God told me to be an Atheist.

[spaceexplorer]

God came to me in a Dream.
He told me, to not believe in him, but to ask difficult questions about his existence and question paranormal subjects (and science).

He told me the only way to discover the truth was to push the limits of your beliefs, to think about things that make you feel uncomfortable or even frightened.

He told me that just because i want something to be true, is not enough to make it true.

He demanded I ask questions even when I think I have answers, because humans are falible, and because the universe is in constant flux, so that one answer my not remain true for ever.

So
God told me to be an Atheist...

It is my belief that God requires me to ask difficult questions about both him and the paranormal.

So please those who think i am being akward.. it's just my belief system.
Don't hate me for doing the will of God.... even though I'm not convinced he exists, because after appearing to me, he removed all evidence of his existence.

I can only believe what he told me to be true. And i ask others to respect my beliefs.... especially here in Beyond dreaming, where respecting beliefs is the rule.

And before you delete or lock this thread ClouD.
I am being UTTERLY serious.
THis is my personal belief in the universe.
And I require a place to discuss it with fellow believers.

[Sandform]

Do you walk into churches and just start blathering on about how the people in the Church are wrong? Do you think that is the appropriate method to communicate your ideas? If you must do this, go through the proper channels when communicating with people or they wont listen to you anyway.

From the other threads I've seen it seems you don't know what the proper channels are. In BD it is a thread made with the intent to talk about the validity of the claim. For God, however, it really belongs in R/S.

[spaceexplorer]

Do you walk into churches and just start blathering on about how the people in the Church are wrong? Do you think that is the appropriate method to communicate your ideas? Go through the proper channels when communicating with people or they wont listen to you anyway.

No,
Half the time the Christians come to me... in the high street preaching.
To my doorstep.
To my school as a child.

I'm lucky God saved me from himself.

[DreamQueen]

Yeah well, if God does exist then I hope He has a good excuse.

[spaceexplorer]

Yeah well, if God does exist then I hope He has a good excuse.

You don't get it DreamQueen.

Basically God created the universe, himself and us... as a giant game of Hide and Seek.

He's doing the hiding.
We've got to find him.

He's bloody good at hiding.

Thats why he appeared to me in my dream... to spread his word of non-existence.

[DreamQueen]

Yeah it's funny how the invisible and the non-existent look so much alike :P

[spaceexplorer]

Yeah it's funny how the invisible and the non-existent look so much alike :P


Are you mocking my belief DreamQueen?
I'm quite offended.

Although... at the same time, you are kind of doing Gods will as he layed it out to me.

God, im in a moral quandry now.
Should I be offended or pat you on the back as a fellow believer?

[DreamQueen]

^ :offtopic:

[spaceexplorer]

^ :offtopic:


Oddly enough, that's the name of my Holy Book.

[DreamQueen]

God created the universe, himself and us... as a giant game of Hide and Seek.

He's doing the hiding.
We've got to find him.

He's bloody good at hiding.

You can say that again. Trying to find God is like looking in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn’t there.

[Sandform]

No,
Half the time the Christians come to me... in the high street preaching.
To my doorstep.
To my school as a child.

I'm lucky God saved me from himself.

Well that is cool, you have every right to speak to them if they come to you, Space, but just remember to have proper netiquette. In the normal world proper etiquette would be not to enter a church(or organization like it) or any other building even though you have the physical capability to do so. In this forum threads in BD can be thought of as a church or other buildings like it. If it is obvious you weren't the type of person invited try not to cause too much trouble. Just like a church you can come and ask questions, but don't berate or insult people. If they tell you, or it is obvious, that they don't want to argue about it then respect their desires since they are in a place that is supposed to be a safe area for them to speak with like minded individuals, and not be attacked.

For example "does this exist?" would be open grounds.
"Tell me about this" would not be.

It is my understanding that you can make a thread in BD about these things. If you find something in a thread disagreeable then, unless it is clear the person wants to debate, you should make a thread counter to it rather than trying to obstruct the other person's thread.

Try to remember the OP has a goal in mind when he or she creates a thread. If the goal isn't to hear opposition to the claim, then don't make a post in opposition to it. BD isn't made to cater to the people who want to be argumentative, it is made for those who want to express their opinions without hearing something like "gravity biotches." Or some other statement pointless to that particular person's desire. If a post you want to make is in opposition to the OP's goal just make your own thread.

[Timothy Paradox]

I think this thread was created by space in an attempt to get banned, after the 'third eye' thread farce.

[Sandform]

I think this thread was created by space in an attempt to get banned, after the 'third eye' thread farce.

I saw that thread as well. I don't know what Space's intent at the moment is.

Something I thought was interesting in that thread though was the exchange between you and Bigfan.

I'm not sure, but I think when he said "Well put, fully agree with this. Also, as he mentioned, the chakras are there regardless of your beliefs" He(or she?) meant your beliefs in God and such.

I'm sure that if they believe chakra exists in a magical capacity then they would have to extend what you thought they were saying as truth anyway, but I'm not sure that is what they meant when they said it. I would need sapient or Big to clarify, but I think all they meant was that your beliefs in other things(like God) don't affect chakra.

[magical mike]

HOLY SHIT I watched a show on this last night, about a presist who said "God likes to be questioned" Question :D Like when noah was like "Dude I cant build an ark" etc..

[DreamQueen]

I saw that thread as well. I don't know what Space's intent at the moment is.

Possibly the same as mine which is to do my bit towards the process of ridding the world of the poison that is religion.

[TweaK]

In b4 lock.

OH HI GUISE

[Life]

Space and DreamQueen are only trying to make you realise something...
You don't need to automatically be on the defensive when someone says "God might not exist"

[TweaK]

What? You don't? No way!

[DarkLucideity]

God told you not to believe in him?

That's like me saying that I don't exist.

It's a contradiction in itself.

By the way, I never posted this.

[Xyster]

Lol, If God told you that he didn't exist, then it's contradictory, because then it means only 2 things: A. He does exist, and He Lied, Or B. a DC who said he was God, told you he doesn't exist. As for the questioning everything, I absolutely agree, I question everything in my life, yet I still believe in God.

[suttsman]

Lol, If God told you that he didn't exist, then it's contradictory, because then it means only 2 things: A. He does exist, and He Lied, Or B. a DC who said he was God, told you he doesn't exist. As for the questioning everything, I absolutely agree, I question everything in my life, yet I still believe in God.
http://sableverity.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/captain-obvious-5-finished.jpg

[TweaK]

I'm with Cpt. Obvious.*

* But mostly, I'm very bored.

[nitsuJ]

Question!


Why do the majority of all atheists only try to refute the Christian God? That's really the only God I ever seen them attack and try to disprove. Why don't they go after other deity's?

I just think it's sort of silly for those silly atheists believing all Gods are exactly the same.

They all think every God hides, what do you tell the people that believe God is everything (i.e. pretty much everything visible)?

[Sandform]

Space and DreamQueen are only trying to make you realise something...
You don't need to automatically be on the defensive when someone says "God might not exist"

If you are talking to me, you don't know who I am. I have spent many threads trying to convince people that religion is pointless and incorrect. The difference is that I try to respect people's wishes. If they make a thread in an area where ridicule and an exchange of opposite opinions are warranted, then I will happily join in, if I feel like it. However, if they go to a place where they want to feel safe to express their ideas I think it is completely rude to jump in and start accusing them and berating them.

For example, if a sign at a church says "Jesus will rise again," it would be completely inappropriate to march into their church and start yelling at them that Jesus will not in fact rise again. There is a time and place for everything and BD is not a place to argue with other people about the validity of the claim unless it is clear they wish to argue about it. In churches if they invite you to come debate with them about God, then it is fine to come in and say things like "God doesn't exist." Just as in church, in BD if you aren't invited to debate the validity of whatever claim they are making then don't come in and start berating and insulting people.

