and increases recall. Not 100% sure about how it affects Lucidity though.

I had my first proper WILD taking melatonin in combination with B6, but this may have been a coincidence. When doing WBTB, I find the melatonin makes me very groggy when waking up, so I don’t know if its actually helping with mental alertness.

I have not found any conclusive information about melatonin on this site (please link if you have one :content: ).

SKA, was wondering if you've tried melatonin and what you think about it in terms of Lucidity?

[SKA]

SKA, was wondering if you've tried melatonin and what you think about it in terms of Lucidity?
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Actually I had Melatonin as a prescription Med. But indeed it made me fall into a way deeper comatic sleep than usual. It whiped out my dreamrecall for years so I stopped taking them. I had 3 MG pills. Still have them and I only occasionally take them to Experiment with them o n Lucid Dreaming. But so far I have only noticed Negative Results on Dream Recall and Lucidity with Melatonin.


Perhaps I could ''tamper'' with the natural prduction of Melatonin in my Brains. As long as the eyes register daylight your brain will send signals to your Pineal Gland to inhibit Melatonin production. Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

I noticed that sitting in the dark for about an hour before I go to bed helps me get really sleepy: Stimulates natural Melatonin production. Perhaps I could use just the right levels of light, length of spending long amounts of time in the light/dark to regulate my natural Melatonin production.

But as for an Ingredient of the Vivid-Dreaming pill it wouldn't do any good to the best of my knowledge. And I had been taking Melatonin for years.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Actually I had Melatonin as a prescription Med. But indeed it made me fall into a way deeper comatic sleep than usual. It whiped out my dreamrecall for years so I stopped taking them. I had 3 MG pills. Still have them and I only occasionally take them to Experiment with them o n Lucid Dreaming. But so far I have only noticed Negative Results on Dream Recall and Lucidity with Melatonin.
Perhaps I could ''tamper'' with the natural prduction of Melatonin in my Brains. As long as the eyes register daylight your brain will send signals to your Pineal Gland to inhibit Melatonin production. Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

I noticed that sitting in the dark for about an hour before I go to bed helps me get really sleepy: Stimulates natural Melatonin production. Perhaps I could use just the right levels of light, length of spending long amounts of time in the light/dark to regulate my natural Melatonin production.

But as for an Ingredient of the Vivid-Dreaming pill it wouldn't do any good to the best of my knowledge. And I had been taking Melatonin for years.
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ephedrine will keep your mind awake.

[SKA]

ephedrine will keep your mind awake.
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Ephedrine as in PseudoEphedra, a substance found in Plants?
I also know Ephedra but that is what is known here as Cheap XTC. It basically races your heart. I believe it was a Derivative of Ephedrine from the plant.

But thanks. I'll list all of it here.
Okay here are the 3 desired effects I wish to combine:

-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening)
* Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne, Ephedrine, Calea Zacatechichi Dreamherb
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts)
*SMALL amounts of Hashis, Wormwood, Earl Grey Tea
-Complete Sleep Paralysis:Numbing/Relaxing the Body to be able to ''sink away deeply'' fast
*Small amounts of Weed, SMALL amounts of Alcohol and other Depressants: Too much will supress REM-sleep

Okay now you guys can help me add more herbs, substances and other supplements to each of those 3 cathegories let's make a long long list of them all.
When we've got quite a list the Experimenting can start. I'll be the Guinny Pig :wink:

[OmnipotentTitan]

Ephedrine as in PseudoEphedra, a substance found in Plants?
I also know Ephedra but that is what is known here as Cheap XTC. It basically races your heart. I believe it was a Derivative of Ephedrine from the plant.

But thanks. I'll list all of it here.
Okay here are the 3 desired effects I wish to combine:

-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening)
* Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne, Ephedrine, Calea Zacatechichi Dreamherb
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts)
*SMALL amounts of Hashis, Wormwood, Earl Grey Tea
-Complete Sleep Paralysis:Numbing/Relaxing the Body to be able to ''sink away deeply'' fast
*Small amounts of Weed, SMALL amounts of Alcohol and other Depressants: Too much will supress REM-sleep

Okay now you guys can help me add more herbs, substances and other supplements to each of those 3 cathegories let's make a long long list of them all.
When we've got quite a list the Experimenting can start. I'll be the Guinny Pig :wink:
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how do you know what you need more of, start with a few first and add more later :D

[SKA]

how do you know what you need more of, start with a few first and add more later :D
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Exactly. Trial and Error. I could try to take Melatonin AND Ephedrine stuffed in 1 gelatin capsule to recreate somewhat Lucid Circumstances: Sleepyness & Wakefullness at the same time. I can try starting with 1 MiliGram of each and then dosing up each by 1 or 0,5 extra miligram.

