My Fild

[skuruza]

Here is my technique which works 100% for me!!


Go to sleep.

wake up in any REM period

do not move, exept for turning off your alarm.

start moving your fingers.

breathe through your nose rc NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! even if you know you are not in a dream, you MUST do the RC. i cannot stress thispoint enough. BREATHE THROUGH YOUR NOSE RCNO MATTER WHAT!!!



[size=4]THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS MY TECHNIQUE THAT WORKS FOR ME ALWAYS!![size=4]

enjoy! :)

[FreeOne]

when do we do the rc? 10 sec after 1 min after 5 min?

[gonnabeathinker]

You do the reality check 20 or 30 seconds after.

[eggbert]

Questions: How is this any different than regular FILD, whats the big deal about breathing through your nose prior to the RC, how do you keep from falling asleep before 20 seconds (HARD TO DO), and can you try this again after failing the first RC?

hehe thanks

[skuruza]

Questions: How is this any different than regular FILD, whats the big deal about breathing through your nose prior to the RC, how do you keep from falling asleep before 20 seconds (HARD TO DO), and can you try this again after failing the first RC?

hehe thanks
[/b]

it is different because in the normal fild, you wake up and stay up, and then it is very hard to cath=ch the moment to move your fingers. here, you do it anyway.


the RC is breathing through your nose.(when its pinched, of course. thought it was common knowledge...)

you just somehow stay concious, al least i do.

yes you can try it, but after another REM period.


here is what i do, in detail:

wake up, silence the alarm.

move fingers.

RC after what seems like 5 seconds.

be happy because of a good dream.

[FreeOne]

do you move your fingers alot or a little. sorry if its a dumb question but ive heard both answers so...yeah lol

[skuruza]

i moe them the slightest bit.

[FreeOne]

aight thanks ill try it! (once i get rid of this cold :roll: )

[lespaulsRcoo]

About how many hours after you go to sleep is your fourth rem period? and in what ways do you move your finger?

[skuruza]

you move your fingers like yoyu are pressing 2 keys on a piano, but ever so slightly.

[hydroPWNic]

And the fourth REM period is around how many minutes/hours?

[skuruza]

it varies from person to person. usually- the first REM-10 mins+90 mins+20 mins+90mins+45mins+80 mins

[really]

it varies from person to person. usually- the first REM-10 mins+90 mins+20 mins+90mins+45mins+80 mins
[/b]

? I can't stress that enough!

[skuruza]

wa????

[JDreamer]

Hes saying your post about the REM cycles makes no sense. Which it doesn't cause if you add up all the times you get 335 minutes which is 5 hours 35 minutes. I think the REM cycle is around 90 minutes right? Although yeah it's different for everyone.

[zxc]

What does moving your fingers do? Are you supposed to go into the dream without even noticing?

[skuruza]

yes you go into it without noticing.

to answer yout 1st question, ZenVortex has to say this: "FILD is a very important technique. Here's why. The portion of the brain called the cerebellum is responsible for all muscular movement. When we fall asleep, it switches off (so we don't physically enact our dreams) and takes on a new function, which is to store dream memories. That is why when we awake, we can stimulate dream recall by moving something such as an arm or a leg -- or a finger. By moving the finger while falling asleep, it appears that we keep a small section of the cerbellum active, which is enough to trigger lucidity.
"

[skuruza]

any sucess yet?

[zxc]

I tried this, but I just fell asleep. I did some RCs while I was doing the finger movements but I wasn't dreaming.

[Armageddon_Heaven]

I gave your trick a shot.
I woke up at around 4, did the Reality Check and stuff, and
I gently tapped my fingers, as if I was playing the piano.
That that finger got tired, so I went on to another finger, then another, and another, then I switched hands, and did more fingers...

By the time I did every finger, I was still awake and I was too tired to go on.
Ironically, about 10 seconds after I stopped moving my fingers, I fell asleep =P,
Then I dreamt that I was in a field with critters and butterflies ^_^, it was a cute dream, lol.

