Religion & Afterlife

[Lucius]

I was just wondering what kind of religion you people you belief,or at least which one is comes closest,as I think we all have our ideas..for example I consider myself closest to Buddhism..but with alot of my own ideas..for example I believe in reincarnation..but this proces doesnt go on forever,when a soul is born from the cosmos(god,everything, whatever you wish to call it) they first exist as a universal substance such as water or air, or earth(sand/soil) ,eventually they have enough experience to try a more complicated life form, like a leaf from a tree, which then becomes a small plant,then a tree going trough several flora forms until the soul is strong enough to finnaly take an animal form..after going trough several animal forms a soul can finnaly become human.
During the human stage a soul actually has a free will(more then when animal) and thus can make mistakes..

Accoring to my belief a soul goes trough several human stages and must learn and experience everything(poverty,ignorance,love,hatred and so on) and take everything as a lesson until they finnaly learned everything and become close to "perfect" (100% perfect is non-existant) you could call this Enlightment,nirvana,or reaching your personal heaven, but its all the same, eternal peace and rest in your own mind remerged with the cosmos(you would live the for you perfect world,examle no war,no raism,no materialism and so on..) .
But some souls actually never reach this state because they are simply to ignorant and foolish and not wish to evolve anymore(think your common materialistic dickhead or superplaya) .. when souls go real wrong they might deevolve into a bad condition(like being reborn in poor parts of africa,or even become an animal)..

This is what I belief and this will go on forever,I also belief that the planet might have been destroyed multiple times(humans destroy themselves) and healed by the cosmos to start over again an try again to be ultimately whiped again by themselves..which near i think to happen again,several 100rds of years perhaps? or mabey even less..

Well this is about what I belief in a tiny nutshell..so what do you people belief?

[azwe_echo]

I believe anything is possible.
I could end it there, but being me...I just have to elaborate.

I've lived a typical American life in a Christian family, particularly my dad's side. But my thing isn't necessarily that I don't believe Christianity is real, it's more that I just don't feel anything for Christianity. I know people that would swear on their beliefs that God changed their life. I've tried to fit into what my dad has taught me, but part of what defines religion for me is the ability to so firmly believe in something that you're willing to live by and for it..this belief is what makes it real..but I just can't find that in Christianity, or anywhere for that matter. But I would say Buddhism is closest to my beliefs as well. The only real difference may be that I'm not sure about the afterlife yet.
I can only say for sure that I believe everything is energy, and this energy can transcend everything. But, I haven't really experienced anything that proves anything yet. I believe there is other intelligent life in the universe, for us to think otherwise tells me that there's actually more-intelligent life; I believe ghosts are real; I believe words are words and cursing isn't going to decide fate..speaking of, I don't believe in pre-determined fate or destiny. I do believe the energy that makes up everything can transcend everything and sometimes things happen that seem destined to be..and I think this might have to do with energy transcending to a higher power (one thing religions have in common is some "higher power")..but life is still a harmonial balance of what we do and what our energy does. It's very important to me that I do things for the right reasons. What you do doesn't matter as much as why do you it. When I was younger, I decided to make sure I focus on doing everything for the right reasons, as well as what I do. I try very hard to never regret anything, everything is an experience and helps make us who we are. I believe if it is my duty to live a certain way, it should be made clear to me, otherwise I'm just going to do what fascinates me and enjoy life as much as I can.

EDIT: Sometimes I do feel strangely compelled..perhaps by a higher power. But most of what I get a feeling of is feminine, like a goddess. I have a definite drive to better myself. It's very important to me to be able to live for myself, just being who I am. I don't think it's right for someone to go through life and see other people that they'd rather be. I believe if you can't live just for yourself then you'll never find anything else to live for. It's hard to explain, but it could almost seem materialistic or shallow that I sometimes dwell on this...but in actuality, the reason I dwell on who I am is because I have to feel like me on the inside and out...which, to me, is deeper than the reasons people go through life not worrying about who they are. I guess it all comes down to my belief that, in the end, you can only be sure of yourself...you only have yourself. You are the only thing that will be there from your beginning to your end...and it's important to be able to inspire your own happiness. But ironically, it's when you reach this point that you will no longer depend on it, because you will likely find something else inspiring to live for. And it's great to find and have that something. Then again, as I said, you can't be sure that you'll always have that "something else"...which is why all this is important to me.

[Silver Sphere]

I try not to take the existence of anything that can't be proven for granted. I was raised Christian but I guess it didn't really take.

[Serinanth]

Ok... heres the deal.
I think its good for us to talk about what we beleive, it may enlighten somone else , and you might learn something as well..

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[size=24]There will be <span style="color:red">NO

The moment that happens this thread will be locked and or deleted.

I dont have much time right now, I will post some of what I beleive a little later... I will say that my thoughts are close to yours lucius.

[Lucius]

I am no person that says my god is better then yours as i belief everybody should belief what he wants,because look at what kinda situations that kinda attitude creates,almost all wars are about religion, whatever you believe what kind of god makes you go to war and slaughter innocent people..

