Building ClouD

[ClouD]

NO MATTER WHAT I EAT, THERE HAS BEEN NO WEIGHT GAIN, NOR VISUAL BODILY DEVELOPMENT.

What to do?
I need to know what to eat, how much, how to exercise, how long, etc.

I would like to be fitter, stronger, not so skinny. I have no idea how to go about this and I've tried a few things to no apparent avail.

Help?

[HyperNova]

Same man.. I've lost so much weight since last year and I can't seem to put on any!

Perhaps we both have cancer or something..

[Kiza]

I've got no advice, but I would like to put my hand up for "I look so skinny it is like I am a homeless crack addict". Advice on such things as these would be a great thing.

[Dizko]

I was there. Still am I suppose.

The only thing that works is weight lifting and pressups/crunches. Putting on muscle is the only way because I cannot put on fat no matter what I do.

I suppose its a blessing.

[Xox]

I like you the way you are. :<

[Bayside]

You could pick up some weightgainers, they're pretty good for putting on weight for people who can eat and eat and still never gain a pound I hear.... I want to try them, but I can't afford them right now.... Alternatively, eat large amounts of pastas/bread food, along with lots of protein and work out.

[sephiroth clock]

A couple things.

If you want to exercise to put on weight and gain muscle do the four core free weight exercises which are
Bench Press,
Incline,
Power Clean,
Squats

To get big muscles, do low reps and HIGH weight with these exercises.

Start with high reps and low weights and work up to that if you haven't lifted before so you don't injure yourself.

To put on weight eat lots of CARBS like pasta, rice, etc especially after working out.

Not everyone is built to make significant weight gains. I gained about 6-7 pounds total lifting weights for about two months.

This is another diet great for a denser more muscular healthy body, but that diet is too hardcore for most people. It is called the primal diet, created by Aajonus Vonderplanitz and involves eating about 1-3 pounds of raw meat daily, half a galllon of raw milk, sticks of raw butter and pints of cream and lots of raw honey and green vegetable juices. I was on this diet for three weeks, and I was eating about a stick of raw butter a day, slowly putting on weight and getting a lot lot stronger. The creatine in all of the raw meat helps a lot too. Creatine causes your muscle cells to fill up with water so they get big and poofy and take in more nutrients to grow. Creatine is the number one "big muscle" supplement but I DO NOT recommend taking it as an ISOLATED supplement. It has been known to cause a number of adverse effects and big muscles are not worth sacrificing your health.

[Bearsy]

This thread makes Elis sad :(



I wasn't ever able to lose weight until a few months ago. No matter how hard I tried, dieted, starved myself, worked out, etc. I literally lost my first pound about 4 months ago.

[Lëzen]

Makes me sad, too. My best friend wants nothing more than to build his muscles up to ridiculous levels because thinks he's so scrawny (although he has plenty of muscle mass that I won't have for a loooong time), so for me to hear someone with an already good body say that it's not good enough, it's like "STFU, asshole, it's a hundred times better than mine!"

Even sadder is that I can't motivate myself to exercise; when I do a simple set of crunches or other ab exercises, my abs hurt like shitting out a pound of pure habanero juice...and the pain doesn't go away for days. Thus, I don't wanna do it again and repeat the dreaded cycle.

[Black_Eagle]

How tall are you guys that can't build muscle?

[-Blakren-]

Dude, I'm just like you. I weigh 120, and I'm 5'9". One month I tried to gain some weight. It went well, but after I ate a bit less for 2 weeks, I lost it all. Sucks.

[sephiroth clock]

Makes me sad, too. My best friend wants nothing more than to build his muscles up to ridiculous levels because thinks he's so scrawny (although he has plenty of muscle mass that I won't have for a loooong time), so for me to hear someone with an already good body say that it's not good enough, it's like "STFU, asshole, it's a hundred times better than mine!"

Even sadder is that I can't motivate myself to exercise; when I do a simple set of crunches or other ab exercises, my abs hurt like shitting out a pound of pure habanero juice...and the pain doesn't go away for days. Thus, I don't wanna do it again and repeat the dreaded cycle.

So people should LOWER THEIR STANDARDS so you can feel better??

We are all blessed with different gifts and abilities. Some things come easier for certain people, and harder for others. Complaining ACHIEVES ZERO. Decide what YOU want and forget about what everyone else doing and achieve what YOU WANT TO. Your friend can be an inspiration to you or something negative to you.

We live in the information age. Work smarter and not harder. Found out the most effective ways to achieve the health goals you want to. USE THE INTERNET!!

[CanceledCzech]

Oh, man, I had the same problem. I used to weigh 120 pounds (5'8"), and I couldn't gain a pound. Then I joined this workout program and I gained 15 pounds in three months.

Christ, I sound like an infomercial. Basically, all this thing has me doing is working out every day, eating fish or chicken for breakfast lunch and dinner, and eating a ton of egg-whites (no yolks: that's really important. Eat all those yokes and you can say 'hello' to the hospital)

The important thing to remember is consistency. And ClouD, I think the only way you will bulk up is if you exercise and eat well.

[Zhaylin]

I used to be like that. Then I hit 30 years old and my metabolism changed. Now I have to watch what I eat or I'll gain weight. Of course, I'm a lot less active now-a-days too. I've gained 30 pounds in about 8 years. But I was under weight to begin with and now I'm at my "norm" for my height.

When I was a kid I was TINY. People bullied me and picked on me about my size. In the 8th grade I weighed 85 pounds.
All of my relatives are obese so I was sickly to them and they tried everything to fatten me up lol. What worked the best was peanut butter and banana sandwiches before bed.

Now I wish I was still super skinny lol.

[Lëzen]

So people should LOWER THEIR STANDARDS so you can feel better??
Uh...I said that where, Sephy? Can you show me exactly where in my post I said that? Because, you know, it sure would help to clear up my confusion. :wtf:

EDIT: Then again, I never could trust any member with the name "Sephiroth" in their user name to come up with a half-way intelligent argument that didn't involve resorting to use of the Caps Lock every other world.

[Invader]

I'll throw in my two pesos for you ClouD. When I started out as a noodle
eight years ago, I decided it was time for a change, and I began with the
core (abs, the abs). I did situps every day until I felt like I was close to
eating my lunch backwards (vomiting), which was close to muscle failure, but
not enough to make me too sore to do it the day after. I was able to do
more and more as time passed. I got a six pack (but I don't drink, see) and
an eight pack afterwards. Those little muscles got to be fun when someone
(girls in my case) would playfully slap you in the stomach and run into a brick
wall. One of these people intended to hurt me that way and ended up
hurting themselves, so it was all good in the end.

After the core came the upper body for me, which was pullups (which I
sucked terribadly at) and different kinds of pushups. My first pullup was one
that I required assistance with. Once I was able to do one, I could do two,
and three, and so on until I could do wide armed ones and pole climbs and
building climbs and everything fun that you can do that involves climbing. But
in order to do that, I had to do pullups until my arms got sore. I would wait a
few hours and do some more until they felt sore again. If they felt sore the
next day, I'd allow them some resting time, and continue when they were
primed and ready to rock all over again. Wide pullups will work your wings the
most of all, as will climbing poles. You get wider up top. Wide pushups, on
the other hand, will broaden your chest, much like bench pressing does. Just
do them until they make your arms feel weaker and more noodly than they
did originally. Then do some more. Allow them to rest and regain strengh
days afterwards, rinse, repeat, rinse repeat, rinse, and so forth.

Years after that, although I'd been rollerblading and biking, I still had
relatively week legs. I pulled the seat off of my bike and made a habit of
riding up longer and longer hills, and then rode 13 miles one way out of the
valley where I live to the beach and back. Then I'd work on doing squats on
one leg, with the ability to sit my butt onto one heal with the other leg off
the floor, and raise myself again, one leg only, until I could do ten in a row
with each leg.

The moral of the story is to do things that are hard for your muscles to do,
so that after doing them enough your muscles get used to it, after which
you can move onto harder things to repeat the process.

You have control over your body, so long as you will it.
(That means: You can do this, durr)

Go forth and.. mold yourself. If you wish.

[Bizarre Jester]

I was skinny myself for a while. What you have to do is write down what you eat and how many calories you are taking in the first day. On the second day make sure you eat 500 more calories then you normally do. The hardest part is eating healthy calories. As in don't eat all day at McDonalds. To gain muscle you have to do resistance training like lifting weights or using the machines at your gym.

[CanceledCzech]

I was skinny myself for a while. What you have to do is write down what you eat and how many calories you are taking in the first day. On the second day make sure you eat 500 more calories then you normally do. The hardest part is eating healthy calories. As in don't eat all day at McDonalds. To gain muscle you have to do resistance training like lifting weights or using the machines at your gym.

Calories are bullshit, but this is pretty sound advice regardless. Eat protein and do resistance training.

Also, egg whites. I cannot stress that enough. Oh yeah! Getting enough sleep, too. That's when muscle is built.

[grasshoppa]

Building cloud...Well, I suggust hovering over a lake or ocean, whatever is most convinent. Subsequently you will absorb the moisture and get a little buffer. Be sure not to over do it or else you will lose everything!

[Tyler]

Surely it's not that bad ClouD.
No muscle at all?

[C911]

Jake,

PM me, ill help you. I do this stuff for people for a living lol.

[baye]

hey all,
my first post here. I was looking for info on creatine and lucid dreaming because I've been having fewer lucid dreams lately and I found your post about trying to gain weight/muscle.

guys, I had this same problem for SO long. Even working out didn't help. Then I learned about body types - look up ectomorph body type. It is almost def why some of you have trouble gaining weight. we have to eat and exercise completely differently than most people!

I was 6'4 and only like 160 - I changed the way I ate and worked out (btw I dont eat any meat except fish here and there, so it's possible even if you are a vegetarian or half-assed veg like me ; >). I am now 194 lbs of muscle and I feel great.

I started on a big self-improvement kick about 2 years ago and weight lifting and lucid dreaming were two of the many things I started practicing. A friend gave me a book by this guy Anthony Ellis which is purely about building mass for skinny people. He gave it to me because he couldn't keep up with the plan, but I'm telling you guys it's not that hard at all. He's got a site now:

http://www.musclebuildingcoach.com/public/123.cfm

it looks kinda cheesy but trust me get this pdf. I swear I am not in cohoots with him. His plan is spot on (sites solid sports medicine research in his book). Just trying to help out fellow lucid dreamers. Even if you don't follow it exactly but try as hard as you can to you will see results. Basics: eat like a motherf*cker and only work out 3 times a week. Ectomorphs need more rest to build muscle than other body types. Oh and compound exercises using free weights. A must.

Good luck!

Feel free to drop me an IM with questions.

Cheers,
Mike