Divination Lesson 1: Changing Bodies

[Blulanou42]

Divination is really quite difficult to achieve, especially with any consistancy these directions are general, we all must find the way ourselves. my exact way will never work for you and most won't except my personal terms. meditation (lucidity) is like prayer, none should be alike.

First, be able to sit still with an empty mind for at least 6 hours. You must be better then average at meditation. All forms are acceptable, however. Sitting, walking, even swimming meditation are good, really whatever works for you.

before you start know that your destination is predetermined by your heart. you will see your desires, so you must have an impeccable soul

you will see what you want to see, but only you know if you lie to yourself

You have to drive your mind to a place that few will ever obtain in their lifetimes, so do not feel discouraged, this is hardcore. Most will try for years before ever really getting to navigate this other plane so freely as to enter other people's minds, and even transcend time. but remember, some of us must be able to. we have in common that we are all lucid dreamers. surely some can do it besides me.

Once meditating (or dreaming, whichever you go with) you must 'feel' the waves of consciousness that are flowing all around you. I warn that if you attempt to 'feel' them, you will not...they really have to feel you. I know that sounds strange, but those who try will fail, those who allow it to happen will find it. If you haven't felt the waves of the 2nd jhonna, remember, you are trying to 'feel' something that is only semi-physical, it is more emotional if i had to choose a word, yet the waves themselves are emotionless.

Once you feel the waves you are getting closer. You will start feeling small waves, as though you're lying in the sand of a shallow beach, the waves are calm and shallow. You must now learn to feel the waves that these ride on. These waves are huge! They are the energies that surge across the face of this planet and connect all life. Even fewer ppl will ever experience these, save right before their own death. They are INCREDIBLE. And yet, the second you shift your mind to consider or obseve them, they will cease, do not indulge in them.

you must transcend beyond this stage now, cause you have to let your mind 'surf' them [waves] in transcendental bliss. this is out of body, but you can't fly through the roof and go out into the universe if you want to read the thoughts of other people here on earth.

once you are riding the very waves of the planet, you can travel anywhere. but keep in mind you do no have to physically 'move' to go, you can think (unthink, really) yourself to places. whatever you had in mind at the begining is the usual destination, although i have taken many detours.

The waves will suddenly dissapate and wash you into another consciousness, you will be both self and the person you were divining, it's sooo intense. most ppl get here and freak and break meditation or wake up if they haven't already. experiencing the duel consciousness really seems impossible to most, most will not allow their minds to see it, but i assure you that it is perfectly percievable, i remember having duel memories quite clearly...i've never learned so much at once before as the first time this happened to me, quite on accident.

Once inside, remain calm. meditate. observe. if you try to control the person then i'll be damned, just don't prz. if the person is powerful and identifies you, they could simply kill you the way one kills a thought of the imagination. be nice, be kind, influence nothing, there is no reason, it is not worth the risk, it is not worth your own personal indulgence. controlling others is evil no matter what your goal. EVIL.

SO chill. look around. observe, you are there for a reason if you made it and you can learn sooo fast and learn sooo much.

As a diviner I can transcend time in meditation, so i can fast forward my own perception in order to view different parts of the person's life. granted, i do not think about it, i allow my 'guide' (i have a guide that appears to me, separate from my own lucidity, sometimes it goes by gabriel -which is sorta odd to me too- and other times my guide is the nameless way, hard to describe but i think we all get one...maybe my nagual?) to simply let things be the way they are for me, i do not attempt to alter anything. i think this is why i am allowd to reenter this state, i am respectful by keeping heart and mind empty and neutral.

I have been privilaged in deep lucidity and meditation to 'see' memories, lives, and even the essence of inanimate objects -lol, we all have souls, believe it or not, i accidentally possed the mind and body of a wagon once, omg was it strange- and it is very possible. this type of 'magic' is called divination and everyone does it everyday. just think about if you were to watch a movie that was your imagination! it'd be so messed up from a normal perspective, but you can literally call anything into existence. through divination one can call lives and possibly even cultures, -workin on that one- entire social patterns into the mind in a very real and potent form. effectively you can change bodies.

the real trick is, can you do it permanently? hehe, i cannot...yet


anyway, end of lesson. lots of years of practice in this one, but i hope that some are advanced enough to actually go through with it. my best results really occur after 6 - 12 hours of perfect meditation, which is no cake walk, but i got to see two lives in one seesion once...one of them was, i think, myself in the future, which has completely changed my life and i didn't even know was possible. good divination is entirely possible during lucid dreaming, but i have to sleep for like 20 hours to get good results -ie, seeing lifetimes and such- so i usually meditate cause it's more efficient for me. i think some of u can dream better then i though, so please, if anyone tries, post your results.

good luck!

