HOILD--Hard-on Induced Lucid Dream

[ladoys]

A fast way to have sex in a dream is to HOILD. It's based around the theory that if you masturbate before going back to bed, you should be able to enter a Lucid sex dream. This is intended to work for males and females. I hope this helps all the beginners and whoever else that trys to lucid dream for the sex. Its worked for me more than a few times. I have been told by other people that it works pretty effectively since you need little past experience with WILD and it should be faster since it is boosted by masturbation.

People who have trouble with WILDing and getting relaxed should try this. If you hear of someone whos having trouble relaxing then send them here.

Here it is:

1. Go to bed just as normal. Autosuggestion may help.

2. Wake up after a few hours of sleep but not too late and not too early.

3. Masturbate to right before the point of climax(or near it). IMPORTANT: DO NOT CLIMAX. Failure to heed will result in falling asleep unconsciously and you lose your shot at Lucidity!

4. Go back to sleep. Just going back to sleep may give you a sex dream but you will only be lucid if you attempt to remain conscious.

TIPS: This may be more helpful if you combine it with WBTB but it is not necessary. Mostly whatever is better for you. The masturbation alone may be enough for you to remain conscious as sleep sets in. But if it isnt, try going to the bathroom BEFORE you masturbate. Make sure masturbation is the thing you do before you go to bed. That is the key. I have also been told that it is easier to remember them when you haven't had sex or masturbated in more than a day. (Its not that long, don't worry)

And yes, you could go to completion you just need to make sure you can keep conscious.

Feel free to use any way you like to stay awake, be it counting breaths, meditating, etc.

Good Luck!

[The Prodigy]

So basically i wake up, take a piss, masturbate until just before climax, then go back to sleep?

Sounds simple enough should i combine this with pornographic images or videos?

[D1M3B4G]

Wow that's some crazy stuff. I just might have to try it one day.

[DreamPirate]

I had this one last night, although I went past the climax... I fell right asleep after it.
I woke out of my sex dream in the morning. I don't think it was really lucid though, it was very very vivid but I didn't really control everything.

Anyway, I'd like to hear if other people have any success with this method.
This was my strongest (vivid/lucid) dream in years.

[DreamChaser]

Sounds cool.

I can think of another angle on this could help WILDs.
Masturbate to completion. (Guys that is...girls will be wide awake)

We all know it makes you tired and your body very tired.
So we take B6 or coffee or anything like an hour before to keep yourself awake because
I guarantee your body will go to sleep mighty quick.
Keep your mind awake and that's one quick WILD right there.
:banana:

[DreamPirate]

Sounds cool.

I can think of another angle on this could help WILDs.
Masturbate to completion. (Guys that is...girls will be wide awake)

We all know it makes you tired and your body very tired.
So we take B6 or coffee or anything like an hour before to keep yourself awake because
I guarantee your body will go to sleep mighty quick.
Keep your mind awake and that's one quick WILD right there.
:banana:

The B6 and coffee part sounds very interesting, I'm definitely gonna try B6 with it tonight.
Maybe take the B6 with some apple juice, it could add something to the vividness of the dream.

I'll post my experiences tomorrow, hope some other people will try this one too.

[Scarhand]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep myself from laughing when I read the title.

[slayer]

Will this work if you just do it before going to bed instead of going to sleep, waking up, then doing it?

[donnieb2]

Sound's good to me except the wake back to bed part I have a hard time waking myself. And when i do it take's a while to fall back asleep so i got to try this the hard way good ol sleep dep :shock: But i wonder while trying this is there somthing you should focus on while going back to bed ? Such as the last thing you remember before bed.Or just think about who you would like to met in your dreams?:D:D:D

[ladoys]

Will this work if you just do it before going to bed instead of going to sleep, waking up, then doing it?

I guess its worth a try but you shouldnt count on lucidity.

