DV Quotes

[Goldney]

Can I just say ha-ha at the DV quotes topic and all the crap that went on inside it, including the idiots who got it locked in the first place. You know who you are, even those who thought they were doing good were just throwing petrol on the bonfire, myself included. It was the biggest farce ever and I applaud you Burns for having the courage to close all that down.





Lulz.

[cuddleyperson]

... i did bad, only post was a rant at JD cos he annoyed me. I RUINED EVERYTHING!!:(:(:(

NO MORE LUGS OR CUDDLES OR HUGS OR SNUGGLES OR ANYTHING FOR ME!!!!!:(:(:embarrassed::embarrassed::oops:

[Adam]

I think maybe the post should be split - move all the crap out of there and split that half into a new thread here in senseless - or just delete it, because to be fair is was a load of bullshit for the last couple of pages!

[Mes Tarrant]

I second the notion to just delete the last like... 5 pages, and restore the thing to what it was supposed to be. And perhaps create a separate thread for DV quotes thread comments, like we have with the pictures thread.

And I'm just as guilty as anyone else. :( I should have just ignored ze bastards (who I still love) and their lack of funniness. *lesson learned*

[legs2021]

I think maybe the post should be split - move all the crap out of there and split that half into a new thread here in senseless - or just delete it, because to be fair is was a load of bullshit for the last couple of pages!

I second the notion to just delete the last like... 5 pages, and restore the thing to what it was supposed to be. And perhaps create a separate thread for DV quotes thread comments, like we have with the pictures thread.

And I'm just as guilty as anyone else. :( I should have just ignored ze bastards (who I still love) and their lack of funniness. *lesson learned*

I THIRD THAT MOTION!!! Can we get a vote??

[NeAvO]

... i did bad, only post was a rant at JD cos he annoyed me. I RUINED EVERYTHING!!:(:(:(

NO MORE LUGS OR CUDDLES OR HUGS OR SNUGGLES OR ANYTHING FOR ME!!!!!:(:(:embarrassed::embarrassed::oops:Just out of curiosity who are you and did you even post in the thread?

[cuddleyperson]

aye neavo i did, last page. Joey then a 11 and 22 then 3. I spaced that out in case my "friend" is again looking for mention of my username. Idiot invaded my privacy, i had to change it. At least now i can make something about me obvious.

[KuRoSaKi]

Lulz we took it to far.......

[Jeff777]

Dude, I feel so bad now...yeah I agree there should be a seperate thread for comments and stuff.

[Jeff777]

Whoever zero essence was, was the straw that broke the camels back xD

[KuRoSaKi]

^ Fooking n00bs.

[Spartiate]

There should be another thread, like DV Quotes 2.0 or something, the current one still has a very bad atmosphere to it...

In any case, there should be a quotes thread, somewhere. The idea of a seperate thread for comments is interesting, but I can`t see how that one would avoid all the same crap... Solution? DON`T QUOTE!!! The idea of quoting should be out of the question unless a truly monumental line of text is written that deserves to be honered by DV for all time. It doesn`t matter if there is only one quote a week, at least everyone can relate to it and, if at all possible, not get offended by it.

[KuRoSaKi]

Some people were over-reacting though. It's all fun and games until someone it takes it to serious.

[ExoByte]

Question: Why was every quote in that thread recently a pathetic attempt to be funny? Not that some weren't funny, but even if all of them were I'd still be asking the same question. Its a quotes thread, what happened to someone actually saying something profound or that someone else took to heart? Something with meaning?

I do have to say though, its sad to see what was once great go down the shitter. I also support the motion to delete the last chunk of it, even if there is anything in those couple pages worth saving.

[Spartiate]

Well we can always have 2 quotes threads. Like DV Quotes and Lewd DV Quotes...

And a JD`s DV quotes for good measure...

[Jeff777]

There should be another thread, like DV Quotes 2.0 or something, the current one still has a very bad atmosphere to it...

In any case, there should be a quotes thread, somewhere. The idea of a seperate thread for comments is interesting, but I can`t see how that one would avoid all the same crap... Solution? DON`T QUOTE!!! The idea of quoting should be out of the question unless a truly monumental line of text is written that deserves to be honered by DV for all time. It doesn`t matter if there is only one quote a week, at least everyone can relate to it and, if at all possible, not get offended by it.

That's been mentioned before and it seems the quoters (I am guilty of this myself) honestly believe the weak sh*t we quote is funny to us...so perhaps the decision of what's funny and what's not shouldn't rest in the quoters hands alone. I propose a solution....