For the same sleepyness and Wakefullness -feeling I've aslo been thinking of using Kratom herb, which is said to have the effects of chewing on Coca Leafs (Stimulant, Clearminded wakefullness) while smoking Opium (Sleepyness, Dreamy). Kratom however is a pretty harmless asian herb and is widely available in herb stores and smartshops. chinese herbalists might have it too.


So I might check if I can buy some Ephedrine at my Favourite smartshop. I can also get Kratom herb there. I've still got Melatonin and B6 lying around the house.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Exactly. Trial and Error. I could try to take Melatonin AND Ephedrine stuffed in 1 gelatin capsule to recreate somewhat Lucid Circumstances: Sleepyness & Wakefullness at the same time. I can try starting with 1 MiliGram of each and then dosing up each by 1 or 0,5 extra miligram.

For the same sleepyness and Wakefullness -feeling I've aslo been thinking of using Kratom herb, which is said to have the effects of chewing on Coca Leafs (Stimulant, Clearminded wakefullness) while smoking Opium (Sleepyness, Dreamy). Kratom however is a pretty harmless asian herb and is widely available in herb stores and smartshops. chinese herbalists might have it too.
So I might check if I can buy some Ephedrine at my Favourite smartshop. I can also get Kratom herb there. I've still got Melatonin and B6 lying around the house.
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keep us updated :bigteeth:

[tai]

Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

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Your life sounds great! :wink:

Thanks for the reply.

[SKA]

Well tonight I'm doing a Herbal experiment.

I smoked a Joint with Hops and Weed at 22:00
I had 2 sandwitches with Peanutbutter + Chocolate Sprinkles at 22:30
I started drinking a tea made from Grean Tea+Ginseng+Valerian at 22:50 and I finished it at 22:59
I took 2 Vitamin B-Complex pills at 22:52
Also I took one 3 MiliGram pill Melatonin at 22:52
I smoked 1 cigarette at 22:54

Now I'm going to take a leak and then go to sleep. I wonder if these Herbs + B-complex vitamins will affect my Dreams tonight.
I'll keep my Dream Journal right next to my bed together with a pen.

I'll post the results here tomorrow.

[DuB]

I don't see how pot could be conducive to lucidity... when I'm stoned I can't focus for sh*t. Even if I could manage to become lucid, I'd probably just forget that I was dreaming after like 10 seconds.

[blade5x]

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck :wink: :wink: :wink:
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:finger:

Will be intersting to see your results from the others ones, I might be interested to try some of them.

[SKA]

I don't see how pot could be conducive to lucidity... when I'm stoned I can't focus for sh*t. Even if I could manage to become lucid, I'd probably just forget that I was dreaming after like 10 seconds.
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Actually, in my case, my thoughtprocess is very chaotic and spontanious. It sometimes makes it hard for me to concentrate without being distracted by an inner thought. Also I'm easily distracted by external stimuli.
When I smoke pot my thought process seems to calm down to a nice clearminded stream of tyhoughts. In this calmed condition I find it much easier to focus on things, reading material, TV-programs, Drawing...ect concentration is much better then.

however if I smoke it right before going to sleep it makes me sleep topo deep. that's why I stop smoking weed early in the evening.

Too bad that the Hops/Weed joints I smoked earlier made me ZONK off into a waaaay deep sleep leaving me with no dreamrecall at all this morning. The weed also was very good, strong weed so it might have kinda knocked me out.

Now it DID all really physically and mentally relax me. Mainly by the Valerian's effects I guess.
Tonight I will not smoke any weed or hops.
I will drink a cup of Ginseng/Valerian Tea with some Eastern Mint added from my garden.
Then I'll take 1 Vitamin B-complex pill and see what it does for my Dreams and Sleep.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Actually, in my case, my thoughtprocess is very chaotic and spontanious. It sometimes makes it hard for me to concentrate without being distracted by an inner thought. Also I'm easily distracted by external stimuli.
When I smoke pot my thought process seems to calm down to a nice clearminded stream of tyhoughts. In this calmed condition I find it much easier to focus on things, reading material, TV-programs, Drawing...ect concentration is much better then.

however if I smoke it right before going to sleep it makes me sleep topo deep. that's why I stop smoking weed early in the evening.