[Blulanou42]

no replies huh?

can't anyone else Divinate????? c'mon, I can't be the only one, it's seriously not that hard, just meditation.

[nerve]

oh sorry Blu, I meant to reply..


no, I can't. I haven't totally mastered lucid dreaming (or meditation for that matter). plus I'm pretty sure it's against my religion.

[Blulanou42]

No no. Meditation has no religious affiliation.

you are christian, right paper? here's what you should do.

read scriptures about how to pray. start your prayers with your desires and whatnot to clear your mind of them, then, pray to God only, do not ask for anything, do not wish, just keep your mind calm and empty.

then, after sitting for at least 20 minutes with a clear perfectly empty mind, God will SHOW you something. This is like dreaming, only you are awake! I am part christian, too. I believe all my visions come from God cause everything is God. Sometimes, god can show you the answers to problems, that is essentially low level divination! woot!

[nerve]

read scriptures about how to pray? you think I don't know already? I am after all, a Christian. and by that I don't mean, ''I'm good so I guess that makes me christian.'' ''Well my parents were christians so that must mean I am too.'' I mean that Jesus Chrtist is my Lord and personal Saviour.

also, it is not ONLY meditation, it's divination through meditation.


of false prophets (Deut. 18:10, 14; Micah 3:6, 7, 11), of necromancers (1 Sam.
28:8 ), of the Philistine priests and diviners (1 Sam. 6:2), of Balaam (Josh.
13:22). Three kinds of divination are mentioned in Ezek. 21:21, by arrows,
consulting with images (the teraphim), and by examining the entrails of animals
sacrificed. The practice of this art seems to have been encouraged in ancient
Egypt. Diviners also abounded among the aborigines of Canaan and the
Philistines (Isa. 2:6; 1 Sam. 28 ). At a later period multitudes of magicians
poured from Chaldea and Arabia into the land of Israel, and pursued their
occupations (Isa. 8:19; 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chr. 33:6). This superstition widely
spread, and in the time of the apostles there were \"vagabond Jews, exorcists\"
(Acts 19:13), and men like Simon Magus (Acts 8:9), Bar-jesus (13:6, 8 ), and
other jugglers and impostors (19:19; 2 Tim. 3:13). Every species and degree of
this superstition was strictly forbidden by the law of Moses (Ex. 22:18; Lev.
19:26, 31; 20:27; Deut. 18:10, 11). [/b]

I dunno, maybe I am mis-interpreting it. but I'm not gonna mess with something like that if I'm not sure wether it's against my religion or not. I'll look more into it and find out I guess...

[nerve]

but don't get me wrong it does sound pretty cool and everything..

[Blulanou42]

Right on! You really know your stuff! that's awesome paperdoll.

You are right, there are plenty of evil Diviners, but there are good ones, too. Remember that Jesus was an empath, a type of diviner who could feel and emulate and even help people with their emotions and physical ailments.

That's why I warned:

\"before you start know that your destination is predetermined by your heart. you will see your desires, so you must have an impeccable soul\"

\"you will see what you want to see, but only you know if you lie to yourself\"

\"Once inside, remain calm. meditate. observe. if you try to control the person then i'll be damned, just don't prz. if the person is powerful and identifies you, they could simply kill you the way one kills a thought of the imagination. be nice, be kind, influence nothing, there is no reason, it is not worth the risk, it is not worth your own personal indulgence. controlling others is evil no matter what your goal. EVIL. \"

[/b]

I don't want people to use divination to their own gains, I want them to see it then LEAVE IT ALL BEHIND. It is amazing and powerful but it is also TEMPTATION and can lead to immaculate sin and even destruction. Like all power, i am afraid that it can be used for good or evil.

