73 year old man imprisoned his daughter for 24 years.

[Wrathful]

Normally, I don't give much big deals about a news but this one was just plain sick. It's also quite saddening.

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrians expressed shock and horror on Monday after police arrested a 73-year-old man they say imprisoned and abused his daughter in a windowless basement for 24 years and fathered seven children with her.


Link (http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAL2727651520080428)

[cuddleyperson]

yeah i heard about that...twisted...

Meh just don;t bother isolating him( i doubt they even do there anyway), drop him in with the general prison population..... butt sex, well butt rape anyways, he wont be sitting down.:P

Or...i could be hired to "civilize" him... oh yeah, we'd fix him right up, good as new.. ( Joey's rapist civilization programme.....,by accepting( or being forced into the programme), one accepts that a loss of the penis does in fact fit in the claim of " good as new")

AHHH LET ME AT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jdeadevil]

I can't get my head round why people are so mentally disturbed. I mean come on, he raped his daughter, made her look after her babies for seven years.... It's sick! Maybe a tiny bit of that maybe wrong but I read the article in the URL given in the thread starter. That is just fucking sick.

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, I just heard about this on CNN. Fucked up beyond words. :?

[Spartiate]

:barf:

[guerilla]

Just sickening....

[Amethyst Star]

That makes me sad :(

[Xox]

This is so disgusting and repulsive. That poor woman and poor children...

[Dreamworld]

That makes our human race look pathetic.

[Maeni]

Same as last 9 posts... Err, just nasty. Poor woman indeed!

[Holiace]

The man is sick, death or prison may be brought upon him.

[cuddleyperson]

Public Degradation!!!!!..hmm Austria, it's not small... but England is bigger, Austria sounds like Australia, people will forget it's in Europe.... What do ya think we just skip the whole EU human rights stuff over this guy...

[AmazeO XD]

I move for a chemical castration to the old fucking pyscho.

Better yet, I think that someone more crazy than him should kidnap him, and make HIM starve to death in a dark cellar for the rest of his short life.

[[SomeGuy]]

Wow. I betcha he feels great he did that...

[27]

I don't buy it when the wife says she never had any idea what was going on.

[[SomeGuy]]

She must have been bribed quiet.

[Taosaur]

I'm usually ready for anything, but this story and the FLDS custody thing both got a heartfelt WTF from me. I mean, wtf?

[[SomeGuy]]

Wft Ftw

[AmazeO XD]

Wft Ftw

Mandel down! FTL!

[Soldier]

As my friend would say... DIE DIE DIE!

[skysaw]

I don't buy it when the wife says she never had any idea what was going on.
I thought the same thing. She had to at least have known something fishy was going on. Probably just in denial.

[Mes Tarrant]

I heard about this. The first thing that went through my mind is what kind of health problems the children might have due to the lack of genetic variety.

I don't buy it when the wife says she never had any idea what was going on.

I thought the same thing. She had to at least have known something fishy was going on.


Agreed. :? How retarded would you have to be to not suspect anything?

[Jdeadevil]

Now now, don't go using curse words. The poor woman didn't know.

[Cyclic13]

We pick these poor shells to pour all our subconscious collective ills into...

That way, the bigger the effigy we have to burn, the more at ease we can feel with ourselves...

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/special/photo/brink/effigy.jpg

Ahh... Scapegoatism at it's best...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/scapegoat2_sm.jpg

Realize: when you entertain these thoughts, you entertain their realities and give them credence, substance, and a mind to reside in as
real... :)

[Serkat]

^ has a point.

Making a big fucking spectacle out of this guy is like making a spectacle out of Mother Theresa because she was old. It's media...

Even tough it's real even if you don't focus on it. So that I would disagree with.

[Mes Tarrant]

^ has a point.

Making a big fucking spectacle out of this guy is like making a spectacle out of Mother Theresa because she was old. It's media...



:shock:

[skysaw]

Ahh... Scapegoatism at it's best...
Uh... you might want to explain yourself more clearly, lest we think you condone this sort of behavior.

[skysaw]

^ has a point.

Making a big fucking spectacle out of this guy is like making a spectacle out of Mother Theresa because she was old. It's media...
I'm confused... the media locked those people in his basement? Shocking indeed!

[cuddleyperson]

What he means is( well i think so) is that there 1000s of pedophiles, rapists, torturers etc in the world. Children get raped and locked up every day, this is just a famous case now.

[Serkat]

I'm confused... the media locked those people in his basement? Shocking indeed!The media considers this the most important thing to happen all day. At a number of several billion people on earth, all entangled in complex social situations and neurosis, I would safely assume that worse things happened. Not only that day, but the day before... and after. And today as well.
This is the kind of situation that gets a free ride in law-changing because it has worldwide public attention. Now in this case, laws are already straight-forward but there have been numerous cases (just take school shootings) that make people think a single occurrence of something terrible would justify some sort of law change. If it went by that, we wouldn't be allowed to do anything anymore. Or they think that this would indicate some sort of complex sociopolitical problem. Or failure on part of the townspeople.

These things happen and they will always happen. It's not the government's fault or the fault of the townspeople. You could fill a whole TV week just presenting terrible disgusting things that happened on just one day. Now that's pretty much what News is, except News focus on the present day and forget about 95% of what happened previously because there's not enough time to present all the blood and gore.

[skysaw]

The media considers this the most important thing to happen all day. At a number of several billion people on earth, all entangled in complex social situations and neurosis, I would safely assume that worse things happened. Not only that day, but the day before... and after. And today as well.
This is the kind of situation that gets a free ride in law-changing because it has worldwide public attention.
And this makes it not newsworthy for some reason? Or not reprehensible? Or not many, many times worse than your average abuse case?

[Serkat]

It may be a little worse than your average abuse case, but only on an emotional level. And mostly because it's a worldwide news phenomenon that you can get all excited about and join the chorus of regret.

Local newspaper reported that just some days ago a 19 year-old put her newborn in a plastic bag next to the trash and it almost died of hypothermia. I think that's pretty bad too.

Now I wonder if you folks in America heard about this. I didn't find a thread about it at least...

The fact of the matter is that this is just a form of entertainment, and not news. Or rather, both. It's completely arbitrary and the only reason one would find this important is the emotional intensity attached to the idea of being confined for a rather long period of time. Then it drifts off into reality-TV and in some months you'll have reporters interviewing these guys. Newsworthiness is determined by how fucking sorry the people at home will feel, how bad it will make them feel, how good they can identify with the situation. These are just single cases. On a larger case, this is completely unimportant. You might just as well pop in a horror DVD that contains a rape scene.

Now this scenario is of course much nicer to watch - almost like Friends. When 20 people die in a car crash, that's basically all you can say about it. The emotional turbulence caused by this on a local level would be immensely bigger. But the entertainment value is almost non-existent. All you can say about it is that some random 20 people died and then continue to the sports section.

[skysaw]

It may be a little worse than your average abuse case...
You think?
:doh:

[cuddleyperson]

ABUSE wise there is a lot worse, although this is a man forcing his daughter to have sex with him and have his children, she hasn't been in a celler for 24 years being mutilated. Basically there are much worse torture cases. Still i;d like the guy to suffer, then again if it were up to me every horrible rapist like that would have horrible things done to them. In my opinion if you disregard someones human rights and have no mercy, you shouldn't expect any and the law should over right your human rights to punish you.

Although about the mum, the News just said he made his daughter write letters saying she had ran away and would never come back. I guess if her mum found those, never went in the basement( especially if it was secret, as in wasn't obvious it was there) and this girl didn't bother screaming for help then maybe she didn't know.

[Serkat]

It doesn't justify making a spectacle out of it.
I'd compare this to the guy who ate the other guy. Really, who gives a nick about two guys eating each other? This is B-class horror entertainment. It's disgusting and probably not many people would do it but that doesn't mean you need to make it a worldwide phenomenon.

[Cyclic13]

Caught from within the finite rat-race of the ego I would most definitely say, I don't condone of his actions... Although, what you or I individually think is a temporary charade, a masquerade ball we all buy into for a short time to give purpose...

On the other hand, if one peels their perspective back enough, past myself, yourself, himself, herself, theirselves, ourselves, one would see that it's just a game we play our collective higher mind...

We collectively demonize and burn people at the stake to continue forward with confidence in a given direction as we perpetually find ourselves caught in the eternal dance between a 1 and a 0...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/mushroomcloud.jpg

This song is PERFECT for this type of thing...
OXSkfTedVb0

[skysaw]

Caught from within the finite rat-race of the ego...
Sol, I respect your taking in a larger perspective here, but this sort of language amounts to just so much mumbo-jumbo. It's only mildly poetic, and almost entirely meaningless.

I do get what you're trying to say, but it would serve your point much better to cut back on the ornamentation.

[Serkat]

In my opinion if you disregard someones human rights and have no mercy, you shouldn't expect any and the law should over right your human rights to punish you.This is the exact opposite of human rights. That's why it's called human rights. Because it applies to humans. Not because you just randomly apply it to people you have some positive emotional notion of.

[Cyclic13]

Sol, I respect your taking in a larger perspective here, but this sort of language amounts to just so much mumbo-jumbo. It's only mildly poetic, and almost entirely meaningless.

I do get what you're trying to say, but it would serve your point much better to cut back on the ornamentation.

I'm not trying to be poetic... this is how I look at the world every second I'm in it...

Viewing this guy's life and judging him is no different from judging a gazelle's life... or a lion's... or a mosquito's... It's inconsequential and serves as nothing but an ego boost...

End of story...

You stare long enough into the sun you start to see who you really are...

[guerilla]

Ya know I just came up with a great idea.

People who want to become parents should have to pass a psychological and written test before having the permission to have children, adopted or biological.

This would deny unfit people to have children, yea i know it sounds fascist, but i think people raising children who aren't fit to raise a mouse are more of a problem then a psychological and written test.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing about these demented father's or mother's who kill their own or rape their own children or w/e. If these people were denied the right to bear children, things like this would not happen.

I know what your going to ask, well what if they have children anyway without the tests?

they will have to abort the child and make both the parents sterile, so that they can't have kids again.

Once again, I know it sounds nuts but, its an idea


also, unfit people not bearing children = less overpopulation, and less bad genes

[Serkat]

Ya know I just came up with a great idea.

People who want to become parents should have to pass a psychological and written test before having the permission to have children, adopted or biological.

This would deny unfit people to have children, yea i know it sounds fascist, but i think people raising children who aren't fit to raise a mouse are more of a problem then a psychological and written test.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing about these demented father's or mother's who kill their own or rape their own children or w/e. If these people were denied the right to bear children, things like this would not happen.

I know what your going to ask, well what if they have children anyway without the tests?

they will have to abort the child and make both the parents sterile, so that they can't have kids again.

Once again, I know it sounds nuts but, its an idea


also, unfit people not bearing children = less overpopulation, and less bad genes

I hope you're kidding. Because if you're not, I'd be the first to sterilize your fascist ass.

This is once again the frankly idiotic idea that it's the task or responsibility of the government to form a seemingly perfect society and that a seemingly imperfect society must be reshaped by means of government intervention, restriction and violent force.

[AmazeO XD]

I hope you're kidding. Because if you're not, I'd be the first to sterilize your fascist ass.

Hurry! Everyone flame each other over different views and opinions!

I used to pride DV as somewhere where I could have a slightly tolerable conversation with someone over a matter we saw differently on, but it seems now that DV is over-run with morons, and even if they have been here for ages, it seems everyone's new hobby is to flame, fail-pic, elephant stomp, or generally be a douchebag.

Yay!

[Serkat]

I didn't flame. I merely pointed out that he carries fascist ideals in him and that -sarcastically- it would be a good idea to sterilize him so as not to allow the fascist meme to propagate. Considering he's bisexual this is especially ironic because due to ideas such as his own 50 years ago "he would be hanging upside down with a fork up his ass" as Michael Richards put it.

[Cyclic13]

Ya know I just came up with a great idea.

People who want to become parents should have to pass a psychological and written test before having the permission to have children, adopted or biological.


That's not a smart idea because then the real question would be... Who would we be able to deem fit enough to make the test?

The darkness that manifests itself through these people, exists in our individual and collective hearts... Taking some test won't rid ourselves of the problem... it's inborn in us...

Realization of our true selves and coming to grips enough to seal the rifts between individuals is the true way to heal... This fire and brimstone crap for him is perpetuating the problem...

The real question is... How will the fire ever get stomped out if you don't stop feeding it?

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/800px-Eye_iris.jpg


Hurry! Everyone flame each other over different views and opinions!

http://jcnot4me.com/images/pot_calls_kettle_black.bmp

Yay!

Umm...

[AmazeO XD]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/800px-Eye_iris.jpg




Umm...

hahaha... I enjoyed that picture.

[guerilla]

I hope you're kidding. Because if you're not, I'd be the first to sterilize your fascist ass.

This is once again the frankly idiotic idea that it's the task or responsibility of the government to form a seemingly perfect society and that a seemingly imperfect society must be reshaped by means of government intervention, restriction and violent force.

I said it was an idea....i guess you didn't read that part

but yea i wasn't serious, it was just a thought


also, go ahead and sterilize me, i'll thank you because I don't want kids! lol


I overreact when i read these news articles, and my facist side comes out, but i never really take my own thoughts seriously.

But yea, its sad that human beings can't take responsibility for themselves to turn themselves into the police before they cause any harm.

[Serkat]

I said it was an idea....i guess you didn't read that part

but yea i wasn't serious, it was just a thoughtYeah, I read that. Of course it was an idea. You just wrote it down and didn't actually start a petition. It's still a stupid idea. What if I started a thread and said "Well, this is just an idea, but how about we extinguish all Jews as a final solution".

Yay for Godwin's Law.

[guerilla]

Yeah, I read that. Of course it was an idea. You just wrote it down and didn't actually start a petition. It's still a stupid idea. What if I started a thread and said "Well, this is just an idea, but how about we extinguish all Jews as a final solution".

Yay for Godwin's Law.

theres a MONUMENTALLY HUGE difference between making people take a written test with a pencil, and killing millions of people, how the hell can you compare me to that?

honestly, your trying to make me look like im evil or something, its just a silly idea, like a road test for parenting, instead of driving...and you take that and twist it to make me look like some kind of fascist?

:cry: your mean :cry:

[Serkat]

Problems with your post.

This would deny unfit people to have childrenWhy is anybody to judge that? Why deny people their most natural bodily functions? This is a massive infringement of human rights.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing about these demented father's or mother's who kill their own or rape their own children or w/e.Then you should stop watching so much news. It makes you paranoid and gives you a negative, biased, distorted and hateful view of the world. If these people were denied the right to bear children, things like this would not happen.Yes, they would. You can't control everything.

Again, you're making the point that your strongly emotional judgment is somehow relevant to law or society. It is not. It's just an emotional reaction to something that happened. Cope with the reaction instead of trying to change something that is out of anyone's scope.
Only because one crazy motherfucker played video games and shoots 10 people in his school, doesn't mean we need to ban video games. It doesn't mean anything, it just happened. You can't derive any sort of moral or legal necessity from that.

they will have to abort the child
Forced abortion? WTF
and make both the parents sterile
Forced sterilization????
also, unfit people not bearing children = less overpopulation, and less bad genes
Social darwinism and genetic cleansing??
great idea.

There's not a "monumental" difference between your post and classic fascist ideology. It's essentially the same.

[guerilla]

dude, you just dont get it do you? IT WASN'T SERIOUS SO YOU SHOULD DROP IT AND FORGET IT.

geez.

once again, you keep droning on and on like every other flame war starter who has infiltrated DV

DV Is not meant for flaming and arguments over ideas which were just a emotional response to the article.

can you drop it already? really? are you capable of dropping it?



anyways, ONTOPIC now...this man deserves life in prison, in a padded room with the teletubbies playing on full blast for eternity.

[Serkat]

I think we should put a ban on raping children and incarcerating people.

Wait...

[The Fishy]

I can't really say much that hasn't been said already, but I really hope they don't give him the death penalty for some reason. People like this should suffer - for instrance, being locked up in prison for 24 years and making sure he's with the rapists.

[drmrgrl]

:horse:OMG thats so horrible! what a sick twisted man.

who the hell would do that to his own daughter that is unbelievable

[guerilla]

I can't really say much that hasn't been said already, but I really hope they don't give him the death penalty for some reason. People like this should suffer - for instrance, being locked up in prison for 24 years and making sure he's with the rapists.

yea, death penalty would be too easy on this man, he needs to spend life in prison, hell they should give him drugs to extend his life, so that he can serve more time since he's old.

[The Fishy]

Don't forget the rapists.

[Hadyn]

I heard that it wasn't his daughter, but someone else's.
(The father was also captive for seven years)

[The Fishy]

I've never heard that, got any links I could see about that?

[guerilla]

Don't forget the rapists.


oh yea, can't forget them! no lube either :D


I heard that it wasn't his daughter, but someone else's.
(The father was also captive for seven years)

either way, whatever this guy did was in-humane

[Carôusoul]

Caught from within the finite rat-race of the ego I would most definitely say, I don't condone of his actions... Although, what you or I individually think is a temporary charade, a masquerade ball we all buy into for a short time to give purpose...

On the other hand, if one peels their perspective back enough, past myself, yourself, himself, herself, theirselves, ourselves, one would see that it's just a game we play our collective higher mind...

We collectively demonize and burn people at the stake to continue forward with confidence in a given direction as we perpetually find ourselves caught in the eternal dance between a 1 and a 0...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/18/662148/mushroomcloud.jpg

This song is PERFECT for this type of thing...
OXSkfTedVb0




Where the hell do you get all these images and videos?

Do you like, make them as you post or do you have an infinite store of "kind of related pretty looking images" for every thread imaginable.

[Serkat]

I can't really say much that hasn't been said already, but I really hope they don't give him the death penalty for some reason. People like this should suffer - for instrance, being locked up in prison for 24 years and making sure he's with the rapists.
Why should people suffer? Hasn't there been enough suffering caused already?

Note: We Europeans aren't actually fucktard enough to employ the death penalty.

I hope you are aware that your morals are approximately 800 years outdated. Congratulations.

Where the hell do you get all these images and videos?

Do you like, make them as you post or do you have an infinite store of "kind of related pretty looking images" for every thread imaginable.
It seems to be a weird combination of philosophy and arts. I assume it takes some practice to google all that stuff.

[Carôusoul]

the internet is so odd.

Particularly for me, as a european.

Because views which here literally everyone thinks are ridiculous and completely minority-driven.. are like.. prevalent with americans, throwing around the death penalty and creationism like they're normal. I know they are in America but its just so weird to here it seem so normal.

Just an observation of the internet in general.

[Oneironaut]

Let me get this straight:

Just because there are atrocities being committed every day (yes, even on a grander scale), we should feel somehow ashamed for having negative, visceral reactions to heinous events, when learning about them on a case by case basis?

When there is a man who did what this man did in your town, the media should not have the right to broadcast it? The international media has no place broadcasting it even further, spreading awareness of the inexcusable actions of people in what should be civilized society?

I have a 7 year old daughter. Is hearing about a man in my town who repeatedly raped and imprissoned children (let alone his own children), picking up the phone and calling someone close to me and saying "Holy shit, turn it on channel 5" somehow reduced to 'entertainment,' for me? Even if that man lives over seas - does hearing about a man in society that does the sort of things this man did and being completely floored by it, while becoming more and more aware of the things people subject others to, somehow make me the guilty party, and imply, unequivocally, that I fail to admit my own personal errors and shortcomings?

Is that what you (SolSkye and Korittke) are saying?

[skysaw]

In addition to Oneironaut's point, let me just point out that America's Most Wanted has helped put 999 fugitives behind bars to date (http://www.amw.com/captures/).

Is it sensationalism? Sure it is. Does that necessarily mean it's a bad thing? Apparently not.

[The Fishy]

Why should people suffer? Hasn't there been enough suffering caused already?

Note: We Europeans aren't actually fucktard enough to employ the death penalty.

I hope you are aware that your morals are approximately 800 years outdated. Congratulations.


It seems to be a weird combination of philosophy and arts. I assume it takes some practice to google all that stuff.

Yes, I think that when a man takes his 11 year old child, someone he has a duty to care for, sexaully abuses her, then locks her in a cellar for 24 years, raping her and having seven kids by her (half of whom had not been allowed to view the outside world at all for their entire lives) is totally deserving of punishment and he shouls suffer. Call me medieval on this, I don't care.

Another thing: I AM a European. I still think that the death penalty involves less suffering than life behind bars. That's my opinion.

By the way, do you approve of the European prison system? Because under that system (and the US system, not saying otherwise), petty thieves are put into the company of murderers and rapists and they get tortured and ass-raped, assaulted, etc. So if you believe that what I proposed is sick, how can you possibly come here and say that MY morals are outdated? Especially since you played the "I'm european" card, you can't really back out of this by saying "well, actually I don't agree with the prison system" because you just praised *everything* that is European proudly.

[wasup]

Solsyke is one of those people who doesn't have any articule, unique thoughts of his own to share so he says a bunch of abstruse comments and posts images or videos to have someone else speak for him.

[Serkat]

Just because there are atrocities being committed every day (yes, even on a grander scale), we should feel somehow ashamed for having negative, visceral reactions to heinous events, when learning about them on a case by case basis?No... shame was never mentioned. Some sort of thoroughly negative emotional reaction would be the only sort of natural non-sociopathic way to deal with a case such as this. That's beside the point though. The same goes for certain movies... or when you see a dog getting run over with a little kid standing by whom it belonged to.

When there is a man who did what this man did in your town, the media should not have the right to broadcast it?Of course they should have. They can air whatever they want.The international media has no place broadcasting it even further, spreading awareness of the inexcusable actions of people in what should be civilized society?Of course they can do that. Again, they can air whatever they want. I'm free to leave my house and take a walk through the park. TV is free to air a piece of reporting on some old sack who incarcerated his family.

I have a 7 year old daughter. Is hearing about a man in my town who repeatedly raped and imprisoned children (let alone his own children), picking up the phone and calling someone close to me and saying "Holy shit, turn it on channel 5" somehow reduced to 'entertainment,' for me?No. This is, however, a personal issue that directly affects your life so it is understandable that you seek to have knowledge about this sort of possible, relatively imminent threat. Yet it is to be noted that such a threat is always possible, especially if you live in a rather large city. It might provide a sense of safety to know that cops might be on bad guy's tracks. But they wouldn't be on their tracks, if the bad guys weren't the bad guys doing bad things in the first place, BEFORE the cops do anything about it. It only focuses mass attention on a particular point of interest.

But this seems to be besides the point as well.
The guy who incarcerated his family isn't a threat to society or to your children. He's a psychopathic fuck and the only reason that people would want to know about a psychopathic fuck getting arrested is probably that they take immense interest in psychopathic fucks and lives getting destroyed by them.

Now I don't watch TV anymore, but just browsing through the program, there is quite an evident pattern of programs the only purpose of which is the display of human misery. One station in particular seems to be obsessed with this, and they're getting pretty good ratings. First, we have the alcoholic 12-year olds for an hour, then an hour of people with debts in the hundred thousands, then a piece about people with bodily disorders, a show interviewing a famous rape victim and a fictional series about people showing obsessive sociopathic behavior. This just off the top of my mind to illustrate the point.

Even if that man lives over seas - does hearing about a man in society that does the sort of things this man did and being completely floored by it, while becoming more and more aware of the things people subject others to, somehow make me the guilty party, and imply, unequivocally, that I fail to admit my own personal errors and shortcomings?No. It doesn't have anything to do with you. Which would make it even harder for me to understand why you would take interest in the story besides for the purpose of emotional entertainment and the possibility to judge, compare to yourself, be enthrilled or whatever it is.

deserving of punishment and he shouls suffer
Why?

you just praised *everything* that is European proudly.
No. Where did you get that from? Did you read my post at all?
The quality of prisons is besides the point. The purpose of a prison is not to let people suffer emotional or physical pain. However, this is what you advocate should be done to certain human beings.

[cuddleyperson]

Korittke, what do you believe should be done about him?

[The Fishy]

Quote from Korittke: "No. Where did you get that from? Did you read my post at all?
The quality of prisons is besides the point. The purpose of a prison is not to let people suffer emotional or physical pain. However, this is what you advocate should be done to certain human beings."

The purpose of prison is theoretically not to inflict physical pain (emotional pain YES, being isolated in a prison will have drastic negative effects on your mind) but seeing as it is a relatively wide-spread occurrence, I think when you put people in prison knowing they have a good chance of getting hurt, and they do get hurt, you can't say that that isn't the purpose. You KNOW it'll happen (or at least there's a degree of probability of it occurring that is substantial) - you are then tacitly putting them in for that purpose.

In your earlier post, which I did read, thank you, it seemed like you were overly proud of being european as if it was more moral. My misunderstanding, it must have been the whole "We aren't that ***** retarded" thing.

He should suffer some punishment for his actions because that is just. That's the basis of our society. My rape comment was sarcastic - saying he should be inprisoned and sexually abused for 24 years just like his daughter was imprisoned by him was to highlight his mis-doing, and wasn't meant to be portrayed as my real feelings on the matter. The reason I didn't explain that straight away was because I didn't understand your "proud" European comments and they seemed hypocritical.

Edit: If you're suggesting he was legally insane instead of just a sicko, that does need to be taken into account.

[Oneironaut]

Of course they should have. They can air whatever they want.Of course they can do that. Again, they can air whatever they want. I'm free to leave my house and take a walk through the park. TV is free to air a piece of reporting on some old sack who incarcerated his family.

I meant more on a moral level than a legal one. As one that seems to feel that the only reason for airing stories such as this is for "entertainment" value, do you feel that it would be better that the media didn't air stories such as this? - is what I was trying to ask.


No. This is, however, a personal issue that directly affects your life so it is understandable that you seek to have knowledge about this sort of possible, relatively imminent threat. Yet it is to be noted that such a thread is always possible, especially if you live in a rather large city.

Agreed. And, to some extent, I am always aware of the possibilities of threats such as this. However, seeing it actually having been played out is something else, entirely, and brings it into a completely different level of awareness. It makes it more real and immediate, and thus makes me consider the possibility more carefully, and not just as a passing "Oh, that could happen."


The guy who incarcerated isn't a threat to society or your children.He's a psychopathic fuck and the only reason that people would want to know about a psychopathic fuck getting arrested is probably that they take immense interest in psychopathic fucks and lives getting destroyed.

Now that I completely disagree with. It has much less to do with "interest in psychopathic fucks and lives getting destroyed." For me (as I can only speak for myself), it has to do with the fact that I enjoy seeing justice being done. Not that I want to see a life get destroyed - but more-so that it gives me a sense of closure to see someone who leads a selfish, malicious and destructive lifestyle finally get the life lesson that might, Just Might bring them to realize just how barbaric what they committed was.

To use the puppy analogy: Which would you feel most comfortable with? If the person that ran over the puppy purposely aimed for the puppy, and kept on going about his life as the child wept - or if he purposely ran over the puppy and a cop saw him, recognizing the action was deliberate, and brought him (and the child) to some level of justice?


Now I don't watch TV anymore, but just browsing through the program, there is quite an evident pattern of programs the only purpose of which is the display of human misery. One station in particular seems to be obsessed with this, and they're getting pretty good ratings. First, we have the alcoholic 12-year olds for an hour, then an hour of people with debts in the hundred thousands, then a piece about people with bodily disorders, a show interviewing a famous rape victim and a fictional series about people showing obsessive sociopathic behavior.

Now that I can't argue too much with. There are plenty of programs that capitalize on many people's thirsts for the macabre, but to automatically associate all semi-relevant concepts with that sort of 'commercialized-degradation' is a fallacy.


No. It doesn't have anything to do with you. Which would make it even harder for me to understand why you would take interest in the story besides for the purpose of emotional entertainment and the possibility to judge, compare to yourself, be enthrilled or whatever it is.


As I said: It gives me a sense of closure to see justice done. It doesn't have to be a barbaric justice - I'm satisfied with just knowing that the person would never be able to commit such atrocity again (i.e.; life in prison), but I cannot bring myself to sit back apathetically, when the offender goes free.

[A Roxxor]

Solsyke is one of those people who doesn't have any articule, unique thoughts of his own to share so he says a bunch of abstruse comments and posts images or videos to have someone else speak for him.

Yea, what he said ^

[Cyclic13]

Where the hell do you get all these images and videos?

Do you like, make them as you post or do you have an infinite store of "kind of related pretty looking images" for every thread imaginable.

I make or find most of the pics in a matter of minutes as a go along, and have an infinite amount of related favorites saved... It just helps in driving a point home, I find. It always brings a smile to my face when I matter to surprise someone. ;)


Let me get this straight:

Just because there are atrocities being committed every day (yes, even on a grander scale), we should feel somehow ashamed for having negative, visceral reactions to heinous events, when learning about them on a case by case basis?

When there is a man who did what this man did in your town, the media should not have the right to broadcast it? The international media has no place broadcasting it even further, spreading awareness of the inexcusable actions of people in what should be civilized society?

I have a 7 year old daughter. Is hearing about a man in my town who repeatedly raped and imprissoned children (let alone his own children), picking up the phone and calling someone close to me and saying "Holy shit, turn it on channel 5" somehow reduced to 'entertainment,' for me? Even if that man lives over seas - does hearing about a man in society that does the sort of things this man did and being completely floored by it, while becoming more and more aware of the things people subject others to, somehow make me the guilty party, and imply, unequivocally, that I fail to admit my own personal errors and shortcomings?

Is that what you (SolSkye and Korittke) are saying?


I'm pretty sure Korittke is on the same page as I, albeit a little more upset one than I.

What I think is, the media will latch onto any story that will give them instant ratings. They don't care if it's horrible or not, just that people tune in to help sell auditing shares to their advertisers. That's why the media is filled with negative unproductive bile all the time. Simply put, it sells. It sure got many people in here in an uproar and talking about it, and this is just the trickle effect of their influence. This is exactly the reason why I don't even watch TV, because there is no point in filling your minds with such ceaseless negativity... not a one...

Sure, on one side of the coin, one can spend their whole life staring at the unending laundry list of ills of the world until they are completely warped and twisted by it enough to want to end their own life... or, one can step outside and opt to see the unending beauty of life... "Knowledge" of this kind of negativity doesn't ever help people, and as such, only serves as shock entertainment.

In the end, it's your choice what news you allow entry into your life, not the medias. Most people have yet to take back that control for themselves and are just mind puppets to the media, being fed these negative memes that don't help anything or serve anyone. It honestly serves as nothing more than water cooler talk, or a passing comment of disgust to unload all your negative thoughts into... ie. a scapegoat

Please tell me if I'm missing something here, and this story actually helps anyone by posting it. I would honestly hope that people don't need this guy as an example of what not to do to their children? Again, these type of stories are only meant to shock and disgust while at the same time acting as proverbial ego-pats on the back for everyone for not stooping as low as this guy did.

It's the same reason we have low-brow TV programs like Jerry Springer... So you can think, "At least I'm not as effed up as these people..."
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[Cyclic13]

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It's ok guys, there's no need to cry about it. You can't please them all, and quite frankly, I'm glad you two don't understand my posts.

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[Dreamworld]

It's ok guys, there's no need to cry about it. You can't please them all, and quite frankly, I'm glad you two don't understand my posts.

http://web.hgtv.com/webhgtv/images/pac/54194/host_over2.jpg I see nothing wrong with SolSkye's posts, they seems to be more expressive, and more creative then other posts.

[Oneironaut]

I'm pretty sure Korittke is on the same page as I, albeit a little more upset one than I.

What I think is, the media will latch onto any story that will give them instant ratings. They don't care if it's horrible or not, just that people tune in to help sell auditing shares to their sponsers. That's why the media is filled with negative unproductive bile all the time. Simply put, it sells. It sure got many people in here in an uproar and talking about it, and this is just the trickle effect of their influence. This is exactly the reason why I don't even watch TV, because there is no point in filling your minds with such ceaseless negativity... not a one...

Sure, on one side of the coin, one can spend their whole life staring at the unending laundry list of ills of the world until they are completely warped and twisted by it enough to want to end their own life... or, one can step outside and opt to see the unending beauty of life... "Knowledge" of this kind of negativity doesn't ever help people, and as such, only serves as shock entertainment.

In the end, it's your choice what news you allow entry into your life, not the medias. Most people have yet to take back that control for themselves and are just mind puppets to the media, being fed these negative memes that don't help anything or serve anyone. It honestly serves as nothing more than water cooler talk, or a passing comment of disgust to unload all your negative thoughts into... ie. a scapegoat

Please tell me if I'm missing something here, and this story actually helps anyone by posting it. I would honestly hope that people don't need this guy as an example of what not to do to their children? Again, these type of stories are only meant to shock and disgust while at the same time acting as proverbial ego-pats on the back for everyone for not stooping as low as this guy did.

It's the same reason we have low-brow TV programs like Jerry Springer... So you can think, "At least I'm not as bad as these people..."


It's not a matter of "helping people by posting it." It is arbitrary. The important thing (IMHO) is the knowledge of what is happening in the world. I believe that, fundamentally, that is the purpose of the media. Granted, like I said to Korittke, much of the media is manipulated and runs on agendas that may or may not be perceivable by the public, but at its most basic level, the media exists as a "window to the world." It shows the good and the bad - the "What Is," that surrounds us.

To speak of beneficial or not, I believe that it's more beneficial to be able to understand the good as well as the bad. It is, when you really stop to consider it, the opposite of ignorance. You can try all you want to see nothing but the beauty in life, but you are ignoring one simple fact, that not everything in life is beautiful. To be "enlightened," as you seem to take so much stock in, you should be able to find the value in seeing that which does and does not please you, for it is all apart of your existence, and your experience. How you react to it is one thing, but you should never cheapen the passing on of information.

It is no different, to me, than people who hold a purely metaphysical outlook, and automatically dismiss anything "scientific" because they don't agree with the politics: In trying to be "so enlightened" as to be "above" the politics of science, they attempt to ignore it, rather than take it in and analyze it, along with their own preconceived notions.

To me, it makes them no less ignorant (at least, in those instances) than the people they often pass judgment on as being "blinded by the veil."

Also, on the other side of the coin as "as least I'm not as bad as these people" is the idea of "these are the events that could transpire if I decide to let me own personal morals degenerate, or vanish all together - all the more reason to be self-aware, and aware of their impact on the lives of those around them."

There is a difference between scripted "entertainment" such as Jerry Springer, and objective reports of what is actually going on in the world on more important levels than "I slept with my sister and want to dump my fiancé for her."

Just a little food for thought. :)

[Cyclic13]

I don't cheapen the passing on of said information, only try to bring into question the purpose in doing so...

One should ask themselves, "Has any of this negative information I stumble upon on the internet or via other media sources helped my life become better, in ANY way?"

Invariably, I would argue that answer to be a resounding... NO...

Again, you can stare into the vast empty void of space, or seek out the shimmering beacons of light in between. Why do you think all news is filled with bad news? It's just a reflection of the macro and micro universes, and the universe is essentially a reflection of within.

I recently performed a social experiment which ended with my being constantly called a troll by people so far down the rabbit hole their anger has clouded any type of social contact, even via the internet. That was on the Prison Planet forums. These people research negative information ALL day and post their dystopic views about how the world is coming to an end. Most times, they are so angry that my slighted attempts to simply politely ask them their motivations brought on so much anger, hatred, paranoia, and name-calling from them it eventually lead to my unjustified banning... In essence, they had become that baton-waving big brother they feared so much. It was quite a surprise to be called a troll from people who were yelling at me while I was nothing but cordial to them. But this just shows how far gone they are... and how pointless it is to fill your life with negative "information"...

Entertaining all thoughts, and staying dead center between belief and dis-belief is the way to be with all this "information" we stumble across... I still think, we should be ever the more careful of the lower emotions and energy we expel on these third party source's "information"... as to be sure we don't trip up and tumble down the rabbit hole alongside it...

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[Oneironaut]

I don't cheapen the passing on of said information, only try to bring into question the purpose in doing so...

Just ask yourself, "Has any of this information you stumble upon on the internet helped your life become better, in ANY way?"

Again, you can stare into the vast empty void of space, or seek out the shimmering beacons of light in between. Why do you think all news is filled with bad news? It's just a reflection of the macro and micro universes, and the universe is essentially a reflection of within.

I recently performed a social experiment which ended with my being constantly called a troll by people so far down the rabbit hole their anger has clouded any type of social contact, even via the internet. That was on the Prison Planet forums. These people research negative information ALL day and post their dystopic views about how the world is coming to an end. Most times, they are so angry that my slighted attempts to simply politely ask them their motivations brought on so much anger, hatred, paranoia, and name-calling from them it eventually lead to my banning... It was quite a surprise to be called a troll from people who were yelling at me while I was nothing but cordial. But this just shows how far gone they are...

Entertaining all thoughts, and staying dead center between belief and dis-belief is the way to be with all this "information" we stumble across... I still think, we should be ever the more careful of the lower emotions and energy we expel on these third party source's "information"... as to be sure we don't trip up and tumble down the rabbit hole alongside it...

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To be sure, any social experiment can lead, in the eyes of the experimenter, to their desired conclusion - and any "cordial" demeanor can be made with the intention of stirring the hornets nest. That is not to pass judgment on your experiment, which I certainly didn't see, as flawed, but only to highlight that the rabbit hole (much like the looking glass) works both ways: If you're committed to be completely on one side, you often don't see the merits of the other, and the inadequacies of your own. Neither the real world nor Wonderland are complete, by themselves.

To answer your question, "yes," the information that I find, on an every day basis, helps my life, in that it makes me feel more aware of what is going on in our world. Whether it's on a physical or metaphysical subject, I enjoy hearing about current events. I am open to the "goings on" around me, whether they are positive or negative - and though a majority of media stories may be negative, they are not all - not by a long shot. In any case, though, do not mistake someone's cognizance of "negative media" as "spending energy on it." To do that is to (maybe even subconsciously?) create a wall that more and more persuades you to turn yourself off to such information - which is, like I said, the road to ignorance.

Question to the purpose, sure - just don't pass preliminary judgment.

[Cyclic13]

I never named names or said where anyone was being a certain way. It's not my place to say or suspect.

I've just found that from the opposite side of the coin, when one continually searches out reasons, even minor ones, to continue on that downward spiral of lower emotion, one creates pipe dream after perpetual pipe dream that takes that person further down the rabbit hole where they pull rabbits out of their own hat, eventually leading to attempts to pull others down with them.

In other words, I agree that it's a fine line to balance yourself between belief and disbelief... and be able to take it all in...

I've grown to the point to be able to take it all in, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter most media is trite, superfluous, self-serving, and helps to foment fears...

And, I know you handle yourself well 'O', my viewpoint is more a caution for others who might fall victim to this clear case of scapgoatism, and slip up...

I just want people to always know: The evil eye, is always inevitably our own... we create the breadcrumbs we follow... http://photos-247.friendster.com/e1/photos/74/22/44332247/496598531l.jpg

"When we stop differentiating, halt our decisions, and put an end to all thoughts, the two hindrances of discursive thought and intention will dissolve, and as our minds fill with peace, there will be 'nothing' we don't understand."

"If one engages in self cultivation with the desire to sever the roots of defilement and erroneous thinking, it is not only to attain the tranquil realm of true emptiness which involves no-thought, no-idea, no-mind, no-self, etc.; it is also in pursuit of the wonderful wisdom that is experienced in and grows from a way of life that is different from the ordinary."

"In that realm, the whole world is seen from one perspective, and there are no dichotomies; it is the true world where the self and others, as well as good and evil, are all transcended. 'In confusion, the three realms exist; after enlightenment, the ten directions are empty.' But how do we attain the realm of nothingness and emptiness?"

[Serkat]

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I knew I've seen that symbol before. Now you're using ads to spice up your posts? :D

[Wrathful]

Link (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/dungeon-family-reunites/2008/04/30/1209234894378.html)

Just an update.
This guy will receive up to 15 years jail sentence if charged. Somehow I feel the punishment is not heavy enough, he's too old, he doesn't have that much long to live.

[Serkat]

Yes, overage criminals always put you in that predicament:

What if he dies? Where do I put all my anger and frustration, what do I do with my feeling of faint powerlessness in the face of worldwide evil? Can't we somehow bring him back to life and start torturing him so I don't have to cope with this?

[wasup]

Yes, overage criminals always put you in that predicament:

What if he dies? Where do I put all my anger and frustration, what do I do with my feeling of faint powerlessness in the face of worldwide evil? Can't we somehow bring him back to life and start torturing him so I don't have to cope with this?

QFT

[Carôusoul]

I AM a European.




No you aren't.. If you were you wouldnt have had to "hope he doesn't get the death penalty" because you would know that we don't really have it over here. That or you're really ignorant of the law here, and you live here.

[The Fishy]

Actually, I'm British. I know British law.... not very well read on other European law, I admit. I suppose you meant mainland Europe?

Either way, the original post was offensive and suggested that Europeans weren't as "retarded" as Americans because Americans have different beliefs. I fail to see why I'm not allowed to agree with any side I wish without my morality being attacked.

[Serkat]

Either way, the original post was offensive and suggested that Europeans weren't as "retarded" as Americans because Americans have different beliefs. I fail to see why I'm not allowed to agree with any side I wish.You clearly couldn't fully comprehend the statement I made. I didn't say anything about the cultures as a whole but merely pointed out that you need to be "fucktard" to employ the death penalty, and that this does not apply to Europe but only America.

Actually, I'm British. I know British law.... not very well read on other European law, I admit. I suppose you meant mainland Europe?That's funny that you know British law because a quick look into Wiki gave me the information that the death penalty in the UK was abandoned in the 60s.

[The Fishy]

Sorry. I'm having a long day.

I am against the death penalty, and when the comment about him suffering was mostly to highlight his despicable actions... like I've said.

[Serkat]

So you don't actually want him to suffer, you just think about it because it makes you feel content but morals are in the way to actually wanting to make this real?

[The Fishy]

You clearly couldn't fully comprehend the statement I made. I didn't say anything about the cultures as a whole but merely pointed out that you need to be "fucktard" to employ the death penalty, and that this does not apply to Europe but only America.

That's funny that you know British law because a quick look into Wiki gave me the information that the death penalty in the UK was abandoned in the 60s.

How does not knowing about the death penalty under one law stop me from knowing another one? I never said they have the death penalty in Britain.

I want him to suffer a fair punishment. I was outraged and exaggerated to highlight his actions, NOT to convey my full feelings.

[Carôusoul]

Actually, I'm British. I know British law.... not very well read on other European law, I admit. I suppose you meant mainland Europe?

Either way, the original post was offensive and suggested that Europeans weren't as "retarded" as Americans because Americans have different beliefs. I fail to see why I'm not allowed to agree with any side I wish without my morality being attacked.


Well they don't have death penalty in the UK either, and basically every single british person who is marginally educated knows there is no death penalty in europe..



but i'll take your word for it.



there is a stench.

[The Fishy]

Again, how is UK law relevant to opinions on American law?

Frankly, I didn't really think about whether or not there was a death penalty in Europe when reading the original post, my attention was on other parts of it, and when I mentioned it I was just saying that I hope this sicko doesn't get the easy way out. If you have a problem with me not paying attention to some details, go ahead and try to rant, I won't be listening.

If it stinks here I suggest you stop talking shit about my morals just because you don't like or understand them. Or my education. Like I said, frankly, I wasn't discussing actual European law, I was making a point.

[cuddleyperson]

Korittke, do you feel then the 15year imprisonment is enough? Let us say he is still alive and healthy enough to lead a normal life at 88, should he be aloud to do this. He took 24 years, if not the "life", from his daughter, surely even if you are against anty form of extra punishment, he should serve a 24 year sentence?

In fact if you want to be just without becoming violent, should he not be in prison for theyears of life he has ruined so:

24 for his daughter, technically 31 if you count the 7 years he apparantly abused her( or so our papers now tell us, they may be wrong).

19 years for the 19 year old son also in the basement

5 years for the 5 year old in the basement

18 years for the 18 year old in the basement

this equates to a sentences of either 66 or 73 years, i would deem that justice, however i;d prefer him to spend this time, or at least a 24 year portion of it in isolation in a room with no windows, as they did. Obviously he would be fed and a shower would be in that room, otherwise nothing else( unless the family members under their had books/a TV, basically he should serve his time in a similiar place to his victims)( yes he would likely die in this time, that makes no difference, maybe he would maybe he wouldn't)

[The Fishy]

Yes, he did totally ruin that girl's life. No question about it. He managed to ruin the lives of 9 human beings (if you include the girls mother). Be careful though, cuddley, maybe you're a liberal lying psychopath with no morals or intelligence (sarcasm, if you haven't been following, directed at Omricon).

[Serkat]

I'm putting an end to this thread.

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[The Fishy]

Good. To sum up: This man is a lunatic.

[cuddleyperson]

wow he'd look better without those damn freaky eyes!......hmmmmmmm:P;)

[The Fishy]

You think?

Pff. The pictures might be edited. I'm sort of desperately hopeing that, actually... yeah. :S

[A Roxxor]

It's ok guys, there's no need to cry about it. You can't please them all, and quite frankly, I'm glad you two don't understand my posts.

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Then I seem to wonder why you prance around telling people to stop being arrogant, egotistical, and disagreeing with you.

[AmazeO XD]

Lol. He's fucking old, and fucking creepy.

[cuddleyperson]

KORITTKE, if your still looking at this thread, you know those pictures of computer mice with that symbol on you posted, where did you get them from, is it a site that sells them? they look funky!:D

[Serkat]

Those are Razer mice, the only mice that can pack a punch against Logitech in the gaming sector. Razer Lachesis and Razer DeathAdder on those pics.

[cuddleyperson]

OMG they are sooo cool looking, with a lit up symbol on it!!!:shock:

oo when i get my new computer sometimes this summer for playing games on, i might treat myself to one of those, i think i'd get the one with the symbol being lit up blue since the case i want has all blue fans inside it.:D

[The Fishy]

http://www.slate.com/id/2190211/?GT1=38001

:evil: ^

[cuddleyperson]

whats ya point Fishy?:?

[The Fishy]

Solitary confinement does create health problems.