Too bad that the Hops/Weed joints I smoked earlier made me ZONK off into a waaaay deep sleep leaving me with no dreamrecall at all this morning. The weed also was very good, strong weed so it might have kinda knocked me out.

Now it DID all really physically and mentally relax me. Mainly by the Valerian's effects I guess.
Tonight I will not smoke any weed or hops.
I will drink a cup of Ginseng/Valerian Tea with some Eastern Mint added from my garden.
Then I'll take 1 Vitamin B-complex pill and see what it does for my Dreams and Sleep.
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dont place too much impotance on B vitamins, I've taken a strong b complex 3 times daily before and I cant recall having any extra dreams during that period.

[OmnipotentTitan]

any updats on the project ?

[Dream Sailor]

any updats on the project ?
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From what I've gathered (and the seemingly apparent general consensus)...there is no magic dream pill (too much public divience). The magic helpers are generally stimulants which you can sleep on. And not generally recommended health-wise.

[Jimmie Lynne]

Ephedrine taken in quantities exceeding 100mg (I'm not sure what the likely effects of taking less would be as I've never done it) does cause very vivid and long lasting dreams, the stimulant properties of the medication also seem to make it difficult to enter a deep sleep, prolonging the amount of time you're likely to spend in REM. Unfortunately this drug has been banned in the USA by the FDA and I have no personal experience with it's less stimulating counter part psuedoephedrine. Just thought I'd add my two cents.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Ephedrine taken in quantities exceeding 100mg (I'm not sure what the likely effects of taking less would be as I've never done it) does cause very vivid and long lasting dreams, the stimulant properties of the medication also seem to make it difficult to enter a deep sleep, prolonging the amount of time you're likely to spend in REM. Unfortunately this drug has been banned in the USA by the FDA and I have no personal experience with it's less stimulating counter part psuedoephedrine. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
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hmm, i havent taken more than 48grams at a time, and i dont think thats very good for the heart :shock:

[Jimmie Lynne]

it probably isn't. . . that's why the medication was banned by the FDA. It was causing some pretty nasty side effects.

The recommended dose was usually 50mg. . . the maximum daily dose was 150mg. I'm not a doctor and I don't recommend anyone take a drug that the FDA has deemed unsuitable. I just wanted to toss my two cents in regarding this herbal supplement.

[OmnipotentTitan]

it probably isn't. . . that's why the medication was banned by the FDA. It was causing some pretty nasty side effects.

The recommended dose was usually 50mg. . . the maximum daily dose was 150mg. I'm not a doctor and I don't recommend anyone take a drug that the FDA has deemed unsuitable. I just wanted to toss my two cents in regarding this herbal supplement.
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oh i definitely aint against it, and its good that its not fully banned ;) sometimes health should stop you from pursuing some things, thats all. :bigteeth:

[davidsusername]

ive read in a few different places that dxm can induce lucid dreaming but theres no proof that those sites are reliable and dxm is not something to be taken lightly

[Jimmie Lynne]

I tried some dxm back in the day (it wasn't called dxm back, then it was just robo-tripping. . . cause you get dxm out of robbitussin cough syryp ) and I've slept on it but it didn't induce lucid dreaming. . . from what I remember of it, dxm makes you very very stupid. . . so much so that you might not even be able to tell if you're awake let alone asleep . . . it makes you so unaware of your surroundings I would think it would make it much harder to LD as well. . . plus it's hard to keep a train of thought so it would increase the likelihood of you forgeting you're dreaming. . . It also messes with your time perception so laying in bed trying to sleep for 10 minutes could feel like hours. . .

Just a few reasons why I wouldn't try it. . . oh and also dxm makes people throw up very frequently even with the required pint of orange juice you need to fix the ph balance of your stomach.

[DuB]

oh and also dxm makes people throw up very frequently even with the required pint of orange juice you need to fix the ph balance of your stomach.[/b]Um, that stuff about fixing the pH balance of your stomach is pure baloney. In all of my research and personal experience with DXM I have never heard of such a thing. I've also personally never seen anyone vomit after taking DXM (although I've read that it does have a tendency to happen sometimes), so it was probably all that orange juice that made you and your friends puke so much :wink:. Who told you that anyway?