I personally think that life without anykind of faith/believe just isnt worth anything at all,I feel rather worthless if I know I will simply disapear when I die..

As for God,in the end we actually are our own gods..but THE god according to me is like I said not a person, but everything,the cosmos.So you could better refer to him,as it. It is what we are all born from and it is what we shall all return to..(yet again according to me) when we do so we would live like..an ethernal lucid dream sort to speak..
But some people refuse to believe anything at all and it think thats a pity.

When we are talking about christians i'd say its a pretty good religion..because if everybody was a loyal christian we would have realised world peace(then again if everybody believe the same..whatever,would it happen aswell)
But there a just certain things about Christianity that is just wrong,their laws are way to strict and utterly rediculous,because why would a unbaptised child burn in hell because of the mistake its parents made..,like a baby is not baptised and he dies at age 1, would he be punished then? accoring to them yes, thats just one of the many errors in their ways,yet again I do not wish to offend anybody but thats just the way I look at it..the bible also jsut twisted around many things jezus actually never said..and in the past the church even aske money from people to be forgiven from their sins(now what kind of idea is that)

Also some other rather old fashioned idea is just dispise is the christians attitude towards certain groups of people like gays and lesbians(im not one but I respect other people) ,i think when two people love eachother what else matters..just another example..

Another thing I dont like is the constant treathening of people telling them they burn in hell if they do this or dont do that..just dont agree with it all..

Please anybody tell me if im offending you,ill delete it all..but this is just the way I feel..

EDITED: I wasnt bashing anybodies beliefs now was I? Else please dont delete the topic! :o I mean its just that there are certain things I simply cannot agree with..are there actually some christians here? if so mabey that would give interesting(friendly) convos

[jill1978]

I dont think it's possible to say one god is better, we all have the same god no matter what you may call it.....I do agree with the past posts 100% I was brought up christian(like 99% of america) but I think my parents never even bought into it, it was just the right thing to do to send me to religion classes and be baptised ect....I agree that it feels right that life or lives would be a process of learning, and maybe we work our way up to different lifeforms many universes away from earth...I've always thought of it this way god is part of us all, we are all pieces of one whole, so god is perfecting itself through us.
I also think the next steps in human evelution will bring us closer to all these subtle energies we really beleive are there, but cant prove like ghosts, and esp...I think some of us are more intune with these energies.

[Second Attention]

Well if your me, it's really an irrelevent thing to argue about because I believe all gods/goddesses are the same, just as we are all part of God and God is in everything. Gods/goddesses are all just a different face of the same infinite being that we are all a part of. I'm a pantheist, but I generally refer to my belief in everything being a part of the infinite as being part of God because it's just a lot better communicated that way, I've come to learn. That is the foundation of my system of beliefs, another way to put it would be the holographic universe theory. To make a hologram one must use two lasers to etch an image into a glass/crystal/whatever. Now, when you shine one laser at the image etched in the object it will recreate the hologram. Now, the interesting part. If you cut a small piece of the glass/crystal off, and then shine a laser through, it will still recreate the whole hologram, ie, the information for the whole image is stored in ever single piece of a hologram. Now, compare that to the universe, life, DNA, and all that. I believe that every single piece of this universe is a piece of the infinite, or God, and therefore has all the information pertaining to the rest of the universe. We just have not learned to interpret everything we see/feel/know. Just a couple ways of interpreting it. Although, I think religion has become sort of impertinent in the coming days of the Fall, simply because we need action and action on a scale never before heard of and we need to dissolve all our hatreds and fears and prejudices to come together and fight for the same ideal, FREEDOM. I'll have to explain an interesting experiment at some point... but I don't have time now.

[Seeker]

The existance of god and the afterlife has been a troublesome point for me. I am an engineer and therefore know quite a bit about science.
I have had all of the critical thinking classes when in college. Here goes:
Being a scientific person, I have a lot of difficulty in accepting things that cannot be proven with the scientific method. I have trouble swallowing psychic stuff, OBEs, eternal life, and god.
But being an engineer, I know that highly complex systems do not come into being by themselves. There is no way that evolution could have produced such a rich ecosystem as on Earth, even in the 20 billion years the universe has been present.
I also know that entropy is a real force in the universe and that systems degenerate over time.
So from a scientific point of view, god cannot exist. But looking at it from an engineers point of view, this could not have existed unless god had created it.

As for personal beliefs, I was raised Christian, and do believe in god on some level. I also know that the other religeons of the world have much to offer, like Buddhism. These two play well together when you consider how to conduct yourself in daily activities. However, they are at odds somewhat in spiritual matters and the afterlife.

[azwe_echo]

Originally posted by Lucius+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lucius)</div>But there a just certain things about Christianity that is just wrong,their laws are way to strict and utterly rediculous...[/b]

I agree. In many cases, everything I want to be and enjoy would mean being a bad follower of a lot of religions.

<!--QuoteBegin-Second Attention
I believe that every single piece of this universe is a piece of the infinite, or God, and therefore has all the information pertaining to the rest of the universe. We just have not learned to interpret everything we see/feel/know.

