I Was Awake...

[really]

Ok, it was weird I'll tell you that. Even though these experiences aren't rare, I just thought I'd bring it up.

Yeah, so I woke up, and my dream kept going! It was strange because I was awake and eventually (really) walking around my room, looking at the time-everything was normal. The only thing that was unusual was the fact that I was still dreaming. There was only something different about it: When I gradually became more aware that I was dreaming and awake (after about ten minutes), I could no longer literally see the dream (in front of my eyes), but it kept going, and it felt like I could do nothing but constantly imagine it (see it in head-unclear). I would call it one of those repetaive dreams, where nothing new actually happens, it just keeps repeating itself...

And that's where I have a question: Anyone know why I couldn't become lucid!? I mean, I was aware that I was dreaming, and I was still awake!

[megabenman]

That sounds like vivid HI, a crappy False Awakening, or a NREM dream.

[really]

:D Crappy false awakening...nope, I swear I was awake.

It's like when a song get's stuck in your head, only this was a short repetative dream that got stuck.

And it wasn't vivid at all, eventually the images would fade away to nothing, and I would be left with the (constant) feeling it gave. Some people have experience this, though they probably stayed in bed...

[Lars]

Will someone please explain to me what "HI" is, I've asked about 20 people and no one will answer me!

[Pyrox]

Hey I get this ALL OF THE TIME.

Even this morning I got it. I was looking around my room telling my GF that there is no door, meaning it's an illusion. But yes I was awake.

I always get stuck in half-dream states while my eyes are open. I don't think you could, or would want to be lucid while your eyes are open though.

[really]

Hey I get this ALL OF THE TIME.

Even this morning I got it. I was looking around my room telling my GF that there is no door, meaning it's an illusion. But yes I was awake.

I always get stuck in half-dream states while my eyes are open. I don't think you could, or would want to be lucid while your eyes are open though.
[/b]

Whoa, I never get it in the morning when I wake up, probably really early in the morning though, like 4am. This has happened about five times in my life. And yeah, I guess you wouldn't want an LD while awake anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lars @ Sep 17 2006, 12:03 PM)</div>
Will someone please explain to me what "HI" is, I've asked about 20 people and no one will answer me!
[/b]

L-O-L Even after you asked that question, neither Pyrox or Follower didn't answer! :D

Ok, HI stands for Hypnagogic Imagery (not sure about spelling). It's the images and waves of colors you see when going to sleep. You might be able to notice the images if you do WILDs a little more, but you can always see the colors (I do anyway) washing over your eyes when you're deeply relaxed. Takes a bit of practice to see HI more fluently, but it's always there whether your conscience or not. When you go to sleep, the HI forms into a dream.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Follower @ Sep 17 2006, 01:11 PM)</div>
Guys, do you sleep far less than you should? HI with your eyes open usually happen when you seriously, seriously lack sleep. Even full hallucinations might happen, including the phenomenon of vivid false memory (happened to me, and that was scary).
Maybe you shouldn't force yourself to awaken fully, but lie down to sleep? I might be bistaken, of course, but all of that sounds like you either didn't sleep enough for one day or regularly aren't sleeping enough hours per day.
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This rarely happens with me, and I think I went to bed really late that night when it happened. Nevertheless, I mostly sleep from 10:15-11:30pm to 6:30am.

So tell me about "vivid false memory". :)

[Pyrox]

L-O-L Even after you asked that question, neither Pyrox or Follower didn't answer! :D

[/b]

I was too lazy to look up the correct spelling of the word. :oops:

[really]

I was too lazy to look up the correct spelling of the word. :oops:
[/b]

So was I, actually I think I read somewhere that it's 'Hypnologic'?

[Pyrox]

So was I, actually I think I read somewhere that it's 'Hypnologic'?
[/b]
I think there is 2 ways of spelling it. One which is just patterns, and one which is full animation. But oh well maybe I'll stumble apon the true spelling sometime.

[DuB]

It's hypnagogic - as in hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia)

[really]

Thanks alot! Cool.

[Leo Volont]

Ok, it was weird I'll tell you that. Even though these experiences aren't rare, I just thought I'd bring it up.

Yeah, so I woke up, and my dream kept going! It was strange because I was awake and eventually (really) walking around my room, looking at the time-everything was normal. The only thing that was unusual was the fact that I was still dreaming. There was only something different about it: When I gradually became more aware that I was dreaming and awake (after about ten minutes), I could no longer literally see the dream (in front of my eyes), but it kept going, and it felt like I could do nothing but constantly imagine it (see it in head-unclear). I would call it one of those repetaive dreams, where nothing new actually happens, it just keeps repeating itself...

And that's where I have a question: Anyone know why I couldn't become lucid!? I mean, I was aware that I was dreaming, and I was still awake!
[/b]

Well, just because you know you are hearing voices, doesn't mean you can make them stop.

You are talking about something approaching the dimensions of a mental disorder. While your judgement is left intact, you have subjective material impinging into your normal conscious perceptual and thought faculties.

Being able to say "this is not really happening" if a very important distinction, and should be sufficient to keep them from locking you up.

But perhaps your problem here is that you have a very sluggish constitution. You say you are awake, but not really quite enough to threshold up into complete inimpinged waking consciousness. Slap yourself in the face. Splash up some cold water. Have a bracing cup of coffee.