I vote that a thread be started to rate quotes before they're submitted on the DV quotes thread, it is rated by at least 3 people on a 1/10 score scale. If the averaged amount is above 5 then it is worthy of being placed on the quotes thread.

[KuRoSaKi]

Well we can always have 2 quotes threads. Like DV Quotes and Lewd DV Quotes...

And a JD`s DV quotes for good measure...

What a fantastic Idea! I second this motion.

You could even have a "Viewer Discretion Is Advised" tag to warn.

[Spartiate]

That's been mentioned before and it seems the quoters (I am guilty of this myself) honestly believe the weak sh*t we quote is funny to us...so perhaps the decision of what's funny and what's not shouldn't rest in the quoters hands alone.

That`s why I suggested a fresh start, if anyone starts of the new DV Quotes thread with something lame, he will be collectively stoned, and you know it...

[Merlock]

The better separation is: DV Chat quotes and DV Forum quotes.

I myself posted a quote during the recent uprising, it was from the forum, and it was funny/fun and innocent, in the spirit that the thread originated with and survived for ages with.

In essence, aside from DV chat seemingly always being full of unmodest content, it's...chat. Be it chat on the forum, IRC or any other: chat spawns far more "quotable" moments than a forum does and in turn they are less effective but in large amounts.

So, aye, separate the chat and the forum quotes and all shall be at peace once more.

[Mes Tarrant]

I don't like the rating quotes idea. I don't see how it would solve anything if the same 4 people keep voting for quotes that only they think are worthy.

Having a separate thread for discussion of quotes will solve problems, I definitely think. At least if people want to argue about quotes, they can do it without burying the actual quotes.

Yeah I agree that the last few pages (come on people, it was more than just two) can just be deleted without going through them.

Edit: Ooh I like Merlock's idea!

[Jeff777]

I don't like the rating quotes idea. I don't see how it would solve anything if the same 4 people keep voting for quotes that only they think are worthy.

Having a separate thread for discussion of quotes will solve problems, I definitely think. At least if people want to argue about quotes, they can do it without burying the actual quotes.

Yeah I agree that the last few pages (come on people, it was more than just two) can just be deleted without going through them.

Edit: Ooh I like Merlock's idea!

Luckily you're a woman and your opinion is equivalent to beans. JUST KIDDING!! :parapet: I have to say I still support the ratings thread but I can see how the ratings "could" be monopolized by friends of the quoters as you mentioned mes, so I would have to say I'm more in favor of spartiates idea. DV Quotes and Lewd DV Quotes was it?

[Mes Tarrant]

^ :chuckle:

Yeah Spart's or Merlock's idea would work well I think.

:( I really hope this killing of DV quotes sticky isn't permanent.

[KuRoSaKi]

Permanent of course not.

[ExoByte]

Luckily you're a woman and your opinion is equivalent to beans.

Lulz Quotes

[Xox]

Im with Spart and Merlocks idea. But, what are we going to do about the discussion? Make two more threads?

[KuRoSaKi]

1) DV Chat Quotes Thread
2) DV Forum Quotes Thread
3) DV Quotes Discussion Thread


This is what the solution seems like it is going to be.

[Xox]

Hmmm. Well I just hope no one starts arguing and flaming up in the discussion thread then.

[KuRoSaKi]

.

[Jeff777]

1) DV Chat Quotes Thread
2) DV Forum Quotes Thread
3) DV Quotes Discussion Thread


This is what the solution seems like it is going to be.

:woohoo:

[KuRoSaKi]

As long as we don't act like a bunch of "fuckin' tittie baby ass-wipes." I am sure we will be fine. *snickers*.

[Jeff777]

As long as we don't act like a bunch of "fuckin' tittie baby ass-wipes." I am sure we will be fine. *snickers*.

lmao!!

[Oneironaut]

As long as we don't act like a bunch of "fuckin' tittie baby ass-wipes." I am sure we will be fine. *snickers*.

Judging by your inability to resist quoting 'Gh', I won't hold my breath.

We've had the quotes thread there for years, now. We've only just now started having problems with it. The problem was much less the content (though the "posting every single thing that had even the smallest chance of being accepted as 'funny" was annoying, it wasn't the reason the thread was closed), it had more to do with the immaturity and inflammatory things that were being posted, and the way those posts were being received and responded to. There is no amount of "thread-splitting" or "restructuring" that is going to fix that. I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.

[KuRoSaKi]

Judging by your inability to resist quoting 'Gh', I won't hold my breath.