That's kinda like what I was saying about our energy. Its transcend throughout, I believe, is what binds everything to everything. I also agree that "God" is more of an absolute, like the entire cosmos/universe, rather than some being that has an unexplained higher position.

[hysteria]

I'm not even going to get into it. if you want to know what I believe THAT BAD, PM me. in fact, I'm not coming back to this thread. I think Seri should delete it.

[Seeker]

Such a strong reaction! Bad childhood memories Paperdoll? :(

[Lucius]

Why should it be deleted, its an interesting thing to talk about and I think religion and lucid dreams can blend pretty well..

[Seeker]

Originally posted by Lucius
Why should it be deleted, its an interesting thing to talk about and I think religion and lucid dreams can blend pretty well..

Especially since in the Lucid world, you are essentially a god. :D

[Second Attention]

Paperdoll: There won't be getting out of hand in this, Seri already said that. If you would like to express your views, I don't believe anyone here will have any problem with that. Just thought I would say so, since I was mainly the one whom instigated trouble in this sort of discussion last time(sort of). Any ways... feel free to say what you wish, Seri already pointed out there will be no arguments or flame wars in this thread, or it will get shut down. Though... your beliefs and opinions are your own, so if you feel they should be kept to pms, then I think we will all respect that decision.

[Lucius]

Especially since in the Lucid world, you are essentially a god. [/b]

I suppose to a certain altitude we are gods in our lucids yes,but of course there is still much to achieve,as there is always

[hysteria]

(ok, so I came back.)

I just know I could not share my beliefs without including some of the crap people have said in here. personally, I only read a few lines and it made my blood boil. I think some of you push out religions without knowing enough about them, you say well that's too "-----" for me, no couldn't follow that because I heard "------". It makes me SICK. anyway I'm not going to go on, there is no point I will eventually start bashing peope or something...I am after all the 'big goth bitch'. so if you want to hear from me then send me a PM.

[Lucius]

Paperdoll, if I somehow offended you in anyway then please say so,I dont mean to offend anybody im just stating my opinion,and its obvious you dont agree,so why dont you just tell me why im completely wrong here,thats why the topic is here,i wanna hear about others people opinions,im an open mind and respect all religions and beliefs but that doesnt mean I agree with them,it would be boring if we'd all agree,but if you dont wanna share thats no problem,then lets leave it at this then..

[icedawg]

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[Serinanth]

....*looks around*
I guess, we are unlocked...

Lucius just be carefull what you write, if I were a christian I would have found what you said about the religion a tad irksome like paperdoll did, saying that some of their basic tennants is ridiculous is kinda harsh no matter what you beleive.

Lets try this... Speak of what you beleive, not the faults that you see in other religions beleifs, I think if we can stick to that we should be all set?

Sound good to you guys? if not just wing a tomatoe at me... wait no.. nevermind that, last time I said that I got a face fulla tomato.... and yes I just spelled it both ways...=P


Seeker.. I have a little experiment for you to try... some things are NOT provable by scientific methods and yet they exist...

All of you... as you read this you are listening to a voice in your head, if you know me, it might even sound like me at the moment, if not, it could be the normal voice you hear that is your thoughts.
This voice, your thoughts, prove to me that it exists, prove without doubt and with hard evidence that this voice in your head actually exists. It does not matter that I know its there, because I too can hear this voice...we wont get into what is actually listening to the voice to hear it right now.

If you hook up an EEG to the brain (think its EEG or is it EKG) or better yet an fMRI when you think the brain shows activity... when you think the same thing a few moments later, there is again activity but according to the readout its slightly different, sure the same area is active, but its never the same.. why not? why dosent thinking the same words in your mind always produce the same actvity in the brain?

So with that you cannot tie your thoughts to exact brain functinality and activity...

So prove to me that that little voice is there, if you do you get a cookie.
Remember no assumption, just kuz I know its there and everyone else that is aware of self knows its there, dosent mean it is...

Or does it?

[Tim]

all i know is that i dont know nothing

[A Lost Soul]

Originally posted by Serinanth

So prove to me that that little voice is there, if you do you get a cookie.
Remember no assumption, just kuz I know its there and everyone else that is aware of self knows its there, dosent mean it is...

Or does it?
I answer your question with one of my own, Mr. Scientistman: how can you prove that you are actually there? How do I know for sure, being one aware of Self, that you actually exist? Everything to everyone is real, because that's what they perceive. It's like you said before about two people looking at the same object, but seeing different things. Which one is real?

As for religion and stuff, I'm a bit strange in that department. I don't really like giving religion a name, but it's how our mind can organize things. I have my own set of beliefs but I also respect yours. I'm pagan, for lack of a better term. I believe in a god and a goddess, but I also understand and respect that my god and goddess are not yours. Just as your god (or goddess) is not mine. For example, take Christianity since that's such a prominent religion. If you ask two Christians what 'god' feels like to them, I'm almost certain they will answer differently. Why? Because religion, no matter how mainstream, is a personal thing. One Christian may worship in a different way than another. This world would be a much better place if we could all just realize and respect that. I believe that all religions are intertwined somehow. I mean, no offense to anyone, but it kind of bothers me when a Christian friend of mine constantly tells me that I and a billion other people on this earth are going to hell because we don't conform to his idea of religion. That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Condemning all the Muslims, all the Jews, all the Buddhists and Zoroastrians, so on and so on, just because they don't conform to one person or group's point of view?