I would also like to add that I agree with your stance on DXM not being conducive to lucid dreaming. That sounds even more ridiculous to me :roll:.

[davidsusername]

if you take alot of dxm or tussin whatever you want to call it then it will make you throw up, and no it doesnt seem like it would help with lucid dreaming but ive read it on multiple websites wether they are reliable or not i dont know

[Jimmie Lynne]

Um, that stuff about fixing the pH balance of your stomach is pure baloney. In all of my research and personal experience with DXM I have never heard of such a thing. I've also personally never seen anyone vomit after taking DXM (although I've read that it does have a tendency to happen sometimes), so it was probably all that orange juice that made you and your friends puke so much :wink:. Who told you that anyway?

I would also like to add that I agree with your stance on DXM not being conducive to lucid dreaming. That sounds even more ridiculous to me :roll:.
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I'm not a chemistry major but it has to do with the base/acid content of your stomach . . . dxm is a base which means it is alkaline, your stomach is an acidic environment. Acids and bases cancel each other out and you get a ph balance close to that of water, neither a base nor an acid. (like when trying to add chlorine to a pool. . . it doesn't take much to throw the whole thing out of whack) If you disturb the acidity of your stomach too much . . . well. . . it gets pissed and you vomit. That is why people throw up when they take dxm and that is why you should drink orange juice. Orange juice is acidic. . . and it restores the natural ph balance of your stomach.

[davidsusername]

orange juice it is then if i ever get enough courage to try dxm again, last time at first i was morphing into my friends stripped shirt but then my friend started freakin out which caused me to freak out and it seemed like time would slow down to where seconds became minutes, it was terrible

[OmnipotentTitan]

there are way stronger otc drugs now anyways.

[davidsusername]

oh i gotcha now

[OmnipotentTitan]

i say mushrooms only :bigteeth:

[SKA]

Small update:

last night I swallowed 5 Vitamin B-complex pills around 03:30 and went to sleep some 10 minutes later. I don't know how long it took me to actually fall asleep but it seemed like well over an hour.

I woke up remembering 1 part of my last dream very vividly: it was a pretty sexually driven dream in which I had sex with someone I didn't know in Waking Life. Little snippets of previous dreams lingered around but only that particulair scene stayed with me as I woke up. I found myself waking up very slowly and gradually too.

SO, I might try and do this again, but not tonight, to be sure it was or wasn't the Bcomplex that was responsible for the rather vivid and well remembered dream.

Also I would like to try ingesting about 4 or 5 Bcomplex pills in combination with another Psycho-active substance that has a positive effect on your Memory and Overall Clearity/awareness of Dreams.

Any suggestions as to what I shall combine with Vitamin B-complex pills just prior to sleep? Anyone?



And just another Idea I had. You might know www.erowid.org It's a site that gives you about as much information about almost ANY drug or Psycho-active, from Caffeïne to MDMA, from Mushrooms to DMT and Salvia Divinorum..etc It tells you basically everything: Laws, possible Healthrisks/addictionrisks, Toxicity, Moleculair structure, Chemistry, effects, Experience and Trip Reports...etc

Now I was tthinking: What If WE, as a BIG site devoted to Lucid Dreaming, could CONTACT the Administrators of Erowid.org we could ask them if they would like to work together with us in a Project I have for now called ''Dream Works''. A sort of Section in their site to which this site is linked, that discusses all sorts of psycho-active compounds, Smarts(Like vitamins N such) and herbs that may assist in altering and affecting nightly Dreams and Sleep, with an eye out for Lucid Dreams.
There's alot of people experimenting on Erowid, Mushrooms + MDMA, LSD + DMT..crazy people. But I also noticed that some tried to achieve Lucid or Vivid Dreams by Means of B-vitamins, Herbs and Plant-extracts..etc. That drew my interrest and inspired me for this Idea.

Would 't be a handy Section of Erowid? Dream Works, where people from all over the world experiment with Psycho-actives in the Field of Dreaming. Well I guess the Admins of this site would have to agree first. So I'll wait for one of them to respond to this.



