A Wild Variation

[Xetrov]

Hello Dreamers.

A few years back I made a post on another forum about a technique I am using to attain LD's. I thought it might be interesting to post it here too. Although I do not know if anyone else has already posted a similar technique here (I did a quick search and found some similar ideas but not exactly the same), if so I'm sorry. Of the people trying this technique quite a few were able to WILD successfully after a few nights of trying, so if you are interested give it a shot and who knows it works for you too.

First of all I do not try this technique when I go to sleep in the evening. I do it when I wake up during the morning, like after 4-7 hours of sleep (I made that a habbit), when the mind is still in 'REM-mode'. This is inportant since as most of you will know, in this state of mind WILD-ing is much easier (to me at least, I suppose it counts for others aswell).

On to the actual technique. It mainly comes down to forcing your brain to 'open up' a new dream, without having to wait and practise any relaxing or focussing/counting exercises. For me, it goes as following: I wake up during the night, and I'm still very sleepy. Before I fully wake up, before I even open my eyes, I imagine myself spinning around my length axis in my bed. This in itself could already cause a new dream to emerge quickly (some people actually do it just this way I think). However, I then use this spinning sensation to roll myself out of my sleeping position. This creates to our brain the illusion of an out of body experience. The trick is to do this ofcourse without moving your real body. You have to do it with your imagined spinning dream body! (On occasion, you will move your real body, if you do, you were too early and have to wait a few more moments longer next time.) Once you are 'out of body', your brain is instantly forced to 'project' your awareness into a dream. I say 'project', since this is what happens actually, you are mentally launched, or projected into your dreamworld.
Let me stress here that you are not actually out of your body, only your perception of what actually happens might make it look like a genuine OBE (what that realy is, is beyond the scope of this threat). When you stand there beside your bed, being lucid, it would be the same as a dream in which you became lucid and created your house and went up to your bedroom, nothing more or less. I must admit that at first when I used this technique I was doubting if I were perhaps realy out of body, but this is clearly not the case (I did quite some testing to come to this conclusion). Also, it looks perfectly like a normal LD, so why wouldnt it be one? Right.... well this is the technique i have been experimenting with, it has worked for me almost everytime I tried it (assuming im not already to wide awake, then it doesnt work anymore). I suppose one could call it RILD (R from Rolling...)

So, if anyone uses similar techniques or would try this one, I would gladly like to hear about it. Recently I havent been using this technique a lot but I plan to get back into LD-ing again and use this tech again.

[FreeOne]

cool technique. im interested in trying it :) if you could just expound a bit on a couple of things: I imagine myself spinning around my length axis in my bed. This in itself could already cause a new dream to emerge quickly (some people actually do it just this way I think). However, I then use this spinning sensation to roll myself out of my sleeping position. [/b] what do you mean about the length axis? and do you imagine just you spinning or the whole bed? do you try to see it in first person or third?
However, I then use this spinning sensation to roll myself out of my sleeping position[/b] How?

hard questions but but im not fully grasping it i guess lol :)

[Xetrov]

Hi Freefire.

Length axis of your body is head-toes. And I imagine just myself spinning around that axis, not the whole bed. It kind of goes like this, with closed eyes, in total darkness, I recreate the sensation in my mind as though I am spinning around my axis, from a first person perspective. At that time, in my mind, I am kind of spinning on my bed, at the same position where I am lying. At first it is a bit hard because you will also feel your bed still and this will tend to disrupt the spinning sensation. But if you force yourself to continue, at some point you will be so totally immersed in spinning that this will be all you feel. That is the time to use the spinning movement to roll yourself (actually, your dreambody) out of your bed, right into a LD.

The funny thing about this is that while you are spinning, your brain switches over from external senses to internal senses (your real body awareness is being replaced by dreambody awareness). At the point where you no longer really feel your bed, you have passed this point and you can use this right away to create a dream.

[becomingagodo]

This is the best WILD method i have seen. Xetrov what direction do you mean spinning do you imagine yourself flipping or just normal spinning when you stand up to make yourself dissy, also do you imagine yourself standing up or laying down.
At the point where you no longer really feel your bed, you have passed this point and you can use this right away to create a dream.[/b]
Now im a bit confused do you create dream or just enter it.

[FreeOne]

thanks for clearing it up. im going to try this :) ill ask if i got anymore questions

[OneRyt]

Also... do you go AROUND your axis? or circle in the direction....


>_<

like a train or a spinning top?

[Xetrov]

Imagine a dancer or ice-skater spinning very rapidly. Im sure all of you have seen this happening. Now imagine you are this dancer. Now imagine you are this dancer while you are in your bed, laying on your bed. Spinning fast, around your body's legth axis. Do not imagine yourself standing up, because this is an extra barrier and we want to make this method as easy as possible. Just wake up during the night, and do absolutely nothing but imagine yourself spinning around.

Also when I state we create a dream, I mean that our brain creates it. We already passed the point where external sensory input is closed down (we no longer feel the bed). So our awareness has slipped (unnoticably!) into our dreambody here. This goes so smoothly that you wont even realise it. You will think, hey I am still feeling my real physical body! But in reality, you feel your dream body. That's why, if you use the spinning sensation to roll out of your bed, you will find yourself in a dream. I hope this clears it up a bit.

[FreeOne]

yep :D

[DreamingDragon]

yep :D

So basicly your saying, Just imagine myself spinning super fast like those Ice Skaters, and then just imagine mysefl rolling off my bed?

[Kanious]

This works...

I tried this yesterday and it worked perfectly...

The shit is that i'm sick and the dream was unstable due to my state

[Xetrov]

So basicly your saying, Just imagine myself spinning super fast like those Ice Skaters, and then just imagine mysefl rolling off my bed?
Yup, roll off your bed and stand up on your bedroom floor. It will be a near 100% recreation of your real bedroom, but it will be a LD. Dont do it too soon though, you really need to be totally immersed in the spinning feeling. If you do it too soon, you will really stand up (not in the dream but IRL).

This works...

I tried this yesterday and it worked perfectly...

The shit is that i'm sick and the dream was unstable due to my state
Nice to read someone else made it work :) Hope you feel better soon!

[Kanious]

Yup, roll off your bed and stand up on your bedroom floor. It will be a near 100% recreation of your real bedroom, but it will be a LD. Dont do it too soon though, you really need to be totally immersed in the spinning feeling. If you do it too soon, you will really stand up (not in the dream but IRL).


Nice to read someone else made it work :) Hope you feel better soon!

i've tried it in yesterday morning without hopes...And for the fuck, it worked...I had my LOSGEST and BEST lucid dream of my entire life...A lucid dream of fucking amazing 58 minutes...The most clearer, the most vivid, the most memorable, the longer and the best lucid dream that i ever had.

I need to thank you for this technique...It works, i need to say too, that yesterday it was so fast with this technique...I think that less than 3 minutes, so less, put me into the dream state, without FEELING the sleep paralysis (i only felt the sensation of spinning gotting real and a increasing buzz).

[Xetrov]

Thats cool to hear, Kanious! Personally I never had such a long LD yet, but your account kinda gives me extra motivation to go for it (Im having a bit of a drought lol but slowly getting back there...)

And no need to thank me, its fun sharing ideas on the forum :). This is actually a technique that has been working for hundreds of years since it seems it was invented by yogis ages ago. I just "accidentaly" stumbled upon it when I tried it a few years ago.

ps: please do post that dream on the forum, I searched but you have not posted it yet, I'm curious :D

[Kanious]

Thats cool to hear, Kanious! Personally I never had such a long LD yet, but your account kinda gives me extra motivation to go for it (Im having a bit of a drought lol but slowly getting back there...)

And no need to thank me, its fun sharing ideas on the forum :). This is actually a technique that has been working for hundreds of years since it seems it was invented by yogis ages ago. I just "accidentaly" stumbled upon it when I tried it a few years ago.

ps: please do post that dream on the forum, I searched but you have not posted it yet, I'm curious :D

i'll post it tomorrow...I have it on my dream journal (so it's in portuguese), i'm translating it...

I'll try this soon again !!

[omegadecisive]

This sounds a lot like something I used to do when I was younger, every night before I went to sleep I would imagine myself rotating on a axis, however I used to imagine I rotated back and forth, so around an axis that went through waist level.

The same happened, I would concentrate hard on rotating and eventually rotate to the point where I was standing. I used to be lucid but in a passive way, I didn't realise I was dreaming but at the same time I was exploring the dream on my own, not just watching.

Trying to gain lucidity again though; using this technique to some extent, and I know it works because I used to do it :D

[Kanious]

My dream that was the success of this variation is now posted on general lucid dreaming

[Zenman]

Cool idea Xetrov, I'll give it a whirl. Hehe. I'm quite new to LDing but a few weeks ago I awoke in the morning and as I went back to sleep realized I could feel my dream body's arms had become separate from my RL body. I instinctively started spinning like you described because I heard it can create a new dream. Well it worked but it was such a realistic dream I completely lost lucidity and even forgot the dream when I woke up later.

Btw, what do you usually do once you've rolled off the bed in your dream body? Do you walk around the house or do you go outside on some kind of adventure? And if so, do you have to walk out the front door, or do you fly out the window or something?

Thanks,
ZM

[Xetrov]

Btw, what do you usually do once you've rolled off the bed in your dream body? Do you walk around the house or do you go outside on some kind of adventure? And if so, do you have to walk out the front door, or do you fly out the window or something?

Hey Zenman,

Yes you were close, im sure you can get lucid when you keep practising rolling! At first when I did this tech, I just stood there in my (dream)bedroom, being flabbergasted that I had actually wilded, and by the details of the dream. Everything was in my room, all my stuff, I could feel all the textures. Later on I also just started exploring in the house, but mostly I went "X-Ray style" straight through the wall/window and jumped down to the street, so start exploring from there.

[Elucive]

I wanna try.

[mjstopgun]

I've unintentionally used this technique before, but i've never been able to repeat it. Hopefully i'll be able to now.
Just make sure to do a couple of RCs and stabalization techniques after you fall out, or else you could just have a false awakening.

[Xetrov]

Just make sure to do a couple of RCs and stabalization techniques after you fall out, or else you could just have a false awakening.
Yeah thats good advise. I didnt include it I guess because having done it so often, I dont need to RC anymore... but I did need it when I first WILDed with this method.

[A dreamer168]

So, u imagine this ice skater spinning thing in bed?

Is it kinda like a rotisserie chicken movement?

[Fabio-the-dreamer]

Is it kinda like a rotisserie chicken movement?

Best description ever.

Anyways, I tried this a few times, but never with any success. My problem was actually feeling the spinning. Also, I tried starting with real slow spinning,

kinda like a rotisserie chicken movement
If that makes a difference.

Also, just a thought, would it help to roll around on the floor, say, before you go to bed, just so you get the feeling, and can visualize it easier? :rolllaugh:

[TheWeirdnessSymposium]

I'd think I'd fine omega decisive's approach easier (moving backwards and forwards on an axis at waist level) - for some reason I can't visualise myself spinning in the first person - I always end up watching from the outside.

[Xetrov]

...I tried this a few times, but never with any success. My problem was actually feeling the spinning. Also, I tried starting with real slow spinning,

If that makes a difference.

At what time did you try it, going to bed at evening or after waking during the night? I always do it when I wake during the night and imagine myself spinning quite fast.

But maybe for some people imagining themselve spinning is pretty hard, and maybe for those another visualisation works. I'd say, experiment! And rolling on the floor, dunno if it would help, maybe to make you laugh? Rofl :) I'd say try and see what happens!

[Fabio-the-dreamer]

I was going to try it last night, but I slept with my watch under my pillow. :P

But I'll give it another go tonight.