Can someone clear this up for me? about hypnagogic stuff..

[ZmillA]

okay so when people say they see stuff, patterns, images or whatever. Do they mean they "see" this stuff in their head or that they have SP and can see this stuff with their eyes open?

Im just confused that so many tuts and threads say things about "seeing" things when trying to wild, but I thought you were supposed to have your eyes closed?

[Snowy Egypt]

Your eyes are closed when WILDing. What you are "seeing" is HI, or Hynogogic Imagery. It's kind of like hallucinations, so to speak. I believe it is in your head.

[SomeDreamer]

Actually I think there's two sides of this.

Ever heard about the old hag syndrome? If not you can quickly look it up through google, but here you certainly do have chances of "seeing" a dark shadowly figure with your eyes open.

On the other hand you can also see these pictures, patters, etc while trying to WILD (when you're slipping into a dream, on your way into one and so on)

Im just confused that so many tuts and threads say things about "seeing" things when trying to wild, but I thought you were supposed to have your eyes closed?

In this case I'm certain you're supposed to have your eyes closed. You're trying to fall asleep!:) hehe. So these is most certainly pictures happening in your head.



Like Snowy Egypt said, it's a state of HI:)

[Snowy Egypt]

Actually I think there's two sides of this.

Ever heard about the old hag syndrome? If not you can quickly look it up through google, but here you certainly do have chances of "seeing" a dark shadowly figure with your eyes open.


Gah, I have a love/hate relationship with that syndrome. It's only happened once, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure if I had my eyes open or not. :undecided:

[SomeDreamer]

Gah, I have a love/hate relationship with that syndrome. It's only happened once, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure if I had my eyes open or not.

Luckily for me I haven't experienced it yet. What a horrible experience it must be :/ The only thing I've had happened to me during an attempt at WILD was a quick feeling of an evil presence before I slipped into a dream. About having your eyes open or not, I think that may be subjective:) Because I'm almost certain that the old hag syndrome can happen when you're awake, but your body is still in a SP state.

[i make it rain]

How is this old hag thing different than a bad SP experience? I have personally heard people in the room that weren't really there. People say that they have the "cannot breathe" sensation during SP. So combine those and you get old hag. And in terms of the evilness of it, If I couldn't breathe I would have a sense of doom also.