Polyphasic sleep cycles (uberman sleep cycle)

[vertical horizon]

Ok someone here on dreamviews mentioned polyphasic sleep cycle and i did about 4 hours of quick Google research on it and i think it would be a good idea to try it out

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/15/103358/720
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_i...lastnode_id=124 (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=892542&lastnode_id=124)


Check it out tell me what you think. I am wondering if we can get a group of us on dream views to try this out and record the findings if you want to help me in this experiment that would be great and we can start to think up a schedule

Also, it says that dreams are more intense and possibility of lucidity went UP!!!

Alright GIVE ME FEEDBACK!

[Seeker]

I looked into it a few months back, but could not find any way to work it into my schedule.

I hope maybe you can attract enough people to set up and run an experiment in the lab!

[vertical horizon]

Thats what I am hoping for but I'm not sure if anyone will take interest. I know that i would definatly try this. Anyways how could i spread the word and could you help me get it set up for the lab?

[Aquanina]

I would take part in your experiment if I thought it pertained to me...but I can typically get into an REM state at any time at any hour of the day and have LDs, how or why? I have no idea? I think its a state of mind?

[Seeker]

First thing you need to do is join the research team: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8700

Then follow the standard operating procedures outlined in the lab sticky.

Let me know if you have any questions. Hopefully you can get your experiment started soon.

[Ain]

Is there a way to sleep polyphasically if there's a 7-hour block every weekday where you can't sleep? I've read a few people's blogs who were all trying it with a core block of sleep and 1/2 hour naps throughout the day, but I think their biggest gap was five hours. Anyone have any ideas?

[Damascus]

sounds very promising, and a very interesting project!

This would be a great experiment for the lab, if you could get enough people who are willing to do this, but i think most would not be able to due to various reasons.
I would have loved to try this out, but since im a high school student which depends on me being fully awake in a 6-hour block of time its impossible :(
plus id have my parents down my throat if i got up and wandered round the house at 3am.
but all in all, brilliant project and i would be very interested to see the results!

im sure it would be a good sleep cycle for college students

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by Damascus
I would have loved to try this out, but since im a high school student which depends on me being fully awake in a 6-hour block of time its impossible :(

Not if you're one of those high school students who falls asleep for that 6 hour block of time.

Maths Teacher: Ben! What's x2*3 to the power of 4?
Ben: Mmm. sausages.
Maths Teacher: What?
Ben jerks awake.
Ben: Er...er.................
Maths Teacher: You weren't listening were you.
Ben: Nope.
Maths Teacher: Oh. Okay then.

[Ain]

Haha, too bad that won't work for me, my classes have about 10 kids in them on average... I tried to fall asleep in lunch today after reading this post and researching polyphasic sleeping last night, but it didn't work, girls kept touching my hair (guys, never grow your hair long and expect to be left alone :eek:). I'll have to wait until summer.... But think of how many more opportunities to try WILD and VILD and all those good things if you sleep every 3.5 hours! And it's a constant WB2B!

[Amethyst Star]

I think this would make a good summer / winter break project as a lot of ppl are in school right now. Just think on it. :)

-Amé

[What Is Real?]

next summer ill try this :)

[vertical horizon]

Well when i tried it (altough it was a sad attempt) I sleep during lunch, I would jsut go to the nurses office and tell her what I was doing and go to sleep and then she would wake me up when lunch was over. As you know christmas vacation is coming up!!! I am going to make a topic for the polyphasic sleep cycle experiment (P.S.C.E) sign up. sooooo if you think you could really commit to this and want to try it you can sign up there. Hopefully it will be up in a couple days.

[Ain]

I only have a half hour lunch :morecrying:

[TheUnknown]

I like the idea.. I might experiment with it when the summer rolls around again (unless I have a job during that time). It doesn't fit in with school though.. since I'd have to go with 6 hours of no sleep.

[loose id]

I'll try it as soon as sweeps are over (I work in television).

Prolly around th'end of th'month.

[pyrhho]

Yeah, once harvest is over i'm gonna give this a swing. maybe in a week or two. (i work on a farm)

[Fey]

I'll definetly join.

I can manage to get 20 to 30 minutes sleeps at my work 2 times and the weekend is coming up so I should be getting better in the middle of next week (so I hope at least). If not it doesn't matter much at all. I'll be working here for about a half year and maybe I won't get the chance to do something like this again ^^.

[Fey]

OK, I'll do this!
It just sounds great AND I can manage to bring such a schedule in line with my work for at least the next 6 months or so I guess.
I'll start right today!
I've got one question though, were shall I make one post that gets edited by me were I write down my data (since we are doing science here) ?
Should we start a thread for those data or has someone an other idea? For now I will write everything down on paper but some place in the labs-forum would be better I guess.

