View Full Version : My biggest fear has happened. Please help.
DreamQueen
02-12-2009, 09:59 AM
I'm screwed. I now have no RCs that work for me. Last night for the first time ever the nose pinch test completely and utterly failed me in a dream. I couldn't breathe at all. I would have and should have become lucid. I paid such careful attention to the check but my breathing was absolutely blocked off just like RL. My f****** brain has finally learned to simulate this too.
It's 6am and I feel completely ripped off and cheated. I did a WBTB at 4am, went into a dream, did my nose pinch and it failed. There's no point in me going back to bed again now because I have no way of establishing whether I'm dreaming. I'm so depressed right now. The NP check was not only the only RC left that worked for me it was also quick, subtle, and didn't require me to interrupt conversations with people or stop what I'm doing at work. Hence I've been able to do a huge number of them. As a result I've had enormous success with DILD. I have done approx 30 NP checks every day for two months. That's about 1,800 nose pinches. Now it's over. There's no point in me ever doing another one. I don't see how I'm going to achieve lucidity now. Stopping to really think about "whether I'm dreaming" isn't going to be anywhere near as easy, convenient and effective. It's going to be rude and disruptive and probably unreliable too.
I am really quite upset right now. I dedicate so much time and energy to my lucid dreaming. The very last post I made on here before I went to bed last night was saying how LD is the best hobby I've discovered in my life. I should be sitting here right now completely elated and writing in my lucid Dream Journal. I would have had a hugely long LD if the RC hadn't failed because the dream went on for ages afterwards and I should have been lucid.
This is frustrating beyond words :(
What RC can I use now?
The following RCs do not work as my brain has learned to simulate all of them perfectly:
nose pinch
hand through wall
scene change
jumping
looking at my hands
looking at my clothing
Experienced lucid dreamers, I really really need your help with this one. This is going to be a challenge. I've actually been testing out other potential RCs during my LDs in case the nose pinch ever started failing. I've found nothing reliable.
I might have to carry some text around with me and use that. It's going to be nowhere near as convenient but it's all I can think of.
Maybe I'll use my digital watch. The problem is, it's really intrusive to look at your watch when talking to someone. They notice it and think you're in a hurry to go somewhere.
So has anyone else faced this problem? Please can you share exactly what RCs you do during the day. I'm feeling quite down and out right now :(
topten35
02-12-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm screwed. I now have no RCs that work for me. Last night for the first time ever the nose pinch test completely and utterly failed me in a dream. I couldn't breathe at all. I would have and should have become lucid. I paid such careful attention to the check but my breathing was absolutely blocked off just like RL. My f****** brain has finally learned to simulate this too.
It's 6am and I feel completely ripped off and cheated. I did a WBTB at 4am, went into a dream, did my nose pinch and it failed. There's no point in me going back to bed again now because I have no way of establishing whether I'm dreaming. I'm so depressed right now. The NP check was not only the only RC left that worked for me it was also quick, subtle, and didn't require me to interrupt conversations with people or stop what I'm doing at work. Hence I've been able to do a huge number of them. As a result I've had enormous success with DILD. I have done approx 30 NP checks every day for two months. That's about 1,800 nose pinches. Now it's over. There's no point in me ever doing another one. I don't see how I'm going to achieve lucidity now. Stopping to really think about "whether I'm dreaming" isn't going to be anywhere near as easy and convenient. It's going to be rude and disruptive.
I am really quite upset right now. I dedicate so much time and energy to my lucid dreaming. The very last post I made on here before I went to bed last night was saying how LD is the best hobby I've discovered in my life. I should be sitting here right now completely elated and writing in my lucid Dream Journal. I would have had a hugely long LD if the RC hadn't failed because the dream went on for ages afterwards and I should have been lucid.
This is frustrating beyond words :(
What RC can I use now?
The following RCs do not work as my brain has learned to simulate all of them perfectly:
nose pinch
hand through wall
scene change
jumping
looking at my hands
looking at my clothing
Experienced lucid dreamers, I really really need your help with this one. This is going to be a challenge. I've actually been testing out other potential RCs during my LDs in case the nose pinch ever started failing. I've found nothing reliable.
