Living Forever ( next 25 years )

[Selmuir]

So you want to like forever ,
this scientist thinks he can cure ageing in the next 25 years plus it would eleminate cancer ,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llvP-7XgTEE
that is him in his talk ( above )



and this is his website ( below )
http://www.sens.org/




yes i know he has a 100 foot long beard but i think he may be on to somthing here

[Seeker]

25 years from now, I will be in my 70's. Too late for me, I don't want to live forever at the physical age of 75. I hope it works out for the rest of you though :)

[Marvo]

Oh, that makes me feel bad inside, Seeker :(

[Seeker]

Oh, that makes me feel bad inside, Seeker :(

Nah, don't be sad!!! Death is not the end for me, it is just a transition. I'm really looking forward to seeing what is on the other side (25+ years from now of course!!! :) )

[Marvo]

I see yes, but there's no fun in it, if you can't tell anybody about it. I guess my own little gamer-seat in heaven would be nice.

*atheistic body-fibers kicks in*

[Neruo]

I say: The only way we can keep everyone alive for more than 500 years, is if we put EXTREME restrictions on how many, if any, children people may have.

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Edit: the guy had some great points, however, about why we are so afraid to 'cure' aging.

[Goldney]

I think he's being very optimistic. I hope he proves me wrong in 10 years or so though.

[arby]

If we all live for 1000 years and the only way to really die is kill yourself.. won't that weed more stupid people out of society?

Also, the children that are born and raised will be done so under strict regulation. They will be given to the people that can best raise them.

Future looks bright, IMO.

Oh, and his arguments make sense. but, how are we supposed to do a cleanup at the cellular level?

[Gwendolyn]

I think the life extension thing sounds pretty neat. Forever? I wouldn't like to live forever.

[Liquidnine]

I saw a documentary on channel 4 about this guy - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1006866/

It was a while back and I think it showed how he had some psychological issues to make him want to live forever in the first place.....

If I remember he also smokes! Pretty Hypocritical.
However, I do believe and agree with what he says. And I would love to live forever. ;)

[Selmuir]

I think he might just do it tho , and of course you would have to put restrictions on how many babys your allowed but by then that will be ROBOT time we can all have baby robots :p

[dodobird]

This brings out this interesting philosophical question: in a 1000 years, what is more just, to have 1 person live 1000 years, or 13 different people to live 76 years each ( 13*76=988) ?

[Selmuir]

Huh , what do you mean ?

[wendylove]

This is rubbish. Oh yeah, Seeker their is nothing on the other side. This reminds me of the selfish people who pay lots to get theirself frozen so in the future they can be unfrozen and brought back to life, now this will never happen as their cells turn to mush as water expands in the cell causing irrepairable damage.

[Liquidnine]

I think he means that, if someone lived for 1000 years, then due to birth control methods there wouldn't be all the generations of normal lifespan humans that would have lived in that 1000 years. Its confusing but I think I understand what he's saying.

dodobird- but its just a extended lifespan, eventually those people will get their chance to live anyway, for 1000 years. Unless of course humans have an indefinite lifespan. Interesting question...

[TweaK]

25 years from now, I will be in my 70's. Too late for me, I don't want to live forever at the physical age of 75. I hope it works out for the rest of you though :)
What, Seeker, you'll be in your 70s? Dude, I must hand it to you, I've seen one or two photographs of you and you look seventy already twenty!

[dodobird]

Huh , what do you mean ?

I will try to explain better.
Lets say that there is a cure that lets you live 1000 years. Now, the world will quickly get filled with people so it will be necessary to control births. So in the time that one human lived, for 1000 years, then 13 humans could have lived, one after the other, if the life span was only 76 years.
To make sure this is clear I will give an analogy of a video game. Lets say only 20 people can play this game at the same time. And they play it for 1 hours. After they finish playing, another 20 people can play in their place. So In 10 hours, 10*20=200 people can enjoy this game.
Now lets say you can play the game for 10 hours instead of 1 hour. If this is the case, In 10 hours, only 20 players can enjoy the game.
To explain the analogy:
The game is life,
20 players who can play at the same time is the maximum population of humans who can live at the same time on earth ( 10 billions or so )
the 1 hour game is the 75 years human life span.
the 10 hours game is the 1000 years human life span.

I hope you see what I mean now.

[TweaK]

I will try to explain better.
Lets say that there is a cure that lets you live 1000 years. Now, the world will quickly get filled with people so it will be necessary to control births. So in the time that one human lived, for 1000 years, then 13 humans could have lived, one after the other, if the life span was only 76 years.
To make sure this is clear I will give an analogy of a video game. Lets say only 20 people can play this game at the same time. And they play it for 1 hours. After they finish playing, another 20 people can play in their place. So In 10 hours, 10*20=200 people can enjoy this game.
Now lets say you can play the game for 10 hours instead of 1 hour. If this is the case, In 10 hours, only 20 players can enjoy the game.
To explain the analogy:
The game is life,
20 players who can play at the same time is the maximum population of humans who can live at the same time on earth ( 10 billions or so )
the 1 hour game is the 75 years human life span.
the 10 hours game is the 1000 years human life span.

I hope you see what I mean now.
Exactly. Which is why it isn't worth living forever because we'll run out of space quickly. Aside from the fact it'd get boring knowing nearly everything there is to know (trust me, you WILL know everything after 2000 years of living and having nothing better to do than just gaining knowledge), it isn't even WORTH it as long as we don't get to colonize on other plants, for the space will run out VERY quickly.

[Liquidnine]

In 2000 years of living you probably would forget things. And in 2000 years I think its almost certain that humans will be able to colonize other planets.

Plus you could just kll yourself if its not worth living. You won't know if you dont try anyway.

[Gwendolyn]

This is rubbish. Oh yeah, Seeker their is nothing on the other side. This reminds me of the selfish people who pay lots to get theirself frozen so in the future they can be unfrozen and brought back to life, now this will never happen as their cells turn to mush as water expands in the cell causing irrepairable damage.

Respect the opinions of others. You aren't in R&S, so be nice when stating your opinion. Make sure it isn't a personal attack.

[wendylove]

Respect the opinions of others.
No!
You aren't in R&S, so be nice when stating your opinion.
No!
Make sure it isn't a personal attack.
I don't see how anything I have said in this forum is a personal attack. The only thing I can make up is calling people who want to extend their lives beyound normal as selfish, as they could just equally give it to the youth or dying people in africa, not only that but overpopulation would destroy civilization in the long run. The only other thing I said is too seeker saying their is no after life, which is not a personal. So I don't know why your applying I am personally attacking someone.

[NeAvO]

I wouldn't want to live forever anyway.

[TweaK]

No!

No!

I don't see how anything I have said in this forum is a personal attack. The only thing I can make up is calling people who want to extend their lives beyound normal as selfish, as they could just equally give it to the youth or dying people in africa, not only that but overpopulation would destroy civilization in the long run. The only other thing I said is too seeker saying their is no after life, which is not a personal. So I don't know why your applying I am personally attacking someone.
Uhm.

PROTIP: You're being a major shitfaced idiot a little unwise right now, besides for the fact you're refusing a "direct command" from the forum staff.

Also, you are in fact attacking people by saying there is nothing on the other side and saying this is rubbish. While that may not have felt like a direct attack to you, that IS offensive.

[wendylove]

Also, you are in fact attacking people by saying there is nothing on the other side and saying this is rubbish
I wasen't talking about life after death being rubbish, but being able to extend life is rubbish. Seriously, didn't I make it more clear.

I put "This is rubbish." and then starting something else with the "oh yeah, seeker". Well next time I will make it more clear, so the forum staff don't say I making personal attacks.
for the fact you're refusing a "direct command" from the forum staff.
Yeah, but I can't respect everybody opinions as say I don't respect Nazism. Now if I obeyed every person who was a athority I would be only fit for the army, I don't want to join the army. Plus if everyone on this forum had a PHD in quantum physics and had really big IQ's, I would respect everyone, however most people are ignorant. I'm ignorant too, however atleast I admit it.

[Marvo]

This is rubbish. Oh yeah, Seeker their is nothing on the other side. This reminds me of the selfish people who pay lots to get theirself frozen so in the future they can be unfrozen and brought back to life, now this will never happen as their cells turn to mush as water expands in the cell causing irrepairable damage.

Come on, do you actually think people pay lots of money, just to get turned into exploded biomass? Just like with organs, you can make the cells change their liquids into something else, that does not expand.

Also, extending life is not rubbish. It is very possible, we just have yet to find the correct technology.

[TweaK]

I wasen't talking about life after death being rubbish, but being able to extend life is rubbish. Seriously, didn't I make it more clear.

I put "This is rubbish." and then starting something else with the "oh yeah, seeker". Well next time I will make it more clear, so the forum staff don't say I making personal attacks.
Learn to read. I never said I thought you said life after death was rubbish.

Yeah, but I can't respect everybody opinions as say I don't respect Nazism. Now if I obeyed every person who was a athority I would be only fit for the army, I don't want to join the army. Plus if everyone on this forum had a PHD in quantum physics and had really big IQ's, I would respect everyone, however most people are ignorant. I'm ignorant too, however atleast I admit it.You can, you know, just don't reply. Ignore them. You don't have to have respect for everything, that's impossible, but you have to respect others having an opinion, so if you disagree, either come with proper arguments or shut up, and don't start saying "THIS IS RUBBISH, THAT IS RUBBISH"

[wendylove]

Well, I will take your advice Tweak and stop arguing.

[Gwendolyn]

I don't see how anything I have said in this forum is a personal attack. The only thing I can make up is calling people who want to extend their lives beyound normal as selfish, as they could just equally give it to the youth or dying people in africa, not only that but overpopulation would destroy civilization in the long run. The only other thing I said is too seeker saying their is no after life, which is not a personal. So I don't know why your applying I am personally attacking someone.


Not agreeing with someone is one thing. Calling their opinion 'rubbish' or others 'selfish' because you think that their opinions are stupid is name calling, in any context. That, my child, is a personal attack. So cut it out, and be nice. Please. There are ways to state one's opinion without being combative. I suggest you study this art.

[imran_p]

Yeah, seriously wendylove, you remind me of that becomingagodo, the cat guy, I swear u might be, your equally as rude and arrogant.

[Selmuir]

Im probilly gonna get penilized for this but anyway .... if i had the chance to live for 900 years longer i would defo take it , and if that meant restrictions on babys etc then i would be willing todo that , because people always say life is too short , and i know for a fact that if he came up with the " formula " every single person on this forum would go and get it , i know nobody will admit it but you would

( ok im ready for the maddness to begin lol )

[pharaoh43]

I found another video on this subject, check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU