Psychology Student's Drug Taking!

[psychology student]

Hi, and welcome to PS's drug taking trial, mixing alot of sanctioned drugs, and hoping for lucidity. (Please note that all drugs have been thoroughly researched, individually and their combined action, and I have consulted my physician).
http://www.southforkcheesecakecompany.com/sitebuilder/images/doctor_thumbs_up-259x436.jpg
Without further ado lets get onto the action:

Before bed I will take
B6, 100mg
B3, 100mg

both will increase SWS during the first half of the night and lead to increased REM in the second half

During a WBTB I will take:

Glutamine, 1000mg
Choline Bitartrate, 1100mg
B5/Panothenic Acid, 100mg
B12, 100mg
Green Tea Extract, 630mg (contains Theanine + ECGC both associated with lucidity).


I will report my results tomorrow.
(Please remember to thoroughly research any supplements, and consult a doctor, or pharmacist before taking them)

[RooJ]

Nice heh, look forward to reading the results..

Have you got someone who can post about your death if it goes horribly wrong? just so we don't make the same mistakes :).

[psychology student]

If I don't post tomorrow, you should deduce that I died. ;) But please feel free to try the combination, by all means.

[Robot_Butler]

I can't wait to see how this turns out.

I don't think I could fall asleep with B6 before bed. Oops, hope I didn't just jynx you :)

[BenQ]

This is fabulous...

can't wait to see the results.

:):):)

[Snowy Egypt]

:shock:

Well, as long as you consulted your doctor. :)

I, too, would like to see results. Gambatte!!! :goodjob2: ("Do your best!!" in Japanese)

[psychology student]

Ok guys, well it didn't go how I had hoped. No lucidity, I believe. However recall was also very strange: as soon as I woke up I could not remember any dreams. But after a while, these vivid, very weird dreams came back to me. (in one I was deconstructing this bridge like structure with the Mythbusters). However, because of the weird recall, perhaps I just don't remember lucidity if it actually occured.

I will try a stornger combination tonight with a smaller variety of drugs.

Thank you, come again.

[ChaybaChayba]

Cool this is a good idea, I'm also taking Choline Bitatrate atm and it really works for recall and vividness, but lol you take alot of stuff at the same time :D

[psychology student]

Cool this is a good idea, I'm also taking Choline Bitatrate atm and it really works for recall and vividness, but lol you take alot of stuff at the same time :D

Tune in tonight to see round two.

[psychology student]

Tonight I will be trying (during a WBTB):

Glutamine 2000mg

Green Tea Extract 1260mg


Last night, I hypothesise that effects were limited due to a large variety of drugs. Tonight there will be more intense doses, with fewer drugs.

I have already consulted medical persons about combining all of these drugs, and I have also researched them thoroughly.
http://www.diningonthevine.com/wp-content/Doctorthumbs.jpg

[psychology student]

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[BenQ]

Awww Psycholohy Student I'm sorry to hear it didn't work.Your sense of humor though is effin' hilarious...

when you woke up the first night to take more drugs, you didn't remember any dreams then from the B6? I just ask cuz I take b6 and my dreams are pretty much always nuts it seems like.

Are we going to have anymore experiments?

[lucid4sho]

Aside from the caffeine in the green tea extract, none of those supplements can really be categorized as drugs. Unless a physicians finds you especially deficient, I think its a waste to supplement nutrients. I get my vitamin, mineral, and amino acid levels tested and I've only been deficient in vitamin c once, so now i eat more fruit and its back to normal, and I don't take any nutrient supplements. Yet I know people who take nutrients and when tested they are often low in several of them. I've never seen any evidence, clinical or otherwise, that supports supplementing nutrients that you aren't deficient in, or that you can easily get from a diet change.

[psychology student]

Awww Psycholohy Student I'm sorry to hear it didn't work.Your sense of humor though is effin' hilarious...

when you woke up the first night to take more drugs, you didn't remember any dreams then from the B6? I just ask cuz I take b6 and my dreams are pretty much always nuts it seems like.

Are we going to have anymore experiments?

You tell me what to do. I am a drug experimenter for the people. (Although it must be a mixture of the stuff shown in the initial experiment. What do you think I am, rich?).

Aside from the caffeine in the green tea extract, none of those supplements can really be categorized as drugs. Unless a physicians finds you especially deficient, I think its a waste to supplement nutrients. I get my vitamin, mineral, and amino acid levels tested and I've only been deficient in vitamin c once, so now i eat more fruit and its back to normal, and I don't take any nutrient supplements. Yet I know people who take nutrients and when tested they are often low in several of them. I've never seen any evidence, clinical or otherwise, that supports supplementing nutrients that you aren't deficient in, or that you can easily get from a diet change.

Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity.

[Dizko]

Try doing the same thing again but going to bed a couple of hours earlier. Hopefully that will make you more alert during the later rem stages.

Have fun! Don't do drugs, go with christ bré'!- 'Dog' the bounty hunter.

[lucid4sho]

"Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity."

I'm just sayin, why buy a bunch of bottles of b vitamins when you can get a banana or something with plenty of b vitamins, plus a crap load of other nutrients. Seems like a waste, plus it could be harmful. There are plenty of dream enhancers to experiment with that don't naturally occur in food. Many of them actually are drugs, experiment with those and it would be worth while.

[psychology student]

Try doing the same thing again but going to bed a couple of hours earlier. Hopefully that will make you more alert during the later rem stages.

Have fun! Don't do drugs, go with christ bré'!- 'Dog' the bounty hunter.

"Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity."

I'm just sayin, why buy a bunch of bottles of b vitamins when you can get a banana or something with plenty of b vitamins, plus a crap load of other nutrients. Seems like a waste, plus it could be harmful. There are plenty of dream enhancers to experiment with that don't naturally occur in food. Many of them actually are drugs, experiment with those and it would be worth while.

Yeah, but the disage in food is no where near a much the one in the bottles. For example the amount of B6 in a banana, is 1% of the amount in a pill, and is ineffective in creating the required dream effect.

[lucid4sho]

Steak - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/3591/2
Banana - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1846/2

B vitamin content in a single 13 oz sirloin steak:

B3 - 33.7 mg = 169% RDI
B6 - 2.6 mg = 128% RDI
B12 - 5.5 mcg = 92% RDI
B1 - 0.3 mg = 22% RDI
B2 - 0.6 mg = 36% RDI
B5 - 2.3 mg = 23% RDI
Plus others that are not tested by that website.

Bananas contain less than steak, but much more than 1% of the RDI

Considering synthetic vitamins are not as bioavailable, and are often
not recognized by the body and therefore rapidly excreted in the urine,
you will get way more vitamins from food than a pill. Also there are
other factors in food that are important parts of metabolism, when you take
vitamins without these synergistic components it can cause toxicity to the body.

"Isolated vitamins and minerals don't occur in the food chain, but are formed in relationship to many other food constituents. In the food chain, vitamins are always molecularly bound to proteins. The protein attachment appears to be the transport vehicle for vitamins in living systems. This accounts for the low bioavailability or utilization and assimilation of synthetic and isolated vitamins or minerals in the human body."

"Over 97% of vitamin and mineral supplements now being sold in "health food" stores contain these synthetic or isolated and fragmented vitamins and minerals. Such vitamin and mineral supplements were found to be toxic or ineffective or both! These synthetic vitamin and mineral supplements are inexpensive to manufacture and produce huge profits for the makers and marketers of these products."

The Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association (Winter, 1999)


Hope this helps you change your mind, I just don't want people paying to cause
themselves harm.

[Robot_Butler]

Lucid4sho, I agree with you about supplementing your diet with pills. I'm always telling people to stop taking their multivitamins, since every study I've seen has shown it causes nothing but harmful effects (besides calcium supplements, the omega_s , and a few others).

When it comes to dreaming, I have found vitamin pills have a huge effect. You take them as a drug instead of a supplement. You want a large (over)dose to hit your system fast. Normally an arguement against supplements, right? For example, B6's RDA is around 1-2mg a day. Taking it for dreaming, most people will bomb around 1000mg during a WBTB :shock:.

Psychology Student, have you tried Galantamine/choline yet? That is the king of lucid dreaming drugs right now. I'm assuming you're working from Thomas Yuschak's book & website?

Keep it up, I think this is the future of lucid dreaming. Have you seen this article yet?
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11402761

[lucid4sho]

You might be right, maybe synthetic vitamins are safe to take periodically for dream induction. I just think it makes more sense to experiement with things like galantamine since its an actual drug, instead of tweaking with your nutrient metabolism.