[Nighteyes]

This is, of course not good for you. But since that is obvious I won't dwell on it. Instead I propose a new plan - why not stay awake for 20 mins every four hours. mmmmm 22 hours sleep :mrgreen:

This thread needs a voice of reason or a motherly figure to tell you not to be so silly :P.

[Syntex]

Theres no evidence that it isn't good for you after your used to it.... So don't say that. The only bad thing about it is if your body is trying to heal.. which it does during N-REM (This sleep cycle supresses n-rem). If your healthy and over 18, You'll be fine, you can always dump it if it doesn't work for you.... wouldn't hurt to try.

-Daniel

[whoeverwearevox]

i have some worries and just some statements on this topic.

You do most of your growing when you're sleeping. If you shorten this period, you would most likely see a huge decrease in your growth.

This reminds me of the sleeping habits of a cat or a wolf. They sleep for about thirty minutes and stay awake for awhile. I also read about this Biologist that studied wild wolves and converted to their sleeping habits so he could observe them better. He said that he felt better on that schedule then he did when he was on a normal humans schedule.

With the work hours and demands of modern life, this may not be the most practical system of sleep. If you work in an office cubical and get a lunch break and that's it, i wouldnt recomend this to you. BUT!!! if you work at home, or get several opertunities to take a break durring the day, i couldn't see why you wouldnt be able to pull it off.

again i stress, if you're not done doing you're physical growing, i wouldn't try this "Uberman" sleep schedule untill you are done growing.

Vox :fro:

[Fey]

I'm on the third day now and for some strange reason I only feel a little tiered. My legs are getting tiny cramps once in a while but I'm not sure if it is closely related.
The first 5 times I just stood up after lying awake. After that I always dreamed... or maybe felt in some kind of uncontrolled thinking right after lying down.
As soon as I feel unhealty I will ofcourse stop this messing with my brain and body but tiil now it goes very fine. I'm asking myself how tomorrow will be. I'm working in an office but I'm free to choose when I make my rests as long as I'm 8 hours working a day. Falling asleep on a table is a speciality of mine that once was a burden at school-times but is now getting handy ^^.

I guess it's too fast for making conclusions but tiil now I really feel great.

Such an optimist :shakehead2:

[pyrhho]

Originally posted by Nighteyes
This thread needs a voice of reason or a motherly figure to tell you not to be so silly :P.

heh. i told my mom about it. she thinks it's cool if it works.

[Nighteyes]

hmm, try your gran then

Anyway, I found there's loads of good stuff about polyphasic sleep cycles out there - its not just the uberman sleep cycle there's others and a lot of good websites about. It would be good if we could find one that was well suited to lucid dreaming and perhaps not as extreme as ubermans. I for one cannot use ubermans because I have a skin condition and need my regen sleep. I might consider a cycle with the major part in the night - perhaps 3 cycles (around 4.5 hours) then nothing till much later in the day to produce rem sleep deprivation. The nap later in the day would then be my lucid dreaming nap :D

[Fey]

It's Day 6 in the morning... soon my world will be finished *smirk*

For some reason I always fall asleep around 0400 to 0700 for about one and a half or two hours in the morning and don't wake up on my alarm... the strange thing is that sometimes the alarm seemed to had rang for 5 minutes and stoped and on other days I seemed to have switched it off :P (that is quite a complex task even awake) but can't remember it. I want to remember my dreams and not forget what I'm diong when I'm awake!
If I really switched it off... :? ?
Except of that I'm doing fine with sleeping 5 times for 20min and one time for about 1hour and 30min. Thats a total of 3 hours and 10 minutes.

Now I'll start fighting that 1hour 30min block with all it takes to reduce it to 20min :mad: GAMBATTE!.

Hmm, let's see... I need a plank, a bowling bowling ball, several matches, toilet-paper, a hammer, 4 nails, 2 meter of cord and a fire drencher.
...
YES ! , that should work...
:bowdown: behold my waking-machine. I need a patent on that. Lets call it the wack-slap-wake-something... or sumethin... *vacantly mubling*

[Ginko]

I sense my science Fair Project falling right into my hands...

*what i havn't said anything for a few months*

[Kula]

I should be able to try this out in a week or two when my work hours are reduced.

I basically have nothing to do for the next 6 months or so until i go back to University, so this seems like a good project. Best of luck to anyone else trying this. 8)

[MeusOpusMagnus]

http://dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11892 - i have some articles up about that.