I don't know... maybe I'm just ranting in a post-traumatic haze (they set the bone in my foot today... ouch freaking ouch) but I hold strong to my belief that religion is--and should be--a personal thing. So there. :wink:

[Lucius]

I have to say I agree with Lost Soul about the Condemning thing..but I probaly shouldnt say that lol..but really I think we should all develope our own beliefs..and another time i say, I respect all religions but that doesnt mean I agree with them..anyway..shouldnt say that either.. :shock:

*head cracks*

Ill just shut up..

[Seeker]

The one thing that has bothered by about this thread was intolerance.
Like you Lucius, I have my beliefs. They will change only when I am ready for them to change, not because someone is in my face trying to tell me how wrong they are.

I like to discuss, compare and contrast different ethos and religeons. Occasionally, I will pick a piece of fruit from one belief or another and incorporate it into my system of beliefs.
True, mine does look like a patchwork quilt to some people, but it is mine :)

[evangel]

Originally posted by Tim
all i know is that i dont know nothing

The more you know, the more you know you DON'T know!!!!!!!!!! :!: :hrm:

[A Lost Soul]

Originally posted by Seeker
Occasionally, I will pick a piece of fruit from one belief or another and incorporate it into my system of beliefs.
Just don't pick that damned apple from the tree in the middle of Eden.

(sorry, probably a joke in bad taste but I couldn't resist) :lol:

[Stalker]

I don't believe in any god/godess but I guess I have certain beliefs anyway picked from different religions and something-else-that-i-don't-remember-what-it's-called. I think I have taken most from zen and existentialism.

"Some people wonder why a perfect God would create a universe with so much evil in it. These people miss the greater conundrum: Why would a perfect God create a universe at all?"
-Terry L. Smith

[Seeker]

Originally posted by A Lost Soul
Just don't pick that damned apple from the tree in the middle of Eden.


:) But I LIKE forbidden fruit! :)
Don't you?

[A Lost Soul]

Originally posted by Seeker+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Seeker)</div><!--QuoteBegin-A Lost Soul
Just don't pick that damned apple from the tree in the middle of Eden.


:) But I LIKE forbidden fruit! :)
Don't you?[/b]

Unofrtunately, Seeker...

YES

Learned my lesson though.

[Seeker]

not to be nosey, but I'd like to hear about it. You can PM me if you'd like to talk....

[Serinanth]

I suppose we are all a little like ferrets, we all want the shiny yellow screwdriver that we arent allowed to have, or even better the krinkly red bag of doritos.

I can prove I am actually here to me, not to you, untill

*poke*

quit it

*poke*

Quit IT

*poke*

QUIT IT

*poke*

OK OK you exist!

:D

Muahahaha.

Now proving that I have that little voice in my head, like I said I cannot do.

[Seeker]

It's OK to have the little voices in your head, as long as you don't always do what they tell you!

:sniper:

[A Lost Soul]

I would think that proving its non-existance would be more difficult. Everyone hears that little voice. It's just how we work. Another interesting question would be this: Is anyone here bilingual? If so, what language do you think in?

[Seeker]

I am not bilingual, but have spent enough time in Germany that I often catch myself thinking in German!
What is even stranger is when you are dreaming in German!

[Seeker]

I was just remembering, one of the goals in meditation is to get the little voice to shut up and just be!
Not very easy, I've only been able to do it a few times!

[Lucius]

I think in both Dutch,Italian and English..interesting ey,I was born and raised in the Netherlands,my father was Italian so i speak Italian aswell but I dealed with alot of english people troughout my life,have family in the states as well..I dont know..it just mixes..it depends..on the situation I gues..when I get really pissed I think and swear Italian..when im actually thinking I do english and when im bored or not actiely thinking I do dutch..but i dont think its normal for a dutch/italian to think in english :P

[Seeker]

I think you are hitting on an interesting area. Some things are just easier to think of in other languages.
I know that the syntax of German, Dutch, and I suppose all of the germanic set lends itself to solving logical type problems.
Perhaps the romance languages like Italian and French are better suited to expressing emotions, art, and philosphical ideas?

[A Lost Soul]

Oh man! When I dream-regress into a previous life, everything is in Japanese! My thoughts and thought process, my speech, other people's speech, written words, etc. And I understand it all perfectly! Then I wake up and I'm like... what the hell did I just say? I get so frustrated because I can't accurately log those dreams--and those are some of the most important ones to me. Once awake, I can't understand anything that was said. I have to induce a state of conscious regression in order to remember anything, but even then I'm only remembering the events of the life, not the events of my dream.

