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KuRoSaKi
08-10-2007, 12:19 AM
Introduction:

I have gotten quite a few PM's about the technique that is shown in my signature. "What's that technique in your sig?" "Can you explain that technique?" "Does that technique really work?". So am now here to explain just exactly what the technique is. I would also like to note that this technique since perfected has worked 100% of the time for myself. Results may vary of course.

The Technique:

So what is the VWTPIWBTBILD or the recently added VWTPISIWBTBILD? Visual-Wild-Thought Provoked-Immediate-Wake-Back-To-Bed-Induced Lucid Dream, or the newly modified but was to long for my sig Visual-Wild-Thought Provoked-Incense-Sound-Immediate-Wake-Back-To-Bed-Induced Lucid Dream.

In a nutshell it is several Induction Methods combined into 1 induction method. What is the point of this? Say you aren't good at a given method or a few methods work okay, but not all them. This solves some of these problems by combining them all into one and better yet they can all be done at the same time and it's quite easy to do.

The Process:


Immediate Wake Back To Bed - what you are going to do first is set your alarm clock to go off 5 hours after you have fallen asleep. Now this is the most important step in the entire process so make sure you do it. After you have done this all of the other steps proceed afterwards.

To make things easier on yourself and make the chances for success higher you could have the next few things set-up already so that you don't have to keep yourself awake for to long afterwards.

In this processes perfect form you should be back in bed within 1 minute and get in a comfortable position and attempt to sleep while performing the following.
Visual - This is basically closed eye visuals or hypnagogic imagery that may appear, but will more likely be more dependent on the individual to create Visual Images with their eyes closed.
Thought Provoked - This is you keeping your mind on a subject or affirmations whatever floats your boat until you are on the verge of sleep. While Affirmations can be used I would not completely suggest them instead I am going to explain the "Subject" part of this technique.

Ex. The World is a very broad subject and can contain many things having to do with it. Animal life, science, math, human, morals, atmosphere, clouds, etc. What you want to be doing while falling asleep is think about a subject and the many aspects that can go along with it. I noticed that with affirmations you may become bored saying the same thing over and over and over again. This rids you of that problem allowing you to pick your own topic of interest and then expand upon it keeping your mind aware and somewhat interested until you fall asleep.
Wild - In the way that I am using it means get comfortable, stay still, and do Steps 2 & 3 while doing so. Some people have asked if you have to lay on your back while attempting to do a WILD the answer is no. What you should be doing is get yourself into a comfortable position that you can easily fall asleep in. For me it's on my side or on my stomach with my head looking to side. Once you have gotten comfortable "Do Not Move If It Can Be Avoided". If you have a scratch itch it then put your arm back where it was or where it's comfortable and keep still.

If you move depending on how much you do so it will defeat the purpose entirely let me give you an Ex. using percentages.

Ex. Say your body is 70% asleep, and you get a itch on your nose. If you leave that itch it will probably become worse causing your thought process to become distracted you losing focus and worsening what you are trying to accomplish. So you reach over and itch your nose and put your arm back this will bring you to about 63% of your body being asleep. But for instance if you roll over, bend your legs, move your hand under your pillow, and bring your other arm up close when you are at 70% this could bring you back down to 15% now that might be an exaggeration but it still applies if you can stay still do so.
Immediate Wake Back To Bed - Now that I have explained the other aspects to this technique it's time to throw them all together. Your alarm goes off 5 hours after you have gone to sleep. You get up or wherever your alarm clock happens to be and shut it off. Then you go back your bed right away (If you have to use the bathroom or get a drink do so as this may disrupt you while you are trying to sleep). Once you have gotten comfortable choose a subject and begin to think about it and things having to do with it to keep your mind aware. While you are doing this it would be best to create images or little "Movie Clips" (I.E. moving scenes) within your mind to aid in the process of keeping yourself aware.

Another bonus effect of the subject matter and the Visual images is that if you do in fact succeed the dream in which you enter will most likely be that of what you were visualizing or thinking about. Continue to do this until you experience the normal sensations of a WILD and you will have succeeded.The Modified Process:

The modified process as said above includes the use of sound/music to assist you. If you do not like listening to white noise while you are trying to fall asleep by having some low volume music playing this can aid you in your attempt. I would suggest mellow music that's easy on the ears and easy to fall asleep to. I know classical may not be your cup of tea, but that's the kind of music. You can play metal or whatever floats your boat, but make sure that's on a very low volume so that it does not impede the process. It would be ideal if you already had the music setup to go when you wake up after 5 hours so all you have to do is hit play and then you are good to go.

The theory behind the incense is that the smell of a incense can be paired with memories or thoughts as well as making your more relaxed etc. For instance if you were to burn the same incense every time you read about lucid dreaming, or dreaming in general than your brain according to the theory would apply that smell with the thought or idea of dreaming. So when you went to sleep at night if you had that same incense burning your Subconscious could pick up on the smell and unknowingly begin to think about dreaming.

The two of these would be going on at the same time in which you are performing the Immediate Wake Back To Bed process.

Conclusion:

This is how the technique that is shown in my signature is done. Like I have said this works 100% of the time since I had totally fleshed it out for myself. Others have said that it has helped them as well. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Wanted
08-10-2007, 12:21 AM
I <3 you Brandon. I <3 you long time.

arby
08-10-2007, 06:20 AM
This tech is so powerful, I think my neighbor had a lucid instead of me.

TaNK
08-10-2007, 11:07 AM
Holy zombie Jesus on a pogo stick with a side of hash browns, that's...

That's...I have no idea how to describe it. Freaking awesome comes to mind. I'm definitely trying this tonight.

H Savvy
08-10-2007, 01:07 PM
Some other suggestions for good choices besides classical would be jazz (real jazz, not smooth jazz, because, seriously people, come on), or something vocal-less but chilled out like Ratatat.

Other than that, i'd say that making the alarm as unobtrusive as possible would be helpful. If you use a cell phone for your alarm (as many do, nowadays, including me), look for an alarm ring that is less horribly awakening than full volume mexican hat dance.

I personally use two different alarm rings. One for waking me up in the morning, it's a loud generic ring. The other is used to wake me up in the middle of the night for WBTB. On my phone, it's called "Ding", but most phones have some sort of subtle pinging, maybe called notify, ta-da, or the like. It's helpful to wake gently and smoothly, and as little as possible. If your alarm is 100 decibels of static or death metal or Fur Elise, then it'll be more difficult and take longer to fall asleep.

Just thought that might help supplement this otherwise very well thought out tutorial.

Spartiate
08-10-2007, 03:14 PM
Haha Brandon, I see you couldn't make up your mind on which forum to post this in :p...

lagunagirl
08-10-2007, 03:34 PM
would this still work even if I've never done a WILD before, or should I try WILD by itself first?

TaNK
08-10-2007, 03:39 PM
I'd say go for this, this is a sort of enhanced WILD.

KuRoSaKi
08-11-2007, 01:19 AM
This is a ub3r technique in itself it's a WILD among many other things.

james-25:22pm
08-11-2007, 03:32 AM
Hey brandon, awesome tutorial...ive personally never had much success with WILD, swallowing seems to screw me up...but i was wondering

how long does it take you from going back to bed to enter your dream?

with wbtb if i go right back to bed, like with a FILD, i just wake up 3 hours later dreamless. so, am i right to assume it doesnt take too long to do this method?

any tips for keeping your mind on a subject?

KuRoSaKi
08-11-2007, 03:54 AM
This method usually takes me about 5-15 minutes to do. If you have to swallow, then swallow after a bit it will become an autonomic process I believe it is called similiar to breathing.

To keep your mind on a subject the broader the subject is the better that way it leaves you a lot of room to jump around to different topics within the subject matter. I find that the broader the subject to which you are thinking about is the less likely other random thoughts are likely to pop into your head.

james-25:22pm
08-11-2007, 04:06 AM
ah thanks, but sorry for being a bit slow here,

most wild techniques I've read focus on like having a clear head. and watching passively to watch for the signs that your entering a dream.

but if im visualising, or thinking about a topic other than dreaming...how do you know when you enter the dream?

and if your not thinking about dreaming, or focusing on breathing or something; then what stops you falling asleep regularly?

thanks again

KuRoSaKi
08-11-2007, 04:24 AM
You are focusing on a subject, and hence by focusing on a subject which is accomponied by visuals you are keeping yourself Aware. Awareness is the key in the WILD and by doing the above you are keeping yourself aware.

If you keep your mind clear and watch passively there is a rather large chance that you may find yourself falling asleep and passing out and then waking up the next morning asking yourself what happened. By thinking on a subject you keep your mind aware enough so that you do not fall asleep without knowing that you have fallen asleep.

You will know when you enter a dream you will be most likely be somewhere where you did not fall asleep. It will be pretty obvious that you have entered a dream.

james-25:22pm
08-11-2007, 04:27 AM
thanks a heap, ill give this a shot soon. i was just presuming, my dream would just end up being something about the subject i was thinking about...and therefore undetectable, but i guess ill just wake up somewhere else!

thanks!

luv2dream
08-11-2007, 05:34 PM
I tried this and just as I thought I might be getting close to SP my cat jumped on me :( by then I just gave up. i hope it works tonight

Elucive
08-11-2007, 05:47 PM
Yea, I'm also going to try tonight. It doesn't really matter to me if I get into a LD or not, I just wanna see some progress, like SP, vibrations, etc.



Excellent guide Brandon.

DarThDreAmeR
08-11-2007, 08:07 PM
Thanks Brandon I've been wondering for a while what your technique was. I'll definitely try this out tonight and let you guys know how it goes.

Elucive
08-12-2007, 07:53 AM
Well, I tried last night, and it didn't work for me.

I might just be one of those people who can't WILD. Afer the immediate WBTB I was extremely tired, and thought that it would take me only like 5 minutes to enter SP.

But ofcourse it didn't work......I was in my bed from 5:30am to 6:30am with no results at all......no SP.....no HI....no vibrations.....no nothing.....I was FURIOUS :mad:. Then when I gave up I did all the steps to MILD, and for the first time my vizualation and affirmations were the last things on my mind :). But that didn't work either :(

At least I had a cool dream..I was getting chased by Jason in my house. :banana:

KuRoSaKi
08-12-2007, 08:49 AM
If you do it right it will always work you must of done something wrong.

dodobird
08-12-2007, 08:59 AM
Thanks Brandon,

I thought that it will be helpful if you tell us what subjects you think about yourself, and write some example thoughts and visuals that spring from these subject, as I think this may give us a good direction as to how to do it.

KuRoSaKi
08-12-2007, 09:42 AM
Thanks Brandon,

I thought that it will be helpful if you tell us what subjects you think about yourself, and write some example thoughts and visuals that spring from these subject, as I think this may give us a good direction as to how to do it.

Alright let me give you an example of something I was thinking of. Devil May Cry 3 is a video game. I have been watching a lot of combo videos lately and stuff and there is this very hard difficulty setting you can play on.

So anyways while I was sleeping I was thinking about what the game would be like to play on that difficulty setting, weapons that I would have to finish upgrading, moves I would have to finish getting, maxing out the health bar, maxing out the devil trigger, how hard some of the bosses are going to be, how much easier it would be to get a higher style rating since the enemies are going to have a lot more life, different strategies and things I would have to develop, how much more I am going to improve from the increased difficulty setting, different combo's or techniques I am going to try out. And that's about all of it.

As you can see from the one subject "Devil may Cry 3" there are a numerous amount of aspects that can go along with the single subject and so while doing the technique these are the things I would think about pertaining to the subject of "Devil May Cry 3." I hope that helps if you need some more clearification let me know.


Ooops almost forget visuals. While thinking about each given area for instance while thinking about the upgrades and upgrading actions and stuff I can visualize the menu screen in my heard where you perform these, maxing out the health bar I can visualize the health bar itself and see it growing and also visualize the things I would have to do to make it grow by getting these blue orb things same with the devil trigger. As for the bosses I can see myself fighting the bosses in the game and using moves on them. For the style meter I can see it changing and getting as I perform combos on enemies. For strategies I visualize different things I can do to enemies different tactics I can use etc same would apply for combos.

Alex D
08-12-2007, 09:56 AM
You know, I've been getting lucid through a similar technique a lot myself and I must say, it is very effective. I'll try doing it after five ours like you say though, I've just getting myself out of bed to get a drink when I wake up from a dream, going right back to bed, focusing on telling myself a story and imagining it while watching the imager and going into a WILD. This is effectively what you say, no? Only without the 5 hours sleep. If so then this is the easiest variation of WILD I've come across in my years.

Could do with a catchier name though.

KuRoSaKi
08-12-2007, 10:14 AM
Yeah pretty much your doing somewhat what my technique is illustrating what's wrong with the name? Lol.

Alex D
08-12-2007, 10:19 AM
Yeah pretty much your doing somewhat what my technique is illustrating what's wrong with the name? Lol.

Oh well, saves me making a topic saying my WILD technique anyhow, and as for the name, I like it a lot more than most of the four letter of ILD's, originality at least. :P

KuRoSaKi
08-12-2007, 10:47 AM
Yeah I am going to have to think of a name that suits the technique although it contains so much from so many things I am having a hard time.

Oneironaught
08-14-2007, 08:36 AM
If you do it right it will always work you must of done something wrong.
Your technique is similar to what I'd assume a lot of people have done - basically a combo of "standards" - so I agree that it's a useful way of going about it. I've never put too much pressure on any one method, making this a good route to go down. It's always most profitable to employ as many methods as you can handle.

However, I must disagree that any technique will "always work". Claiming that is very misleading to those who try to follow your instruction. Some people have very good success with a given method but, to claim that if some one doesn't have success they must be "doing it wrong" is unfair and discouraging to others.

As I've said many times, LDing techniques are about increasing the odds. No tech will work for everyone all the time. It just doesn't happen like that. So, to the other members trying Brandon's method: Keep at it and don't be misled into thinking that "you're doing something wrong" of that you're "not trying hard enough". Remember, each must try various methods and find their own sweet spot. Sometimes that sweet spot is a combo of various methods (like what Brandon describes here). Just don't fall for the hype that "this or that is guaranteed to be THE method for you" or you'll quickly become discouraged of think that you are unable to have LD success.

That said, this is a good method to use. I'm not trying to discredit Brandon at all. Just understand that we won't all have the same level of success with this method as Brandon so don't let that throw you off course. Brandon has found his personal sweet spot with the combo he mentions but we are all different.

dodobird
08-14-2007, 08:46 AM
Thanks Brandon, I understand it now better.
Maybe call it TVILD ( T, V = thoughts and visualization )
What I like about this technique is that it solves the problem of distracting thoughts, by using thoughts as a way to focus. You don't need to stop thinking, but instead you are supposed think about a certain topic. Respect.:bowdown:

Oneironaught
08-14-2007, 12:52 PM
...You don't need to stop thinking, but instead you are supposed think about a certain topic. Respect.:bowdown:
Isn't that what regular WILD is all about, keeping your mind focused on a given thing in order to keep up mental activity?

Richter
08-14-2007, 10:33 PM
Just wanted to say: I like your method, as it's not dependant on recalling a dream after the WBTB portion... something I fail at royally. With this method it seems one of two things will happen:

I) You'll LD!!!
II) You'll give up before you fall asleep.

I think I understand why you say one can't fail, but only give up... Ideally, the only problem I could foresee is being unable to fall asleep after WBTB, but if so the problem isn't the method; it's insomnia! I'm definitely trying this.

Oh, Oneironaught, I think many individuals believe WILD is more like meditation... i..e totally clearing the mind of all thought, except maybe focusing on breathing. I know I haven't had much success with this sort of anti-focus.

BTW, names... how about the Ai1 (All in 1) method, or the T.I.M. method (Total Induction Method)? :p

dodobird
08-15-2007, 03:10 AM
Isn't that what regular WILD is all about, keeping your mind focused on a given thing in order to keep up mental activity?

Oh, Oneironaught, I think many individuals believe WILD is more like meditation... i..e totally clearing the mind of all thought, except maybe focusing on breathing. I know I haven't had much success with this sort of anti-focus.


Yes, what I meant is pretty much what Richter said. In many WILD types you are supposed to focus on something ( Counting, visualizations etc ), and use that to stop thinking about normal, everyday things such as stuff that happened to you during the day, or things you are planning to do tomorrow. The problem with this kind everyday, unintentional thoughts is that they are too random. It's a stream of consciousness, thoughts progressing from one to the other quite randomly, and after a while you forget that you are trying to WILD and fall asleep.
This technique is like fighting fire with fire, instead of using meditation techniques to stop your mind from wondering randomly, you intentionally think, but on a specific topic that interest you, and you keep thinking about this same topic.