[skuruza]

you did it a little wrong. you gotta move two fingers like you are pressing 2 piano keys. for like 5 or 6 movements, then i am asleep. you move them very slightly, almost in your mind.

[eggbert]

I think I might give this another try, and even if I'm still awake after 5-6
movements I can then try WILD.

How many times out of how many attempts has this technique worked
for you?

[zxc]

I tried this, but I just fell asleep. How do you keep them moving and fall asleep at the same time?

[skuruza]

this has worked for me every time except 2 times, and that was only because i thoughti was awake and didnt do the RC when i was really asleep.

did you do the RC?

i dont know how. i move them ever so slightly, almost as if i was just stinking that i was moving them.

oh maybe i know:you wake up too much when you silence alarm clock. try to make it so that you are facing your alarm so you just open your eyes so little that you can look where to press, reach over using minimal effort and then do the rest.

[zxc]

My alarm clock is about 5 feet away from me.

[skuruza]

me thinks thats too far. try to make that like 5 inches. it would help, coz if its so far you gotta get up longer and wake up more.

[WinryRockbell]

This sounds likea good idea,although from hearing about everybody who has tryed it, it seems a little confusing....but if you say it works i'll try.

[ALovelyWay2Burn]

I'm going to attempt this again tonight. It seems easy enough to remember what to do after you wake up. I'll post again tomorrow with the results.

[skuruza]

oh and you can also wake up in the 1st
REM period. i just wake up later because i cannot hear my alarm if its early.

[LucidDreamGod]

Alright I did this last night instead of VILD which I thought about doing, and I guess it works, but I lost lucidity soon after, well success rate right now is 1/1.

[skuruza]

thats good!

say, does anybody know where i can getthe loudest most obnoxious alarm? i cant do it lately because my alarm doesnt wake me up. it never wakes me up not in the morning either...

[Klace]

I tried this last night, I had one LD with the method, I wasn't fully Lucid and I didn't have complete control but it was induced by the Finger Movement method, weather I was doing them in a dream or not, because the RC was Sucessfull.
I think I was on the verge of a second, I felt a falling sensation like I was going super fast, and it got really intense and I just woke up, I knew if I didn't do that I probably would've had a second LD.
This one works but I didn't have a really Vivid LD.

[skuruza]

increase vividness by spinning or rubbing hands

[Klace]

Will do.
Another thing I did is put the blanket over my head when I do this, so that when I become Lucid, I can say when I take it off, I'll be wherever I want, is that a good idea?
Or could the sudden transition take me away from Lucidity?

[skuruza]

its an okidea,of course here are a ton f ideas about where to be. for example yo can make a teleport.

[eggbert]

Uh, maybe you should fix your original post to say "DO NOSE RC NO MATTER WHAT" Instead of "BREATH THROUGH YOUR NOSE NO MATTER WHAT" which is actually kind of confusing. Um, I do believe with the normal FILD you are supposed to go right back to sleep. Do you ever feel the transition? I'll give it a try tonight.

[Klace]

I didn't feel the transition from waking to dream, I think that's what the RC is for.
And try this tonight, It should work 100% if you do it right

[skuruza]

i never feel anything. i do RC, i am lik woo yay im in a dream. then i get teleported to a dream world.

[eggbert]

What is the longest you've stayed awake before successfully doing this?

[skuruza]

3 seconds

[Hargarts]

skuruza, this is exactly the same as the original FILD tech.
I'm glad to hear it works for you!

[Belladonna]

Hello, I am a "newbie" here. I am cruising the forum trying to feel my way around. I found your topic very interesting. As I have said before in a few posts. I have done this on my own due to saving my own sanity. So it is freaking my out that you guys have all these guidelines, moving a certain number of fingers or not, doing a reality check by only breathing through the nose and so forth. What if I do it differently, does this mean that I am doing it wrong? Or is it that you guys jsut provide a general field guideline for others that seems to simple work; yet, there are those of us, meaning me that have our own technique that works and it isn't wrong? Did that make any since? I don't know, I am nervous unbelievably, because I have yet made contact with anyone on the boards yet. No one has said hi. I feel like I am in a new school trying to feel myself around the play ground. Anyhow, I was just wondering about all of this thank you!