We've had the quotes thread there for years, now. We've only just now started having problems with it. The problem was much less the content (though the "posting every single thing that had even the smallest chance of being accepted as 'funny" was annoying, it wasn't the reason the thread was closed), it had more to do with the immaturity and inflammatory things that were being posted, and the way those posts were being received and responded to. There is no amount of "thread-splitting" or "restructuring" that is going to fix that. I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.

Indeed it is up to the members themselves on a individual basis to behave in a mature manner. To behave in a responsible manner so that we can avoid further problems. I am sure this is what you are referring to?

[Oneironaut]

Yup.

As of now, I don't see that happening, or even a working toward that happening. So talk of splitting up the Quotes section, as if it's going to somehow fix the problem that lead to its closing, isn't really doing any good. The solution has to come from the individuals that had a hand in causing the problem, not a change in the system which continues to allow such problems from those (and those types of) individuals.

[Spartiate]

Judging by your inability to resist quoting 'Gh', I won't hold my breath.

We've had the quotes thread there for years, now. We've only just now started having problems with it. The problem was much less the content (though the "posting every single thing that had even the smallest chance of being accepted as 'funny" was annoying, it wasn't the reason the thread was closed), it had more to do with the immaturity and inflammatory things that were being posted, and the way those posts were being received and responded to. There is no amount of "thread-splitting" or "restructuring" that is going to fix that. I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.

That's why I suggested a "Lewd Quotes" thread, it would be more of a DV pressure outlet than anything else, you could even make it unmoderated if you like. I don't believe it is absolutely necessary to quarantine all chat quotes in their own thread, it would be better just to seperate the filth and the "hehe" funny from the truly hilarious and whatever forum post that is deemed worthy. Also, in my experience, people's attitudes don't change. So I believe the only way we will ever see the light shine on the Quotes thread again is by fixing the system, which is clearly not working right now...

[Oneironaut]

That's why I suggested a "Lewd Quotes" thread, it would be more of a DV pressure outlet than anything else, you could even make it unmoderated if you like. I don't believe it is absolutely necessary to quarantine all chat quotes in their own thread, it would be better just to seperate the filth and the "hehe" funny from the truly hilarious and whatever forum post that is deemed worthy. Also, in my experience, people's attitudes don't change. So I believe the only way we will ever see the light shine on the Quotes thread again is by fixing the system, which is clearly not working right now...

That's not the point.

The point is that posts (quotes/threads/chatlogs/whatever) bashing and or ripping into another DV member are not permitted. Many of the quotes in the DV Quotes thread (as far as I know) have been "lewd." They have been over-the-top and/or of an adult subject matter, yet the thread had pressed on. They were done in good humor, and were permitted.

Where we ran into problems with the current posts in that thread, were that they were quoted and/or expanded-upon as bashing or insulting other DV members. That is not the type of community atmosphere we are trying to endorse, and it's not something that we are going to give a "special place" for.

Many lewd comments/quotes have been allowed in that thread, because they were funny. They were noteworthy. They were non-abrasive and didn't serve the purpose of instigating arguments or bringing a dislike for other members into public. It has nothing to do with "creating a special place" for all of that to happen.

[Spartiate]

Well we can try it out the same way again, but I have a felling we'll just be saying goodbye to the quotes thread :shakehead2:.


Scary thought: With no other place to relieve tensions, will the crap from the quotes thread now infiltrate its way into the rest of the forum :shock:?

[Oneironaut]

Scary thought: With no other place to relieve tensions, will the crap from the quotes thread now infiltrate its way into the rest of the forum :shock:?

Probably, until we get rid of the people that care more about "relieving their tensions" (aka "bitching incessantly") than preserving the community atmosphere that we are trying to promote, here. This forum is not a place for bashing other people, for whatever inadequate reason. If you have a problem with someone, either handle it maturely, privately, or with counsel from one of us. Taking it out into the open has never been something that has been condoned, and I don't think it's going to start now.

[Jeff777]

Where we ran into problems with the current posts in that thread, were that they were quoted and/or expanded-upon as bashing or insulting other DV members. That is not the type of community atmosphere we are trying to endorse, and it's not something that we are going to give a "special place" for.

Woah...I knew it was unethical but I didn't know it wasn't permissable. I should have read the rules :huh::lipssealed::whyohwhy:

[Oneironaut]

Woah...I knew it was unethical but I didn't know it wasn't permissable. I should have read the rules :huh::lipssealed::no:

From the Announcements and Rules section of the forum; posted back in '04:



Be respectful and tolerant of other users.
Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated and will lead to a warning. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all! (thanks mom.) Obviously we'll use discretion in regards to policing this because joking around between friends is certainly permitted. If you have a legitimate complaint about another user, please contact a moderator or administrator.