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Seeker
I know that the syntax of German, Dutch, and I suppose all of the germanic set lends itself to solving logical type problems.
Perhaps the romance languages like Italian and French are better suited to expressing emotions, art, and philosphical ideas?

You could be right about that..

[Seeker]

LS,

Wow, I've never tried that before! I bet it is reall funky! In your dreams, how much of a previous life did you experience?
Childhood, Adulthood, have any kids?

[Lucius]

I never tried it either,seems very interesting to have a go at!

[Seeker]

One more thing to add to my list of things to try to remember to do in LDs.

(man, that sentance would probably be better in Italian!)

[Lucius]

Una più cosa di aggiungere al mio elenco di cose per tentare e ricorda in el sogni lucidi

Uhh I think..my normal Italian aint all that good(I mostly swear hehe)

[Lucius]

Also..

Du hat gesagt..Sie sprechen auch etwas Deutsch..Ich habe gelimitierd Deutsch gelernd auf das highschool..also,ich kann verstehe was su sagt..uhh or something like that..lol

[Seeker]

Meine Deutch sehr schlect ist. Arbeite fuer Siemens und speche Technish, und fuer malten im Der Gasthaus!
Eine wort I spreche gut: Sheisse!

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Seeker
Eine wort I spreche gut: Sheisse!

:lol:

[A Lost Soul]

Originally posted by Seeker
LS,

Wow, I've never tried that before! I bet it is reall funky! In your dreams, how much of a previous life did you experience?
Childhood, Adulthood, have any kids?
I would say childhood and early adulthood. I think I was still in my teens when I died; like eighteen or nineteen or something. Maybe I was lucky enough to live to twenty, but I don't know for sure. So I didn't really live long enough to have children. Not to mention I wasn't exactly the most sexually active young lady from what I gather... I was in love twice; one disappeared and I killed the other one. I guess my luck with men carried over into this life. *sigh* :shakehead2:

Oh, but I had a horse though. She was a dappled (think that's the right word) grey with a black mane and tail. Her name was Kaminari. In English, it means 'storm' or 'thunder' or something like that. She was with me in a lot of my regressions. I almost want to say she outlived me! I guess that was the closest thing to a child that I had.

The other dreams I've had regarding past life regression have been much more abbreviated. Basically, I only saw my deaths. Some examples:
-I was pregnant, waiting for my husband to return from war (I don't know which one) and someone shot me.
-I cradled a boy toddler in my arms. We were scared because a god was angry and no one knew why. We were buried under the fires of his wrath. I found out later that was Pompeii. Lovely...
-Another war, fought with guns. I'm guessing it was WW1 but I could be wrong. I was a soldier and I died in battle.
-I was a little kid and drowned. Quick and to the point.

I might have lived a few animal lives in there somewhere too. I vaguely remember what it was like to be a cat. Still, the one that sticks out the most is this one. The dreams started when I was about seven or eight and they were recurring. Extremely recurring. They were unlike any dreams I'd ever had before, even now. They weren't lucid, but they weren't not lucid either. It was more like I was remembering rather than dreaming.

Anyone who hasn't tried past life regression should give it a go. Even if you're a skeptic. It's wild.

[Seeker]

Please fill me in on some of the techniques you used to induce. I am really curious, but have to go now.

Will try to check back in later tonight!

[evangel]

[quote]im an open mind and respect all religions and beliefs but that doesnt mean I agree with them,it would be boring if we'd all agree,[quote]

Well, uhh in your earlier post (which I think Seri alluded to) you were not being respectful of Christianity and Christians by slapping such a wide label on those of us who identify ourselves as Christian... The doctrines you mentioned (infant baptism, tithing, hell, etc.) are viewed (interpretted) a multiplicity of ways by different Christians. It's been my experience that those who for some reason do not like "Christianity" in general have based that dislike on a very limited understanding of Christianity, and more importantly... Christ himself. Instead of truly studying and seeking Truth (which inevitably has rules and consequences), many develop a growing chip on de shoulder based on some kind of limited and outward experience (seeing hypocrisy, or trying to force religious traditions, or "religious experiences" and or seeing abuse of authority) Those who try to understand Christianity based on even years of experience fail to realize that you can't just "try this religion" to see if it fits... To have any sense of the eternal, you can't simply "try" it on because your perspective is too limited that way. Anyway... I could go on and on, but just had to add mine. I hope that those who are still searching will not find God, but be found by Him!

[Lucius]

Evangel,

Im sorry I said those things but I just had to say that,like you had say this,but im glad your not going berserk and just give me a counter argument which is good.

First,you say I do not know Christ.Well then you must know I dont believe christ was the son of God because God is not a person but god is everything,god is the cosmos,God is all around you thus he cannot really have children.But on the other hand we are all souls born from the the eternal which I refer to as the cosmos,so we are all his childeren(and souls have no real sex)

I think Jezus Christ did exist though,but not as the son of God.I think he was like,many other great religious heros/profets,a very old soul with alot of wisdom.He had some wise lessons to teach and he did what other people could not do,value the life of others above his own and actually step up to the evil of society.Therefore I think Jezus was an highly evolved soul which has now remerged with the everlasting,he was a very special soul,but not the son of God.