BD is a space for people to come to if they don't want to argue. They aren't shoving their ideas down your throat, yet you come into their thread and shove yours down theirs.

Question!


Why do the majority of all atheists only try to refute the Christian God? That's really the only God I ever seen them attack and try to disprove. Why don't they go after other deity's?

I just think it's sort of silly for those silly atheists believing all Gods are exactly the same.

They all think every God hides, what do you tell the people that believe God is everything (i.e. pretty much everything visible)?

When it comes to "why do you only refute the Christian God."

That is a lie, people refute whatever God they feel like refuting. Did you know that it is unnecessary to refute a God that no one cares about? I don't have to convince you that the bogeyman isn't real, nor most of society, but you usually have to convince children that he isn't. If you'll go on youtube various people like that amazing atheist and potheadpundet have discussed much more than just the christian religion.

When Christians make this claim the bogeyman example really is pretty explanatory. The Christian is the kid in the scenario. "Why do adults and other kids always tell me the bogeyman doesn't exist instead of talking about Santa Claus, which I've already stopped believing in or have never believed in in the first place?"

"God is everything" means nothing in terms of theism and atheism. If you call a toaster God that means nothing. To them I would say what a pointless creation of an additional meaningless word. If God is everything then valentines cards are God and so are lumps of coal. God is everything is only valuable as a metaphor, and metaphors mean nothing to theism or atheism.

[nitsuJ]

If you are talking to me, you don't know who I am. I have spent many threads trying to convince people that religion is pointless and incorrect. The difference is that I try to respect people's wishes. If they make a thread in an area where ridicule and an exchange of opposite opinions are warranted, then I will happily join in, if I feel like it. However, if they go to a place where they want to feel safe to express their ideas I think it is completely rude to jump in and start accusing them and berating them.

For example, if a sign at a church says "Jesus will rise again," it would be completely inappropriate to march into their church and start yelling at them that Jesus will not in fact rise again. There is a time and place for everything and BD is not a place to argue with other people about the validity of the claim unless it is clear they wish to argue about it. In churches if they invite you to come debate with them about God, then it is fine to come in and say things like "God doesn't exist." Just as in church, in BD if you aren't invited to debate the validity of whatever claim they are making then don't come in and start berating and insulting people.

BD is a space for people to come to if they don't want to argue. They aren't shoving their ideas down your throat, yet you come into their thread and shove yours down theirs.



When it comes to "why do you only refute the Christian God."

That is a lie, people refute whatever God they feel like refuting. Did you know that it is unnecessary to refute a God that no one cares about? I don't have to convince you that the bogeyman isn't real, nor most of society, but you usually have to convince children that he isn't. If you'll go on youtube various people like that amazing atheist and potheadpundet have discussed much more than just the christian religion.

When Christians make this claim the bogeyman example really is pretty explanatory. The Christian is the kid in the scenario. "Why do adults and other kids always tell me the bogeyman doesn't exist instead of talking about Santa Claus, which I've already stopped believing in or have never believed in in the first place?"

"God is everything" means nothing in terms of theism and atheism. If you call a toaster God that means nothing. To them I would say what a pointless creation of an additional meaningless word. If God is everything then valentines cards are God and so are lumps of coal. God is everything is only valuable as a metaphor, and metaphors mean nothing to theism or atheism.

Well, I'm not Christian. :]

But, most Atheists here only attack the Christian God, which irks me. There's more than one God out there to disprove, Christian God gets old.

There is a religion were people believe God is everything. :|

[Sandform]

Well, I'm not Christian. :]

But, most Atheists here only attack the Christian God, which irks me. There's more than one God out there to disprove, Christian God gets old.

