N0.1 RPG EXCLUDING FINAL FANTASY

[Damascus]

well, no arguments, final fantasy is the best RPG series.

so whats say we exclude the final fantasy and zelda series and ask this.

what is the best RPG ever?

as i said, zelda games and final fantasy games are excluded.

i would say fable.

[Boof]

though decision... fable is really good and morrowind is really good too. and lets not forget diablo... but that might not count as a rpg. anyway its between these three.

[Retardlx]

Crono triger on snes 100% classic

the final fantasy series is definatly the best ff7 was the best ever :)

[Sesquipedalian Dreams]

both for nintendo and genesis...

Dragon Warrior series

Phantasy Star series

[Kaniaz]

I'll settle for a good helping of "RPGs suck", please.

[Solid Snake]

The Legend of Dragoon, lol

[Joseph_Stalin]

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I'll settle for a good helping of \"RPGs suck\", please.

And, let me geuss, a side-order of "Crappy Sports Games"?

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Joseph_Stalin)</div><!--QuoteBegin-Kaniaz
I'll settle for a good helping of \"RPGs suck\", please.

And, let me geuss, a side-order of \"Crappy Sports Games\"?[/b]

Sports games are certainly the worst genre. I mean...well..you know, they just suck.

[Stalker]

Enjoying Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines right now, and really liked Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. Have to say though that Morrowind with expansions is my absolute favourite. Have tried both Diablo 2 and some version of Final Fantasy. Diablo was just generally boring after a very short while with all the hack and slash and Final Fantasy...well, the cut-scenes where good but the game itself was just slow and extremely boring/bad.
All that IMHO of course.

[Magicawe]

The Zelda games are not RPGs at all.

[Joseph_Stalin]

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div>Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin@
<!--QuoteBegin-Kaniaz
I'll settle for a good helping of \"RPGs suck\", please.

And, let me geuss, a side-order of \"Crappy Sports Games\"?

Sports games are certainly the worst genre. I mean...well..you know, they just suck.[/b]

AKA, You've played one EA sports game, you've played 'em all. I don't even see why people bother getting the new version every year... :shakehead2:

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Originally posted by Magicawe
The Zelda games are not RPGs at all.

What Zelda games have you been playing? :? Of course they're RPGs! Always have been!

[Umbrasquall]

Well they are more of an adventure-RPG style as opposed to core EXP/level/magic gaining RPGs with separate overworld and battle systems.

I'd say still Legend of the Heaven Sword! Woot woot!

[nightowl]

1. The Grandia series(most KICKASS battle system)

2. Kingdom hearts(playing that game made me go down memory lane :))

3. meh...maybe the Xenosaga series...

i couldnt really think of much

[Damascus]

RPG stands for role-playing-game. nowhere does it say that you have to have a RTB or ATB battle system. zelda was more free-roam but still an RPG.

The .hack// series was quite nice, but got very boring very fast.

and xenosaga was never released in europe. oh well.

[Stalker]

Originally posted by Damascus
RPG stands for role-playing-game. nowhere does it say that you have to have a RTB or ATB battle system.
Usually means a bit more than that though, otherwise you could say that HL is an RPG because you are playing the role of Gordon after all.

[Joseph_Stalin]

Technically it is a role-playing game. But not something you'd put in say, Wikipedia, for people to learn about. And obviously there are certain traits to a game that rule out less fitting qualities in place of more fitting ones. And there's always marketing. "Fable" was labeled as Action if I'm not mistaken... :shakehead2:

[Damascus]

you have to use common sense to determine whether its an RPG or not, theres not really any direct line that dictates whether it is or isnt.

like, i could say HL is a FPS, i can sa that because you are in firs person and shooting. but with games like fable, its less obvious.

IMO, fable was an RPG. along the lines of zelda.

[Sonicstorm]

IMO the baldurs gate series definatly are way up there with the FF series, icewind dale was pretty good to.
And not to forget, Breath of Fire, awesome.