PS: About there being much stronger drugs than OCT drugs: dude I know, just look below my avatar and see in what ''drug-rotten'' country I live ;) I reckon that Magic Mushrooms take you waaaay further than XTCpills. Don't know about DXM, wanted to try it but haven't yet: I know it is a depressant with Supposed Psychedelic effects, but I also know all depressants are Dream Killers. Fun? Maybe. Good for Lucidity? NO. hell no. And since I live in this Drug Rotten Country anyways, I have just ordered 10 grams of Yopo Seeds which are about a 100 flat brown seeds that contain high doses of 3 different variations of DMT: NN,DMT, 5MeO-DMT and 5HO-DMT (a.k.a. Bufotenin/''TripToad''Venom) and appearantly doesn't need extraction for effectiveness. I'm going to make STRANGE popcorn out of them, ground that up and smoke it as soon as I get my package delivered.You can also SNIFF it, but I'm not a great fan of sniffing stuff. But I might try anywhoo to see about the effects that has and wether it's different than smoked Topo seeds in effects. It's said to HURT like hell on your Nose, and in both the case of smoking & snorting, to induce Nausae. In that case I'll be filling a bucket, emptying my stomach: better to puke that not to and to feel nausious during the entire experience. I'll have to find out. Wish me luck:P

I'll surely share the experience and experiments here in the Psychedelic Experience Topic I made in the Extended Discussion Board. :)

[davidsusername]

a little off topic but this post seems more fitting than any of the others ive seen, has anyone else noticed that when you smoke weed the hypnogagnic imagery right before you go to sleep is really intense and very beautiful, might just be me but its really cool

[Pyrox]

a little off topic but this post seems more fitting than any of the others ive seen, has anyone else noticed that when you smoke weed the hypnogagnic imagery right before you go to sleep is really intense and very beautiful, might just be me but its really cool
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It happens to me too. But when I see the colors, it's more than just that. I feel my body moving, and pulsing with the colors. One time I layed down after smoking some really good chronic and I felt like I was spinning with the colors. Very weird, but it seems like it won't help when you WILD. I usually get too wrapped up in the images that come, and loose consciencness.

[SKA]

It happens to me too. But when I see the colors, it's more than just that. I feel my body moving, and pulsing with the colors. One time I layed down after smoking some really good chronic and I felt like I was spinning with the colors. Very weird, but it seems like it won't help when you WILD. I usually get too wrapped up in the images that come, and loose consciencness.
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Yeah Marijuana is a Great herb to help increase Visual Imagination. But it's also a Depressant and it surpresses REM-sleep. So it wouldn't do any good when it comes to Dreaming.

I was more thinking about a Combination of Vitamin B-complex + Ginkgo Biloba. Ginkgo Biloba seems to positively affect The Memory and the Attention Focusing ability. I guess that would be a desirable effect to go to sleep with, Have very Conscious&Aware Dreams and wake up Recaling your Dreams.

[SKA]

Okay Big update:

Today I was Downtown and I went into this Herbal Shop to look for Ginkgo Biloba: A tree which it's leaves contain substances that seem to potentiate the bloodflow of the brain, Improve Memory and Concentration: Effects I thought would be helpfull while Attempting WILD or other Lucid Dream Induction Methods. Just to get you in a good Mindset to start with.

And I found it so I bought a bottle of Ginkgo Biloba Pills. 60 pills of 120 miligrams each. The dayly recommendation is 1 pill a day. I'm going to try and take 1 right before I fall asleep as my First Experiment with it. I think I've kind of got to doodle around with the Duration of effects and The Time from falling asleep to passing into the Dreamstate. If I could finetune the time of Ginkgo Biloba intake so that I know the effects of Ginkgo will ''peak''exactly as I pass into the REM-sleep, DreamState then I guess it would help my DreamRecalla and perhaps my overall awareness.

I also bought a bottle of some stuff called DL-Fenylalanine which is supposed to improve your concentration: Some effects that may be handy as an aid while attempting WILD. To concentrate and stay aware.
I'm going to do some experiemnting with these + Sleeping to see if I can synchronize the Desired effects of the Ginkgo and the DL-Fenylalanine with my REM Dreaming time.


First experiment:
1 Ginkgo Biloba Pill of 120 miligrams right before going to sleep. I hope it results in better dream recall and Clearer more aware dreams. I will post results tomorrow.

[SKA]

Okay resultys were:
I remembered 1 part of the dream. Can't tell if Ginkgo helped my Dream Recall cuz sometimes I wont remember any dreams in the morning and sometimes I do remember 1 (scene of a) dream. But that's abut it. So I cannot tell YET.