[SKA]

Hmm experienced this before. Good to hear it confirmed by others too.
Maybe in our Queste for Lucidity we will from now on look uppon our Genitals as a tool to Brighten & Sharpen our Awareness. Go to bed, Close eyes, Analyse; Too Wakefull? Relax. Too Sleepy? Stimulate Genitals untill desired level of Wakefullness is obtained. Stop Stimulation.

[MRooney]

Blue Balls

[Draoi]

I've thought of this idea already, but I haven't tried it yet.

[ttraverse]

Hmm experienced this before. Good to hear it confirmed by others too.
Maybe in our Queste for Lucidity we will from now on look uppon our Genitals as a tool to Brighten & Sharpen our Awareness. Go to bed, Close eyes, Analyse; Too Wakefull? Relax. Too Sleepy? Stimulate Genitals untill desired level of Wakefullness is obtained. Stop Stimulation.


Your descriptive instructions amuse me. I have also done this (unitentionally as I was too tired to finish) and it really does work. Nothing like a nice sexy dream to start the day off right.

[TheMoon]

Hmm experienced this before. Good to hear it confirmed by others too.
Maybe in our Queste for Lucidity we will from now on look uppon our Genitals as a tool to Brighten & Sharpen our Awareness. Go to bed, Close eyes, Analyse; Too Wakefull? Relax. Too Sleepy? Stimulate Genitals untill desired level of Wakefullness is obtained. Stop Stimulation.

Hehe and now one more. Whole reason i came to these forums, this same exact situation happened to me the other night, sleep, wake up a few hours later, pee, masterbate, go lay down and dont goto sleep, lucid dream.

Perfect WILD i could ever wish for.

Last night however i tried not masterbating, even tho i know i should of, i almost got into a lucid dream, my body was just starting to fall asleep, but i just couldn't relax enough...

Maybe tonight if i wake up in the middle of the night ill masterbate this time and see if it helps me WILD again like the other night.

How ever one thing, when i went into that WILD after masterbating, i didn't care much for having sex anymore, i just wanted to see where my mind could take me.

Anyways.... :)

Hope any of this helps.

[Ozzi99]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep myself from laughing when I read the title.

LOL :laughhard: Such a mad name for a technique :P

[ladoys]

Please post your results. I'd like to know where this gets people. ;)

[AKycekRB20]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep myself from laughing when I read the title.

LOL me too. . . This is interesting though for sure. I might try it sometime if I wake up in the middle of the night and can remember to do it.

[Casualtie]

It may or may not result in a lucid dream, but it'll most definitely result in a wet dream.

[Secret Neo]

seems like a cool technique. any success lately? i remember one time i did it hands free, that would help out with this, but it was a one time deal and takes practice.

[iank]

You people are fun.

LOL

[Marvo]

seems like a cool technique. any success lately? i remember one time i did it hands free, that would help out with this, but it was a one time deal and takes practice.

Oh I've almost done that, it's amazing.

About this entire technique, I could certainly try it, though it sounds a bit doubtful.

[Cacophony]

So... what would the female version be of this?

I'll let you guys know if I figure it out.

[Tweek]

So... what would the female version be of this?

I'll let you guys know if I figure it out.

You expect us to know? :eek:

Yes, please do.

[Casualtie]

Wake up in the middle of the night. Play around with your weewoo, but don't climax. Go back to sleep. lol

[Secret Neo]

lmao, ya its just the same, just with different...parts.

[nightflyer]

People who have trouble with WILDing and getting relaxed should try this. If you hear of someone whos having trouble relaxing then send them here.

feels free to use any way you like to stay awake, be it counting breaths, meditating, etc.

Good Luck!

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Just like everything else, there are some undesirable side-effect that you should know about...especially for MEN. :eek:

Some background info:

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

DHT is the primary contributing factor in male-pattern baldness. DHT may play a role in the development or exacerbation of benign prostatic hyperplasia, or BPH, and prostate cancer, by enlarging the prostate gland (Can someone said incontinence) :P

This is not the case for women; female-pattern baldness is characterized by increased rates of production of testosterone, but not of DHT. Women with increased levels of DHT may develop certain androgynous male secondary sex characteristics, including a deepened voice and facial hair

Over-masturbation/Over-ejaculation triggers excessive conversion of testosterone to DHT in the prostate and testicles. This is why frequent orgasm can cause excessive DHT level in the bloodstream.
Excessive fantasizing can also over-excite the hypothalamus oxytocinergic nervous system and thus cause excessive testosterone-DHT conversion. On the other hand (:lol:…no pun intended), excessive orgasm also produce excessive prolactin and epinephrine to induce the arterial constriction for a poor blood circulation everywhere in your body, particularly, scalp, prostate and joints (weak legs symptom).

Interestingly, 5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) can reduce the epinephrine release from the hypothalamus, brain stem and adrenal medulla. This reduction in epinephrine probably produces an increase in relaxation response for the physical body. Which translate to less interference from our conscious mind into our dream and therefore our dream become more vivid.

So basically, you will be bald old men living in the oncology ward with weak legs and have to go to the bathroom constantly :boogie:

[Lionsroar]

wtf? thats the dumbest thing i've heard. wack of and you go bald?

[nightflyer]

wtf? thats the dumbest thing i've heard. wack of and you go bald?

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Masturbation in itself is NOT a bad thing. What I said is that OVER doing it can leads to problems...like trying to do it every night to induce a LD as suggested by the original poster of this thread.

Check out this website and judge for yourself:

http://www.herballove.com/article.asp?art=62

http://www.herballove.com/mas/

These articles are written by certified Doctors...I didn't wrote them.

Nightflyer

[Lionsroar]

Lol i dont want to get into one of those flame-fighting-back-and-forth threads but my last post on this topic :P

http://menshealth.about.com/od/sexualhealth/f/masturbation8.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_masturbation_cause_baldness
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080123112853AAp91Xh&show=7

that herballove site is kinda scammy.. just plain ads all over the site

[iank]

That's the dumbest f*****g thing I've ever heard. Wouldn't have been written by the same nutjobs who tell you it can make you blind too, would it?

Hilariously stupid.:banana:

[Seeks_Knowledge]

Excessive fantasizing can also over-excite the hypothalamus oxytocinergic nervous system and thus cause excessive testosterone-DHT conversion.

Please elaborate. Where did you hear this? I can't find anything on herballove.com or anywhere else that claims this.

Also, would you happen to know if it's just actual ejaculation that triggers testosterone-DHT conversion or sexual stimulation (ie. masturbation/sex) itself that triggers testosterone-DHT conversion?

Does masturbation/sex without ejaculating raise DHT levels?

[nightflyer]

Hi Seeks Knowledge,

Concerning the "Excessive fantasizing", it came up in one of the discussion in a taoist forum which I copy down but now I can't find the original thread. So I just put it out here. You be the judge whether it's "stupid" or not ;)

On your second question: I'm leaning toward the theory that the actual ejaculation is responsible for the test-DHT conversion. Just because so many taoist books warned against ejaculation.

Maybe if you masturbate/sex without ejeculation then you can get the benefit of not getting prostate cancer and other nasty side-effects. But I doubted it from reading the thread here that these people have any self-control at all to stop there if you know what I meant.

And responsing to some people in the "stupid/dumb" posts (sophisticated vocabulary...:roll:). I'm just going to take a high road here like Lionsroar and let the back-and-forth post be my last here. But let me add that just because you have never heard of it or if you hear it for the first time and you don't like it, doesn't make it "stupid". At least it prompted Lionsroar to do some research that may someday save his life :lol:

[Lionsroar]

hey you know what nightflyer.. now your saying it CAUSES prostate cancer? jeesh. seriously, gtfo. It might someday save my life? wow talk about arogance.

no offense, but your a woman, I'm sure alot of men wouldnt take whatever you say seriously on this subject. You dont see men coming on some ranom female orgasm thread and proclaiming some half-baked idea that sexual activity can lead to breast cancer or brain tumors and then point to some site that basically sells drugs like viagra for proof.

Go away.

[Iamerik]

Apply directly to the forehead.

A little intentional title misreading on my side, cookies for who gets it :roll:

[nightflyer]

hey you know what nightflyer.. now your saying it CAUSES prostate cancer? jeesh. seriously, gtfo. It might someday save my life? wow talk about arogance.

no offense, but your a woman, I'm sure alot of men wouldnt take whatever you say seriously on this subject. You dont see men coming on some ranom female orgasm thread and proclaiming some half-baked idea that sexual activity can lead to breast cancer or brain tumors and then point to some site that basically sells drugs like viagra for proof.

Go away.

Geez, and I thought you said that your other post was going to be "your last post"...

Let me be a bigger woMAN here and appologized to YOU! I don't meant to be arrogance toward you in anyway. I'm just stating my womanly opinion. That is what this "discussion" forum is all about...DISCUSSION. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. And yet you don't see me calling your post ignorance and stupid.

"You're a woman, I'm sure alot of men wouldnt take whatever you say seriously on this subject."

Seriously, you sound like a male shovenist.

"You dont see men coming on some ranom female orgasm thread and proclaiming some half-baked idea that sexual activity can lead to breast cancer or brain tumors"

Last time I checked this was a thread about lucid dream induction technique.

"and then point to some site that basically sells drugs like viagra for proof."

I apologized for using this site as an example. I also don't approved of this site. But they have some interesting theory concerning brain chemistry pathways and some actual MDs to back it up. Unlike your websites example in Men's Health magazine where they answered in one short sentence..."Urr...Masturbation is OK". Also in their magazine where every other page is an article about how to enhance male sexual prowess. Well dud...of course they are going to said that Masturbation is going to be ok. And did you notice who answer these questions? Not any MDs that I know of...probably some adolescence sitting in the back room typing out these answer while masturbating to a separate screen with porn on his computer :P

P.S. If you choose to reply again, may I suggest that you not using words like "dumb, stupid, or half-baked". It just show a lot more about yourself then about what we are discussing here.

Nightflyer

[DanielWestman]

nightflyer and Lionsroar, let's get back on topic?
Here's how it is, no one knows if overejaculation causes prostate cancer. Everyone says different things and no one can know for sure who's correct. It's like a couple of years ago when someone claimed you could get cancer from potato chips, is that true? No one knows.

Older studies says the risk to get prostate cancer is higher if you ejaculate frequently but newer studies(2003 and 2004) has concluded the risk for prostate cancer decreases the more you masturbate/ejaculate.

So you see, both of you are correct and niether opinion is wrong.
I'm betting my money on the newest research though.
Not so long ago you could get all kinds of diseases from masturbating, well that's what the church claimed anyway.


As for this technique, I'll definitely try it out some night.

[Lionsroar]

Look Nightflyer, I'm not gonna get into those internet forum arguments where we analyze each section of the post and crique and so on.
I'll try..

1. "Seriously, you sound like a male shovenist." We'll I'm sorry you took it that way. Its very hard to not sound like a sexist bastard on the internet. Very hard.

2. I said I wouldnt reply.. and then you go and make some dumb comment like "At least it prompted Lionsroar to do some research that may someday save his life". Isnt that arrogant? AND coming from the opposite sex? that somehow whatever your saying is gospel and is for my ultimate good? thats just some superiority complex there.

3. I have no problem with your "theory" :P its just how 'said' it.

So lets forget about it okay? you dont have a penis to ejaculate and lose your hair, and I wont listen to you. :) win-win

[ladoys]

calm down people haah i've tried this technique and it works XD just dont do it too much or your dream person will become obsessed with it.

[hectord_ng88]

I empirically discover this method last month. One day at the middle of the night I wake up, I don’t know why, then I just feel that it would be nice a little hand job, after that I got slept . Unfortunately I wasn’t lucid but it was the most vivid I can remember.

I will try it again today, let’s see what happens

[iank]

The phrase "dumbass" seriously applies to someone in this thread.:roll:

[Casualtie]

This is like asking for a wet dream :oops:

[Spiderman_859]

Hahaha... great idea guy. I think it kinda sucks that I can't finish but I guess that's not so bad. One thing that I thought of while I was reading through this thread is that you could make sex a dream sign because my instinct tells me that if you use this technique that the content of the dreams to follow will be very sexual in nature. Does that make sense? Do your hoild and then make an effort to rc anytime you do anything remotely sexual. I guess this is like a physical dream induction idea.

[skuruza]

lol this sounds very interesting will give it a try. hehehe this made me laugh.

all the best

[Snuggleumpakis]

Yeah I do this stuff alot like 9 times a day. But it doesn't always work out right for me. Sometimes I accidentally forget to go back to sleep or I accidentally climax but yeah I do it all the time =]

[DreamQueen]

Tried this last night. All I got was a boring and long nonlucid dream the whole time during which I was horny as a bastard but unable to do anything about it. I was with this group of people and we were climbing along roller coaster tracks out in the wilderness. There was no chance for sex or even going solo.

Woke up at 3am and tried to WILD. Couldn't sleep so got off, dropped straight to sleep and had another nonlucid dream in which I came a few times but didn't get lucid. Shame. I'd rather have the lucidity.

I'm going to have to add "horniness" to my list of times to do RCs. Great. I might as well just clip a peg to my nose.

[DreamQueen]

Sorry but you have to laugh at how desperate we all are to LD! I mean FFS what next? Set Yourself On Fire Induced Lucid Dream? :evil:

[Snuggleumpakis]

Sorry but you have to laugh at how desperate we all are to LD! I mean FFS what next? Set Yourself On Fire Induced Lucid Dream? :evil:
Hey great idea! I think I might try that =D

[DestFinis]

I tried this last night.

Didn't work for me. I was horny and was going for a sleep paralysis approach into a LD.

All it did was keep me up for 2 hours.

:(

Okay...it might have worked. I completely forgot all of my dreams though because of my annoying niece and nephew making so much noise in the morning.

EDIT: Okay, I have another idea. => BBILD - Blue Balls Induced Lucid Dream. Going to sleep with Blue Balls is undoubtedly going to give you a wet dream right? That means not masturbating or having sex for at least a week, then masturbating to the point of climax until your testicles hurt (vasocongestion) then stopping, and going to sleep. Might be a good idea, right?

[Parakonstantius]

Geez, and I thought you said that your other post was going to be "your last post"...

Let me be a bigger woMAN here and appologized to YOU! I don't meant to be arrogance toward you in anyway. I'm just stating my womanly opinion. That is what this "discussion" forum is all about...DISCUSSION. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. And yet you don't see me calling your post ignorance and stupid.

"You're a woman, I'm sure alot of men wouldnt take whatever you say seriously on this subject."

Seriously, you sound like a male shovenist.

"You dont see men coming on some ranom female orgasm thread and proclaiming some half-baked idea that sexual activity can lead to breast cancer or brain tumors"

Last time I checked this was a thread about lucid dream induction technique.

"and then point to some site that basically sells drugs like viagra for proof."

I apologized for using this site as an example. I also don't approved of this site. But they have some interesting theory concerning brain chemistry pathways and some actual MDs to back it up. Unlike your websites example in Men's Health magazine where they answered in one short sentence..."Urr...Masturbation is OK". Also in their magazine where every other page is an article about how to enhance male sexual prowess. Well dud...of course they are going to said that Masturbation is going to be ok. And did you notice who answer these questions? Not any MDs that I know of...probably some adolescence sitting in the back room typing out these answer while masturbating to a separate screen with porn on his computer :P

P.S. If you choose to reply again, may I suggest that you not using words like "dumb, stupid, or half-baked". It just show a lot more about yourself then about what we are discussing here.

Nightflyer

He's a male Shoe-venist, then? I am really not sure who to agree with, but seriously, his point was that most males aren't going to listen from sexual advice from the opposite sex because we understand ourselves more than you do.

[DreamQueen]

He's a male Shoe-venist, then? I am really not sure who to agree with, but seriously, his point was that most males aren't going to listen from sexual advice from the opposite sex because we understand ourselves more than you do.

I wouldn't worry too much. Those posts are two months old. Somehow this thread has been revived. I'm glad because it's a great thread and I really think this is going to work for me! Watch this space!

Now all we need is a little emoticon of a hand job. Here this is close enough :laugh:

[DestFinis]

It's spelled chauvinist...

And I feel bad that girls/women are left out in this thread.

Unless of course menstrual cycles count.

[SKA]

It's spelled chauvinist...

And I feel bad that girls/women are left out in this thread.

Unless of course menstrual cycles count.

I really don't see how this would be any less effective for women...
We have different hardware, but the software is pretty similair.

Stimulate genitals: Excitement, rise in awareness/wakefullness.
Ain't that so for both boys and girls?

If I didn't know better I might actually believe you guys were indeed being chauvinists. You guys might want to stop the nay-saying and get back ontopic.

[DestFinis]

Stimulate genitals: Excitement, rise in awareness/wakefullness.
Ain't that so for both boys and girls?


I forgot that women can have vasocongestion as well.

I'll rename my idea to VCILD then...:lol:

[ladoys]

Ha its not my fault I just copied and pasted from another website.

[DreamQueen]

And I feel bad that girls/women are left out in this thread.

Left out? Someone didn't read post #46! I'm lovin' this technique!

[Kiss Me]

Left out? Someone didn't read post #46! I'm lovin' this technique!

As am I!

I've attempted to try it a few times, but I've got absolutely no willpower. :roll: Maybe I'll try again in a few days.

Anyway, the few times when I attempted to try this technique (and failed ;)) I had what could have been two sex dreams if they had the chance to go on a bit longer. Or maybe they were sex dreams and I can't remember anymore!
Either way, mbating before bed seems to trigger something for me!

[DreamQueen]

Yup. It is soooooooo unbelievably difficult to stop during the "preparation" phase!

[dorpis]

What the hell is climax? o_o

[DreamChaser]

After it, us guys just roll over and go to sleep.
Lets face it.
Anyone who can stop before climax and get up and go to bed, I will see you at the monastery.

:D

[dorpis]

What is climax? D:<

[DestFinis]

A climax is the most action-oriented part of a movie, basically the part everyone remembers the most.

It is also the name of a video game company behind the game "Silent Hill: Origins" for the PSP and PS2.

[DreamChaser]

A climax is also a brand of condom.
What they are used for I don't know.

[Exdream]

This thread is hilarious.
<3 it.

[DreamChaser]

Here is the technical flow chart:

AWAKE > http://i39.tinypic.com/2cndu8g.gif > LUCID

[Lionsroar]

A climax is the most action-oriented part of a movie, basically the part everyone remembers the most.

It is also the name of a video game company behind the game "Silent Hill: Origins" for the PSP and PS2.

LOL

[Jadestar]

What is climax? D:<

Another name for the anime series, The Big O.

[Bearsy]

What is climax? D:<

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http://i36.tinypic.com/mbn9t4.gif

[Jadestar]

Bruce Willis was dead at the end of Sixth Sense and I JIZZED IN MY PANTS!!!

[DestFinis]

http://i33.tinypic.com/15n9ac7.gif
http://i37.tinypic.com/24wufea.gif
http://i36.tinypic.com/mbn9t4.gif

Nobody looks like that when they.

But if they were more....attractive I would look like that when I.

[Brassfire]

Haha, this sounds really painful to me. I guess I just don't have that much self-control.

[Bearsy]

Nobody looks like that when they.

But if they were more....attractive I would look like that when I.

lolwut?