[Bonsay]

Hi Belladonna,
Welcome to the forums. :welcome:

Yes they are just guidelines, it really (probably) doesn't matter how many fingers you're moving or for how long, they are just telling us what worked for them and how exactly they did it. If you are doing it another way and if it works, I don't see a reason to change it :) . There mostly is no right and wrong here, because it is a dream forum afterall and dreams differ from person to person.

See you around!

[Belladonna]

thanks for the shout out! Though our dreams differ, I see a pattern here for most on how to achieve their highest potential, I am hoping through understatnding and patience I can achieve my highest levels of LD and all that other jazz. I seriously need to figure this vocabulary “glossary” out, I have a printout as a cheat sheet. I haven’t yet got my own goodies placed underneath each word yet. I have decided that I should place at least once experience underneath each word definition so I know what I have done and what I have yet achieved. This is hard when I have made up my own glossary for everything. Its all good though, again thanks for the welcome. I hope do this right. :)

[Mr_Fire]

Yes, I think I will try this tonight as well. Might just work for me. :)

[funkstrman]

Hello, I am a "newbie" here. I am cruising the forum trying to feel my way around. I found your topic very interesting. As I have said before in a few posts. I have done this on my own due to saving my own sanity. So it is freaking my out that you guys have all these guidelines, moving a certain number of fingers or not, doing a reality check by only breathing through the nose and so forth. What if I do it differently, does this mean that I am doing it wrong? Or is it that you guys jsut provide a general field guideline for others that seems to simple work; yet, there are those of us, meaning me that have our own technique that works and it isn't wrong? Did that make any since? I don't know, I am nervous unbelievably, because I have yet made contact with anyone on the boards yet. No one has said hi. I feel like I am in a new school trying to feel myself around the play ground. Anyhow, I was just wondering about all of this thank you!
[/b]

Hi Belladonna, welcome to DV. There is no wrong way to induce a lucid dream so don't worry about that. As long as your strategy gets you lucid, it is correct. Out of curiosity, what is your technique?

[BohmaN]

Just a dumb question, should you move 2 fingers on both hands or just one hand? =D

[imran_p]

Ye Belladonna, like he said, no technique that gets you lucid is wrong
unless it invloves ....sacrificies? :|
whuch ofc im sure it doesnt
mainly these tehcniques are tehcniques put forawrd by Mr Stephen LaBerge, after his extensive research
MILD, WILD, WBTB etc.
are all his, he explains them all in exploring the world of lucid dreaming
its lyk the lucid bible
and then there are other technioques created by people o nthese boards or other ones
like FILD
HILD

of course the most common way of inducing a lucid is DILD, which you can help along using several differnt methods
then treres lucid aids like b6

but generally these are all suggestions and ways of helping people become lucid
if you hae a technique that helps you achieve lucidity and you cant find on these boards thats excellent, and itd be a good ida for you to make a thread about it and see hat reults other get

and also like he said

HI, and welcome to DV. :bigteeth:

Imran

[funkstrman]

Just a dumb question, should you move 2 fingers on both hands or just one hand? =D[/b]

Two fingers on one hand.

[Eminence~]

I'll give this one another shot tonight. I've tried it in the past, but I can stand to try it again. :P

[Marvo]

I tried this yesterday night, and I woke up at 5:00, after 4-5 hours of sleep. I had positioned my alarm right besides me, for easy access and less work. As I had turned it off, I relaxed, and started moving my 2 fingers. I think I was doing it for maximum 30 seconds. I never did a reality-check. I suppose I fell asleep hehe. Gonna try again tonight, it seemed to work.

[funkstrman]

Has this worked for anyone? Whenever I try, I move my fingers :ever so slightly: and then nose RC after about 25-30 seconds and it NEVER works. I don't know...it seems like some people absolutely swear by this method, but it hasn't ever worked for me and I've tried many many times. Any advice?