What I remembered dreaming was quite a Sensual/sexual Dream again. I remember laying in bed and this extremely gorgeous girl started messing around with me while I was still half asleep(in the dream) and it was extremely exciting. Yunno when you get the hots for a person in waking life and you're making out and becomming sexually and sensually close. That feeling only ''exagerated'' X 10 in my Dream. Dreams always seem to mimic and exagerate feelings & situations of waking life. kind of Dramatize reality.

So I must say. If the ginkgo worked it would have been responsible for my short vivid dream, allthough I remembered it very vaguely. the feeeling lingered and it was very intense.

I'm going to take Ginkgo Biloba again tonight. 1 Pill. But I'm wondering if I should do it the same way as I did yesterday. Take it some 30 mins/an hour before going to sleep. Or wether I should take it in a WBTB-way.

[DuB]

Concerning Ginkgo Biloba:
I just wanted to say that I took ginkgo standardized extract daily (60mg * 3 times a day = 180 mg/day) for about six months and I never noticed much difference in dreams or dream recall. To be honest, I didn't notice much effect whatsoever. This doesn't mean it wasn't doing anything, but it should be noted that ginkgo isn't anything like a miracle herb. Some other relevant ginkgo facts: They say that you have to take it daily for at least 2 months before you start to notice any effects from it.
It is dispensed very rapidly into your bloodstream- it "peaks" about 15 minutes after ingestion (on an empty or near-empty stomach), and then it has a half-life of about 3 hours in your system. For this reason, it's recommended to take ginkgo with a meal to extend it's duration.

[SKA]

Concerning Ginkgo Biloba:
I just wanted to say that I took ginkgo standardized extract daily (60mg * 3 times a day = 180 mg/day) for about six months and I never noticed much difference in dreams or dream recall. To be honest, I didn't notice much effect whatsoever. This doesn't mean it wasn't doing anything, but it should be noted that ginkgo isn't anything like a miracle herb. Some other relevant ginkgo facts: They say that you have to take it daily for at least 2 months before you start to notice any effects from it.
It is dispensed very rapidly into your bloodstream- it "peaks" about 15 minutes after ingestion (on an empty or near-empty stomach), and then it has a half-life of about 3 hours in your system. For this reason, it's recommended to take ginkgo with a meal to extend it's duration.[/b]

Yeah I know Ginkgo works on the Long Term. I've only taken it twice now. But could it be that besides the Long term effects there are also some Immediate effects? It's also supposed to increase bloodflow, especially in the Brain. And if it's true what you say about the quick onset of it's subtle ''effects'' then I am going to try this in a WBTB way. Maybe I'll take my Ginkgo Pill after having slept deeply for about 5 hours and then waking myself up with my cellphone alarm, take the pill and go back to sleep.

All the while I'll continue taking Ginkgo pills, 1 a day after dinner time as is suggested on the bottle, and see what it does for my DreamRecall and DreamVividness/Clearity.

[DuB]

But could it be that besides the Long term effects there are also some Immediate effects?[/b]Yeah, I'm sure it does have some immediate effect. After all, I've read cases where taking WAY more than the recommended amount at once induced seizures in some people. So it's not completely inert- just mild.

It would probably be most useful in a WBTB situation, as you say. Perhaps taken with some dark chocolate.

[braha_kahn]

Haven't read the whole thread but this one hasn't been mentioned yet:

Ilex guayusa

Ilex guayusa is a tree of the holly genus, native to the Ecuadorian Amazon Rainforest. It is a distant relative of both Yerba Mate and Yaupon Holly, used to make the black drink. The leaves have the highest caffeine content of any known plant.

The leaves are boiled to produce a tea; due to the high caffeine content, the same leaves are often used multiple times, sometimes for several days. Fresh leaves are used as well as dried leaves, which are dried in rolls and strung together as a wreath resembling a Hawaiian lei.

In addition to the stimulant effects, the tea is used to enhance dream recall. To achieve this effect, it is believed that the tea must be drunk consistently in the early morning, just after waking, before the sunrise. For many Ecuadorian indigenous, the morning drinking of guayusa is a social ritual.

