Free Internet Will Soon Be DEAD

[tommo]

Okay so I don't know if it's true, maybe some of you do or can find out. But apparently a bunch of massive ISP's are planning to turn the internet basically into Cable T.V, pay for sites you want but some mainstream sites are free. So all the little sites you like to visit won't get any money because not enough people view them. This means they will just die because there's no point having them if no one views it.
Check it out, tell me what you think. I think it's a very real possibility, but not sure yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Ns&feature=related

[Admiral41]

Lol. I doubt that will happen..

[Abra]

It'll never happen~

[Black_Eagle]

Not those guys again.... It's hype.

If something like this does happen, you bet your ass I'll be buying Guy Fawkes masks by the hundreds for myself and anybody who wants to make the internet RL.

[suttsman]

That'll happen as soon as USA turns communist.

[Lord Bennington]

Not those guys again.... It's hype.

If something like this does happen, you bet your ass I'll be buying Guy Fawkes masks by the hundreds for myself and anybody who wants to make the internet RL.
I'll help you blow up buildings if you need any assistance.

[Lëzen]

That'll happen as soon as USA turns communist.
More like when Scientology becomes the dominant religion.

[Black_Eagle]

More like when Scientology becomes the dominant religion.

No.... NOOOOOOO!!

[Man of Steel]

Pretty sure I've heard about this before, and it was limited to Australia. I highly doubt it will ever make it to implementation.

[tommo]

No. Australia has an internet filter, completely different.
Yeh I doubt it too, but I wouldn't put it past the money hungry corporate dickwads to do something like this.
I'm with you making the internet RL. That includes CS games and forum flaming. The forums will be parliament meetings.

[Ynot]

I'm going to come off sounding like an arrogant jerk,
but anyhow

Ordinary people (stupid people) should not get involved in technical discussions

How many people can honestly say "I know what net neutrality is. I also know the pros and cons of a totally neutral network vs. the pros and cons of a QoS network" ?

A totally neutral network would be shit
I don't want my VoIP call to be dropped because the guy down the road is eating all the bandwidth by streaming an HD film

Likewise, a network based on overly draconian QoS would also be shit
I have paid for my bandwidth, I want to use this an any way I see fit, as long as I'm not degrading the service for others

There's a balance that needs to be struck

It annoys the hell out of me when ignorant people get all pissy over some deeply technical issue they have no understanding of

If I was in charge of an ISP
I would have 4 tiers of service

Tier 1 - Realtime

Communications that happen in realtime need top priority
Spikes in latency must be avoided at all costs

Worst case scenario, drop some packets
Packet lose is not a big issue, but latency must be kept low

Examples:
- VoIP
- Location awareness (GPS, etc.)

Tier 2 - Streaming

Communications that happen in semi-realtime (Ie. streaming content)
Packet lose must be prevented, however latency must be kept within reasonable limits

Examples:
- Online streaming video / audio (Netflix, youtube, etc.)

Tier 3 - General use

General use cases
The bulk of internet traffic would fall into this category

Packet lose must be avoided at all costs, but latency is not a big issue

Tier 4 - Bulk, Non-interactive

Bandwidth heavy comms that happen in the background without user interaction

Examples:
- p2p file transfers

[Ynot]

As for the video in the first post....
What a pile of crap

The internet is an international network of networks
There is no conspiracy to overthrow it
The video is just scaremongering

The internet today is basically a necessity, like electricity and water
Without it, businesses suffer vs. their competition
Without it, the eduction of school kids suffer vs. their peers

What I can see happening, is the introduction of a low-cost, limited service of "essential" resources

There is a big push in the UK right now to get essential internet services to everyone in the country

You buy a house, and it comes with an internet service
this service can access essential resources (news, research info, basic web access, etc. etc.)
It will not allow p2p or other "non-essential" services

If you want total access, then you can subscribe to an ISP and pay a monthly charge, as you do today

[Lord Bennington]

No-one is going to argue Ynot. I don't even want to know the technical side of the issue after reading that. But, well played, Ynot.

[Catbus]

I wouldn't trust anything coming from Athenewins, but that's just me.





And at Ynot. Damn, just damn.

[guerilla]

Lol. I doubt that will happen..

it already is happening, gosh people are so naive.

Its called internet two, it will kill the internet as we know it.

Look up communist china's internet to take a glimpse of the future of global internet.

[suttsman]

it already is happening, gosh people are so naive.

Its called internet two, it will kill the internet as we know it.

Look up communist china's internet to take a glimpse of the future of global internet.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/cc/Its_a_conspiracy.jpg

[Kiza]

Goddammit, suttsman, you just can't see it, you fool!

WHY ARE YOU SO NAIVE?

[Techno]

Watching the first two minutes, I call bullshit.

[guerilla]

I don't care what you guys 'call' or say, reguardless of what you or I believe the internet will be replaced and turned into a glorified cable tv, and there is nothing you or I can say that will change that fact.

The reason this is being done is for a few obvious reasons.

Censorship of real information, and they can increase costs and make more profits (by ;they; I mean broadband companies)

If you don't believe it, thats okay because eventually you will believe it when it happens.

Do the research and you will find out the hard way, companies such as comcast and roadrunner will let their old servers and broadband lines dry up and die while they build a new network for internet 2 which will be a lame internet.

I don't have any worries though, because as I speak people are already planning for an underground 'illegal' internet such as the one we enjoy and take for granted.

[Kiza]

Oh, thanks, guerilla, I must have forgotten you were right.

[guerilla]

Don't look at me, research it for your lazy selves. (which you probably won't as I can see you like to stay in the dark like the rest of the sheeple)

[ClouD]

sheeple

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6391/moutons.jpg

Sorry, could not resist.

[Black_Eagle]

Millions upon millions use and love the internet in its present form and will probably be more pissed off about it's negative metamorphosis than they were about television. Seriously, you cannot compare television and the internet. The two mediums are way too different to compare.

Guerilla, you bet your ass I'll be pissed when they take my interwebz away, but you're just being paranoid. The internet has become too big and too widespread to just be taken away with the snap of some corporation's fingers.

[Techno]

JAKE RESIZE PLZ

The fear (rational or not) of losing the internet entirely to corporations is not going to be a good enough excuse to go around stopping anybody who makes money through the internet from doing their business. That's like saying we should go communist in the face of potential "Internet Rockafellers".

[mysterious dreamer]

Guerilla, anyone ever told you you're a conspiracy theorist? This is the second conspiracy theory I read from you today (first one being swine flu). There aren't any hidden truths, at least not as many as people like you would like to believe, it's just overactive imagination of some people that gullible people like you take for granted.

[Kiza]

What a ridiculous idea, mysteriousdreamer.

[tommo]

Guerilla, anyone ever told you you're a conspiracy theorist? This is the second conspiracy theory I read from you today (first one being swine flu). There aren't any hidden truths, at least not as many as people like you would like to believe, it's just overactive imagination of some people that gullible people like you take for granted.

LOL I had a conspiracy theory about Swine flu too. I'm thinking Pharma let this flu spread, coz it was in Mexico for 2 months, so they could sell their drugs and ge a shitload of money. Gonna go see Guerillas one now!

Ynot - "Without it, businesses suffer vs. their competition
Without it, the eduction of school kids suffer vs. their peers"
Companies don't care about other companies. That's the purpose of their various "deals" and what not. And they certainly do not care about the future, past their retirment.