It is not against christianity unless you begin to manipulate and decieve.

as for what you said about the necromancers...omg, i have to talk to you about some stuff...

of false prophets (Deut. 18:10, 14; Micah 3:6, 7, 11), of necromancers (1 Sam.
28:8 ), of the Philistine priests and diviners (1 Sam. 6:2), of Balaam (Josh.
13:22).[/b]

America is a giant tribe of engineers and necromancers and bards working together to make the world's biggest idol, we are all supremem sinners.

Necromancy, I'm not sure if you know or not but some won't so I'll explain, if Death magic. It uses the parts of dead animals, even other HUMANS to sustain life and give power.

most american corporations that are in power right now are Necromancers. Oil compaies peddle the waste of dead animals and people that existed during Babylon and previous in the middle east. Our Doctors have fine tuned their instruments with the blood of humanity, removing organs and using chemiccals. Even our cars, that we all use, are necromancer spells.

i would warn you that we are all part necromancer simply for living in america and using all this technology.

divination is not a sin unless you make it one paper, but we all already use far more evil powers to control others and consume the world through capitalism

i want to talke more about this in some detail, but i have to go...for now, try to find all the places in society where we use necromancy to gain power...you will find that our governments are centered on NECROMANCY!!!! ahhhh!!!! i hate it, but i know i can't judge ppl for using death magic, jesus didn't ;)

[Seeker]

I've not tried meditation in a lot of years. I cannot find a quiet time to get by myself.
Seems as soon as my butt hits the chair, some kind of signal is sent out. Either the phone will ring, or the kids will descend like a swarm of locusts and fight for my attention.

I've been using my quiet time during the night (between 4:00-4:30) to work on WILD.

PaperDoll, your sword is very sharp!

[Lowercase Society]

...no comment :|

[nerve]

I've not tried meditation in a lot of years. I cannot find a quiet time to get by myself.
Seems as soon as my butt hits the chair, some kind of signal is sent out. Either the phone will ring, or the kids will descend like a swarm of locusts and fight for my attention.
[/b]

ROFL! :lol:

PaperDoll, your sword is very sharp!
[/b]

I looked that up... :oops:

[Lucius]

UHum.. I wont get involved in such practices..getting in other peoples mind is just wrong, not according to any religion but its just not right to do so,you have no more right to do that then to read their mind, its biggest assault on somebodies privesy. A mind and soul is something you must not try and read,try to understand,find out its secrets,dig deep into it, unless it is your own

[Blulanou42]

lol lucius

you don't have a choice! you were in a hundred minds today, just never knew it!

our consciousness is collective. we think eachothers' thoughts all day, just we never realize it. The only difference between me and you is that I am conscious of it happening constantly, whereas you believe that all your thoughts are your own. hehe, that's the ego. defeat it, we are lucid divinity

i dream what you dream,
but 'controlling' other people's thoughts, that's wrong...oh wait, that's the medioa government we worship...oh well.

[medicinewoman]

your first instruction was to attain an impeccable soul. then you say it's not that hard! sounds interesting, but quite daunting.

[Lucius]

I dont think we are all "one" yet, we only are if we either die and return and remerge, or if we achieve enlightment(everybody), truely we are not completely one yet, and even if we are, I wouldnt go and listen to others people mind and follow their actions

[evangel]

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP

of false prophets (Deut. 18:10, 14; Micah 3:6, 7, 11), of necromancers (1 Sam.
28:8 ), of the Philistine priests and diviners (1 Sam. 6:2), of Balaam (Josh.
13:22). Three kinds of divination are mentioned in Ezek. 21:21, by arrows,
consulting with images (the teraphim), and by examining the entrails of animals
sacrificed. The practice of this art seems to have been encouraged in ancient
Egypt. Diviners also abounded among the aborigines of Canaan and the
Philistines (Isa. 2:6; 1 Sam. 28 ). At a later period multitudes of magicians
poured from Chaldea and Arabia into the land of Israel, and pursued their
occupations (Isa. 8:19; 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chr. 33:6). This superstition widely
spread, and in the time of the apostles there were \"vagabond Jews, exorcists\"
(Acts 19:13), and men like Simon Magus (Acts 8:9), Bar-jesus (13:6, 8 ), and
other jugglers and impostors (19:19; 2 Tim. 3:13). Every species and degree of
this superstition was strictly forbidden by the law of Moses (Ex. 22:18; Lev.
19:26, 31; 20:27; Deut. 18:10, 11).

I dunno, maybe I am mis-interpreting it. but I'm not gonna mess with something like that if I'm not sure wether it's against my religion or not. I'll look more into it and find out I guess...[/b]

I think scriptures are pretty clear about that stuff. I believe that magic, shamanism, divination, wicca, pharmakea (drug use for the purpose of practicing these), and even some new age and eastern techniques for mind/energy manipulation can open doors in the mind that are not meant to be opened... hence the influence of deceptive, disruptive, and destructive powers and authorities. Blu, it sounds as if you believe you have a firm handle on it and that this awareness or realization you have transcends "religious constructs." Won't say anything besides remember the Chief Cornerstone...
I do acknowledge that people have "gifts" of clairvoyance, ESP, and other stuff that we may interpret as magic, but it is completely unnecessary, distracting from foundational truth, and scripture gives clear warnings against it in all its forms (even for seemingly pure or "good" intentions).
:wizard: :whyohwhy:

[dougdrums]

the funny thing is that there is no hebrew word for that kind of meditation...

[Blulanou42]

yes, there are many hebrew words for that type of meditation.
i think the best one, we most commonly translate as 'prayer.'

i do call it magic here, true. But something else I need to show everyone is that it's quite the opposite of most people's conception of magic.

i believe we have it. in fact, i believe you each practice it everyday, it's just none of you know what it is or how to focus it.

your imagination is itself a tool of divination. you use it to fly, not through your own mind, but through the collective consciousness.

i am in no way gifted, i merely have figured out a discipline which i anhere to in order to hone my energy, and that is all it is.

i meditate, i pray, i imagine, i lucid dream, i combine these styles and begin (slowly, yet surely) to lucid think. How does one think lucidly irl?

You turn off your internal dialogue and 'think' without words -at first- and then later without emotion, your thoughts become pure and channeling becomes quite easy. i am to the point now where i channel in most of my waking hours, assuming taht i do not let the stresses of daily modern life distract my brain into chaos. if that happens, i pray, but i do not pray for 'things' i trust the will that is the fate of god, the way, i do not question, my will is becoming more and more impeccable, and life now solves its own problems, and my fate unrolls like a path to heaven...yet heaven is now in every direction.

[Seeker]

Originally posted by Blulanou42
You turn off your internal dialogue and 'think' without words -at first- ....

Thank you Blulanou!
I now think I understand what you have been saying.

I've even been able to achieve that once or twice. In common Christian nomenclature, it is called "Waiting before the Lord".
Many ministers, more prevelantly in the penticostal and charasmatic denominations advocate doing this. Pray until your mind is clear and your internal dialog shuts off, then just sit and bask in God's presence.

There have been a couple of times when I have been in prayer for extended times that I have turned off my internal dialog and done just this.
At this point, all inspiration and insights I have had came into being in their entirety. Not with words or feelings, just entire beautiful concepts.

I may be way off base here, but Am I getting it?

[azwe_echo]

Originally posted by evangel
I believe that magic, shamanism, divination, wicca, pharmakea (drug use for the purpose of practicing these), and even some new age and eastern techniques for mind/energy manipulation can open doors in the mind that are not meant to be opened...

That's the difference between me and most people I know. Basically I haven't yet found anything I totally believe in EXCEPT opening my mind. I may still find a religion..but this is what I am so far...I've chosen life

[evangel]

That's the difference between me and most people I know. Basically I haven't yet found anything I totally believe in EXCEPT opening my mind. I may still find a religion..but this is what I am so far...I've chosen life[/b]

I think we're talking about two different types of "opening" of the mind.

I'm not talking about being "open-minded."
I'm talking about negative influences (chiefly negative spiritual authorities) that are given access to your mind where they would not have otherwise... It sounds like you don't believe in that, though...

