If you try to WILD at night.....

[Elucive]

You know how when you first go to sleep at night it takes about 90 minutes for the first REM cycle right?

Well, let's say I'm trying to WILD until I get to that first REM cycle...How do I know when my body falls asleep and the "timer" starts counting down??


I just tried napping right now...with WILD..my body got numb and everything and I was wondering, "Well....I guess I have to wait till I get to the REM cycle...but how do I know if my body is sleeping?"

So yea that's basically my question.

[KuRoSaKi]

I thought it took about 4-5 hours for the first REM cycle.....
If you take a nap your REM cycle is pretty much the first thing to occur Naps are pretty much just REM sleep.

You will know your body is asleep when you enter SP. Or it's numb and vibrating. Then you wait for the vertigo and then the dream comes next.

[TweaK]

No. It doesn't take 90 minutes. It takes a couple of hours.

[Elucive]

If it takes a couple of hours...why would anyone wanna WILD right away without doing WBTB?...That would be torture...unless I'm missing something...


And everytime I WILD during a nap it never friggin works!!

[KuRoSaKi]

Your supposed to wild after a WBTB........ common sense man.

[MindDaguerreotype]

The times when I tried to record EVERY dream of a night (by self-convincing me to wake-up after each dream), I had dreams at every 90 minutes counting from the beginning of the night.
So yes, the REM cycles are every 90 minutes, not after 4 hours. The first cycles are only much shorter than those in the morning.
And I could WILD on the evening without sleeping before; but it's much more difficult than in the morning, and the result was not very good (dream quality is poor in the first cycles). So it's not a good idea.

To answer the "timer": well, basically my evening WILD started after 90 minutes ;) I guess I somehow "simulated" the previous deep sleep cycles by just staying immobile and relaxed.
If you are like me, and can't fall asleep easily (I need 1 full hour), just start by pretending to try to sleep (and failing as usual), and do the WILD technique (awareness/counting/whatever) only when enough time has passed (30 minutes, 1 hour). Starting earlier won't change anything.
But if you usually fall asleep in 5 minutes, then... doing it in the evening is certainly not for you at all !

[Elucive]

Thanks Mind, you're the first person to answer my "timer" question, lol.

And Brandon, I know I'm supposed to WILD after WBTB, but I read about people WILDing during afternoon naps, and I guess I got curious.

[TweaK]

Well that's an afternoon nap. Your body isn't going to sleep a NIGHT, but only an hour or two. That's why you instantly go into REM.

[KuRoSaKi]

Well that's an afternoon nap. Your body isn't going to sleep a NIGHT, but only an hour or two. That's why you instantly go into REM.

Exactly I am seriously doubting the intelligence level or common sense of you guys obviously if you are taking a nap that's pretty much just REM sleep. If you are going to actually go to sleep then it goes through sleep stages until you reach REM sleep.

[Clairity]

Per wikipedia, REM sleep can occur within about 90 minutes, but in those with a sleep onset REM period, it may be as little as 15-25 minutes. This is considered a sign of narcolepsy. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REM_sleep )
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[DarThDreAmeR]

Man if i didn't have real stuff to do during the day narcolepsy would be sweet!!

[Blµb]

I wouldn't define a general rule about how long it has to take till the first REM period.
There are nights where I won't fall asleep for 5 hours, even when i'm extremely tired, then there are days where i'm not tired at all, go to bed, and the next thing I know is that I wake up (or am in a dream). Eventually I wake up after the first dream and the whole process took me less than 2 hours.

[LucidInCuB!zt]

dood that hand freaks me out lol:)

[Sugarglider11]

If you fall asleep in 5 minutes is will it only take 5 minutes in a nap wild?

[Tornado Joe]

Ok folks, here's the deal:

5 stages of sleep
1 is when you first lay down and start to relax
2 is when you start to lose "awareness"
3 is deeper stage of sleep - you're pretty much out at this point
4 even deeper stage of sleep - body repairs itself, brain waves are very slow, no thoughts
5 REM - dreaming, your brain starts shooting off impulses and become active

it takes approx. 90mins to go through all 5 cycles. In the course of one night you may go through all cycles 4-6 times (depending on how long you stay in bed). Each time the REM period lasts longer.

Technically, when you nap, this 90 minute rule still applies. However, depending on how much sleep you actually need you may spend less time in the beginning stages - but you won't 'skip' through them unless you are already in the midst of a second or third consecutive cycle, when the cycle actually breakes from the 1-2-3-4-REM to 1-2-3-4-REM-2-3-4-REM-2-3-4-REM... etc

Refer to Sleep Cycles (http://www.dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php) page on our main page for more info.

[SKA]

Actually I thought that every sleep cycle, of which we generally have 5 to 6 per night, last 90 minutes and that the last 5 to 20 minutes of those 90 minutes is REM-sleep dreamtime.

[phoenelai]

Per wikipedia, REM sleep can occur within about 90 minutes, but in those with a sleep onset REM period, it may be as little as 15-25 minutes. This is considered a sign of narcolepsy. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REM_sleep )
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Makes sense to me because I've DILD only after a short 20 min in NAP.

:D

[Sugarglider11]

Makes sense to me because I've DILD only after a short 20 min in NAP.

:D

nap is the keyword, you enter rem almost instantly in a nap, I tried to wild today, when I feel like I', spinning does that mean I'm close to the dream? (within 5 minutes of entering the dream)

[phoenelai]

nap is the keyword, you enter rem almost instantly in a nap, I tried to wild today, when I feel like I', spinning does that mean I'm close to the dream? (within 5 minutes of entering the dream)


Yeah I know that feeling, except versus spinning mine feels like falling or something. I would say yeah its close to dream time at that point, really relaxed by then, breathing probably slower.

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