There is a religion were people believe God is everything. :|

As I said, it is pointless to talk about Gods that no one else is talking about. The moment someone says "my god is vishnu" or some other nonsense, I'm sure people will talk about that God. There is no need to shout to the wind. Why tell people who don't believe in something that that something is false? Lets say there is the bogeyman and Santa Claus as two ideologies. 80% believes in the bogeyman while 16 % don't care and maybe 4 % of the population believes in Santa Claus. Obviously the bogeyman would be talked about more, and since it is talked about more there would be more opportunity for people to argue against it. Do you know about Chayba? He talks the same nonsense you are saying, he says things like God is everything etc. People often call him out on his bull.

As I said earlier, aside from a metaphor, calling everything God is meaningless.

God being everything is ridiculous.

You are all wrong. I define popeye as Spinoza's popeye, ie. the whole of reality. Hence he clearly exists, and any people who say otherwise are in denial.

[nitsuJ]

As I said, it is pointless to talk about Gods that no one else is talking about. The moment someone says "my god is vishnu" or some other nonsense, I'm sure people will talk about that God. There is no need to shout to the wind. Why tell people who don't believe in something that that something is false? Lets say there is the bogeyman and Santa Claus as two ideologies. 80% believes in the bogeyman while 16 % don't care and maybe 4 % of the population believes in Santa Claus. Obviously the bogeyman would be talked about more, and since it is talked about more there would be more opportunity for people to argue against it. Do you know about Chayba? He talks the same nonsense you are saying, he says things like God is everything etc. People often call him out on his bull.

As I said earlier, aside from a metaphor, calling everything God is meaningless.

God being everything is ridiculous.

Then what's the point in making a thread bashing the Christian God when the original poster's thread may only be looked at by Hindus? For all the people know on this website, everyone here is a Hindu. There's no need to be bashing the Christian sky-pops then. :]

I just find it weird to always bash the Christian God, it's like that's the only God they think exists, or the only God they think they can refute.

Some people actually believe God is everything. It's not a one-person belief.

[Sandform]

Then what's the point in making a thread bashing the Christian God when the original poster's thread may only be looked at by Hindus? For all the people know on this website, everyone here is a Hindu. There's no need to be bashing the Christian sky-pops then. :]

I just find it weird to always bash the Christian God, it's like that's the only God they think exists, or the only God they think they can refute.

Some people actually believe God is everything. It's not a one-person belief.

There have been various user made polls on this forum that would differ with this "everyone here is a Hindu" nonsense. Not that it matters. Most people here are surrounded by christianity, muslims, mormons, jews, and all the other pointless religious faiths originated by the Jews all the time. God forbid they go to a forum and let off a little steam about the religion most prevalent in their section of the world.

I already said that God is everything is a pointless and moronic ideology when used as anything other than a metaphor. It doesn't matter how many people claim this. Saying God is everything is as meaningless as saying God is a tree stump and only a tree stump, nothing more. "God is everything" means nothing. It is a pointless statement. The sentence "God is everything" has no value. "Eeep is everything." Does that mean anything to you? How about explaining the point of calling everything God, and why everything should be called God, as well as why calling everything God is necessary and why calling everything God is any more significant than calling everything everything.

[nitsuJ]

There have been various user made polls on this forum that would differ with this "everyone here is a Hindu" nonsense. Not that it matters. Most people here are surrounded by christianity, muslims, mormons, jews, and all the other pointless religious faiths originated by the Jews all the time. God forbid they go to a forum and let off a little steam about the religion most prevalent in their section of the world.

I already said that God is everything is a pointless and moronic ideology when used as anything other than a metaphor. It doesn't matter how many people claim this. Saying God is everything is as meaningless as saying God is a tree stump and only a tree stump, nothing more. "God is everything" means nothing. It is a pointless statement. The sentence "God is everything" has no value. "Eeep is everything." Does that mean anything to you? How about explaining the point of calling everything God, and why everything should be called God, as well as why calling everything God is necessary and why calling everything God is any more significant than calling everything everything.