[i8aflea]

I'm new to this forum (and still trying to get the knack for LDing), but I do have some experience with Poly. I did this for a little over three years while in college. I was forced back into normal 8 hour sleep as Poly isn't conductive for normal society (8hr work days). I will tell you that I currently feel like my mind is in a haze... dull. I think the reason for this is actually a comparison for the clarity and sharpness while on the Poly schedule. It opens your mind to a point of laser accuracy. Kind of like having worn the wrong prescription for your entire life and finally getting the correct lenses. Now having seen that clarity, everything is back to the dullness... and I'm still not fully used to it. You must be a creative person to try this for more than a month or so... you need to utilize your time constructivly or this will be very harmful to yourself physically and emotionally, as you will have much more free time and complete focus to do.... whatever it is you do... write, study, invent, etc. Your diet should be spread out throughout the day, eat regularly and often, but only a little at a time... kind of like snacking every hour on healthy food... since your body is running fast, you need to supply it with a bit more fuel... and lots of water. Someone mentioned the inability to adapt it to a normal 8hr work day... I agree... unless you are in school, independently wealthy, or have the ablity to take a few short naps throughout the day (not just at lunch) this will not work for you... you will crash during work. Persoanlly, I scored higher on tests, had more energy, and understood something greater is presently at work.... something just behind obvious reality. If anyone has further queries, let me know. Back to my initial lack of LDing... if anyone has some pointers, I'd appreciate it. I stumbled on this site in error and seemed to have resonance - perhaps I had a few LD in my childhood. Anyway, I've been keeping a journal and questioning my wakeful state throughout the day, but everynight I either wake from a dream and am able to jot it into the journal, or I wake in the morning with various pieces of separate dreams. Either way, I am still only having basic dreams and so far have not become conscious. After months of journal writing and maintaining reality queues, I would very much like the experience. I read a few other tips - talking into a mirror and naming your subconscious. I will try these this week. -Flea

[Kula]

This topic's 5 month's old, but i thought i should reply rather than make a new thread.

The maximum amount of time a REM cycle lasts for is about 45 minutes...correct? So instead of 20 min naps every four hours, why not have 40 minute naps every 8 hours?

This would certainly be more convenient for me. The thought of dropping what i'm doing every 4 hours doesn't sound too appealling. Does anyone think that would work? What about these...

2 hours every day
1 hour every 12 hours
30 mins every 6 hours
25 mins every 5 hours

[i8aflea]

It doesn't sound too appealing because you're probably not in a schedule that supports poly. I understand your desire to make a schedule that is "easier" for you, but the idea itself has been practiced by many, and is not enforced for "ease of use" but rather health for the physical body. If you want something easy, simply follow normal public mass and sleep 8 hours straight. Your idea of sleeping a few 45 minutes puts you in danger of approaching stage 3 and 4 of sleep - deep sleep... you will feel like crap if/when you force youself awake during this. The idea is to get one chunk of 3-4 hours so your body gets two large doses of deep sleep, then a few more stages of REM, no more than 20 min, throughout the day. I'd tell you to experiment around with different schedules to prove to yourself what works best, but it takes a good month or so for your body to adjust, and it's probably not that healthy to change your internal clock so drastically, so frequently.

[irishcream]

This is a very interesting subject, but working split shifts and long days as i do, there is absolutely NO WAY i am going to be able to incorporate this into my life.
Also, I don't think i could ever get used to only three hours sleep in twenty four...
I checked the link for this, and the person that wrote it, said he felt healthier..i'm wondering if it's more down to the diet he adopted, with the fresh fruit and vegetables, and the fruit juice, rather than the actual sleep schedule that did it.
I'm not trying to be cynical here; i'm just posting my thoughts.
Also, it's a damned shame i can't do this, because i was thinking only today how i'd like to get more involved in the study of sleep and dream research, but i have no idea how to go about it.
any tips?
it's like, recalling and lucidity are fine (the latter of which i'm not so good at, but it doesn't bother me, in the fact that i'm more interested in the dreams themselves...lucidity is a nice bonus)
But now i want to learn more, do more.
But how?

[i8aflea]

I appreciate your desire to “learn more and do more” but the ambiguity of this statement is similar to the natural curiosity of the meaning of life… You are referencing something that even scientists can only theorize on. Perhaps there is nothing specifically more for you do… perhaps there’s room for infinite growth. Research can only take you as far as the preceding explorer, but like anything else you should read and learn as much as possible in order to form new educated ideas. Per your other question of a healthy diet… of course! Just as exercise, a less stressful lifestyle, and bodily detoxification can help you feel healthier. But simply feeling healthier and the absolute clarity of thought are different subject matters. Best of luck on your future travels.

[Neruo]

Wow, that would give you so much free time! Sounds extremely cool. However, I am not going to try it, becouse if you have to take naps every 5 hours, that would really be weird in your social and working/school life.

It allso might be dangerous... However if combined with WILD, couldn't you use All your sleep time to have LD's.... It would mean you would be (sort of) concious all the time!