Now, again, on why you could not become Lucid. Lucidity is to bring our Waking Persona into our Dreams. It is the complete First Person "I" experience. In ordinary Dreaming it is our Dreaming Persona that does all of the experiencing, and the best that can be said there is that upon awakening we can remember this Dream Persona Experience. From the perspective of the Dream Persona, the Dreaming Experience is normalized, all of the actions, events, situations of the Dream, as different from the Waking World as could possibly be, do not matter to the Dream Persona -- this is its World and it is quite accepting of it.

so when you were Awake and you were still tuned into a Dream, it was your Dream Persona that was functioning in the Dream. You were able to remember the details to some small extent, but you were not present sufficiently to summon the entirety of Waking Consciousness to the Dream. How could you. You were awake! You could not be in two places simultaneously, could you?

[Amethyst Star]

Are there any feelings that accompany this experience? You mentioned that after a time everything just fades out and I'm thinking that it is at least akin to a false awakening. Whenever I become lucid, actually, the first thing that happens is everything starts to fade to black and I have to focus to keep myself in the dream. I usually get the feeling or at least the belief that I am going to wake up.

I'm not going to judge whether this is what was happening, but is it possible that you were, in fact, still dreaming? FAs can be very convincing.

And briefly, there's a difference between hypnogogic and hypnopompic imagery. Hypnogogic imagery is what one might expect to experience when falling asleep, or even going into a deep daydream. Hypnopompic imagery, on the other hand, is usually what one experiences when awake or waking up. Sometimes this imagery will extend past the time that you are dreaming and not dissipate until after waking up.

[really]

Yeah, :D hypnopompic-I laughed at the word! It's probably that.

Well I wasn't hearing voices, I just repeatedly kept thinking about something...

Okay, from the beginning:

I was dreaming it asleep quite fine, then I slowly was gaining conscience
and awoke (slowly). I realised that I was scratching at a constant rythm, which I believed inflicted these thoughts (as they too, were repetative). When I was fully awake, after about five minutes or so, I got up out of bed, stopped scratching, ignored my dream thoughts, looked out the window, rubbed my face a bit, looked a the time, and then got back into bed. I was sure I was awake.

I woke up normally. Trust me I've heard of these stories everywhere, not everyone I know is mental! :D

[Like A Bird Without Arms]

Something kind of like that has happened to me once a couple of years ago.

I was having a nightmare and I jolted out of sleep and ran to turn on the light in my room because, well, I was young and scared. To my horror, the dream somehow kept going and every time I blinked I saw it progressing, which led me to try to blink as little as possible. :P

[TheNocturnalGent]

:D Crappy false awakening...nope, I swear I was awake.

It's like when a song get's stuck in your head, only this was a short repetative dream that got stuck.

And it wasn't vivid at all, eventually the images would fade away to nothing, and I would be left with the (constant) feeling it gave. Some people have experience this, though they probably stayed in bed...
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Yea, that happens to me when i take too many sleeping pills. I keep coming back to the same point in a dream over and over agian but im awake and just have my eyes closed, but i cant let it go. REALLY F*CKING ANNOYING.

[really]

Yes I know how you feel! It's really irritating...

Is there ANYONE OUT THERE who knows how to, metaphorically, kick these feelings away? :D

[Chaos Psyche]

You can be in 3 places at once. I have been aware of my room, the bed I was laying on. The whole dreamscape. The person's body I inhibited in the dream.

Technically, you can be everywhere at once in your dream.

[really]

Whoa! Semi-sub-well-conscience? Complex possibility I must admit, that. Must have felt weird...

[WaaayOutThere]

I know what you mean... I've experienced all of the above. I've had the looping dream thing before, but I've noticed it is usually when I am sick. Even just something minor can set it off. If I'm really bad sick, I'll have delirium. But I hate the looping dream!!! It is just the same thing over and over, and if you don't feel bad to begin with it tends to make you feel bad. I usually get up if I can wake up, and don't go back to sleep. I'll get a cup of tea or something, wrap up in a blanket and watch TV to give my mind something else to think about.
I have also had the 'dream won't turn off' thing too. Once I dreamed I had woken up and giant spiders were crawling on my ceiling. I came to with a jerk and when I sat up in bed, I could still see the spiders on the ceiling!! It was freaking me out cause then I thought they might be real! I leapt out of bed and hit the lightswitch, and they faded like mist. It was weird watching them disappear.
When I get tired, I hallucinate terribly!!! It is worst when I'm driving. I'll see people or animals walk out into the road. I'll hit my brakes and there won't be anything there...

[really]

Now THAT sounds a little too intense, I mean seeing stuff even when your driving...does that always happen when you're tired?

[Miskingo]

Now THAT sounds a little too intense, I mean seeing stuff even when your driving...does that always happen when you're tired?
[/b]

Once when I was bed ridden by the flu and thrown off of sleep schdules this happened. It might be because I watched "Alice in wonderland" before sleeping :roll: but never the less it was pretty strange. I had strong hypnogagia a few months ago when I wasn't able to sleep for a while and I remember sitting there looking at the floor and I spaced out and sand began to form and before I knew it I was sitting in the desert and it felt so real (temperature, sounds etc.).

[•Neko•]

You can be in 3 places at once. I have been aware of my room, the bed I was laying on. The whole dreamscape. The person's body I inhibited in the dream.

Technically, you can be everywhere at once in your dream.
[/b]

Something similar happened to me once, although I was only in 2 places. I could see my room and my bed, and at the same time, I could see where my LD had stopped. :shock: