Time travel loop

[InvisibleMan]

Lets say it is 1:00 pm on june 1st.
Your in your basement polishing your time macine. You finish at 1:01 pm.
Now you hope in the machine and goto june 1st at 1:00 pm, the time you where polishing your machine.

Now your back in time looking at yourself polishing the machine. As you keep watchine your past self, you see him go in the machine back to june 1st at 1:00 pm.

Would a infinate amount of you pop up? What do yo think would happen.
This is a reason why I think time travel is bad.

[Michael]

This is why I think time travel is impossible. Time isnt a substance, you can't do anything with it.

[InvisibleMan]

Well enistien proved that speed slows time. Mabey the speed or light could tevse it?

[Michael]

he didn't prove that. i dont think speed actually slows time. the time doesnt change. obviously the faster you go, the less amount of time it takes to get somewhere. If you were to travel faster than the speed of light it would probably just look as if you were at two places at once, but you really aren't, and you didn't travel through time.

[Photolysis]

Would a infinate amount of you pop up? What do yo think would happen.

Your slightly younger self would disappear at the point when you went back in time. So no, an infinite amount of you would not pop up.

[Xei]

I don't see how this would create an infinite number of people. Your timeline just gets delayed by a minute.

There are other more obvious paradoxes though, such as what would happen if when you went back you destroyed the time machine before you could go back.
he didn't prove that. i dont think speed actually slows time. the time doesnt change. obviously the faster you go, the less amount of time it takes to get somewhere. If you were to travel faster than the speed of light it would probably just look as if you were at two places at once, but you really aren't, and you didn't travel through time.
No, he did prove it. It is a consequence of Special Relativity, and has been experimentally confirmed.

[InvisibleMan]

But if you went back to kill yourself then you would not have entered the machine to begin with, therefor, not being able to kill yourself.

[Licity]

But if you went back to kill yourself then you would not have entered the machine to begin with, therefor, not being able to kill yourself.

Which is why time travel should not be possible, unless there is a clean way to resolve the paradox. One theory for solving that is a divergent universe branching off when you travel that enables you to destroy the machine while still going back to begin with.

[InvisibleMan]

Alternate realities. The thought scares me.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Alternate timeline/reality is my guess.

Other than that I think time travel is impossible.

[The Cusp]

You've got to watch the movie "Primer". It's about this exactly.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3909854615539675694&ei=VLFQSuCPM4fgrQKK_u3xDg&q=primer+the+movie&hl=en

[khh]

This is why I think time travel is impossible. Time isnt a substance, you can't do anything with it.
Time travel isn't impossible, it's just that you can only travel in one direction :p (semantics, I know)

Your slightly younger self would disappear at the point when you went back in time. So no, an infinite amount of you would not pop up.
Precicely.
At 0.59 there would be 1 you, the one who intended to polish the machine
At 1.00 there would be 2 yous, one polishing the machine and one watching
At 1.01 there would be 2 yous, the yonger preparing to go back in time and the older watching
At 1.02 there would be 1 you, the younger having traveled back in time, and the older doing whatever

However, you could fill up the 1.00 - 1.01 moment more if you went back to 1.00 again at 1.02, 1.03 etc, or if you at 1.01 joined the you(s) traveling back. But Sooner or later you would die, so there can be no infinate amount.

[The Invisible Man]

Maybe if you traveled to your registration on this site, you could have an infinite amount of people to prevent you from ripping off my screenname.

jk, it's cool to have a brother in stealth.

[Phrisco]

Something like this?

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1916431

[Vampyre]

Time travel may not be possible, but it actually is plausible to look back into the past.

To explain how, consider this: it takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to Earth. That means, when you look at the Sun, you aren't seeing it in present time, you see how the Sun was 8 minutes ago.

Therefore, if someone was at the Sun (or equivalent distance) and had a way to look down at Earth, they'd see it, 8 minutes previous.

So theoretically, we could build a space station with an extremely powerful scope on it. Placing it 12 951 034 185 km away from earth (the distance light will travel in 12 hours) and have it relay what it observes back to earth at the speed of light.

Then, operators on Earth could use it to look at anything that happened the day before. Because it takes so long for the light and information to travel, they could watch exactly what happened 24 hours previous to the current time on Earth.

If you're interested, I'd recommend watching Brian Cox's video: "What Time Is It?" You can find it in parts on Youtube.

[InvisibleMan]

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I didnt realize there already was one on here, my bad.

[Xei]

Time travel may not be possible, but it actually is plausible to look back into the past.

To explain how, consider this: it takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to Earth. That means, when you look at the Sun, you aren't seeing it in present time, you see how the Sun was 8 minutes ago.

Therefore, if someone was at the Sun (or equivalent distance) and had a way to look down at Earth, they'd see it, 8 minutes previous.

So theoretically, we could build a space station with an extremely powerful scope on it. Placing it 12 951 034 185 km away from earth (the distance light will travel in 12 hours) and have it relay what it observes back to earth at the speed of light.

Then, operators on Earth could use it to look at anything that happened the day before. Because it takes so long for the light and information to travel, they could watch exactly what happened 24 hours previous to the current time on Earth.

If you're interested, I'd recommend watching Brian Cox's video: "What Time Is It?" You can find it in parts on Youtube.
Not to put a damper on things, but... so?

We can already look into the past via video recorders, etc.

If we had a telescope far out in space it would be useless for looking into the past, because for every event we asked to see, the light from Earth would already have passed the telescope before the request signal from Earth.

[Vampyre]

Not to put a damper on things, but... so?

We can already look into the past via video recorders, etc.

If we had a telescope far out in space it would be useless for looking into the past, because for every event we asked to see, the light from Earth would already have passed the telescope before the request signal from Earth.

The idea would be to create something similar to what you see in the movie Deja Vu. I'm aware that it'd take too long for the signal to get to the station.
It's the theory that makes it interesting, not it's current practicality

[Xei]

It's completely impossible unfortunately. It would violate special relativity if a signal from the past could somehow travel faster.

Don't think I've seen Deja Vu I'm afraid.

[Black_Eagle]

I do not believe paradoxes in time travel can occur.Say you've got a time machine and a chair. If you used a time machine to go back in time with the intention of destroying that chair when the chair was not destroyed in your reality, it simply wouldn't happen for some reason or other. Because if you destroyed that chair, it would have already been destroyed by you before you traveled back in time.

Unless each and every moment in time actually exists as it's own universe and every time you travel forward or back, you were actually traveling to another universe, alternate realities would not be a possibility. Creating an alternate reality would essentially be creating a whole other universe and all the matter that makes it up.

[guitarboy]

It's all in theory.
What if a time machine is invented that actually bends space and speeds you forward in time(Like moving really fast in the same spot.)
We're talking about going back in time, which I personally do not believe is possible or will be invented in the next several hundred years.
I think if you go back in time to before you found out you can time travel, you would see your future self and have a heart attack/go crazy/ kill them.

[Specialis Sapientia]

I have to add..

Time travel in the sense most people think about is.. impossible.. You know, the hollywood style.

You can't travel into the future because it hasn't happened yet! And neither can one travel into the past, though it is possible to travel into the past and future, but only as probabilities! Than means one can see the probable future, but not any actualized, in the same way one can visit the past as either actualized or unactualized, in other words, what happened and what didn't happen.

In quick summary, reality is not deterministic but only probabilistic in the sense of future and unactualized past, this is naturally one of the derives from free will. With free will the future can only exist as probabilites, as anything can happen.

[Xei]

No, you can travel into the future via going very fast or by being in close proximity to a very strong gravitational field. It's not disputed; and it's been observed experimentally in many forms.
We're talking about going back in time, which I personally do not believe is possible or will be invented in the next several hundred years.
So you think that either it is possible or it isn't possible?

Okay thanks.

Travelling into the past is possible in general relativity, but there would need to be a wormhole present (where the fabric of space time loops back on itself), and it's not certain if these are actually physically possible.

[Black_Eagle]

No, you can travel into the future via going very fast or by being in close proximity to a very strong gravitational field. It's not disputed; and it's been observed experimentally in many forms.


But that's not really travelling forward in time in the sense disappearing from one moment and poofing into a moment exactly 3,000 years later. It's really just speeding up time for the traveller and slowing you down for the observer.

[Xei]

It's really... exactly the same thing? You go in. Time whizzes by. You come out. It's 3,000 years later.

It's a time machine.

Isn't that completely the same as what happens in The Time Machine by H. G. Wells..?

You can travel into the future arbitrarily fast by the way.

[really]

No, you can travel into the future via going very fast or by being in close proximity to a very strong gravitational field. It's not disputed; and it's been observed experimentally in many forms.


References?


You can travel into the future arbitrarily fast by the way.

Explain how. Is not "the future" arbitrary already?