[ExoByte]

Well we can try it out the same way again, but I have a felling we'll just be saying goodbye to the quotes thread :shakehead2:.


Scary thought: With no other place to relieve tensions, will the crap from the quotes thread now infiltrate its way into the rest of the forum :shock:?

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the system as it is. The system has once again been in place for years. Take the time to actually read the early pages of the Quotes thread. Once again as Oneironaut says, sad that I need to reiterate, its only recently been a problem. The system has been fine and dandy for years, long before many of the people posting in the thread recently even joined DV.

The system is not the problem. As much as it saddens me to say, the community is. When comments like "ass-wipe tittie-babies" and other things said in The Final Straw Comment(as I call it) are posted, theres a huge problem. That is not what our community is supposed to be like, and things like that from people who are supposed to be our community, shouldn't be tolerated nor should the people posting them.

However, as bad as that is, you also have to remember that no one person is to blame here. It was a group effort. When something like that comes up, someone had to of instigated it. It takes two to tango.

Reading back on the thread's early years, you can clearly see everyone got along fine. No one was yelling at each other, bashing each other or ruining something grande. It was a friendly environment. Something has changed, and its not the system. That hasn't changed. The people have. It sadly is the communities fault, or at least a part of it. Sadly a part that consists of people seen here regularly, that the newbies of the forum look up to because of their participation here, which we can clearly see isn't as positive as one would be led to believe.

The rules haven't changed, the system haven't changed. The community has changed. There are two ways for it to be fixed, either the problem gets repaired or it gets removed. Its as simple as that.

My $0.02 (CDN)

[Universal Mind]

Senseless Banter came about because so many threads in other forums degenerated into pure silliness. A solution to the problem of thread degeneration into flaming might be a forum called Senseless Insults. You could put a disclaimer under the forum title that says, "Insult at will and prepare to be insulted if you enter this forum. If you do not want to learn that you are being insulted, do not enter the forum. Do not ever discuss anything said in this forum anywhere outside of this forum."

Or maybe that's not a good idea. :chuckle:

[KuRoSaKi]

Oh dude I have a good idea. Move the DV Quotes thread into senseless banter.

[Universal Mind]

Oh dude I have a good idea. Move the DV Quotes thread into senseless banter.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eMG2SBwIcrM&feature=related

[Clairity]

Senseless Banter came about because so many threads in other forums degenerated into pure silliness. A solution to the problem of thread degeneration into flaming might be a forum called Senseless Insults. You could put a disclaimer under the forum title that says, "Insult at will and prepare to be insulted if you enter this forum. If you do not want to learn that you are being insulted, do not enter the forum. Do not ever discuss anything said in this forum anywhere outside of this forum."

Or maybe that's not a good idea. :chuckle:

Silliness is one thing but I guess I just don't understand the need to insult each other.. and to actually suggest having a thread to insult/possibly hurt other members.. wtf!!

And do you really think that such "insults" won't be leaked outside the forum no matter how strong the disclaimer.

This is supposed to be a "community" forum. You don't have to "hold hands and skip through daisies" together but I expect the members to at least be civil and respectful to each other.

People often ask me why I don't chat and my answer is because I know the types of conversations that can take place in chat. I can hold my own with the best of you but I choose not to go there.. I simply would rather not engage.

O, if the others don't understand what you're trying to say.. I do.. and I agree.

[Universal Mind]

Silliness is one thing but I guess I just don't understand the need to insult each other.. and to actually suggest having a thread to insult/possibly hurt other members.. wtf!!

And do you really think that such "insults" won't be leaked outside the forum no matter how strong the disclaimer.

This is supposed to be a "community" forum. You don't have to "hold hands and skip through daisies" together but I expect the members to at least be civil and respectful to each other.

People often ask me why I don't chat and my answer is because I know the types of conversations that can take place in chat. I can hold my own with the best of you but I choose not to go there.. I simply would rather not engage.

O, if the others don't understand what you're trying to say.. I do.. and I agree.

I hope you knew I was joking. A war would start if Dream Views had a forum like that.


Or maybe that's not a good idea. :chuckle:

[Mes Tarrant]

Um... :? Hey guys... if the community has changed, isn't it only logical to change the system to fit the evolving community? Reminds me of the US constitution and its inability to change to fit the needs of society, man. :chuckle: Honestly. It's so awesome to see these types of politics actually take place before my eyes.

[Clairity]

I hope you knew I was joking. A war would start if Dream Views had a forum like that.

I figured you were joking.. but I bet there were those who didn't know you were or who would love such a forum.