Is it as pointless and moronic as a person saying one person made everything in the world? You should think so by that logic. :]

No, it means nothing to me. I don't believe God is anything.

[love2dream]

Well that is cool, you have every right to speak to them if they come to you, Space, but just remember to have proper netiquette. In the normal world proper etiquette would be not to enter a church(or organization like it) or any other building ...

ETIQUETTE

et⋅i⋅quette   /ˈɛtɪkɪt, -ˌkɛt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [et-i-kit, -ket] Show IPA
–noun 1. conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.
2. a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.
3. the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other: medical etiquette.

YOU ARE SO 2000andLATE

SINCE YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TELLIN SOMEONE WHAT TO DO...TRY SOMETHIN NEW

[ClouD]

ETIQUETTE

et⋅i⋅quette   /ˈɛtɪkɪt, -ˌkɛt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [et-i-kit, -ket] Show IPA
–noun 1. conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.
2. a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.
3. the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other: medical etiquette.

YOU ARE SO 2000andLATE

SINCE YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TELLIN SOMEONE WHAT TO DO...TRY SOMETHIN NEW

Haha what

[Sandform]

? Lol I've got something new for you to do love2. Make sense.

Is it as pointless and moronic as a person saying one person made everything in the world? You should think so by that logic. :]

No, it means nothing to me. I don't believe God is anything.

I would say it is more pointless than option magic man, but less moronic. While option magic man is more moronic but less pointless.

But I assume you mean I should argue against it as much as, or more than, I should argue against magic man. You're wrong if that is what you mean. The more prevalent belief is going to be argued against more than the less prevalent one. That doesn't mean that we don't argue against the less prevalent one, it just means that we argue against it fewer times because there is no reason to argue that Santa Claus isn't real when most people believe in the bogeyman rather than Santa.

[love2dream]

[QUOTE=Sandform;1064346]? Lol I've got something new for you to do love2. Make sense. [QUOTE]

LOL! I DO. For you my friend, keep trying!

[nitsuJ]

[QUOTE=Sandform;1064346]? Lol I've got something new for you to do love2. Make sense. [QUOTE]

LOL! I DO. For you my friend, keep trying!

I sense RAGE!

[spaceexplorer]

Some people actually believe God is everything. It's not a one-person belief.

It's called Pantheism (there is also panantheism which is slightly different), and for a long time that is the label I applied to myself.
It's a good term. However, It does beg one question...
We already have a perfectly good terms for "the universe" and "everything", so why bring the word God into it?
and by applying the label "God" to it, you actually start to confuse people, because the vast majority assume the definition of God to be similar to that of the Abrahamic religions.

The Abrahamic religions are normally easier to be directly critical of because they make very specific, and clearly wrong statements about reality. Of course, if say, the bible, is supposed to be Gods word, and something in it is wrong... Such as it saying the world is flat (which it does in places).. well a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. It invites intelligent criticism because mostly because it is so insideous and invasive in the world.

As for the more passive, philisophical religions, I have no issue with them at all as an Atheist. As long as they don't start making silly anti-scientific claims about the universe.. or moraly questionable dogmatic social requests. It's all good.

I don't even use the term Athiest unless i have to.
Most people are 99% Atheist anyway (you dont believe in all the Gods of religions other than your own... so you are an Atheist to them!)
the 1% left over is your choice of God.
Really Atheists just take that one step further.

But when it comes down to it, I dont really care a great deal about what people believe AS LONG as it isn't trying to suppress intelligence or scientific thought.
So claims of ANY religion, or even non religios people who make silly claims (like the flat earth society), that contradict intelligent thought, science, or open minded investigation - deserve to be discredited and challenged.

If i see someone trying to spread disinformation, or blatant nonsense, it angers me. As someone who has spent a lot of his life looking for answers in the world... I've wasted a LOT of time chasing rainbows, and investigating nonsense... because people keep spreading this stuff out there!
It's my duty to other "younger versions of me" out there... to try and help stop them falling into the same nonsense-traps i fell into.
You can waste such a HUGE amount of time investigating nonsense like Astral Travelling... only to eventually conclude its nonsense. Then you realise you could have invested that time in something truely AWESOME such as astrophysics or the study of neurochemistry and the mind.

Life is short... nonsense wastes time... religion, superstition and new-ageism are nonsense... someone has to stand up to this stuff!

So why am I an Atheist?
because I care about the pursuit of knowledge, and think that those younger than me deserve to not be led astray wasting there time chasing pipe-dreams. I just wish i'd realised myself sooner before wasting loads of my life studying things like the Tarot, astral travelling, mysticism etc.

[suttsman]

ETIQUETTE

et⋅i⋅quette   /ˈɛtɪkɪt, -ˌkɛt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [et-i-kit, -ket] Show IPA
–noun 1. conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.
2. a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.
3. the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other: medical etiquette.

YOU ARE SO 2000andLATE

SINCE YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TELLIN SOMEONE WHAT TO DO...TRY SOMETHIN NEW
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/64/Squirrelwhat.jpg

[DreamQueen]

But when it comes down to it, I dont really care a great deal about what people believe AS LONG as it isn't trying to suppress intelligence or scientific thought.
So claims of ANY religion, or even non religios people who make silly claims (like the flat earth society), that contradict intelligent thought, science, or open minded investigation - deserve to be discredited and challenged.

If i see someone trying to spread disinformation, or blatant nonsense, it angers me. As someone who has spent a lot of his life looking for answers in the world... I've wasted a LOT of time chasing rainbows, and investigating nonsense... because people keep spreading this stuff out there!
It's my duty to other "younger versions of me" out there... to try and help stop them falling into the same nonsense-traps i fell into.
You can waste such a HUGE amount of time investigating nonsense like Astral Travelling... only to eventually conclude its nonsense. Then you realise you could have invested that time in something truely AWESOME such as astrophysics or the study of neurochemistry and the mind.

Life is short... nonsense wastes time... religion, superstition and new-ageism are nonsense... someone has to stand up to this stuff!

So why am I an Atheist?
because I care about the pursuit of knowledge, and think that those younger than me deserve to not be led astray wasting there time chasing pipe-dreams. I just wish i'd realised myself sooner before wasting loads of my life studying things like the Tarot, astral travelling, mysticism etc.


I couldn't agree more with this and I for one will never stop debunking the BS that is religion in order to protect future generations of children from being LIED TO the way I was.

[love2dream]

break free from the chains of society and expectations of others

[DreamQueen]

break free from the chains of society and expectations of others

Yeah I have now! But I shouldn't have to at all. The point is, it's all very well and dandy for religious people to believe in their mumbo jumbo but once they spout their BS to children as fact that's when it becomes CHILD ABUSE!

[love2dream]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/64/Squirrelwhat.jpg

No nuts?

[Vanota]

I think all of you should convert to Pastafarianism, obviously the one true faith.

link: www.venganza.org

[no-Name]

I think all of you should convert to Pastafarianism, obviously the one true faith.

link: www.venganza.org

A follower of the one and only true faith, I see.
Welcome, I have not had the chance to properly introduce myself. I am Tortellini562, registered member of the FSM clergy, and a pastor of all that is saucey.
Please feel welcome to stay as long as you please. you are under our protection now.

[Vanota]

A follower of the one and only true faith, I see.
Welcome, I have not had the chance to properly introduce myself. I am Tortellini562, registered member of the FSM clergy, and a pastor of all that is saucey.
Please feel welcome to stay as long as you please. you are under our protection now.

:shock:


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


Thank you, His Oodliness, for showing me this most esteemed and reverent of your humble servants. Your noodly appendage has touched me today.

Ramen.