Psalm 16:7-11
"I will praise the LORD , who counsels me; even at night my heart instructs me. I have set the LORD always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest secure, because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. You have made known to me THE PATH OF LIFE; you will fill me with joy in your presence, and with eternal pleasures at your right hand."

I also choose life! :)

[Blulanou42]

i think that some of you are really starting to understand me.
oddly enough, when i first started to post these i just assumed that most people could do what i do...i was dissapointed at first, but now i am encouraged!

i studied rhetoric of languages and speech in college along with a heavy does of sociology and acient myth / religion...

it has taught me that people create words that are superstitious.

the truth is that no matter how many times we try to redefine spiritual energies, they are all the same, always

god people earth, we are all the same, we just sensor ourselves from it

i still contend that we are all connected it's just that to be aware of this massive connection, we must think about it with the empty mind

that's why it reoccurs in every religion as the most sacred prayer, the best meditation, dark virtue, etc.

when we developed our 'advanced' brains, we lost the connection of the open, unthinking instictual brain that remembers the earth, that knows God, that speaks wordlessly to the eternity that lay hidden deep within each of our souls

i think that this 'divination,' as i have labeled it, is really just tapping into the eternal consciousness that is the alpha and omega, and that, if humanity is worthy, will become the new age of awaked conscious

is it possible that we will join all the parts of our brain?

of course! it's been happening for thousands of years. the problem is that it always happens to isolated individuals and not groups, not the massees. thus, these ppl always get labeled one extreme or the other,
either they are spiritual leaders or evil heritics, or often, like jesus, both.

allign your charkras everybody, i know i am one of many who is merging 'magic' and 'religion,' 'God' and 'earth,' even 'life' and 'death'

we're all really in for it in the next few years. the change in this exponetial techno-life is about to enter into its equal and opposite reation... I'm just not sure how.

[Lucius]

Hey Blue, your back, thats been a while ^_^ I must say I didnt understand what you where saying at first over here, because you use diffirent terms then what I use for it..could you compare this with going to the mental plane? Were all thoughts fuse as one?

Glad your here actually, you were one of the interesting people who just left all of a sudden :(

[icedawg]

Originally posted by Blulanou42
i think that some of you are really starting to understand me.
oddly enough, when i first started to post these i just assumed that most people could do what i do...i was dissapointed at first, but now i am encouraged!
hey, it's been a while since you've posted. welcome back! :mrgreen:

[Blulanou42]

ok Lucius, I'll give it a shot, but I'm really not that familiar w/ the rhetoric you're referring to, so keep in mind that I will hybrid my languae with what I grasp of yours :) -as always-

we live on the mental plane
I am suggesting that we are there all of the time
but because of complex thoughts, because of our intense imaginations
we have access to much much more then other animals
this is advantage and disadvantage
advantage because of our complex reasoning
disadvantage because we end up stuck in our own egos -but here's the trick- THEY ARE THE SAME - this is the new conclusion I've been coming to more and more in the past couple of months
all of the parts of our brains, right down to the oldest parts that we share in common with lizards, from pineal to the upper hemisphere, are all still connected.

but how do we tune into these acient thought processes not that our brains are so complex? meditation, prayer, by sitting still with a peaceful mind, one may physically allign all these centers of the body (chakras) and mentally allign them by clearing all thoughts

this has a tremendous impact on 'what types' of thoughts one is capable of. It takes an empty mind to concieve the largest, most complete thoughts.

so...

All thoughts are fused as ONE always, it is just that our imaginations are so powerful that they dominate all our animal senses. These senses are vital because they are due to thousands, hundreds of thousands, or quite possible millions of years of perfect communication with the earth.

In my studies of anthropology and ehtnographers, I have read about true shamans still existing, about tribes who still tune into their instincts to survive. They don't 'think' about animal migratory patterns, they sense them, they don't ponder the weather, they sense its patterns automatically. To the earth, plants, animals, all of nature excluding modern humanity, are psychic to the age old patterns of mother earth...we could still learn much from the ecological patterns of natural ecosystems (not isolated animals in labs, that's just pseudo-science, animals never lived in labs) All the other species exhibit the collective consciousness, they are tuned into all thoughts always...