Sadly.. it'd probably be one of the most visited forums if it did exist. :P

[Clairity]

Um... :? Hey guys... if the community has changed, isn't it only logical to change the system to fit the evolving community?

Mes, I respectfully disagree.

To allow insults/racist comments/sexual putdowns/etc. to be posted simply because some members of the community want to behave badly or immaturely (or just because they feel that they should have the freedom to do so) is the surest way to kill a community.

And you may say.. such comments don't bother me.. but your eyes aren't the only ones seeing them.

Why would anyone want to belong to a forum where people can attack each other at will (under the guise of it being "all in fun")?

Why would anyone want to allow such behaviour? Who does it benefit and who does it hurt to prevent it?

[ExoByte]

If the system changes, all the communities current attitude is going to do is bring the staff to use an iron fist and enforce stricter rules and harsher punishments. The only reason it hasn't happened already is the sheer fact that the staff doesn't want to do that because this community was at one point mature enough to avoid such conflict. At one point DV authorities were under the philosophy of "Better to have it an not need it, than to need it and not have it." Now the community is actually giving our staff work, and I can guarantee the ones with the power to take action aren't liking it.

[Spartiate]

Um... :? Hey guys... if the community has changed, isn't it only logical to change the system to fit the evolving community? Reminds me of the US constitution and its inability to change to fit the needs of society, man. :chuckle: Honestly. It's so awesome to see these types of politics actually take place before my eyes.

THANK YOU!!! God, I'm glad someone understands...

We all know that we should respect each other and live together in harmony, but the fact of the matter is that some people take offense to anything and can't resist letting everyone know that, while others have some maniacal urge to post anything provocative and throw shit in the fan, others still feel the need to quote every second sentence they see regardless of its value. The current quotes thread is made in such a way that these people but heads quite often, and it's pretty clear that telling them off won't change a thing. So to me, we have three options left...

1) Enforce stricter moderation, end up in the same problem a month from now, which will probably lead to a few banned members and a closed quotes thread.

2) Change the quotes system to try and please everyone, we could have a little brainstorm on how this would work.

3) Say byebye to the quotes thread.

[Mes Tarrant]

Thanks Spart. :) Clairity, I definitely wasn't saying that we should allow people to disrespect one another. That's out of the question regardless. But, it is evident that there are some very active members on this forum who may be something like "a new generation" of members who should be accommodated in some way. Creating an outlet for them might be exactly what we need. Not a place where they can flame one another... but just a place where they can post "funny" chat quotes.

I'd like to also add that the biggest problem about the chat quotes is that they weren't funny. But very few were actually offensive. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem was the discussion of quotes, not the quotes themselves.

[Jeff777]

That's actually not such a bad idea Mes and Spart.

[Burns]

The bottom line is that posting offensive/insulting/indecent material is not allowed on the forum, therefore the thread was locked. Creating another 'discussion' thread to perpetuate this trend is not the answer. If we could have a discussion thread like the pictures discussion thread, that would be great. But if members insist on posting offensive crap, that will just not work. The staff are discussing what would be the best way to solve this problem.

[Mes Tarrant]

The staff are discussing what would be the best way to solve this problem.

Wouldn't it be better for us to see the staff's views on this matter in this thread? :puppydogeyes:

[Burns]

I just gave you my views. And many staff members have posted as well. We do read all the comments and take everything into consideration, but the bottom line is that the offensive discussion that was taking place in that thread is not acceptable. So unless those people who caused the closure of that thead realize what they have done wrong, nothing will change.

[Jeff777]

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=46777&page=2

:alien:

[Amethyst Star]

Wouldn't it be better for us to see the staff's views on this matter in this thread? :puppydogeyes:

Here's mine.

I've already cleaned up the DV Quotes thread twice, deleting hundreds of comments that were insulting, inappropriate, and overall did not add to that thread. It's not so much of a discussion thread as more of a "display," if you please, or at least that's how I've viewed it. If people want to discuss a chat thread, do so in chat so that way the DV Favorites forum keeps its "exclusive" status and doesn't get all puffed up with nonsense.

More than a few members have noticed my more conservative nature. I'm a bit less tolerant of insults and elongated sexual innuendos. I posted this in the staff forum and I'll say it here. This is not to any members in particular, but the general audience: I wish some of these kids would just go through puberty faster... and some of the "adults".

Some members get upset when the chat or discussion pertaining to the chat is moderated, feeling that the chat is a "free zone" much like the R/S forum. Like it or not, it's still part of Dream Views and our goal is still to maintain a level of professionalism that sets us apart from other lucid dreaming sites, so it is subject to rules.

That's my view.

[Mark75]

You know what? You guys should just get rid of chat altogether. Nothing but mean things are said, especially since mods aren't in there all the time. It's really just a place where bad blood comes to a boil, spilling over into the forum. It doesn't help that those who would seek to cause trouble, quite frankly, don't take the mod's and admin's authority seriously. They all can flame away and expect little more than a locked topic and perhaps a warning if they're really naughty.

Furthermore, I've seen more than one of these "overspills" launched from chat itself. Remember what happened to the "post ways to get yourself banned" thread? Well, that's largely thanks to organization that would otherwise have been impossible without chat.

[Mark75]

I mean, just look at this!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Shadowmaster75/Otherstuff/meanness.png

[Xox]

And then you enter a minute later? I think someone here needs to be the bigger man. :roll:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p23/xofabliss_92/dvman.jpg

[Jeff777]

Xox, you have an unread message! you've got some nerve for keeping your wealthy handsome suitors waiting!

[Michael]

[KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: Your post
      [KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: If such a thing is seen.
      [KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: I didn't make this room
      [KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: Lol

[KuRoSaKi]

[Michael] 1:13 am: Your post
[Michael] 1:13 am: If such a thing is seen.
[Michael] 1:13 am: I didn't make this room
[Michael] 1:13 am: Lol

:roll:

[Mark75]

[KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: Your post
[KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: If such a thing is seen.
[KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: I didn't make this room
[KuRoSaKi] 1:13 am: Lol

Such betrayal!!!

[C911]

[C911] 1:13 am: Your post
******[C911] 1:13 am: If such a thing is seen.
******[C911] 1:13 am: I didn't make this room
******[C911] 1:13 am: Lol

just in case

[Mark75]

I am Spartacus!

[C911]

THIS IS SPARTA!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBA0SKmQy8

[bro]

oh my god....:roll: again

[Man of Steel]

Wow, I have just read through this whole thread. I honestly must say that I'm wholeheartedly with the mods on this one. Heat's and Spart's respective ideas are, quite frankly, terrible. A Flaming Forum goes against all that Dream Views stands for, and separating the thread into three different topics would only further compound the problem.

Now, as for the multitude of admittedly quite "off-color" quotes that had been pouring in in the last pages, well, that was uncalled for. What may seem funny at the moment in chat is most often not really funny at all, especially taken so drastically out of context. Between the fact that most of the quotes came from the middle of the night, when the people reading were probably too tired to properly differentiate between the humorous and the not-so-humorous, and the near-fad of posting most anything that even remotely resembled a funny moment, it just went downhill.

But that doesn't- Crap. I got to typing somewhere else and completely forgot what I was going to say here. That's what comes of playing video games all night, I suppose. I'll remember eventually.

Oh, yes, I remember now. (Sorry for the rambling, I'm tired.) I must admit that I've contributed a great deal to the sexual innuendo side of chat. However, I'm not going to apologize for that. I try to be considerate, and I never asked to be quoted. (Well, don't think I did, at least...) A little sexual innuendo never hurt anybody. On the other hand, there's no need to just spam those quotes. But the real problem is how they were met in the DV Quotes thread. A certain someone just pretty much jumped all over the ones posting them, needlessly ranting on about the immaturity and needlessness of it. After so much of that, he started to get flamed back. And then it went to hell in a handbasket from there. I am truly disappointed at that. I once held a lot of respect for GH, but his activities of late and his posts in that thread and the recent thread Heat started in the Meta forum have done away with what little respect I had left for him. His posts have degraded into little more than mindless rants and incessant whining lately. I'm sorry, but it's the truth, and I do hope something is being done about it.

I'm sorry for my rambling here, and if I said anything out of line I'll edit it tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.

[Carôusoul]

The thread is nothing but trouble. leave it.

Stop flogging a dead horse. It is dead. It is better off dead.


The community has clearly changed for the worse from what I can tell. The mods have been very leniant up til now.



I think frankly some individuals need warning and talking to.



Also, chat is very rarely useful for anyone other than these individuals. I can't count the amount of times there has been lewd offensive content, which constantly scares off n00bs who want to talk about LDing.

I can on the other hand count on one hand the amount of times I've seen real discussion.

[Howie]

Wouldn't it be better for us to see the staff's views on this matter in this thread? :puppydogeyes:

The staff is not likely to respond with any answer that wavers to any one side or another with out first discussing it with the staff.

Implementing any actions would then come afterwards.

What ever action that is then performed, is the views of the staff.

[Adam]

I once held a lot of respect for GH, but his activities of late and his posts in that thread and the recent thread Heat started in the Meta forum have done away with what little respect I had left for him. His posts have degraded into little more than mindless rants and incessant whining lately. I'm sorry, but it's the truth, and I do hope something is being done about it.