In areas in which it grows, it is also a common admixture to the powerful entheogenic brew ayahuasca; it is added both in addition to the more common DMT containing plants as well as in the place of them. According to the Ecuadorian indigenous, it is also slightly hallucinogenic on its own, when drunk in high enough quantities.[/b]

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_guayusa

Erythroxylum catuaba (Catuaba)

Erythroxylum catuaba is a tree, native to south-America and related to the coca-plant. While little-known in the West, the tree is most famous in Brazil because of belief in its aphrodisiac properties. Indigenous people, like the Tupi in Brazil, have used the plant for generations, mainly because of it's famous aphrodisiacal properties. Preparing it as a tea, they claim it produces an immediate lifting of mood and libido. Long-term use of Catuaba is reported to stimulate erotic dreams and enhance sexual experience. In addition, catuabe is known as a general tonic and fortifier and stimulant of the nervous system. Some research on its antiviral and antibacterial properties, but research data are still scarce.[/b]

source: http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/produc...category_search (http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/product_info.phtml/herbid_100/category_search)

Silene capensis (African Dream Root)

This sacred plant which is used by shamans of the verdant river valleys of the eastern cape province of South Africa, has the ability to induce remarkably vivid dreams. 'This obscure flowering species is regarded by shamans of the South African region as a type of 'Ubulawu' or medicinal root that they call 'Undela Ziimhlophe,' which translates literally as 'White paths' or 'White ways.' It is suspected that this sacred plant's oneirongenic, or dream-inducing activity is likely due to triterpenoid saponins contained within its roots. Relatively small amounts of root (250 mg range) are reported to be active. The plant exerts only minimal alterations in waking consciousness, yet the effects upon the dream state can be profound.'[/b]

source: http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/produc...category_search (http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/product_info.phtml/herbid_060/category_search)

Entada rheedii (African Dream Herb)

The seeds of this large woody climber are frequently washed up on the beaches of the east coast of southern Africa which is why they are sometimes called Sea Beans. It is a large creeper growing in most forests in central Mozambique and naturally occurs from near Durban northwards throughout tropical Africa and into India, Asia and Australia.

The extraordinarily large seeds are carried or worn on necklaces and pendants as lucky charms, but tobacco made from this seed has been used for ages to help induce vivid dreaming.

The large bean like seeds are carried and worn on necklaces and pendants as lucky charms. Tobacco made from the seed has been reported to cause vivid dreaming. The seeds have various medicinal uses, including topical applications in an ointment for the treatment of jaundice.[/b]

source: http://psychoactiveherbs.com/catalog/produ...products_id=435 (http://psychoactiveherbs.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=435)

I can not confirm if these plants work cause I don't have any of them except Guayusa. I've tried Guayusa only once and the circumstances were definitly not good lol... Perhaps one day I can eloborate on it's effects after experimenting with it!

Sorry if some have been posted before

[SKA]

thanks a bunch. I've heard of the last 2 Dream Enhancers you mentioned. I actually opened a Topic about Entada Rheedii. I have not yet been able to find a Dutch Smartshop/headshop that sells Silene capensis. It would be better for me to find a Dutch supplier so I don't have to pay rediculously hight shipping costs.

As for Entada Rheedii: My favourite Smartshop Azarius sells these beans. however they are not in stock ATM so I'll receive an Email once they are supplied with these beans again. As soon as I receive an Email that these Beans are available I will order 4 or more of them.

And thanks for the Source too. very helpfull.

[braha_kahn]

maya-ethnobotanicals is dutch and a lot cheaper and better then Azarius!

[SKA]

maya-ethnobotanicals is dutch and a lot cheaper and better then Azarius!
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Really? I love this country more and more every day :content:
I'll be checking out, ordering and experimenting with these Dream-Enhancing hers and post my results here as I experience them to keel y'all informed.

[SKA]

Hey Braha_Kahn. Maya Ethnobotanicals.com IS alot cheaper in products than Azarius.
The only thing that sucks about them is this:

Originally posted by ''maya-ethnobotanicals.com
Order Page 2 Help?
We're sorry but the minimum total order is $40. Please go back and try and order something more before returning.
If you need to raise the total by just a few dollars, we suggest you visit the incense section and order some of our beautiful incense woods and resins.

If the $40 minimum order is a real problem, please get in touch and we`ll see what we can do.

N

I guess it's only cheaper when you were planning to buy ALOT of herbs and psychedelics at once anywayz. Up to $40,- of herbs namely. I cannot order just Yopo Seeds and some dried Ilex Guayusa herb for €10,70. Very Cheap innit?

[hydroPWNic]

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif
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Lol, lets just say i'm living in the US and i'm not 'out of luck' when it comes to Marijuana. ;)