but they cannot interpret them. and that, i believe, is what's important about our egos. we now how the power of self reflection. If, as a world society, we can all open our minds and realize both our creative minds and our instinctual minds, we might just still be able to bring eden back to earth...that's a long shot, but wouldn't it be awesome if technology and nature were to fuse in perfect harmony. Now we are more like locusts or a disease, and theearth, like any living organism, has natural defenses against problems like us. If we do not start this pattern of 'opening the entire mind' we may soon find ourselves in great peril as the earth resets itself. The earth is not in danger from pollution, WE ARE. The earth will carry on.

and that is what I'm really getting at. the collective consciousness, the fuseing of all minds is the earth. It is the only thing we all have in common, our life source, our mind. when we dream we dream other people, when we imagine we are seeing other lives.

this is not a new philosophy. it is only new to western culture, although it is fading in the east due to capitalist consumerism.

think of your thoughts like this:

all creatures that 'think' tune into radio frequencies, their minds allow them a different range of stations...there are millions of stations. From a lizard knowing to sun itself on a rock to a human prefering to go to the beach in the summer.

we do not have independent thoughts, such as Plato (killer of poets) or Descartes, or Foucault believed. The greek language problem of america makes us all forget that, even though our thoughts seems independent, they are intimately interconnected throughout. We think of EACHOTHER, we imagine THE EARTH we build and create what is in our very souls!

Hope that helps Lucius, I am gradually finding more and more ways to say what I mean. If you like, you can educate me on more of your terminology and I would be glad to integrate it and learn.

the problem with our rhetoric is the same, we all think words are independent and meaningfull, but they all say the same things.

glad to be back! i missed it over the holidays.

[Lucius]

I don't know if you are familiar with some of the occult whatsoever..BUT, the way I see it our minds are also one aswell..but at the same time they are seperate..

Most occultists believe that we dont have one body, or even two we have several bodies. One body for every plane, and our souls travels between the bodies when we travel between the planes.

First of all, everything is energy according to me, we are all energy and part of the whole, a soul is giant amount of concentrated energy. Or chi/life force whatever you wish to call it. This energy comes from the core and runs in several orbits, eachother of "rivers of energy" form a plane, a level of existance. The closer we get to the core the more abstract it gets, how many planes there are exactly nobody knows. Some say 7, I dont know.

For us now, the most important planes are the first three, the pshysical,the astral and the mental. The other ones are highly unlikely for one to reach in your current unenlighted state and we probally wont untill we leave this plane, the pshysical permanently.They are so abtract ayway we cannot begin to understand them,yet

First of course, there is our normal pshysical body, the one we are in right now. Then there is our astral body,our astral form, the one we take when we are in the astral plane, AKA the dreamworld.

The third plane and with it the third body is the mental body, with the mental plane. This is the plane where all minds and thoughts fuse as one in the energy river of the mental. Possibly, when you do what you do..I cant completely recall..but you do something trough meditation..and then you call it divination..but I might call it visiting the mental plane.

Leaving your body and perhaps first going trough the astral plane.Because you might astral project first, and then go via the astral into the mental..

Perhaps Im being vague perhaps Im not, it depends on how much you know about this. But I dont think this is "magic"

But anyway, I tend to not like magic very much..as in real magic concerning spells and/or ritual. I think magic is not something we should use, it didnt die out for nothing. Not just because people didnt believe anymore..I think real pure magic upsets the greater balance of the cosmos. Us souls arnt meant to use magic, we upset the balance.
True magic comes from within you, from your heart and soul. Love for example, true love can conquer whatever spell. Magic should not come from outside forces, such as in sorcery. And when magic is used it should be strictly selflessly, to aid another for example. The usage of chi is something diffirent, chi comes from oneself, alot of magic, does not. (you take energy, that upsets the balance, and it will always come back to you sometimes, but Im sure you know that)

I hope Im making a little sense to you, but im done now, deep inside I hate being serious. Because I know being serious all the time and thinking to much isnt going to get you enlighted ^_^

[Blulanou42]

very clear and consise!
I think we are saying the same things. I apologise that I refer to energy as 'magic' hehe, too many video games, but I see no difference.

I think that magic still exists, we are still dealing with powers we should not tamper with, but magic today is in the form of technology, synthetic chemicals, etc. It has merely changed faces, it has not went away, although modern rhetoric would have us all believe it so that those who wield this'modern magic' can achieve whatever it is they think that they are gaining by doing all this.

I am EXTREMELY familiar with the 'occult' although i don't like that word. I have studied much tribalism, shamanism, paganism (christianity is now paganistic i feel, too), tao, buddhism, islam, zoroaster, many native american cultures, etc. I do believe in what you are talking about...

Independent origionation: we are all separtae, yet all the same because of our orgin.

I am not sure how many planes there are. I had a meditation session where seven were revealed to me, but I have studied cultures that believe in as many as 12. Seven may be the possible number for our current vessels, but I know not. I do have several bodies though. I have seen them, only one is 'physical' and the others boggle my mind. I percieved them but in no way could conceptualize them.

Tru magic does come from the heart! I call it charisma, but it is love, if it is done properly. I learned ealry on that if I used any of my power on purpose for any reason it would back fire. I have to use my magic accidentally almost, in accordence with the fate of 'the way.' Magic upsets the balence of one's life, but keep in mind, that all of this around us is magic, too. Technology, consumerism for material gain, such as these tear assunder the soul and split our perceptions from the other planes, and that, to me, is hell. But ture love, oh! what amazing things that can do. I think that chi too, is a form of magic, but all is to me. Chi is different from chrisma, it is like willess will, virtue without alterior motive. Chi is like the energy given to one from the void, from dark virtue. I am just begining to understand it but it fasinates me.

as always, i head your warning. I use magic to forget about it. I speak words to loase their meanings. I use technology to leave it behind. I will rely on nothing but self (which i give no hope to) and the fate of God (the infinite energy common to us all, nameless and shapeless). I do not use magic, magic uses me. As long as I remember that, i'll be fine.

[Lucius]

Goodie ^_^

Now remember not to take it all to serious, there is much out there indeed but its impossible for us to understand. Dont be to greedy for wisdom because we cant achieve such knowledge yet. At least thats what I think, I know there is so much out there to explore and to find out, but all in due time, it will come to me when I am ready completely.

For now, just be happy, and be a good person( as in cliche good, I know good evil and subjective but nets not think to deep ey) , find out all that comes on your path but dont go too deep, its all so overwhelming. But Im sure you know your own limits. Lets just live in peace with the cosmos and know that there is much out there, but let it come, don't dig to deep I say, just wait until the treasure comes up by itself.

Happy happy ^_^ *bounch bounch* being serious stinks, lets be silly sometimes ^_^ mieeeeeeeeeee the rest will come, hey the buddha always smiled! *big smile* *bouches away*

[Blulanou42]

made me smile ;)
ty, lucius i don't wanna be serious. if i live my life workin and slavin and serious i failed my enlightenment, if i end up owning other people (a boss or whatever) i messed up. I want to live my life as a child! i want to daydream and create all day and love, i want to love my girl...i can't let anything get in the way of that.

no promise of power or magic will ever sway me,
laziness is a virtue to me, even though i still do way too much, hehe

[Lucius]

great to hear that ^_^ The buddha smiles upon us with a big fat grin! ^_^
Lets all just be silly sometimes(or alotta times hehe), and yes lets be young *bounch*

[Blulanou42]

bounce bounce bounce

I love buddha, i love Lao Tzu, i love christ, i love all, i love the nothing!

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehe

life SHOULD be silliness, life should be free
think of no harm, no harm will come to you

bounce where are the lovers? where are the valentinians?
surely not all stoned to death for their art?
where are the bards? where are the druids? surely Plato, they were using the same rhetoric as you, and you used it to justify a war for their blood...

but as long as the freedom of speech remains intact
it is a golden chance for the modern bards to spread happiness
to liberate those in bondage to capital warfare (unholy)
to free this planet from its consumption idolic bounds of greek materialist
idealism we shall see, time shall tell

i want to see all nonfiction be realized as untruthful poetry
hehehe

[WerBurN]

and now you are beginning to see things as i do Blulanou...ive always thought you too serious to be so advanced in meditation...the first thing to realize when studying philosophy/religion is that we can know nothing...all we truely have is ourselves our minds and the expansion thereof, but if we do expand our minds enough we come to the realization that, if nothing else, we must live as happy carefree children...if you get too serious and focus too intently on expanding your mind, then you have learned nothing in the process...i will admit that you are far above me as far as meditation goes, but you always seem too serious...expand your mind in joy in happiness, not in strict discipline and in endless futile striving...if you learn everything, but in the process lived an unhappy joyless stressful existence, then in truth, you have learned nothing....i am a student of happiness

[Blulanou42]

hehehe, I've seen a lot.

