Placebo
10-12-2004, 08:27 AM
Everyone hates disclaimers, but they’re necessary ;)
By reading this, you agree to the the following:
Any results of this experiment are the product of your own actions. You will not hold me accountable for those actions. I addition, you will not accuse me of any variety of misinformation, as I do not claim to be an expert in these matters. The information I provide is based off of my own experiences only. You will present any criticism in a dignified, constructive manner.
Oh, just one other thing - if anyone considers themselves to be close-minded (or has been called that), then it might freak you out. Assuming it works out the way I hope it will :)
Moving on…
Phase 1 Experiment
Please note that this experiment isnt directly related to lucid dreams, but will become marginally related in phase 2 (if you are fairly good with lucid dreams anyway - but dont worry I have alternatives).
Even if it had nothing to do with lucid dreams, DreamViews is my home, and its the closest forum on the subject I could find (that has a certain amount of credibility anyway)
I’m going to be deliberately vague at this point of the experiment. I wish everyone to try this experiment without knowledge of where I’m going with it.
The only solace to you all is the assurance that it’s a completely simple, harmless experiment that anybody can do with some simple objects.
As the experiment goes on, I will elaborate and expand on my theories and the experiments to test these theories. I don’t claim necessarily that the experiments prove the theory entirely, but they should point in the general direction.
Requirements:
- 1 Pin or needle
- 1 mall piece of paper. 1cm by 1cm approximately
- 1 Bowl, preferably with large diameter. Shallow if possible
- 1 Firm, stable desk
- 1 Chair to sit in
- A bathroom with taps and running water
- Yourself
Steps:
1. Touch all the above requirements (as for the last one, please keep focussed :D)
2. Take the bowl with you and go to the bathroom, wash your hands and be sure to touch the metal tap (or the water pipe if you don’t have metal taps). This should remove any static charge you have.
3. Pour water into bowl, such that the water has at least a 20 cm diameter across (or more).
4. Carefully take the bowl back to your desk. Place the pin, paper, and chair nearby
5. Sit down (in chair)
6. Carefully place the piece of paper in the middle of the water, so that it floats
7. Carefully place the pin on the middle of the paper. You should now have a floating pin ;)
8. Carefully touch the pin and the water (to balance out any static charge problems)
9. Carefully move the pin into a position where the pin is pointing away from your body. Make sure the pin settles to a stop in that position (more or less, doesn’t have to be perfect). It has to be still though.
10. Take your left index finger and place it above the water, slightly to the left of the pin, and about 3/4 up the pin (from the nearest point from yourself). You should be holding your finger near the left of the pin and above the water, but not touching the water.
11. Do the same with your right index finger, however this one you place on the RIGHT of the pin and ¼ up the pin (from the nearest point from yourself. Don’t touch the water. It should look something like this (apologies for bad drawing):
http://www.dreamviews.com/mods/Placebo/waterpin.jpg
12. Does the pin rotate clockwise (slowly) ? If not, try slightly different positions. Don’t touch the water or the pin however
13. Repeat process 10 through 12 a couple of times, noticing the results. Reverse your fingers and see if anything changes.
Thanks for choosing my experiment... stupid and simple so far isnt it?
I promise it should get quite interesting
Results :
Choose one of the 3 as your answer:
1. It didn’t move at all. Or when it did, it was just me breathing heavily, or the wind. Or someone bumping the table.
2. It moved perfectly – as though I had static on my fingers. As soon as I put my fingers in position, it slowly rotated around.
3. It was confusing. Sometimes I thought it was moving according to my fingers, but then it stopped and moved around again. Or did something I didn’t expect at all. It might have been my imagination that it moved anyway.
[NOTE]
I have not revealed the 'point' of this experiment yet, so please do not flame me about theories based on what you *think* I expect from the results. As for how controlled it is - I cannot set it up to be too complex, as I would have even less of the limited feedback I'm getting so far.
Thanks to all who try this out - heres a banana :banana: :P
Phase 1 Part B - for the keen :)
Heres a part 1B if you feel keen .... do this with a floating toothpick (no paper thingy)
Once again - don't try to move it, just sit there like that and see what happens
And remember to wait for the toothpick/needle to stop moving before doing it.
And make sure its nothing obvious like, breath or open windows .. or static..
Same result options as with the needle...
By reading this, you agree to the the following:
Any results of this experiment are the product of your own actions. You will not hold me accountable for those actions. I addition, you will not accuse me of any variety of misinformation, as I do not claim to be an expert in these matters. The information I provide is based off of my own experiences only. You will present any criticism in a dignified, constructive manner.
Oh, just one other thing - if anyone considers themselves to be close-minded (or has been called that), then it might freak you out. Assuming it works out the way I hope it will :)
Moving on…
Phase 1 Experiment
Please note that this experiment isnt directly related to lucid dreams, but will become marginally related in phase 2 (if you are fairly good with lucid dreams anyway - but dont worry I have alternatives).
Even if it had nothing to do with lucid dreams, DreamViews is my home, and its the closest forum on the subject I could find (that has a certain amount of credibility anyway)
I’m going to be deliberately vague at this point of the experiment. I wish everyone to try this experiment without knowledge of where I’m going with it.
The only solace to you all is the assurance that it’s a completely simple, harmless experiment that anybody can do with some simple objects.
As the experiment goes on, I will elaborate and expand on my theories and the experiments to test these theories. I don’t claim necessarily that the experiments prove the theory entirely, but they should point in the general direction.
Requirements:
- 1 Pin or needle
- 1 mall piece of paper. 1cm by 1cm approximately
- 1 Bowl, preferably with large diameter. Shallow if possible
- 1 Firm, stable desk
- 1 Chair to sit in
- A bathroom with taps and running water
- Yourself
Steps:
1. Touch all the above requirements (as for the last one, please keep focussed :D)
2. Take the bowl with you and go to the bathroom, wash your hands and be sure to touch the metal tap (or the water pipe if you don’t have metal taps). This should remove any static charge you have.
3. Pour water into bowl, such that the water has at least a 20 cm diameter across (or more).
4. Carefully take the bowl back to your desk. Place the pin, paper, and chair nearby
5. Sit down (in chair)
6. Carefully place the piece of paper in the middle of the water, so that it floats
7. Carefully place the pin on the middle of the paper. You should now have a floating pin ;)
8. Carefully touch the pin and the water (to balance out any static charge problems)
9. Carefully move the pin into a position where the pin is pointing away from your body. Make sure the pin settles to a stop in that position (more or less, doesn’t have to be perfect). It has to be still though.
10. Take your left index finger and place it above the water, slightly to the left of the pin, and about 3/4 up the pin (from the nearest point from yourself). You should be holding your finger near the left of the pin and above the water, but not touching the water.
11. Do the same with your right index finger, however this one you place on the RIGHT of the pin and ¼ up the pin (from the nearest point from yourself. Don’t touch the water. It should look something like this (apologies for bad drawing):
http://www.dreamviews.com/mods/Placebo/waterpin.jpg
12. Does the pin rotate clockwise (slowly) ? If not, try slightly different positions. Don’t touch the water or the pin however
13. Repeat process 10 through 12 a couple of times, noticing the results. Reverse your fingers and see if anything changes.
Thanks for choosing my experiment... stupid and simple so far isnt it?
I promise it should get quite interesting
Results :
Choose one of the 3 as your answer:
1. It didn’t move at all. Or when it did, it was just me breathing heavily, or the wind. Or someone bumping the table.
2. It moved perfectly – as though I had static on my fingers. As soon as I put my fingers in position, it slowly rotated around.
3. It was confusing. Sometimes I thought it was moving according to my fingers, but then it stopped and moved around again. Or did something I didn’t expect at all. It might have been my imagination that it moved anyway.
[NOTE]
I have not revealed the 'point' of this experiment yet, so please do not flame me about theories based on what you *think* I expect from the results. As for how controlled it is - I cannot set it up to be too complex, as I would have even less of the limited feedback I'm getting so far.
Thanks to all who try this out - heres a banana :banana: :P
Phase 1 Part B - for the keen :)
Heres a part 1B if you feel keen .... do this with a floating toothpick (no paper thingy)
Once again - don't try to move it, just sit there like that and see what happens
And remember to wait for the toothpick/needle to stop moving before doing it.
And make sure its nothing obvious like, breath or open windows .. or static..
Same result options as with the needle...