[skuruza]

try 1-2 seconds

[juroara]

ive got another question..how fast do you fall asleep naturally =b becuase it takes me three hours usually..and I highly doubt this technique will work so quickly on me

I might end up tapping for an hour

[skuruza]

in the evening- like 10 mins.

at night when i am half awake, 3 seconds

[Eminence~]

Well I tried this last night and it worked. But it's a funny story. It was actually a false awakening I tried it during. So I never really woke up in the first place. :P

[fleeee1]

argh, someone please help!

i've probably tried this 4 times now and i'm just not getting it. i have my alarm (my cell phone) right beside my bed. i've tried sleeping 5 hours, and also 3-4. nothing. i thought maybe opening the cell and turning off the alarm was too much work, so i tried using a clock right beside my bed. nothing.

i think my heart starts beating really fast when the alarm goes off... i just can't keep it from happening. i feel like i'm only seconds away from being lucid, but i just can't get it to happen. maybe i should try it every night for a week or two so it's more of a routine (and thus less exciting)...?

also, skuruza, you said do a RC after 1-3 seconds... but wouldn't it work just the same after 30 seconds? i mean, if you're asleep in 1-3, and you RC after 30, wouldn't you still be asleep? it's just hard for me to picture falling asleep that fast, even if i was really tired.

i'm struggling with this one hard core, and i can't ever get WILD to work, so any other tips would be greatly appreciated.

[dream_to_escape]

Just a quick question, I have a hamster in my room so he's usually up and running on his wheel while I'm trying to sleep. I've gotten used to it now and I usually don't notice it but would the noise affect my attempts? Like make it harder or maybe even make it pretty much impossible or does it matter?

[skuruza]

i have never tried it with sound, but if you are sleepy enough, it probably will not matter

[vsk]

Does a "breathe with your mouth shut"-RC work? instead of a nose RC

[funkstrman]

Ooo, it worked finally! Very interesting...I like it.

[malac]

This topic makes me laugh, this is just a remake of fild thats been summarized in an unexplainable/non-understandable way.

[BohmaN]

This topic makes me laugh, this is just a remake of fild thats been summarized in an unexplainable/non-understandable way.[/b]
When you say it I actually agree. But by expressing himself succinctly I guess it makes people think that it's easy. At least it looks easy :P...

But I'm too lazy, so I haven't tried yet :/

[nechong]

hi skuruza,

so is this the correct way for me to do it?

--sleep at 1am
--wake up at 7m
--off the alarm but still stay on bed
--move 2 fingers very gentle for few secons
--breathe through nose and do rc for few seconds again
--then sleep?

thanks

[skuruza]

no i meant the nose RC...


also, i just thought that the original way of FILD you had to stay up-i didnt understand it. that's why i made this.

[eppy]

i didn't exactly do this technique, but i did something similar a couple days ago, and i did an RC but i didn't really have to because i felt the transition where i felt like i was vibrating a couple times.so you'd think you'd realize that your lucid.

[Goldney]

It seems obvious but do you do it with your eyes closed?

[HoshiNoKirby]

I just tried this last night, and everytime I was about to start dreaming I was thinking oh Sh** and woke myself up. And then I came close, I did the RC and found out I was dreaming and I thought Holy Sh** and I woke up again. lol, maybe I should keep the sh**s down. :yumdumdoodledum:

[bro]

I dont understand how this is diferent from FILD, hmm, I may try it agian though

[taihen]

I dont understand how this is diferent from FILD
[/b]

This is a combination of FILD and DEILD. The idea is that you are closer to falling back into dreaming when you have just awoken from REM sleep, making the FILD easier. However, I feel that I lose consciousness too easily if I don't get up from my bed. Too many time of ignoring my alarm clock has made me a bit prone to that, I'm afraid.

[that lucid guy]

I just tried this last night, and everytime I was about to start dreaming I was thinking oh Sh** and woke myself up. And then I came close, I did the RC and found out I was dreaming and I thought Holy Sh** and I woke up again. lol, maybe I should keep the sh**s down. :yumdumdoodledum:[/b]
:chuckle: Maybe just a little bit. :chuckle: I know what you mean though. It sure gets annoying after a while.