I'm sorry for my rambling here, and if I said anything out of line I'll edit it tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.

Again this is a thread about that post being shut, not a place to further discuss other members and what you may or may not think about them. I think the whole thing is a joke to be honest! Some of the personal insults are quite frankly well out of order, and not needed either!

If the quotes thread ever was to be resurrected then I think it would need close moderation, and monitoring; which in itself asks the question, if you need to watch it closely should it even be open?

I thought at first the idea of a discuss DV quotes thread was a bad one. But rather than posting have thought about it, and actually think it could work, I mean a lot of the crap in that thread is just replies to quotes, which dilute the quality quotes in there! If there were a separate thread, I think it could solve some problems, and if there were a separate discussion thread I think it should live in senseless?

I think fundamentally the underlying problem you have with a quotes thread is the humour/quality is only in the eye of the beholder, and what might be worthwhile to some, might not be to others, which is why it got out of hand in the first instance, people were posting crap which was not funny to anyone but themselves...

I think some people are making a mountain out of a molehill. The personal insults have to stop and the shit quotes stop - if we can get rid of this, delete the rubbish, and restore that post to the quality which is once was :)

That being said, I await to see what the outcome is :)

[Mes Tarrant]

Don't close chat. We can discuss that elsewhere but don't do it.

In all fairness, GH was far from the only one who complained about the quotes. I complained quite a bit too, although now with hindsight I can see that it should have been done some place other than the thread itself.

MoS, I'm sorry, that sort of complaint cannot be public. :?

Now everybody stop complaining - we all get it. I'd like to see talk of resolutions now.

[Spartiate]

Now everybody stop complaining - we all get it. I'd like to see talk of resolutions now.

None of our ideas matter now, it`s in the hands of the mods. But frankly, I can`t see how we can expect a sudden change around, I mean [Using names, sorry but necessary]GH and Kuro are just the most recent ones to but heads. Before that, there was TweaK and JD, DDK and Dallian... All ended with a "clean up" of the thread.[/Using names, sorry but necessary] Didn`t change a thing, did it?



P.S. Xox, what the hell? I wasn`t on at 2:11 am :eh:...

"You last visited: Today at 01:56 AM"

[Jared Boz 87]

I don't know how much my opinion would count for (I never even used that thread), but I don't think the DV community as a whole should be made to suffer for the actions of the immature, irresponsible few.

I would like to nominate making this into a Dream Views Quote of the Week Contest. Here's how it would work in my vision: 1) Users submit quotes to be entered into the contest. 2) Moderators delete the chaff (the immature antics that cause problems) from the wheat. 3) Users vote on the finalists, and the winner is the Quote of the Week for next week. And maybe make a special, locked place where winners (and maybe some honorable mentions) can be placed and preserved.

It's the moderators'/staff's decision; but just thought I'd try to help.

[Jeff777]

I mean, just look at this!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Shadowmaster75/Otherstuff/meanness.png


And then you enter a minute later? I think someone here needs to be the bigger man. :roll:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p23/xofabliss_92/dvman.jpg

I was told that the users in the room last night were going to be "tattled on" to the mods. I don't understand...someone started the room and people started going and that's where the conversation was and that's why we went. It wasn't about GH, noone was talking about GH at the time that I saw in the room. Aside from that room being started, there were probably 20 other rooms started as well within a 10 minute time frame by almost every user in the chat. point blank...people started going in the room so the majority went in that room for conversation because they didn't feel like being left in a 2 person chatroom with nothing to talk about. The entire chat was in that room infact before they started branching off and making new rooms (myself included). I don't see how that's really a big deal though. Whoever made the room probably intended for it to be a joke, one that I would agree went too far.

[Adam]

Count down, to lock down...

tick tock, tick tock...

[Clairity]

II don't see how that's really a big deal though. Whoever made the room probably intended for it to be a joke, one that I would agree went too far.

Bottom line Jeff.. tho you may have found the "name" of the name of the chat room no big deal and/or funny.. I frankly thought it was juvenile and offensive.

It's time for maturity people.

[Jeff777]

Bottom line Jeff.. tho you may have found the "name" of the name of the chat room no big deal and/or funny.. I frankly thought it was juvenile and offensive.

It's time for maturity people.

I completely agree.

[Oneironaught]

Too much to read so I skipped through. Here's the highlights:

^ Fooking n00bs.
And that's exactly the kind of crap that led things to where they are now. If people would grow up and quit turning everything into an insulting pile of...