Thats what I think about Jezus,please,tell me what you think..

[Stalker]

Originally posted by evangel
I hope that those who are still searching will not find God, but be found by Him!

Or Her...

[Lucius]

Or no sex..

[hysteria]

Originally posted by Lucius
Or no sex..

bingo.

[Seeker]

Why would god have only male or female attributes?
Looks like for any god to be complete would require both male and female aspects.

Anyone remember that movie with Jimmy Smits and Helen Hunt. In that one god spoke simulataneously with male and female voice.

[hysteria]

interesting. but, according to my personal beliefs as a Christian, God has no sex. but that is just what I believe. I'm not bashing anyone, nor am I saying that all Christiansbelieve that. :roll:

[Seeker]

interesting Paperdoll, reading some of your previous posts, I would have thought you were an antheist.

:) Just an observation, not bashing! :)

[hysteria]

:shock:

[Seeker]

:holyshit:

[hysteria]

stop it you're intimidating me... :lol:

[Lucius]

God doesnt need a sex because God is no person or does it have a form that you can name

:cookiemonster: coookieees

sorry had to do that,lol

[Citizen Erased]

Originally posted by Lucius
God doesnt need a sex because God is no person or does it have a form that you can name

:cookiemonster: coookieees

sorry had to do that,lol

Yeah, that was generally my perception of it, God has no need to reproduce and one of the main reasons we have gender is for reproduction. Hence, having a sex would be a bit redundant. Plus, yeah, God would also have no need for a physical form so again, a gender would be a touch pointless.

[Seeker]

I guess you could look at it that way. A soul is a soul and takes on either male or female attributes depending on whether it lives in a male or female body.
Since god has no body, it cannot take on those attributes.

[azwe_echo]

Originally posted by Seeker
A soul is a soul and takes on either male or female attributes depending on whether it lives in a male or female body.

I don't know who all read my previous post that I'm referring to, but I said that I believe the ideal soul is the right balance of femininity and masculinity...and actually I think femininity should outweigh the masculinity, as femininity is far more attractive to me. Of course this kind of soul defies what Seeker said, which could explain why these kinds of souls are so rare.
I also mentioned feeling a feminine energy...at least when I feel outside energy... then again, maybe that's why I think all this because I, myself, am in touch with my feminine side and somewhat fit this description... :? ...gee, this has all the makings of the worst post ever... :|

Yay! 50 posts!

[Seeker]

I think that most mature people have managed to balance their masculine and femine sides.
This is especially true for the older souls.
I don't know how true it is, but I feel ancient, and I recognize the same in my 11 year old son. My wifes also 'feels' very ancient.
Now, my daughter, thats another story. I think this is her souls first try at being human!

[hysteria]

:lol:


...but really...why would anyone want to call themselves human.....humans are sick.

[Lucius]

I also think all humans are deep inside and born bi-sexually.
I think its just the way society is thinking that makes you straight,but there are some people that just ignore that and become gay/lesbian or bi.
In the end bi sexuality is the best thing as the only thing that really matters is love,and wheter you fall in love with a man or a woman,it doesnt matter(as we are all the same as a soul),the love is all that matters. But I suppose opinions differ on that,but for all those people that say like ieeeeeuww sex with the same sex,picture this:

What if you were born and raised on an island were gay sexuality was the most common thing in the world,were gay people just walked around and straight people were considered filty,would you still be straight?

Then is the question,what would you be if you were born and raised on an empty island..lets say by animals(and no dont tellme tarzan was straight because well tis a stupid story :-P )

[hysteria]

What if you were born and raised on an island were gay sexuality was the most common thing in the world,were gay people just walked around and straight people were considered filty,would you still be straight? [/b]

well, I'd be happy that I was even *born*. If homosexuality got more and more acceptance, It'd be the end of humanity.

Then is the question,what would you be if you were born and raised on an empty island..lets say by animals[/b]

well, let's see. the island is empty? that would also be the end of humanity. let's say there was one other person, male or female, and you were gay. hmm? what's that? oh. end of humanity.


I *personally* think that being 'gay' is RIDICULOUS. it's....wrong. look at a man and a woman. there are parts that fit. look at a man and man, woman and woman...no. it's not right. you need a male and a female to reproduce. that's how it works. otherwise...well..living is futile.

with that said, let me point something out. I do not *hate* gays, lesbians, and bis. It is my job as a Christian to love all people. I simply disagree with what they do.

[Lucius]

Well, i gues thats your opinion, but I suppose alot of christians think that way.I personally think that we should accept it and I am perfectly fine with gay/lesbian/bi sexual people.It really sint ridiculous,if two people love eachother...what does it matter that it *fits* , as I said before our souls have no sex anyway..its just how it *looks* , what do *looks* really matter when it comes to *love* between TWO SOULS not a man and a woman or a man and man

[Lucius]

Also about the end of humanity answers,I know it coulnt really be that way because if everbody was gay/lesbian it would eventually be the end yes, im just saying what IF it was possible..