[psychology student]

Psychology Student, have you tried Galantamine/choline yet? That is the king of lucid dreaming drugs right now. I'm assuming you're working from Thomas Yuschak's book & website?



Keep it up, I think this is the future of lucid dreaming. Have you seen this article yet?
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11402761
Yeah, but its only available by prescription in this country. :( Nice article though, galantamine and choline are both cognitive enhancers I think.

You mightbe right, maybe synthetic vitamins are safe to take periodically for dream induction. I just think it makes more sense to experiement with things like galantamine since its an actual drug, instead of tweaking with your nutrient metabolism.
Look to the above.

[lucid4sho]

:hrm: Thats why I mentioned galantamine because he did :poke:. I know of tons of other drugs other than galantamine that I've used for ld enhancing, i just don't share the information because drugs effect everyone different, personally i don't like galantamine, but it might work great for you.

[psychology student]

Galantamine is prescription only. Can you tell me about some of your secret drugs? :)

[lucid4sho]

You can get galantamine in nearly any country, theres a very minimal chance it will get confiscated by customs because the dogs don't smell for it. http://uniquenutrition.net/shop/
This site will send it to you. Plus they carry lots of other drugs to toy with. Go to http://www.erowid.org and you can learn about them and read others experiences. There are other sites you can get drugs that unique nutrition doesn't carry, it just takes some searching, but unique nutrition carries enough to keep you busy for awhile :drool:

[psychology student]

You can get galantamine in nearly any country, theres a very minimal chance it will get confiscated by customs because the dogs don't smell for it. http://uniquenutrition.net/shop/
This site will send it to you. Plus they carry lots of other drugs to toy with. Go to http://www.erowid.org and you can learn about them and read others experiences. There are other sites you can get drugs that unique nutrition doesn't carry, it just takes some searching, but unique nutrition carries enough to keep you busy for awhile :drool:

Is it legal for me to import drugs in that fashion, becaue my girlfriend is a Christian and I wouldn't want to offend her. But seriously thanks for the link.

[lucid4sho]

Its not technically legal, but even if its confiscated you won't be prosecuted for doing it, you will just recieve a letter in the mail saying that a package containing illegal substances that was addressed to you has been confiscated, and the contact information for making a dispute. At least thats what happens in the US. You can always just experiment with the many plants that contain dream enhancing drugs, those aren't illegal in the UK are they?

[psychology student]

Its not technically legal, but even if its confiscated you won't be prosecuted for doing it, you will just recieve a letter in the mail saying that a package containing illegal substances that was addressed to you has been confiscated, and the contact information for making a dispute. At least thats what happens in the US. You can always just experiment with the many plants that contain dream enhancing drugs, those aren't illegal in the UK are they?

I don't know, I'll look into it. :) Any taints on my CV won't help when I apply to join the secret service.

[psychology student]

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/success.jpg


Yes, success, even when the cynics were pouring their warm beer over my plans, and the others were saying I would burn up is a fiery overdose of Galantamine and B6: I succeeded.

with
1000mg of Glutamine
1100mg of Choline Bitartrate
945mg of Green Tea Extract
200mg of B5

taken at a 6 hour WBTB, and I naturally woke up 1 hour 45 minutes later, having had a 5-10 minute LD, and a false awakening (where the LD was magically written in my DJ for me, how brilliant). Also, the dreams were weird and vivid.

I will try this again and report the results.

[psychology student]

Bump.

[el dude'arino]

drugs is very bad. why you use it fro lucidity. i canz be lucidity without them.

[psychology student]

drugs is very bad. why you use it fro lucidity. i canz be lucidity without them.

They are legal, well-reasearched, not really harmful, and I have checked with my doctor.

[Conquer]

Yay success. Congrats, this was cool to read. Nice fail picture and the doctor pic was lmao.

[psychology student]

Yay success. Congrats, this was cool to read. Nice fail picture and the doctor pic was lmao.

Your welcome, please visit this thread for further lulz and lucid attempts in the future.

[Conquer]

Your welcome, please visit this thread for further lulz and lucid attempts in the future.
Will do. Btw, whats your age/weight? For reference if trying any of the solutions myself.

[psychology student]

Will do. Btw, whats your age/weight? For reference if trying any of the solutions myself.

late teenish; i am not sure of my weight, I haven't checked recently. But I am 6 feet tall, and of average weight for that size. I am sure you can work it out from there.

[Conquer]

Alright thx, looking forward to future experiments and lulz :)



Tyler

[psychology student]

I will try one tomorrow. Tune in.

[Robot_Butler]

Any new cocktails lately?

[psychology student]

No, feel free to suggest one though. (but no B6, that is no longer allowed)

I tried the most recent one again last night. I don't remember a lucid, (which makes its score 2/4) but the dreams are extremely vivid, weird, and I feel they really reflect the problems and anxieties of reality; if you understand.

[Tsiyeria]

drugs is very bad. why you use it fro lucidity. i canz be lucidity without them.

B5 isn't drugs. It's vitamins. Water-soluble vitamins at that; it's impossible to overdose on B-vitamins.
Although PS, you did take more than twice the recommended amount of Choline, which can cause some nasty side effects.

[psychology student]

B5 isn't drugs. It's vitamins. Water-soluble vitamins at that; it's impossible to overdose on B-vitamins.
Although PS, you did take more than twice the recommended amount of Choline, which can cause some nasty side effects.

Lol, what a lovely coincidence, I have nerve damage, from B6.

Hello my good friend Tsiyeria, how is it going at LL?

[Tsiyeria]

Lol, what a lovely coincidence, I have nerve damage, from B6.

...Then you must have REALLY been trying. B vitamins are water-soluble, and as such don't store in the body. In order for you to have caused any kind of lasting nerve damage, or "sensory neuropathy", you would have to have massively overdosed in one setting, or in a very short period of time.

Even overdoses over long periods of time usually only result in temporary loss of feeling in certain areas of the body, which can be reversed by simply stopping the dosage.

So. How much B6 were you taking, and for how long?

[psychology student]

don;t worry, its not long term damage, the doc said it would be fine after a month.

[lucid4sho]

don;t worry, its not long term damage, the doc said it would be fine after a month.

Glad you weren't seriously injured. Its smart you've been working with a physician in these experiments, more people should do the same.

[Conquer]

lmao, wheres the picture of the happy doc

[psychology student]

http://www.southforkcheesecakecompany.com/sitebuilder/images/doctor_thumbs_up-259x436.jpg
You mean that guy, he's not my real doctor, just a metaphor. But the guy I get advice from is at my Uni.

Be careful of B6, though. Don't use it above 100mg, or consistently.

[Conquer]

lol yeah I didn't think he was ur actual doctor

[psychology student]

lol yeah I didn't think he was ur actual doctor

Yeah, I know.

Please feel free to make some sugestions (non B6).

[Conquer]

I dunno if you wanna do this one but I heard if you drink lots of pickel juice, you will have a lucid lol. And I mean, a lot. At least a glass full.

[psychology student]

Pickel Juice? Do you mean Apple juice. Or are you being funny with me?

[psychology student]

Haha, goodbye.

[Shady]

He better be talking about pickle juice.. Because that's hot.

Oh and first person to post a video of themselves chugging a jug full of pickle juice wins my respect for at least 2 weeks. Extra points for any chunkies floating around in that cesspool.

[dallyup52]

Of course everyone else will think you're are a complete fool :P

[Conquer]

No seriously pickel juice, I heard it was good for lucids. From many people. At least 3 that i've met have told me that its good for recall/luciding (even if they didn't know what a lucid dream was) and someone on the forums mentioned it was good for recall aswell. So, I'd give it a go. Maybe have some cheese with it. :)

[ZmillA]

wait, so you actually got nerve damage from B6? how much did you take 100mg?

whats the usual dose that you arent advised to take above? isnt like 250?

[harvey123456]

wait, so you actually got nerve damage from B6? how much did you take 100mg?

whats the usual dose that you arent advised to take above? isnt like 250?

I think it was due to consistent high doses. Of roughly 200mg. He told me it was not permenant, just pain.

Also, there may have been big extraneous variables, which he doesn't wish to disclose. SO don't worry too much. read the guidelines carefully, and consult a medical practitioner.

[ZmillA]

I think it was due to consistent high doses. Of roughly 200mg. He told me it was not permenant, just pain.

Also, there may have been big extraneous variables, which he doesn't wish to disclose. SO don't worry too much. read the guidelines carefully, and consult a medical practitioner.

hmm thats what I thought

[Tsiyeria]

Why not consult an ND as well? A Naturopathic Doctor would be more likely to know little details like that, since they study the interactions of herbs and vitamins in your body. They would also be more likely to know which herbs and vitamins would interfere or interact with pharmaceuticals.

Definitely keep seeing your MD, since he can tell you about the prescription drugs and whatnot, I just don't see any reason not to consult an ND in their own field.

[harvey123456]

Why not consult an ND as well? A Naturopathic Doctor would be more likely to know little details like that, since they study the interactions of herbs and vitamins in your body. They would also be more likely to know which herbs and vitamins would interfere or interact with pharmaceuticals.

Definitely keep seeing your MD, since he can tell you about the prescription drugs and whatnot, I just don't see any reason not to consult an ND in their own field.

Is that alternative medicine?

[Tsiyeria]

Sort of. Naturopathy is the study of curing disease and keeping the body healthy and balanced, using natural medicine. So, technically, yes, in the meaning that it's not pharmaceutical medicine, and no, in the meaning that natural medicine *was* here first.

Either way, a Naturopath DOES have to go to school, just like a Medical Doctor.

[Tsiyeria]

*sigh* That's the attitude I can't understand. You believe that chemicals that make you sick will heal you (and I do acknowledge that they have their place), and yet you can't accept that a completely natural herb can help you, without any unnecessary side-effects?

Please explain this idea to me. I don't understand it.

[Tsiyeria]

It was a suggestion. If you wanted foot medicine, you would go see a podiatrist. If you needed work on your teeth, you would do to an orthodontist. If you need consultation on herbs, why not go see a naturopathic doctor?

*shrug* Just my two cents.

[Tsiyeria]

:lol: You would like that, wouldn't you. Nonono...Remember, I'm an uncultured li'l hicktown girl from the YOUnited States of aMAIRica!

[Tsiyeria]

...Right. I'm sure you would like that opportunity, but you see, that was sarcasm. I'm already cultured, thank you. Just because I haven't heard of a book you're reading doesn't mean I'm an uncultured heathen.

Anyway. I'm going to stop now, before this thread becomes COMPLETELY hijacked.

[Tsiyeria]

Because I don't like you. That doesn't seem to be translating. I am not being coy, or playing hard to get. I simply do not like you.

[wiltors42]

Okay, okay I think that's enough. :roll:

[Tsiyeria]

Indeed.

[harvey123456]

Six posts in a row, you're crazy.

[Conquer]

It seems almost like someone deleted posts in between. Or perhaps he forgot how to use quotations..?

[Tsiyeria]

:lol: Wow. And here he is trying to convince me he's all grown up.

Anyway. I suppose we can gather that Psych's Drug Taking experiment has come to an end?

[Conquer]

Maybe one of his experiments went bad :O

(really bad) :O

[DreamChaser]

Easy to see which members are participants in the testing.
:D

[harvey123456]

:lol: Wow. And here he is trying to convince me he's all grown up.

Anyway. I suppose we can gather that Psych's Drug Taking experiment has come to an end?

Maybe one of his experiments went bad :O

(really bad) :O

Easy to see which members are participants in the testing.
:D

Shame..... your lack of faith that is.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Steak - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/3591/2
Banana - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1846/2

B vitamin content in a single 13 oz sirloin steak:

B3 - 33.7 mg = 169% RDI
B6 - 2.6 mg = 128% RDI
B12 - 5.5 mcg = 92% RDI
B1 - 0.3 mg = 22% RDI
B2 - 0.6 mg = 36% RDI
B5 - 2.3 mg = 23% RDI
Plus others that are not tested by that website.

Bananas contain less than steak, but much more than 1% of the RDI

Considering synthetic vitamins are not as bioavailable, and are often
not recognized by the body and therefore rapidly excreted in the urine,
you will get way more vitamins from food than a pill. Also there are
other factors in food that are important parts of metabolism, when you take
vitamins without these synergistic components it can cause toxicity to the body.

"Isolated vitamins and minerals don't occur in the food chain, but are formed in relationship to many other food constituents. In the food chain, vitamins are always molecularly bound to proteins. The protein attachment appears to be the transport vehicle for vitamins in living systems. This accounts for the low bioavailability or utilization and assimilation of synthetic and isolated vitamins or minerals in the human body."

"Over 97% of vitamin and mineral supplements now being sold in "health food" stores contain these synthetic or isolated and fragmented vitamins and minerals. Such vitamin and mineral supplements were found to be toxic or ineffective or both! These synthetic vitamin and mineral supplements are inexpensive to manufacture and produce huge profits for the makers and marketers of these products."

The Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association (Winter, 1999)


Hope this helps you change your mind, I just don't want people paying to cause
themselves harm.
right, hes better off eating all the very high vitamin food that is grown on land that doesnt go fallow for decades, or ever :roll:

[lucid4sho]

right, hes better off eating all the very high vitamin food that is grown on land that doesnt go fallow for decades, or ever :roll:

Farmers can't afford to stop production and let the land replenish its nutrients, thats why organic farmers use compost and/or other forms of organic fertilizer, and non-organic farmers use synthetic fertilizer, which imo is still better than eating the synthetic nutrients directly. What do you suggest, living off tablets?

[DreamChaser]

Sorry, what are we all talking about?

I saw the topic heading about drug taking, but it seems to be about fruit, vegetables and vitamins.
I grew up being told vitamins were not drugs. Was I wrong?
:roll:

[lucid4sho]

Sorry, what are we all talking about?

I saw the topic heading about drug taking, but it seems to be about fruit, vegetables and vitamins.
I grew up being told vitamins were not drugs. Was I wrong?
:roll:

That was the first point I made in my first post. -> "Aside from the caffeine in the green tea extract, none of those supplements can really be categorized as drugs."

[harvey123456]

Whoa whoa whoa, take this cynical shit out of my thread.

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10063/gtfo~4.jpg

[DreamChaser]

Sorry dude,
If we didn't debate or question anything, we would never learn anything.
It seems relevant to the topic to me, and if not to you, be more specific in your headings.
And to use that sort of response, it's nothing short of hypocrisy.
I will leave you and your precious thread alone, not to worry.

[OmnipotentTitan]

Sorry dude,
If we didn't debate or question anything, we would never learn anything.
It seems relevant to the topic to me, and if not to you, be more specific in your headings.
And to use that sort of response, it's nothing short of hypocrisy.
I will leave you and your precious thread alone, not to worry. Harvey didnt make the thread.

[ClouD]

Harvey didnt make the thread.
In a...previous...life :lol:

Six posts in a row, you're crazy.
LOL @ this.

Excellent work!

[Tsiyeria]

Harvey didnt make the thread.

Wow. Just...Wow.

[DreamChaser]

Whoa whoa whoa, take this cynical shit out of my thread.

Sorry, just saw this and responded.
What sort of a boring site would this be if we didn't debate anything is all.
I may take a few vitamins, and eat some fruit, but I don't take drugs.
:D

[ClouD]

Sorry, just saw this and responded.
What sort of a boring site would this be if we didn't debate anything is all.
I may take a few vitamins, and eat some fruit, but I don't take drugs.
:D
ClouD takes Nurofen sometimes.

[Robot_Butler]

Farmers can't afford to stop production and let the land replenish its nutrients, thats why organic farmers use compost and/or other forms of organic fertilizer, and non-organic farmers use synthetic fertilizer, which imo is still better than eating the synthetic nutrients directly. What do you suggest, living off tablets?

Thanks to modern farming and food preservation techniques, our current food is more nutritious and vitamin rich than ever before. The idea that our food is somehow depleted of vitamins is a myth propagated by supplement companies trying to peddle their pills.

Also, (counter-intuitively) if you want the most vitamin rich fruits and vegetables, buy them frozen. Frozen produce is picked at the peak of ripeness, then frozen right away. This makes it better for you than fresh produce, which is picked under-ripe and then shipped and shelved to ripen.

I know I'm a little late. Better late than never :D

[Tsiyeria]

While true, in order to eat frozen produce, most people cook it, thereby bleaching most of the nutrients out of it.

Same with fresh, but it's easier to eat raw fresh produce. :)

[harvey123456]

While true, in order to eat frozen produce, most people cook it, thereby bleaching most of the nutrients out of it.

Same with fresh, but it's easier to eat raw fresh produce. :)

Now that is true.