Well we can always have 2 quotes threads. Like DV Quotes and Lewd DV Quotes...

And a JD`s DV quotes for good measure...
Or - and this is just common sense talking here - we could avoid posting quotes that are designed to insult and put a barrage of sexual, rude talk out in the forum. But no, that makes way too much sense.

As long as we don't act like a bunch of "fuckin' tittie baby ass-wipes." I am sure we will be fine. *snickers*.
Like I said, laugh it up. You are hugely responsible for the state of things at the moment.

Judging by your inability to resist quoting 'Gh', I won't hold my breath.
This man speaks the truth. I don't take being crapped on too lightly.

We've had the quotes thread there for years, now. We've only just now started having problems with it. The problem was much less the content (though the "posting every single thing that had even the smallest chance of being accepted as 'funny" was annoying, it wasn't the reason the thread was closed), it had more to do with the immaturity and inflammatory things that were being posted, and the way those posts were being received and responded to.
The real problem has been bolded for everyone's reading pleasure.

That's why I suggested a "Lewd Quotes" thread,
Interesting but... NO. What we need is for people to follow the rules that are already in place. If people think about what they should and shouldn't quote there would be no problem. The problems only started when all that uncalled-for crap from chat started taking over the thread.



Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the system as it is. The system has once again been in place for years. Take the time to actually read the early pages of the Quotes thread. Once again as Oneironaut says, sad that I need to reiterate, its only recently been a problem. The system has been fine and dandy for years, long before many of the people posting in the thread recently even joined DV.
Exactly.

Thanks Spart. :) Clairity, I definitely wasn't saying that we should allow people to disrespect one another.
I agree. But, unfortunately, that's what the chosen quotes had become. It's bad enough that people are rude, disrespectful jerks in chat. But when you start posting that crap in the forum, we've got a big problem.

Creating an outlet for them might be exactly what we need.
Sadly, that outlet already exists. It's called chat. If you're going to talk shit about other members, have the sense and decency to keep it in chat. Or more like it, keep it OUT of chat. It doesn't belong there either.

I'd like to also add that the biggest problem about the chat quotes is that they weren't funny. But very few were actually offensive. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem was the discussion of quotes, not the quotes themselves.
But, like I said before, DON'T POST SHIT THAT IS INTENDED TO OFFEND AND PISS OTHER MEMBERS OFF. IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO POST SHIT ABOUT HOW "GH CAN SUCK MY DICK" AND HOW "I'M GOING TO C*M ON HIS FACE" - THEN EXPECT ME TO SIT IDLY BY AND TAKE THAT SHIT - YOU'RE WRONG. I'M GOING TO MAKE A SCENE.

YOU WANT MY RESPECT? DAMMIT, YOU'D BETTER DESERVE IT.

You people want to act like I was out of line after that bullshit? Hell no. You'd better check your reality because this white boy aint taking that shit from anybody. Especially from a bunch of punk, infantile children. Hell no.

I retire from this argument. I've said my peace.

[Jeff777]

-shakes head- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7NhoWUy7I

[Carôusoul]

-shakes head- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7NhoWUy7I




lol.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

GH is right on the ball about things. If there was less immaturity and continuations of arguments maybe non of this would of happened and to make a second thread to move the problem is self explanatory. Just by moving the problem does not make it any more right, if i was in GH's position i probably would have taken offence by some of the comments made.

The rules are fine, but its how they are enforced that sometimes worries me, thats why i hope something is done about this to make sure that we can prevent events like this in the future. But some of those responsible don't seem to see the error in their ways and continue to act immature and childish. I can't tell them to grow up, but you know who you are, just stop acting so petty and stop ruining the fun for everyone else by throwing insults around.

I think that some apologies are in order...

[Jeff777]

lol.

I'm not exactly sure why you found that funny...or perhaps you just just figured your presence was lacking in this thread and you needed to make it known?

[Xox]

I retire from this argument. I've said my peace.

Good, it's time for us all to retire from the argument at hand. It's time to move on.

Now, we need a resolution.

And please, dont come here to continue argument. :( I am speaking to everyone.

[Carôusoul]

I'm not exactly sure why you found that funny...or perhaps you just just figured your presence was lacking in this thread and you needed to make it known?

leave me alone dammit!:oops: :embarrassed:

It was a funny video. a small cat jumping on a big dog. that can't not be funny.

[Burns]

some of those responsible don't seem to see the error in their ways and continue to act immature and childish.
This is exactly the problem. And until those people realize this, nothing will change except they will probably end up getting themselves banned if they continue. Let's hope that is not the case though.

I think everything that can be said, has been, and its time for this thread to retire as well.