[Seeker]

Look at our nearest cousins in the animal kingdom.
Chimps and Bonobo's

Both are bi-sexual, especially Bonobo's, they are very promiscuous.

[wasup]

What if you were born and raised on an island were gay sexuality was the most common thing in the world,were gay people just walked around and straight people were considered filty,would you still be straight? *

[/b]
Yes

[hysteria]

:lol: oh yeah.. 8)

[Citizen Erased]

Originally posted by Lucius
I also think all humans are deep inside and born bi-sexually.
I think its just the way society is thinking that makes you straight,but there are some people that just ignore that and become gay/lesbian or bi.
In the end bi sexuality is the best thing as the only thing that really matters is love,and wheter you fall in love with a man or a woman,it doesnt matter(as we are all the same as a soul),the love is all that matters. But I suppose opinions differ on that,but for all those people that say like ieeeeeuww sex with the same sex,picture this: *

What if you were born and raised on an island were gay sexuality was the most common thing in the world,were gay people just walked around and straight people were considered filty,would you still be straight?

Then is the question,what would you be if you were born and raised on an empty island..lets say by animals(and no dont tellme tarzan was straight because well tis a stupid story *:-P )

Sorry but from my view point that's flawed logic. I have gay friends and have no problem with it, it's not relevant to our friendship, being gay is normal to me (in the sense that some people like the same sex), I'm also very much in touch with my femanine side so I think it's invalid to say I'm staight because of some sort of macho social conditioning. I simply don't find men attractive, being a horny teenager if I found a sexual attraction to someone else, regardless of gender, trust me, I'd be ripping my belt off in seconds. I simply don't feel any attraction to other men. The way I see homosexuality is a reflex of nature. We've overcrowded this planet and trampled all over it, as soon as we evolved beyond our basic instincts we've become a threat in terms of overpopulation, it's one of the problems with becoming so mentally advanced (in relation to other forms of life), you find more and more ways of surviving and proglonging your life and reproducing in huge numbers. As a result, in order to keep the population at a steady constant instead of blowing up even further, nature has created some people who prefer the same sex. As has been mentioned, more intelligent animals tend to display signs of homosexuality. It seems to me to be some sort of natural safeguard built into every race that starts to exhibit signs of becoming *too* preficiant at survival. Anyway, that's just my thoery that I've come up with and each too his own, I've been rambling for far too long.

[hysteria]

http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/p/pissed.gif

*notgoingtosayanythingnotgoingtosayanything*

*that's it, deep breaths...*

[Serinanth]

Looks beyond the physical, the spirit has no parts that fit.
Reproduction has nothing to do with it, granted you are right, without it, humanity would not survive... and the physical bodys only purpose is to reproduce and pass on a part of itself. The sprits purpose is to grow and learn about itself and existance. Its like we are two separate things with different agendas

[hysteria]

gah, nevermind....just have sex with whatever you want. human, animal, inanimate object, it doesn't matter anymore...

[wasup]

Well since this is a religion thing, with afterlife, why do thigns that I read say that being in animal in your next life is a BAD thing??? I think it would be fucking sick to be an animal. I just don't want to be a bug or some hunted animal or an animal in a bad place (for animals) (like New York, A ZOOO!!!! I would hate to be an animal in a zoo) . If I could be some sort of hawk then that would be awesome!!! Your day would be awesome, wake up, fly, eat, fly, sleep. And every once in a while you can get your funk on... I heard that hawks have sex in the air while flying...

Anyway, I beleive what I want to beleive. I wasn't really raised religiously. I don't go to church. Basically, I beleive that there is like umm... how should I describe this... one god for all of us who watches us and is like your own personal Karma, which I also beleive in. Or maybe just one super intelligent god that can comprehend all of us and our lifes and thoughts at the same time...
Also, some movies telling about god kind of dissapoint me in a way... like how in that movie bruce almighty it's annoying how they make it so that god doesn't listen to you and crap... whatever...

Today sucked kinda, I didn't want to do my homework last night so I did it in study hall. The FUCKING computer deleted it somehow right when I finished. I did it again, and GUESS WHAT!!!??? It deleted it. I opened the program and there was a back up file thingey so I was happy, it wasn't completely done but I was still happy. The teacher thought it was neat. I'm just gonna "rant" here so nobody has to read it. My teacher is an ignorant bitch!! Lol! I was talking to someone on AIm and when I told her that she said "Ya I know she should go fuck herself" I said "She would if she could" She said "Ya that's the funny thing" Also, a kid told her that his parents were moving out and he has to move in with someone else. She beleived it. Not one of those "I'm a good teacher so I'm gonna act stupid so my students can like me" beleiveign things but she actually beleived it.

Yoah man, I just relized that this was a pretty long post and I got really off topic, THIS IS FUN!!!

Oh and to answer your question...

Then is the question,what would you be if you were born and raised on an empty island..lets say by animals(and no dont tellme tarzan was straight because well tis a stupid story *)[/b]
I would fuck monkeys.

Lol that would be nasty, but if it hasss to come to that...