Sorry to be so serious, but the apathy of others for the earth scares the bejesus out of me...I know that it seeps through, it is my heardest to overcome personality trait: I see no difference between life and death.

I use 'serious' words that I myself give little worry to, I have understood them and move on. But I still "see" it WerBurn. I cannot forget nights where grandious visions were given to me. They exist now everytime I see something.

Here's a good example:

One night (really a week, but I remember it like one night), amoung elightened minds and mind states, I stared at the side of a Coke can for 2 hours in deep deep meditation. It is rare that I can open my eyes at all!
But I stared and stared and was listening...I couldn't stop observing this can, sitting in college house waste, on a coffee table.

That night I came to the conclusion that objects have emotions. This perplexed me for about a year.

Then. Another night, this time the meditation would be about 12 hours worth spread out over a day, once again with enlightened friends.

I watched all the trees die. All of them. Not only die, but grow, weather the seasons, become their twisted shapes, fruit, leave, and shrivel. It was happening over and over...then it extended to all plants, to all around me growing. It was at this moment of terror that I remembered the peaceful conversation I had had with the Coke can.

"They are all living," I said "because they're all dieing."

that was it! entropy and growth. that can CAME from somewhere. it was once organic and alive...it was STILL alive!

since then, everything in my world has been completely different. My lucidity was off the hook, my meditations were showing me ENTIRE LIVES over the matter of hours. I watched civilizations, cultures, even a series of reincarnations (through energy over time, which is much more fasinationing, gotta write a post on that) and prophets. I've seen my lives, and one life to come (which I didn't expect any of, I was christian at the time, just learning Tao, no knowledge of Buddha though). I've seen several of my deaths, I don't understand.

This was the REAL reason I started posting, to talk about some of my visions. But I've had to catch everyone up a bit. I think quite a few ppl thought I was just some nut at first (some still do) but I sAW this amazing stuff AND HAVE NO MEnTOR!!!! I almost went crazy.

It is because I have seen death in all of its aspects that I can now see life as the same force. Tao and Té
and that is wonderful
but something is still missing from my heart. I am not yet enlightened completely. So I am stuck. I am desparately seeking those whom have ANY understanding. This has been the best place so far. For some reason lucidity and divination have a lot to do with eachother.

so, Werburn, I call it, you are right, I am way too serious. I'm worried about my future and I believe that it will provide for me, my mistake was searching and striving for that which (apparently) I do not need. I do not believe in philosophy or religion, I only argue either side in an attempt to enlighten more people so that they can discuss REAL issues with me. ;)

I am only far beyond in meditation cause I was an excellent (and lucky) Shaman who knew a lot of lore that elevated me through the Jhonnas faster (well, I have meditated for hours and hours and hours, but my patience then is my true speed).

I appreciate happiness, but so many in the world suffer.
I am calm void minded, but I still hear the screams of children dieing at our bloody american hands, I still see trees as they are now and how they WERE (that hurts me a lot for some reason), I still sense the chemicals churning out of our necro-labs, I still FEEL SUFFERING ALL THE TIME. I am not ignorent, I did not think that 'seeing' brought happiness.
It has allowed me to see both sides of all matters. And, at this point, I just want humanity to preserve nature. We were born from nature, we return to it, this is our home, why are we making our home poisonous?

I apologize for my severity, but I believe in it, too. I am virue, I am dark virtue, I believe that they exist for eachother, I have no virtue.

I need a Mentor that won't kill me...
I need a life that won't use me...
I need a path that is pathless I need a mentor who is aimless

so now EVERYONE is my mentor, cause no embodiment came around.
you guys especially. thanks for believing me and talking to me bout this crazy stuff. Sad, all this meditation skill and I have to vent about the calm.

these are truly strange times for all beings