I might have to carry some text around with me and use that. It's going to be nowhere near as convenient but it's all I can think of.
Maybe I'll use my digital watch. The problem is, it's really intrusive to look at your watch when talking to someone. They notice it and think you're in a hurry to go somewhere.
So has anyone else faced this problem? Please can you share exactly what RCs you do during the day. I'm feeling quite down and out right now :(
Here's some things that you can do. First you can try bitting your arm in your dreams. You really shouldn't feel pain in your dreams, then you can do a gravity rc. maybe try jumping off of something like a table or if you have good dream control try flying as a gravity rc. I'm going to do some more searches online for more reality checks to help you. Here are some more rcs that i found out about. Pick up a book, often the pages inside the book will be blank. Also try flipping a light switch, the light may not come on. You could find a mirror, and look at your reflection, you may look different.
DreamQueen
02-12-2009, 10:55 AM
Thanks so much for your quick response. It's much appreciated because I am feeling pretty discouraged here.
I think I'm going to have to use text. It's the only thing my brain can't currently simulate.
Looking in a mirror is no good - not only can my brain simulate this in dreams perfectly but it's not convenient to run off in search of a mirror 30x a day and there will be times when I simply cannot (eg imagine popping off to do this doing this during a job interview).
It's also not practical if I'm say in a shop or a movie theatre or at work to go playing with the light switches. The driving force behind my enormous success with DILD has been that I have been doing RCs heaps and heaps with no limitation on when and where I can do them. Besides, playing with lights wakes me up in dreams anyway.
Biting my arm - my brain will learn to simulate the feeling, trust me.
Jumping off a table won't work. It's completely impractical to do this in public 30x a day and my brain will easily learn to simulate it in a dream.
Finding a book might work, but again, it's not practical to go looking for a book 30x a day.
The brilliance of the nose pinch was I could do it anytime anywhere without anybody knowing.
I did say it is not going to be easy to fix this problem!
I'm thinking I will have to use my digital watch or my cell phone screen and explain to people why I'm looking at it so they don't think I'm in a hurry to get away.
hellohihello
02-12-2009, 11:25 AM
You can't really suffocate in a dream.... can you? *gulps*
If I think of any RC that you haven't named, I'll tell you. All mine I do is the ones you name.
DreamQueen
02-12-2009, 11:33 AM
You can't really suffocate in a dream.... can you? *gulps*
I totally couldn't breathe. I always do my NP check really carefully in RL and I did it carefully in the dream paying close attention. My airway was completely blocked. It felt identical to RL.
I'm really thinking I'm going to go with the digital watch check. I am feeling quite positive again and my spirits have lifted a bit.
I actually do more than 30 RCs each day, that was an average estimate. It's more like 40 or 50, which means I have pinched my nose and tried to breathe about 3,000 times in 2 months. That's how bloody dedicated I am! And it has been working a treat. I'm having so many DILDs! Last night would have been awesome. I was so conscious and in such a vivid dream. I was even thinking about this forum and telling you all about the amazing thing that happened. If only my check hadn't failed!
hellohihello
02-12-2009, 11:48 AM
I bet once you stop doing the other RC's all together, your brain will forget about it. The digital watch should be your best bet because no matter what you do, it will never look the same.
Edit: I wonder what would happen if you kept your nose pinched in your dream
DreamQueen
02-12-2009, 11:49 AM
Yeah good idea hellohihello... I'm declaring war on my brain.
I'm going to get a digital watch with all sorts of complicated features including having a space invader-type game built into it if I can find one and I'm going to wear it 24/7.
Let's see my smart-arse brain try and simulate that in a dream!!!!!!!!
Hey, I've got to go to work now, but will be back later. Any further support or suggestions appreciated!
DQ :)
Tarsier
02-12-2009, 11:50 AM
try thinking more positively about it. don't always think that the RCs will not work in dreams, because if you think like that they most likely won't. the hand RC always works for me in dreams. when i try to put my fingers through my hand they don't go all the way through but you can feel that it's kind of like play-do or something.
WolfeDreamer531
02-12-2009, 11:53 AM
Hmm... That is quite a serious problem there DQ. You already know that I don't rely on RCs to become lucid so I can't help you there, but I can try to get you to do it my way.:D
Now, remember that "feeling" of being in a dream, that is the only thing I really rely on to know that I'm dreaming. So the advice I can give to you is to "double check" your reality when you do your RCs. When you get to the point of doing an RC, try to ask yourself what you were doing a few moments ago and how you got to where you're at now. I've noticed that when I find myself in a place having no recollection of how I got there usually gives me the idea that I'm dreaming. Because when I try to trace back what I was doing to get to where I'm at now, I usually remember that the last thing I was doing was falling asleep! But I know that there's always a lot going on in dreams, but if you slow down enough to do a RC, then I think you might be able to slow down enough to ask yourself what exactly is going on.
I guess this isn't very helpful because I dont have much experience with RCs at all.:P
On another note, you can try getting back into WILDs. I mean remaining conscious all the way until you're dreaming so that there wont be any doubt whatsoever as to whether or not you're dreaming. That one always works for me!:)
hellohihello
02-12-2009, 12:01 PM
I remember one! It's about memory.
Can you remember what you were doing earlier? Stop and think about it. Ask yourself is all this real.
It's a little more work but it is one way.
Walms
02-12-2009, 12:40 PM
Yeah, both clock and text can fail, as they are stable on my dreams... Then again, I suppose part of your problem comes from thinking your brain will eventually find its way to mimic the new RC, if not, it would have been like that in every single dream (logic dreams, I mean) <.<
So just be positive and the brain will stop with the mimic game,
I agree with Hellohihello, the memory check should work, unless its a FA. Or if not, you can always try my gravity RC lol
Mercen_505
02-12-2009, 01:01 PM
I guess I would try to ask myself "How did I get here?" and follow that up with "What did I do this morning when I got up?" I've never tried that in a dream, but I imagine I would have some trouble with it!
Specifically for me, I feel terrible most of the time, as I'm in poor health these days, but in my dreams I always feel 100% awesome. That's an easy RC for me.
One LD doesn't make me an expert, so take that as you will.
PaleRider
02-12-2009, 01:57 PM
Hi DreamQueen, sorry to hear you've hit a stumbling block. I agree with the previous posts, suggesting going over previous events and looking for continuity. You might also try exerting dream control activities as a RC, like flying. In this way, even if it "fails" as a RC, you will still enjoy the benefit of getting your goal in the dream anyway. This has actually happened to me, where I willfully flew, for example, and it seemed "normal" in a dream, but at least I got to enjoy it nonetheless. Anything you can't do in waking life should serve as a good RC, just don't choose something dangerous if it fails, like jumping off a cliff!
xypowerpop
02-12-2009, 02:03 PM
Finding a book might work, but again, it's not practical to go looking for a book 30x a day.
carry one.. with you? :shock:
lol
DreamQueen
02-12-2009, 02:06 PM
Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I'm at work at the mo so this has to be quick or I'll get in trouble!
You've all given me food for thought. I'm just going to have to get a more stringent RC routine going. I guess I was just so bummed because I really had gotten the whole LD thing sussed and was on the very brink of being able to have them pretty much at will. I had become so adept at my RCs and was in a comfortable little zone and now I have to change them.
Just to reply to Walms... I honestly didn't ever think my brain would be able to replicate the blocked feeling. I don't really think my brain is "out to get me", I was just kidding coz it sort of feels like I'm at war with my brain which is trying to trip me up all the time lol! Anyway, I'm sure I'll get it sorted. The good news is that I'm doing RCs in my dream nearly every night now and that's the difficult part so I guess I can be happy that I'm achieving that much. With a perfectly reliable RC I should start being able to get lucid every night with a bit of luck!
Gotta get back to work now... back later!
PaleRider
02-12-2009, 02:08 PM
Reading your post again more closely, it looks like you're saying your logical mind has adapted to expecting RCs to fail, just as they do in waking life. So, you believe that you won't be able to breathe if you pinch your nose, or you believe that if you try to put your hand through a wall you won't be able to, and so on, and your mind confirms this while dreaming. Perhaps looking at it from a different angle might help: Expect to be able to do these fantastic things both in waking life and while dreaming. During the day, expect to be able to stretch your fingers. Then, you'll be disappointed when it fails in waking life, but keep expecting it to work. Then you will be (pleasantly) surprised when dreaming. This will require a conscious shift on your part to really believe in these things happening, but it sounds like you have the capability to do it! Keep believing in your ability to do fantastic things, and have a positive expectation for them to work.
Odd_Nonposter
02-12-2009, 02:11 PM
I've never been lucid, but I've read about a few other RCs that are really subtle that WILDers use. Sticking your tongue through the roof of your mouth, the front teeth, or biting the inside of your cheek are all ones I've seen.
slash112
02-12-2009, 03:24 PM
hmmm, well i dont know about other people, but i do infact feel pain in my dreams, so from my experience, i know i can throw the whole pain RC out the window.
i never thought the nose pinch RC would ever fail for anyone, because i have always been able to breath when air was somehow taken away, e.g. breathing underwater, nose pinch RC, and other stuff aswell probably.
but that memory one, that does actually sound quite good, infact, i think im going to try that one. but im just assuming that everyone forgets stuff in dreams, because i dont actually know anything about that.
if i can think of anything, ill post it right away.
MrFantasy
02-12-2009, 04:15 PM
I feel your pain man. Learning to lucid dream can be extremely frustrating, but if you persevere, you will be rewarded beyond all expectations. I have definitely experienced what you're describing, where you perform a reality check in a dream and completely fail to realize it's a dream. One suggestion that I will make that can probably help you is to change the way you perform your reality checks. Make sure you do at least 21 reality checks a day, and don't rush through them. More than any of the techniques (looking at your hand, turning on and off a light, etc.) you have to pay attention to your state of consciousness, and really ask yourself, like REALLY just stop and consider, is this a dream? If you continuously acknowledge the possibility that you might be dreaming throughout the day you will inevitably do so in a dream, and usually just posing this question and honestly trying to figure it out is enough to immediately become lucid even without any of the techniques. It's much easier than you think. Don't view it as a chore, each time you do a reality check be grateful that you've been blessed with this opportunity to wonder and determine whether or not you're dreaming. Instead of WANTING to become lucid, just be honestly WILLING to become lucid. Your subconscious mind then becomes your friend and will gladly share with you the wonders of the conscious dreamscape.
why not try hmmm,NP then try to dunno shoot lasers out of ur eyes or something,i mean,try to make it a reflect that when u do a NP u try to do something u can only do in a dream,hows that sound? :smartie::horse:
Specialis Sapientia
02-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Maybe "Feel your body" can be a RC?
When I am lucid and try to sense or feel my real body I do so, I can feel my waking body's numbness or paralysis.
Just stop up try to feel your body, either it will feel like now, or you feel some kind of numbness and then you know it's a dream :)
To see if it's work, next time you are lucid, stop what you are during and feel/sense your body. If the difference from waking to dreaming is great enough, it could be used as a RC.
SleepyCookieDough
02-12-2009, 04:46 PM
I've read thwe beggening but haven't read through all so I'm sorry if anyone have already said this or if the problem has been resolved but this is what I suggest:
First, maybe when you do the NP RC, maybe you should EXPECT it to be a dream and that you EXPECT that you will be able to breathe. You might already be doing this but this is a good RC I've discovered that you can do
30x a day:
I've discovered that I could take off my body parts in dreams so you can try taking your finger off. I admit, it is not pleasent because sometimes it feels like its actually gonna fall off in real life, which I think your brain couldn't get use too. If in the dream you do it and you have the sensation you have pulled it too hard and its gonna fall, chances are its gonna fall
Anyways, I was just suggesting. I hope it helped.
Mini Man56
02-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Next time you go lucid, hire your trusty secret service agent Steve, and tell him to make sure you are informed whenever you are dreaming. Then, next time something weird/amazing happens, be like "I bet Agent Steve's coming right now." You can even say it out loud around your friends, which both creates a little inside joke when weird stuff happens, and reinforces his chances of coming in a dream.
But you have to beleive it's going to happen. When he actually does inform you, you want to be like, "Yup. I knew it." instead of "I am?! Sweet!" Beleiving that he'll come will make him appear more often.
It's pretty convenient, considering all you have to do is turn around, or look around a corner. I don't think your brain will be able to "stimulate" it, either.
MasterZodiac
02-12-2009, 06:07 PM
ok this is simple just do a finger through the hand RC. but if that does not work then i am sorry for your loss.
16Candles
02-12-2009, 06:17 PM
here's something i learned recently. when doing the nose pinch rc, first take a deep breathe in and then a deep breathe out. feel the sensation of breathing. expect to feel the same sensation when you pinch your nose. if it's a dream, you should breathe no problem. i've had 3 lucid dreams since joining this site, and two of them involved that method!
Clairity
02-12-2009, 07:17 PM
You could always try pushing your tongue through the roof of your mouth or through your closed teeth. :P
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allensig3654
02-12-2009, 10:07 PM
You could always try pushing your tongue through the roof of your mouth or through your closed teeth. :P
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haha i never would have thought of that. I like that better than breathing through a pinched nose because you don't even have to move.
mattmuffler
02-13-2009, 01:26 AM
yea i read something, its kinda like the nose pinch rc, but you just try breathing thru a closed mouth. easy. at least until you find another one. but im pretty sure that your brain will start to forget about them the less you use them. so mayb try mixing them up during th day. i mean i'm not an experienced ld'er at all. sheesh i've had 1 and have been tring for months. that one lasted for like 2 seconds.
any way another good one i read about that you can do at work is pick something in the room and make sure its there the next time you look. if your in your house, look for little things. make sure the mark on the walls still there. the stain on the couch. the mole on the boss's face. unintrusive and easy to do. pretty much exactly wat you need. i'd love to see your brain simulate your whole life exactly haha but yea. try that.
i'm pretty sure expectation has a lot to do with it. like now that you expect the nose rc to fail, it prob will. so mayb try one of the other rcs on here and start afresh. act like its the first time and you fully expect it to work. gud luck!! ;) i understand your frustration. like i said, 1 ld, 2 seconds. 4 months...
spaceexplorer
02-13-2009, 02:04 AM
here's something i learned recently. when doing the nose pinch rc, first take a deep breathe in and then a deep breathe out. feel the sensation of breathing. expect to feel the same sensation when you pinch your nose. if it's a dream, you should breathe no problem. i've had 3 lucid dreams since joining this site, and two of them involved that method!
This is very good advice, and well thought through.
It also eliminates the possibility that your sleeping body may be having trouble breathing (we've all slept with people who snore, we know that the sleeping body dosn't always breathe quite as smoothly as whilst awake)
There is the possibility that your failed NP reality check was in fact caused because your sleeping body was having a temporary issue breathing clearly. In the same way that an alarm clock can enter the dream scene... there is no reason this wouldnt have entered your dream scene as a NP reality check. Especially considering how much part of your life it is now.
DreamQueen
02-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Hey thanks everyone. Sorry I've taken so long to reply, I got held up at work for 13 hours.
There are some really helpful suggestions in there. I do think I've been rushing my nose pinch checks. I've realised that however much time and attention I give my RCs in RL is the same amount I'll give them in a dream. So I'm going to be more careful with them and take my time from now on. I'm also going to expect to be able to breathe rather than the other way round as a couple of people have suggested.
Thanks guys. Will check back for more suggestions in the morning!
evildoctor
02-13-2009, 07:14 AM
May I suggest trying to levitate.
This is an RC you can do at work, in front of people, etc. Just mentally will yourself to float up into the air - if you do then you are dreaming - if you stay stubbornly in the grip of gravity then you are awake.
RCs dont work for me too well either - I just tend to realize I am dreaming when seriously weird stuff is occuring.
you have done the NP RC so many times you know already that you wont be able to breath,that has mabey become part of your RC,trying knowing what gonna happen...:banana:
Resus4ur
02-13-2009, 02:01 PM
One reality check you should try is just looking around you, and asking yourself if this place is familiar to you. If you are somewhere unfamiliar, then you are probably dreaming.
Shift
02-13-2009, 02:12 PM
You're thinking about this the wrong way, like you've been jipped. You shouldn't "be" doing anything. Lucid dreaming owes nothing to you. There's no rule "I put in X hours and get Y results." Don't demand or force or feel denied when it doesn't happen. Just say, "Well, that was a close one! Such progress. I'll catch it soon, maybe even next time!"
I strongly suspect that if you're putting in this much effort you're just missing some key element. How much of the mental awareness are you putting into your RCs?
DreamQueen
02-13-2009, 02:19 PM
How much of the mental awareness are you putting into your RCs?
Nowhere near enough it seems. I've realised I've been completely relying on the physiology of the nose test and letting it do all the work for me. My lazy RCs have been successful so far but my luck has finally run out. From now on I'm going to pay a lot more mental attention and do some serious questioning every time I RC.
I should have taken your signature advice long ago, shift. Time to start now!
Everyone in this thread has been so very helpful.
Thanx so much :)
Darklight45
02-13-2009, 04:25 PM
look at something, look away from it then look back again it should be diffrent...hoped this helped!:)
DREAMER242000
02-14-2009, 01:35 AM
The most effective reality test i have ever found is to carry around one of
thoses key ring torches and switch it on and off at least three times.
In my experience its never worked correctly three times in a row it either will
at best work on the first press and on the second and third press either does
not work or does something strange like spark.
:)
Paradox-db3
02-14-2009, 04:03 AM
Hi DreamQueen! Man, I'm still not lucid, but I've had some very close calls! Again! Anyway, sounds like you've got some very good advice already. If you don't mind me adding...one of my favorite RCs is thinking back an hour ago...two hours ago...four hours ago. Can you remember what you were doing? This one gets me to think, really think. Plus it doesn't take too much effort. Well, sometimes it does! But like I said, it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice already.
Conkt
02-14-2009, 04:16 AM
My current favorite reality check is to try distorting reality. Simply look at something (A wall, a book, a cup of coffee) and stare aggressively at it, trying to make it look different. Focus really hard on it. If you do it properly, you should look like you're constipated. If you're dreaming, you'll start to see the angles of what you were looking at change, the colours, and maybe hear strange sounds. If you're awake, on the other hand, you'll just look funny yourself.
I do this check a lot because it is quick, efficient, and almost always works in dreams.
Kastro187420
02-14-2009, 04:51 AM
Do the Memory Check. If you suspect your dreaming, and want to do a reality check, simply try to remember how you got somewhere. Try to remember what you were doing just before you wanted to do a reality check. Try to remember what happened before that, and before that, and so on. It shouldn't take long, but you should be able to accurately come up with the conclusion that your dreaming, simply by figuring out that you just "appeared" into the dream when you come to a gap in your memory.
DarkLucideity
02-15-2009, 10:59 PM
I mean no offense but really? Come on. I rarely even post, but here goes (also, I consider myself experienced in DILD, I take an unconventional method which allows me to realize I'm dreaming several times a night (if you think im lying/exaggerating it doesn't affect my advice)):
1. If I were you I'd be pleased that my dreams are so realistic.
2. By mindlessly repeating reality checks in real life all you do is tell yourself they say you're awake, and your dreams reflect this.
3. As some other posters described there is such a thing as a mental reality check. Question not only how you got into your current situation, but how logical, coherent, and realistic your situation is. Not only that, did you go to sleep? I use physical RCs (my favorite being the nose RC) as a secondary reality check after the mental one fails, to confirm it. I therefore expect the RC to fail, and it does (I breathe freely.) To tell you the truth, it's not that complex. When I ask myself if I'm dreaming, I KNOW
(Edit)
4. You shouldn't have your RC depend on the dream. Dreams can be very unpredictable.
5. It's not the end of the world but it's kind of sad that you think it is.
(Last edit, I promise)
6. If you depend on physical RCs, they can get very overelaborate and require you to completely step out of your way to check.
Hopefully I helped (And didn't offend too much: Honestly, I don't mean it! It just comes out that way :) ),
-Pojmaster
P.S. I had such a nightmare writing this on my phone.
DreamQueen
02-16-2009, 01:02 AM
Thanks for all your responses, but i think i've got the answers i need now.
Old goat
02-17-2009, 01:44 AM
Hey DQ -
Interesting thread. Looks like you're ditching the behavioural RCs in favour of increasing mental awareness... I like that.
Personally, I don't buy into pinching, slapping, pushing, jumping, etc... to me it seems a bit silly. Much cooler is to develop your general alertness and let that spill over into your dreams. Constantly think about what you have just done and what you are going to do, the feel of your breath, thinking about your posture, the tone of your voice, actively engaging with others, etc. Such things also develop your presence and alertness in the real world. You can use some extra imaginary RCs for fun once in a while... try bending or shifting an object by looking at it, for example - distort it into new shapes, or make a dragon pop out of it. When done during the day, you're just exercising your mental imagery and pushing your creativity. It's fun.
...But the point is that all this mental work does you good - by increasing your self awareness, increasing the awareness of everything around you, breaking the autopilot of the day, and increasing your chances of being self-aware and creative even during dreams.
:0)
DreamQueen
02-20-2009, 02:20 PM
Hey DQ -
Interesting thread. Looks like you're ditching the behavioural RCs in favour of increasing mental awareness... I like that.
...But the point is that all this mental work does you good - by increasing your self awareness, increasing the awareness of everything around you, breaking the autopilot of the day, and increasing your chances of being self-aware and creative even during dreams.
:0)
Thanks Old Goat (ha ha, cool name). I agree entirely. This has been a huge lesson on my personal lucid dreaming learning curve and finally today I had the break through I've been working so hard for over the past week.
My new RC involves a lot more mental questioning and looking at my digital watch and text etc. It has been hard to break the very ingrained habit of the nose pinch test but I have done it.
A huge thank you to all the people who gave supportive answers. A few of you whom I have conversed with are aware of the very personal reason my lucid dreaming is so important to me, others are not, but the good news is that I now feel able to achieve lucidity again.
Thank you so much :)
-InsaneKid-
02-20-2009, 02:40 PM
Oh my gosh, too much drama! Seriously girl, you talk as if it is the end of the world, and your life is meaningless. :P
I haven't read the other posts, so I don't know what has been suggested, but here are some of my ideas:
1. Tone the drama down, your brain many times gives you dreams to help you overcome problems in your life, or things in your past that are hard for you to deal with. Since you stress over the fact that your brain will simulate RC's perfectly, it is very possible that that is the very cause of it happening. (This is just a possibility)
2. Why use reality checks? They aren't really necessary, though they are very helpfull. In fact, I have only had three of my lucid dreams require a reality check, while the other times I was simply confident that I was dreaming, of which my flying confirmed. ;) To help improve this, you can try becoming more aware of the world around you. Pay attention to every little detail through all 5 senses, this will not only help you realise the dream-state better, but increase the clarity of your dreams.
3. As for running out of reality checks, there is an unlimited ammount that you can do. For example, try turning everyone in the room purple, levitate a piece of furniture, try falling through the floor, and on and on.
4. Another way that I have heard people talk about is simply think back on what you did that day. In dreams, you won't be able to remember very far back, or you will remember things you did in real-life and notice they don't fit your current situation.
Anyway, good luck with your future Lucid Dreams!
DreamQueen
02-20-2009, 03:17 PM
Seriously girl, you talk as if it is the end of the world
Yes. I do don't I? Now I wonder why that could be...
Oneironaut
02-20-2009, 03:40 PM
*closed at OP's request*
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