Hahah I wrote ass>>>>>>>>>^^^^

Lol, I'm weird...

[hysteria]

:roll:

[Citizen Erased]

I don't think there'd be anything wrong with being a bug, you'd accept it as perfectly normal. There could be higher beings looking down on us going 'I'd hate to be a human, it's so sick' but we don't think much of it.

[hysteria]

hey, I am a human and I hate humans... :roll:

[wasup]

So you're saying you'd rather be an ant than a hawk... seriously!

[hysteria]

actually I'm saying I'm pretty misanthropic...oh, and I don't believe in reincarnation either.

[Citizen Erased]

Originally posted by wasup
So you're saying you'd rather be an ant than a hawk... seriously!

There are certain things about both that would be good. A hawk, like you said, can fly and generally carry it's self so gracefully. Plus, they generally look extremelly cool no matter what they're doing, they're the Mr T of the bird world. But being an ant, in all seriousness, I imagine would be extremely fullfilling, being part of a hive mind like that would give the biggest sense of purpose and reason, something most people don't have. That's why I believe in reincarnation, we're collecting a range of experience. For what, I don't know, I don't think my human mind could comprehend it but for me, it's there none the less.

[wasup]

I'm weird in the religion area... at different times I beleive in either going to heaven and stuff and at other times I beleive in the reincarnation... the only problem is, since at one point when I joined this forum, I relized that if there is reancarnation, then this wouldn't be my first life, which I beleived... I think it would suck to not know you lived another life. And btw, I'm half christian and half jewish... lol

[evangel]

[quote]
im glad your not going berserk and just give me a counter argument which is good.
First,you say I do not know Christ.Well then you must know I dont believe christ was the son of God because God is not a person but god is everything,god is the cosmos,God is all around you thus he cannot really have children.But on the other hand we are all souls born from the the eternal which I refer to as the cosmos,so we are all his childeren(and souls have no real sex)[quote]

Firstly, going berserk never accomplishes anything good. :) Secondly, I never said you "don't know Christ"... But I do believe he knows you -and better than you know yourself... Your view of "what" God is sounds very much like Hindu or Buddhist "definitions." (I put this in parantheses 'cause no one can define God fully) I do believe that Christ is the Son of God. question is, what does that mean? He was also called "The Son of Man," "The Word" of God, "Immanuel" (God with us or among us), "The Alpha and Omega," "The Mighty God,"Savior,"... He had several titles which ultimately all point to his divine nature (as opposed to human nature which is in a fallen state). He never explicitly called himself God, though he condoned and allowed himself to be called such by his disciples and others... As for God being a "person"... I believe in the trinity which is a doctrine of the Old and New Testaments (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit). Three Persons. One God. Does this mean he is confined to being a "he"? Not at all. Like Paperdoll alluded to, most Christians I know believe that God is far beyond our definitions or linguistic efforts to understand Him. -but I also believe that in order to have a real relationship with him (both individually, and more specifically as a body of believers), he has revealed attributes of his "personality in order for us to understand him and "know" Him. He loves, he has compassion, he saves, he creates like a potter, he speaks, etc. I belive he is also just. In order to relate to God on an intimate (personal) level or as you aptly put it: to "know Christ" we have to have an intimate knowledge (faith) of who He is as He has revealed himself to us. Why do I refer to Him as him rather than "it" or some other vague term? Because I believe I know him even more than I know most human beings -because he lives inside of me. He is not vague or distant or so far above us that he does not reach down to us in his mercy and kindness. I believe that man was CREATED (not born or "reproduced") first before woman -and no, this does not make men better or superior or anything of the sort -Referring to Him as "him" is a way of relating to God personally and intimately. Maybe it is partly because men are usually thought of in more dominant roles,
-this speaks of God's authority or dominion over creation... Why some people believe or try to justify that men are better than women or vice versa I do not know. I know that certain roles have been ordered just as there is order in everything -even seemingly chaotic or unjust things... whew! Anyway, sorry this is so long. I hope this cleared up something as to where I stand. I would encourage and challenge anyone to study the scriptures -and not simply with the purpose of head knowledge, but hopefully with the intent of seeking Christ "in Spirit and in Truth." WHEW!
:reading:

[hysteria]

^^^^ I pretty much believe everything he said.

[Lucius]

I didnt.. :shock:

But I highly respect your beliefs Angel(and PaperDoll) ,like I said before I do not agree,but I do respect.Im glad but we could have a nice exchange of belief without bashing eachtother,

Everbody must believe what he wants to,be who he wants to be,fuck who he wants to fuck,love who he wants to love,as long as he/she doesnt hurt his fellow men (either physical or mental ways) (or animal) and doesnt bring any negative effects on the planet... :teeth:

[Silver Sphere]

Originally posted by Lucius

Everbody must believe what he wants to,be who he wants to be,fuck who he wants to fuck,love who he wants to love,as long as he/she doesnt hurt his fellow men (either physical or mental ways) (or animal) and doesnt bring any negative effects on the planet... :teeth:

Hmmm, not sure if I agree with you there. :wink: